Russia Preparing To Transfer Advanced Air Defense System--s300--To Syria

Do you remember the words of Putin? "We are not worried about the Assad regime, we worry about what will happen next"

And you now this from... Aahhhh, Haaretz, maybe?

Why (and how) Iran should transfer Syrian weapons from Syrian storage to Hezbollah,

And you now this from... Aahhhh, Haaretz, maybe?

Why (and how) Iran should transfer Syrian weapons from Syrian storage to Hezbollah, if Iran can deliver Fatehs simply by sea?

"a Russian deal is imminent to sell advanced ground-to-air missile systems to Syria"

well duh... how else are they going to know their stuff sucks? -- Besides putting it in theater to be owned...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

So what? Putin (and Lavrov) both said many times, Syria's future, will remain Assad in power or not, should be decided by Syrian people only. What wrong with this?

Nothing wrong! I'm just saying that Putin is on a short leash of Israel. And no supply S-300 or "Iskander" to Syria will not. This is misinformation. If Putin really wanted to do something, our troops would have been in Tartus now.

Syria already got many "things", ie. "Bastions" (SSC-5), SA-11's, loads of modern personal arms/weapons etc.

On these "bastions" Al-Qaeda militants already put out cigarette butts. Yobanyye patrioty... kak vy zayebyli... skazhite blyad' uzhe nakonets pravdu! Asad Putinu nuzhen byl do tekh por, poka on prodaval yemu oruzhiye. Biznes na krovi. A potom kak melkoy shavke yemu skazali "brys'!" i yemu tol'ko ostayotsya gavkat' ot bessiliya.

unlike you i don't need information spoon-fed to me and digested by propaganda trash like haaretz, russia today or press.tv

obviously, by sea is more risky. especially in the wake of delicate nuclear talks with EU where iran doesn't need anymore potential bad publicity or scrutiny.

whereas most weapons are known to come to lebanon through the border with syria. that was true in 2006 and it was even more extensive in recent years.

chances are, putin told assad to not make any provocations with israel. but it's pretty much known that because iran and hezbollah have propped assad's regime, their expect assad to reciprocate, which presumably includes weapons to hezbollah and having iranian command bunkers in syria to keep eye on israel.

it's quite possible assad is no longer in control of every facet of military, he has too much trouble on his hands from the rebels for 2 years now. which means that iranian al-quds, revolutionary guards and hezbollah can arrange a weapons transfer under assad's nose.

but the problem here is that Israel will not permit that, regardless whether assad is at fault or not. israel doesn't need to kill assad even though it can easily fly over damascus as it's done quite a few times recently and in 2006.

all israel needed was to stop whatever weapons they deemed as crossing their red-line, considering that hezbollah is religiously motivated to destroy the jewish state and un resolution 1701 expressly prohibits transfer of certain heavier weaponry to the terror group, all while permitting arial and sea action if such transfer is provably occuring.

while none of us know with anything close to 100% certainty, it's much more plausible that it was iran and hezbollah that broke putin's trust than netanyahu who is a very shrewd pragmatic operator that knows that it's much more preferrable to keep assad in power than al-nusra.

Ok, I see, just another hysterics here.

Wow! Really? You, obviously, on Syrian ground right now and did see those fatehs with your own eyes?! Wow, just wow!


Nonsense. Ordinary transport ship escorted by single Iranian corvette (or just Iranian Navy transport vessel) would be thousands times safer, than "voyage" through war-zone. Know why?


Who said that? Debka?


Yes. Very likely.


So what? They have mutual defence agreement, how this proves weapons delivery? You trying to pass some speculations as evdences again.


Speculations again.


The problem here Israel attacked Syria. Neither Hezbollah or alleged delivery on Lebanese soil, nor Iran.


Who granted Israel with right to draw some stupid "red lines" and to attack Third party's territory, property, military personnel and, highly likely, civilians? Who?


Putin didn't negotiated neither with Hezbollah nor Iran. He negotiated with Bibi.

more proud ignorance.

you apparently have no idea how hezbollah was being supplied and re-supplied and assad's role in all of this. without such basic knowledge available in open sources, it's impossible to have any kind of even semi-serious conversation with you. you need minimal understanding of the subject matter, dude. simple as that.

haha, the mighty iranian stealth corvette, you are not using logic whatsoever, must not remember Victoria and why iran felt the need to register it under african flag or whatever,,,,, afterall, it could have just sent a scary corvette to accompany it, hahaha!

as for that cute, mock-self-righteous "who gave ___ the right" hysterics,,,,, spare me. who gave the combined arab armies the right to try to over-run a newly created, barely armed, vastly outnumered jewish state in 48 in order to throw them into the sea? 67? 73? and countless other attacks of over and covert varities, sponsoring all kidns of terror against jewish civilians, which is a war crime in itself technically,,,,,,,????? arab-muslims like almost all other cultures throughout history did as they pleased, without asking anybody about their feelings or interests.

with great support and incitement from your own soviet union, might i add.

wake up, little hypocrite, this isn't hermitage or louvre; this is middle east, and the countries in question are all technically still at war with israel.

seeing as 1701 has been an unforced joke from the start and also given the fact that it actually *does* permit force to be used by air or by sea if hezbollah acts in violation.,,,,,,,cry me a river.

also go cry a river over Grozny civilians who were carpet bombed and slaughtered by 10,000 by your ever righteous leaders.

to answer your question, israel is the one who gave itself the right to set red-lines when it comes to its survival and existential interests. you're free to not like it. putin is free to not like it, even, although i think deep down he actually respects the little israel for finally standing up for itself.

"Pilot to control tower - we are passing into Lebanon airspace en route to Syria on another one of our routine smash and grab strikes... hold on picking up something on radar.... STATIC"

OH SNAP PUTIN DONE WARNED YA!!!!!!!!

one more time, just to give all peeps whining about how assad is such a big victim some the idea of how extremely well-defended Damascus is even without s-300

[link to ipic.su]

i think putting s-300 in syria will not only be costly to russia because syria is in no position to pay their debt or the massive soviet union debt that russia was forced to forgive

it's also a risk because it's quite possible if israel can beat all these new Buks, Tors, pantsyrs plus older stuff with new russian upgrades like radars, software,,,,, then it's possible that an older export version of s-300 may likewise fall victim to IAF. especially if syrians make mistakes in operating it as arabs sometimes had done in the past

why would russia risk the entire reputation of its s-300 program? why would it essentially reward iran and hezbollah for clearly defying russia's national interests and expressed wishes, both in major ways such as aggressively pursing nuke enrichment, trying to transfer weapons to hezbollah,,,,, as well as in minor ways such as ahmadinejad and irgc commanders repeatedly calling for israel's destruction, which sergei lavrov even had to give them a stern lecture over?

even more startingly, knowing how sensitive this region is and how delicate the international relations are with the west, heading into winter olypics in 2014, WTO admittance, strategic arms reduction treaty, the missile defense in europe and so on,,,,,,, just as Putin has more friendly faces leading the US in obama and john kerry versus george bush or dick cheney,,,,,, why would putin geopardize all that by pushing the s-300 issue in such an open blatant way?

when in fact all it takes is for assad's people accidentally shoot down israeli or european passenger airliner like someone almost shot down russian air-bus last week,,,, and a real fucking war breaks out in the region that even Putin may not be able to prevent.

it just makes no sense. it's one thing to not be happy with israel, it's one thing to make public statements condemning israel and trying to leverage this situation in Assad's favor [which may be one of the reason netanyahu ordered this operation, actually to help assad in the long-run, believe it or not]

yes, it makes nice speculation fodder for the fan boyz on the nets, but in reality s-300 has all kinds of tertiary risks and headaches associated with it.

Does anyone still laugh when saying 'Putin'? I'm 33 and I admit, any sort of fart humor, intentional or not, makes me laugh.......HA PUTIN......

:obamafartsniffer:

you mean like the turkey shoot in Bekaa valley in 82 when israel took out 19 soviet SAM batteries and shot down 85 Mig's in less than 2 days without losing a single IAF plane? static like that?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


or maybe 2003 when it allegedly waltzed in uninvited and bombed the shit out of hamas and islamic jihad training camps that ever so "peaceful" and "secular" bashar Assad welcomed with open arms so that they could terrorize jewish civilians in israel (a war crime, by the way)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

or maybe you're referring to IAF buzzing Assad's palace in 2006 that apparently caused bashar to almost swallow both his tie and his mustache like saakashvilli. almost ;)

perhaps this is the static you're smugly referring to

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and then naturally the 3 alleged raids near damascus in 2013.

but of course, this wasn't a fair fight. afterall, Assad only had some 600 different anti-aicraft systems in one of the most sam saturated places on earth, at the time. wait until he gets even more buks, even more tors and pantsyrs, he'll really show the zionists Wrath of the Alawite 2: electric boogalou!

I don't need your "basic knowledge", I have Israeli claims in American press:
"Israeli Navy Seizes Weapons Believed to Be for Hezbollah" [link to online.wsj.com]
As you may see Israel is "sure" that weapons being delivered by sea, Israel "believes" in something, accuses someone, captured cargo ship in international waters, but still unable to provide evidences on Syria's implication.
And again, even if those weapons were delivered through Syria back in, say, 2006, this don't prove current alleged delivery and even the existence of the those missiles.


You really don't understand that unprovoked attack on naval vessel or any attempt to seize her is the same as attack on the country? Regardless of vessel size.


Bla-bla-bla. Those old wars were handled by UN and were recognized as aggressions decades ago. But you trying to excuse the very same things done by Israel today as her "right", yes?



You may see hypocrite in the mirror. Or can you answer the question, who has given the right to Israel to attack sovereign countries based on some "suspicions"? Or you just brainwashed with Bush's doctrine to backbone and unable to understand the very basic thing, your lovely "preventive strikes" are illegal and are acts of aggression.


Snivel. Why Israel didn't attacked Hezbollah instead of Syria? Are you able to explain?


Grozny isn't your fucking business. You may travel to Boston and tell some fairy tales about "poor chechen freedom fighters" there. You, obviously, know nothing about this except Western propaganda.



O! great, you answered! Well, than it's Russia's right "to set red-lines when it comes to its survival and existential interests" Got it? Russia will decide, what should be given to her allies and how to deal with cheaters. :) And "you're free to not like it" as well, of course. Nothing personal.

Tell me it's not true. Russia engaging in capitalism, how unAmerican

haha, spare us that phony righteous pathos: so much vodka-soaked demagoguery, middle school grade sophistry; totally lacking in even basic knowledge of the subject matter, not to mention arguing in bad faith.

dood, do you think this is 'avanturist.ru' or some other potzreot infirmary where you can cry in unison about "zhido-pindoskiye" conspiracies against russia's precious fluids??? lol

your rhetorical desperation and BS can be smelled through the screen. russia's survival is at sake? in Syria that is 1000's of miles away from motherland? uh-huh, are you always such easily entrapped little liar?

guess what, captain yagorzhusya, for israel it literally is a matter of survival, whereas for russia it's futile attempt to play old-school imperial games that even soviet union couldn't pull off in the end.

what does that mean? it means that if russia's hubris about sending weaponry to whoever they want, ends up even inadvertenly leading to a horrific WW3 type of a situation,,,,, do you think Israel doesn't have a few EMP-hardened ICBM silos and nuke-tipped popeye turbo SLCM to take out moscow, st.peterburg, caspian oil facilities and all the other things you hold near and dear by an EMP or 3? effectively turning your precious motherland into staging grond for a new Walking Dead season?

lol, you think only russia can fuck people up like 100,000 civilians in Grozny? you think that if israel is about to go under, it will not remember the role you fags played in assisting its enemies over the years?

dream on. see you in hell, bud

O! I see you going to personal insults! Good. Always glad when zionist trolls have no more arguments. :)


Bwa-ha-ha
"
.....do you think Israel doesn't have a few EMP-hardened ICBM silos and nuke-tipped popeye turbo SLCM to take out moscow, st.peterburg, caspian oil facilities and all the other things you hold near and dear by an EMP or 3
"

Thank you very very much for showing genuine zionist essence. :)


And some classics

“Look here, Moska, what a shame!
What are you doing? Run away.
You try to bark with all your might
But the elephant doesn’t hear you cry”.

“You see, my friend, I don’t fight,
I only bark and jump and cry.
But all around will think and say
That I’m fearless and brave,
That I’m the strongest animal,
That I can fight the elephant”
[link to lib2.podelise.ru]


Have a nice day.

No need to be angry, I am just pointing out the obvious - Israel has three and only three tricks:

OPTION A:

Perform sneak aerial attack via incursion through airspace of nations whose people are incapable of defending it (like Lebanon). Drop the bombs, and stomp on the gas and get the hell out of there.

or

OPTION B:

Perform sneak aerial attack through airspace of partner nations who, like themselves, sponsor and endorse Sunni jihadists (usually Jordan and Saudi Arabia). Drop the bombs, and stomp on the gas and get the hell out of there. Partner nations condemn the raids to their public while in fact having prearranged them prior.

or

OPTION C:

Perform sneak aerial attack through airspace of A or B above, firing standoff weapons without actually entering the targeted country. Stomp on the gas and get the hell out of there.


I am just pointing out that the S300 having the ability to pick them off in these buffer nations creates some difficulty they aren't traditionally used to.

Russia will never surrender access to Syria's ports to America and Israel.

there is your Red Line.

I was shocked When Cyprus didn't sell some of their oil rights to Russia instead of agreeing to be Slaves to Rothschild.

I guess the Turkish lap dogs who beg for EU membership very year would have disputed Cyprus' oil claims.

Ladno bratan, prosti, yesli nagrubil. No nikakikh s-300 v Siriyu putin ne postavit. bud' realistom. S prazdnikom!

you're welcome. too bad you you conceded on all substantive and argumentative points so quickly, this was too easy, haha

see, as for M.A.D. briefly decribed above, fortunately putin is not as stupid and rage-filled as your average Krocodyl-shooting potzreot fanboi like you. all the arab-appeasing public posturing aside, putin knows he has common values and interests he shares with israel and the rest of the West.

putin knows that if his actions indirectly kick off WW-3 because muslims simply can't restrain themselves when it comes to "zionist entitah!",,,,, putin probably realizes that russia will be destroyed in the process along with everyone else. what's fair is fair, afterall.

so instead, putin prefers everone to be on as good relations as possible, so that he can continue to bang alina not to mention bilk his own depressed people out of 40 billion dollars in off-shore accounts. life is good if you're putin, so why jeopardize it all by messing with Israel that is literally 1000's of miles away?

i suggest you get with the 'world peace' program, too.

ciao!

The WMD's are not important. If they were America would not be arming Al Qaeda and letting them get anywhere near them lest some turn up missing.

I thought Al Qaeda lew up the World trade Center and were being hunted,oh well.

The objective is to kick Russia out of the Ports drive their nuclear subs out of the region and continue to strangle Russia and China with encirclement.

Encirlced Like A Ring:Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan(Eventually Iran),(Eventually North Korea).

Its not even about Assad really either.

Once encircled the process of destabilization of China and Russia can begin to keep them far far away from trading with Africa in any way whatsoever.


Every conflict in the "Middle East" is about keeping control of Africa's resources for Europe and destroying any chance China and Russia have of direct trade relations with Black Africa.

The other goal is to destabilize Africa enough that they beg for Africom which is currently in Stuttgart Germany to be moved to Africa to "Save" them from Al-Qaeda effectively recolonizing Africa so China and Russia are even further blocked from Trading directly with Black Africa.

Qaddafi was killed for fighting the Africom plans and letting Black Africa know What NATO had planned.

Qaddafi also was determined to have an independent Africa so he opened some of his oil field for direct trade with China.

Europe and America refuse to let go of the Master Slave relationship the have enjoyed for 500 years over Africa and they are working together once again with their Saudi Muslim partners as they did during the trans Atlantic slave trade to destabilize Africa and control it through Jihad and colonization.

I thought syria had them according to wikipedia isnt the SA10 -THE S300??