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Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"

 
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Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
"When it comes to health care, the biggest of the big data are all about Medicare.

So, it's kind of a BIG deal when the government releases what individual hospitals charge Medicare — and what they actually get paid — for the most common diagnoses and treatments."


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Type your zip into this link and find out how bad it is for you
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The data is quite staggering when you compare one state with another. Geez whiz!

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CNN article header reads "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"

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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
I swear, there's absolutely no honesty, integrity or anything moral left in our society
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
ya know, why can't I just call my doctor when a seizure meds aren't working and just call in another one. Ohhhh hell no, you need to be charged for an office visit that you don' need.

fucking rip off
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
what state are you in op?
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
btw, I'. in Indiana and not china
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
Why did the government decide to release this information for the first time ever?

Because Obamakill....uh, Obamacare is unpopular as hell right now and they can spin this data to make it look like Mass. with it's socialized healthcare is an ideal template. See, Obamacare will be good for all of us.
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
what state are you in op?
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Why aren't there more people who realize the magnitude of the situation were all in. I just don't know how the average person can't see through the smoke and mirrors. I mean, isn't it obvious yet?
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
people need to realize it's the greedy doctors and hospitals who are to blame for this, not the insurance companies.
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what state are you in op?
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IL - I stay as far away from Hospitals as possible though
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
Why did the government decide to release this information for the first time ever?

Because Obamakill....uh, Obamacare is unpopular as hell right now and they can spin this data to make it look like Mass. with it's socialized healthcare is an ideal template. See, Obamacare will be good for all of us.
 Quoting: Unixlike


Good question, you can bet there's a devious plan behind it
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You can type your zip code into this link from the NY Times

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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
And just for some more balance.

A dental root canal in Austrlia = $2-3000.00

In England = 50 Pounds, or about $85.00

So how the hell does that work?

Honestly the English could make a motza by offering cheap travel and a holiday to have your teeth fixed, all thrown in.

And probably any number of other medical proceedures as well.

Who has watched "SICKO", lots of truths in it, even if you do not like Michael Moore.

I might start a medical travel and holiday business, Ill make heaps, just need to sort out some details, cant be too hard.

Time for us all to wake up I think.

Post your other similar medical experiences here!!
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
The way rich and middle class people are fleeing California right now, there won't be anyone left with the ability to pay for their heart attack...

So I guess it's just free right?!?!?
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btw, I'. in Indiana and not china
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lol
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The way rich and middle class people are fleeing California right now, there won't be anyone left with the ability to pay for their heart attack...

So I guess it's just free right?!?!?
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We bailed a year ago. I swear that place is a giant sinkhole of hell.
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
Since I've decided to "go Galt" I've also decided not to use much, if any, conventional medical services. And if I do use them I have a family physician that still offers cash services and discounts as a way to get away from the bureaucracy of Obamacare...
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Since I've decided to "go Galt" I've also decided not to use much, if any, conventional medical services. And if I do use them I have a family physician that still offers cash services and discounts as a way to get away from the bureaucracy of Obamacare...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I'm gonna have to have limbs, dangling by the skin, before I stroll into any hospital. You're not guaranteed to live even when you pay out your ass!
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
Government caused this. People used to pay out of pocket, and different doctors and hospitals had to compete. Then insurance came in, but it didn't cover 100% and was only for high expense items.

We need less government to fix this, not more.
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Government caused this. People used to pay out of pocket, and different doctors and hospitals had to compete. Then insurance came in, but it didn't cover 100% and was only for high expense items.

We need less government to fix this, not more.
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^^^THIS^^^
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It is called Socialism.

California has more out of work, brainless and illegal alien people than anywhere in the world. The top earners pay for the welfare people in Los Angeles, Riverside, San Diego and the list can go on and on in this state. Its a socialist state that forgot how true socialism works.
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I swear, there's absolutely no honesty, integrity or anything moral left in our society
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No there isn't, and whenever you involve the government into anything you have to also pay for the huge bureaucracy that goes a long with it...

Government never makes anything cheaper and it certainly does not improve a patients' care.
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
The way rich and middle class people are fleeing California right now, there won't be anyone left with the ability to pay for their heart attack...

So I guess it's just free right?!?!?
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A VERY small percentage are fleeing. I live in San Diego near the beach and that is all you have here.
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
The way rich and middle class people are fleeing California right now, there won't be anyone left with the ability to pay for their heart attack...

So I guess it's just free right?!?!?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


A VERY small percentage are fleeing. I live in San Diego near the beach and that is all you have here.
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I guess you are content with being a slave to taxes as long as you can be on the beach, so be it..
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
The way rich and middle class people are fleeing California right now, there won't be anyone left with the ability to pay for their heart attack...

So I guess it's just free right?!?!?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


A VERY small percentage are fleeing. I live in San Diego near the beach and that is all you have here.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


I lived in PB for 3.5 yrs. Where you at Warrior?
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
The way rich and middle class people are fleeing California right now, there won't be anyone left with the ability to pay for their heart attack...

So I guess it's just free right?!?!?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


A VERY small percentage are fleeing. I live in San Diego near the beach and that is all you have here.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


I guess you are content with being a slave to taxes as long as you can be on the beach, so be it..
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There's no doubt SD beaches are the shizz, but I couldn't take it any longer. I do miss the beach though :(
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
In California houses, medical care etc. costs 3x more than other INDUSTRIALIZED states merely because the extra costs of everything they have to buy.

(Rural states are NOT a good comparison wrt to most medical costs because generally except for a couple of top hospitals most are providing "basic" care versus "top level advanced" care)

If you are going to have a serious heart attack ... you want to be in a place with specialized Heart personel, those who deal EXCLUSIVELY with those issues on a daily basis. You will NOT find that level of care in a rural state, unfortunately.

CLEVELAND is actually the place to be!! Why? The Cleveland Clinic is there, which is THE BEST heart hospital IN THE WORLD (why so many foreign heads of state fly in for care there, as well as the wealthiest of the wealthiest), and just so they won't be shown up Metro Health's hospitals and University Hospitals try to be just as good.

Your odds of surviving a heart attack with minimal damage, or just surviving period, is better in Cleveland Ohio than ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE WORLD ... but your are NOT going to get that level of care for $3,300 (but it WILL be cheaper than California)
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Re: Obama administration lifts veil off Medicare hospital pricing - "Your heart attack bill: $3,300 in Arkansas, $92,000 in California"
Those who have been around awhile will remember what healthcare costs used to be in relationship to ones wages. Not much thought was given to cash costs or the cost of insurance as they were very low. The hospital costs for our first born in 1961 was $250 and this included 3-days in the hospital.

Technology, government red tape and inflation account for some of the increased costs today but the largest increase is the result of "greed."

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Those who have been around awhile will remember what healthcare costs used to be in relationship to ones wages. Not much thought was given to cash costs or the cost of insurance as they were very low. The hospital costs for our first born in 1961 was $250 and this included 3-days in the hospital.

Technology, government red tape and inflation account for some of the increased costs today but the largest increase is the result of "greed."
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You eclipse that figure as soon as you walk through the door now
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And just for some more balance.

A dental root canal in Austrlia = $2-3000.00

In England = 50 Pounds, or about $85.00

So how the hell does that work?

Honestly the English could make a motza by offering cheap travel and a holiday to have your teeth fixed, all thrown in.

And probably any number of other medical proceedures as well.

Who has watched "SICKO", lots of truths in it, even if you do not like Michael Moore.

I might start a medical travel and holiday business, Ill make heaps, just need to sort out some details, cant be too hard.

Time for us all to wake up I think.

Post your other similar medical experiences here!!
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ACtually this is really big business in the fertility community. Infertility expenses and treatments is so expensive for those going through this that many resort to getting treatments and drugs in europe on fertility holidays. Heck, I mean if you've already shelled out $50K in unsuccessful attempts here in the states, why not spend $10K-$15K and go on a nice vacation to europe somewhere and get the fertility treatment when all you would get here is a trip to your big city hospital or doctor (because here in Indiana there's only like maybe 4 cities that offer IVF's). It's perfectly legal from everything I've read as well.

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