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Infinity concept - why everything conceivable & physically possible exists

 
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Infinity concept - why everything conceivable & physically possible exists
Okay, so let's assume that, logically, the universe is infinite. If this is so, matter exists infinitely. If something is infinite, anything can occur infinitely in any place. Therefore, everything exists, infinitely. I am typing this, infinitely, and scoffing at just how impossible it is, thinking that I'm the original. And you, you are reading this, perhaps thinking the same thing. Also on this, anything that is physically possible, exists somewhere, infinitely as well. Let's get crazy.
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Yes I suppose so.
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I already thought this. If one can think it, it exists and has been discovered or is yet to be discovered.
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I already thought this. If one can think it, it exists and has been discovered or is yet to be discovered.
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This is true! Kind of makes you feel, miniscule, or even nonexistant if you immerse into it a bit further. There is a world in which you, kind man, posted this rather than me, and I'm stuck in a ditch drinking 10 month old Vodka, speaking with "that" creepy man who hangs out in the alley.
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I already thought this. If one can think it, it exists and has been discovered or is yet to be discovered.
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This is true! Kind of makes you feel, miniscule, or even nonexistant if you immerse into it a bit further. There is a world in which you, kind man, posted this rather than me, and I'm stuck in a ditch drinking 10 month old Vodka, speaking with "that" creepy man who hangs out in the alley.
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Then if we assume that infinite parallel universes are real then without a doubt everything exists.
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I already thought this. If one can think it, it exists and has been discovered or is yet to be discovered.
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This is true! Kind of makes you feel, miniscule, or even nonexistant if you immerse into it a bit further. There is a world in which you, kind man, posted this rather than me, and I'm stuck in a ditch drinking 10 month old Vodka, speaking with "that" creepy man who hangs out in the alley.
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Then if we assume that infinite parallel universes are real then without a doubt everything exists.
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OP, do you know what the "Counting Numbers" are? They are numbers like 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Mathematically speaking, the set of Counting numbers is an infinite set.

Now suppose I say to you, "Here is an infinite set of numbers, all of which are counting numbers." Does that mean that my set of numbers must contain all counting numbers? No, it doesn't. Look at the set of even numbers, i.e. 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. It is an infinite set of counting numbers, but it's not ALL counting numbers. A set can be infinite without containing everything possible.

Likewise, even if we assume that the universe is infinite, we cannot say that everything physically possible exists.
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Re: Infinity concept - why everything conceivable & physically possible exists
Okay, so let's assume that, logically, the universe is infinite. If this is so, matter exists infinitely. If something is infinite, anything can occur infinitely in any place. Therefore, everything exists, infinitely. I am typing this, infinitely, and scoffing at just how impossible it is, thinking that I'm the original. And you, you are reading this, perhaps thinking the same thing. Also on this, anything that is physically possible, exists somewhere, infinitely as well. Let's get crazy.
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Correct. But you are limiting yourself to the universe.
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OP, do you know what the "Counting Numbers" are? They are numbers like 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Mathematically speaking, the set of Counting numbers is an infinite set.

Now suppose I say to you, "Here is an infinite set of numbers, all of which are counting numbers." Does that mean that my set of numbers must contain all counting numbers? No, it doesn't. Look at the set of even numbers, i.e. 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. It is an infinite set of counting numbers, but it's not ALL counting numbers. A set can be infinite without containing everything possible.

Likewise, even if we assume that the universe is infinite, we cannot say that everything physically possible exists.
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I do see the point you're making with counting numbers, but is that really the same infinity? The universe is, I would say, arbitrarily infinite, those number sets have a pattern, they're not random, but still infinite.
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Ok I'm going to post this under the assumption that you have watched the multiverse video I have linked.

Okay, based on the assumption that the universe is in fact encased in a massive network of universes which are being born all the time and dying all the time, simultaneously, which in essence means it is a kind of "factory", this raises a great deal of questions.

For one, if the multiverse truly creates and destroys universes all the time, this leads to the possibility of parallel universes, similar in every way possible to ours. The properties of our universe might be extremely similar to other universes in this vast network of universes, or it may be extremely different in every way comprehensible.

Let me give you an example based on the assumption that the multiverse is truly infinite.

Everything which has ever happened in this universe, up until I upload this post onto the Internet, is happening right now in another universe, only a little bit different, or of course in other cases VERY different.

Lets say I was born on June 9th, 1947. In another universe I would have been born on June 7th 1947, or August 7th 1947 and so forth, as there is an infinite amount of universes being simultaneously born, each with either similar properties to a certain degree or even different properties incomprehensible to us.

In one universe I might post this at 12pm, or another 6am. If this theory is correct EVERYTHING IN THIS 3D dimension is possible, either to be created or already created. This could also mean that somewhere out there, there is a "perfect" universe in every way possible as everything is possible, or in some cases the exact opposite.

To put things into perspective, let's say the Sun will die in approximately 10 billion years. In another universe, it would be 10 million years or 10 thousand years or even 10 seconds! The possibilities are truly endless. Everything you have ever done has been replicated in another universe at this exact moment , just with a different degree of changes!!

This universe is based on the 3D dimension as that is what we can perceive. You cannot even try to comprehend 4D let alone 5D and so forth up until infinity. This is another part of the truth. There is truly an infinity of you.
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From my thread.
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Re: Infinity concept - why everything conceivable & physically possible exists
Ok I'm going to post this under the assumption that you have watched the multiverse video I have linked.

Okay, based on the assumption that the universe is in fact encased in a massive network of universes which are being born all the time and dying all the time, simultaneously, which in essence means it is a kind of "factory", this raises a great deal of questions.

For one, if the multiverse truly creates and destroys universes all the time, this leads to the possibility of parallel universes, similar in every way possible to ours. The properties of our universe might be extremely similar to other universes in this vast network of universes, or it may be extremely different in every way comprehensible.

Let me give you an example based on the assumption that the multiverse is truly infinite.

Everything which has ever happened in this universe, up until I upload this post onto the Internet, is happening right now in another universe, only a little bit different, or of course in other cases VERY different.

Lets say I was born on June 9th, 1947. In another universe I would have been born on June 7th 1947, or August 7th 1947 and so forth, as there is an infinite amount of universes being simultaneously born, each with either similar properties to a certain degree or even different properties incomprehensible to us.

In one universe I might post this at 12pm, or another 6am. If this theory is correct EVERYTHING IN THIS 3D dimension is possible, either to be created or already created. This could also mean that somewhere out there, there is a "perfect" universe in every way possible as everything is possible, or in some cases the exact opposite.

To put things into perspective, let's say the Sun will die in approximately 10 billion years. In another universe, it would be 10 million years or 10 thousand years or even 10 seconds! The possibilities are truly endless. Everything you have ever done has been replicated in another universe at this exact moment , just with a different degree of changes!!

This universe is based on the 3D dimension as that is what we can perceive. You cannot even try to comprehend 4D let alone 5D and so forth up until infinity. This is another part of the truth. There is truly an infinity of you.
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From my thread.
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Wow, that is quite close. It's an interesting & intriguing thing to think of, isn't it?
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Ahhhhh..................the infinite and eternal! If it wasn't so..............you wouldn't be here NOW!

Everything is infinite and eternal and eternally changing in an infinite number of ways!

Therefore - the ONLY constant is - CHANGE! Which of course is occurring infinitely throughout eternity!

When you can grasp this truth - you are free indeed! hf
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Ahhhhh..................the infinite and eternal! If it wasn't so..............you wouldn't be here NOW!

Everything is infinite and eternal and eternally changing in an infinite number of ways!

Therefore - the ONLY constant is - CHANGE! Which of course is occurring infinitely throughout eternity!

When you can grasp this truth - you are free indeed! hf
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I see another infinitive man! Indeed, it is so.
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Okay, so let's assume that, logically, the universe is infinite.
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lolatu you joker
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No infinity without the finite possible. Similar with eternity and temporality.
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No infinity without the finite possible. Similar with eternity and temporality.
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No finite possibility without infinity and no temporality without eternity!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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No infinity without the finite possible. Similar with eternity and temporality.
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No finite possibility without infinity and no temporality without eternity!
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Yes, the terms are complementary.
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Exactly, anything is possible because everything already exists.
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No infinity without the finite possible. Similar with eternity and temporality.
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No finite possibility without infinity and no temporality without eternity!
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Yes, the terms are complementary.
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hf
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No infinity without the finite possible. Similar with eternity and temporality.
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No finite possibility without infinity and no temporality without eternity!
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Yes, the terms are complementary.
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hf
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Re: Infinity concept - why everything conceivable & physically possible exists
Okay, so let's assume that, logically, the universe is infinite.
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lolatu you joker
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If the universe was finite, where would the boundaries be, why would it stop, what would be beyond the boundaries?
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Okay, so let's assume that, logically, the universe is infinite.
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lolatu you joker
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If the universe was finite, where would the boundaries be, why would it stop, what would be beyond the boundaries?
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Time space continuum means: time ends with space edvancing and vice versa.
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Okay, so let's assume that, logically, the universe is infinite.
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lolatu you joker
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If the universe was finite, where would the boundaries be, why would it stop, what would be beyond the boundaries?
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Time space continuum means: time ends with space edvancing and vice versa.
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Why does time end, while space still advances? How does time itself even end, time is simply a measurement, it doesn't particularly exist, at least in my philosophical thinkings.
Everything is an opinion - subjective at that. The question is, do you realize everything is an opinion, or are you under the illusion that you are fact?
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lolatu you joker
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If the universe was finite, where would the boundaries be, why would it stop, what would be beyond the boundaries?
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Time space continuum means: time ends with space edvancing and vice versa.
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Why does time end, while space still advances? How does time itself even end, time is simply a measurement, it doesn't particularly exist, at least in my philosophical thinkings.
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Time slows down with expanding space and vice versa.
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If the universe was finite, where would the boundaries be, why would it stop, what would be beyond the boundaries?
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Time space continuum means: time ends with space edvancing and vice versa.
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Why does time end, while space still advances? How does time itself even end, time is simply a measurement, it doesn't particularly exist, at least in my philosophical thinkings.
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Time slows down with expanding space and vice versa.
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I already thought this. If one can think it, it exists and has been discovered or is yet to be discovered.
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Also to think we own an idea is absurd, you did not think it, you pulled it out from the interaction field.
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I already thought this. If one can think it, it exists and has been discovered or is yet to be discovered.
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Also to think we own an idea is absurd, you did not think it, you pulled it out from the interaction field.
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Yes, we certainly do not own any ideas. To think so is extremely arrogant.
Everything is an opinion - subjective at that. The question is, do you realize everything is an opinion, or are you under the illusion that you are fact?
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Everything is an opinion - subjective at that. The question is, do you realize everything is an opinion, or are you under the illusion that you are fact?
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Multiverses exist inherently with every possibility available to the matters involved because the strings that compose particles are flat-ish and reflective. 

A cross-section of the string would reveal the top and bottom plane-like portions are extensively broad relative to the "sides" of the strings which aren't flat, but bowed, and equally impressive in their amount of facets, as the top and bottom are in their void of features, by comparison. The string is so long and oscillates such that its very reflection becomes reality from the likely angle of perception, hence dimension. The broader portions become the most plausible realities while the facets of the sides attribute to progressively improbable and impossible outcomes. The fabric, or vacuum, which exist between and even within each particle, shuttles information of events to be observed. The act of observation may also affect subsequent events through the fabric. Anticipation, an extension of imagination, which is arguably a sign of cyclical time and space, opposed to linear beliefs, due to this pervasive conscious fabric, may also possibly affect outcome of events and through awareness, hope or belief, change the dimension of perspective of string reflections.

And this is EVERY string that exists in everything. Particle. Atom. Molecule. Living or non-living organic and inorganic. In conjunction with one anothers reflections compounding possibilities.
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Hey, don't fergit about infinite density!

Like, ummm, Mitt Romney maybe?

Oh, wait, I'm thinking about another kind of density...
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Multiverses exist inherently with every possibility available to the matters involved because the strings that compose particles are flat-ish and reflective. 

A cross-section of the string would reveal the top and bottom plane-like portions are extensively broad relative to the "sides" of the strings which aren't flat, but bowed, and equally impressive in their amount of facets, as the top and bottom are in their void of features, by comparison. The string is so long and oscillates such that its very reflection becomes reality from the likely angle of perception, hence dimension. The broader portions become the most plausible realities while the facets of the sides attribute to progressively improbable and impossible outcomes. The fabric, or vacuum, which exist between and even within each particle, shuttles information of events to be observed. The act of observation may also affect subsequent events through the fabric. Anticipation, an extension of imagination, which is arguably a sign of cyclical time and space, opposed to linear beliefs, due to this pervasive conscious fabric, may also possibly affect outcome of events and through awareness, hope or belief, change the dimension of perspective of string reflections.

And this is EVERY string that exists in everything. Particle. Atom. Molecule. Living or non-living organic and inorganic. In conjunction with one anothers reflections compounding possibilities.
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Very interesting, I've always admired the string theory.

Hey, don't fergit about infinite density!

Like, ummm, Mitt Romney maybe?

Oh, wait, I'm thinking about another kind of density...
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