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I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?

 
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I will explain once why "they" are the "good guys".

In order to take them out, we have to rally our own forces, form small communities, and undermine the pyramid.

"They" are waiting for us to unite, again.

In love

It's the only way.
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Then why would "they" be destroying Mother Earth? Raping the resources like there is no tomorrow. I can't how they care for us when they are destroying this planet.

No, what you are saying doesn't make sense...
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I'll give you a logical reason. Not saying this IS the reason, but it is a logical one.

It is VERY difficult to transition global change. There are going to be bumps. To transition a change quickly can be more devastating than making the transition slowly. Let's take oil for example. The transition of oil to a new energy source would devastate the economy and turned the world upside down, not to mention the third world countries and other locations where the change wouldn't be immediate and the need for oil based fuel would still be needed. But, the price of it would sky-rocket, and probably be unattainable for those poorer nations. So, you would get a ruined global economy, devaluation of ALL currency, etc. Not to mention making sure long-term tests that are needed if new energy sources. Nuclear for example. Why not go crazy and just build nuke plants everywhere. NOW, it is obvious why not, but when it was first being used as a fuel source, the ramifications of its use were still unforeseen in the types of damages it could cause, no matter the safeguards in operation.

Yes, I understand the 'money' fuels the longevity of usage of the above examples, but being in a global economy and global systems already in place, change cannot come over night, or, like I said, it would be more devastating than eventually working through the issue.

No matter what, the earth would come back from depletion of resources. It is we that it would effect most.
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
Why are you surprised? They all have their own bias/beliefs that they treat as truth. They meaning the posters here.

All they have ever heard is bad things about Illuminati and 'ruling' Elites. The feeling of disenfranchisement only stokes these fires, and many enemies or opposing factions use it as a tool.

Of course a thread like this will ruffle feathers. Every single thread of this nature is treated in the same way. This is nothing new.
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You have no idea what I base my opnions on.

YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.

They are pedophiles. Lots of info on the subject.

The Franklin scandal is one of such infos.
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I did not claim I knew your opinion. I was generalizing. If that is not understood from my words, then I can't help you. There are various factions in all of this, and you claiming they all are pedophiles is...naive. That is MY opinion. You think all of them have the same mindset and work towards the same agendas and goals. Nothing further from the truth.
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I'll give you a logical reason. Not saying this IS the reason, but it is a logical one.

It is VERY difficult to transition global change. There are going to be bumps. To transition a change quickly can be more devastating than making the transition slowly. Let's take oil for example. The transition of oil to a new energy source would devastate the economy and turned the world upside down, not to mention the third world countries and other locations where the change wouldn't be immediate and the need for oil based fuel would still be needed. But, the price of it would sky-rocket, and probably be unattainable for those poorer nations. So, you would get a ruined global economy, devaluation of ALL currency, etc. Not to mention making sure long-term tests that are needed if new energy sources. Nuclear for example. Why not go crazy and just build nuke plants everywhere. NOW, it is obvious why not, but when it was first being used as a fuel source, the ramifications of its use were still unforeseen in the types of damages it could cause, no matter the safeguards in operation.

Yes, I understand the 'money' fuels the longevity of usage of the above examples, but being in a global economy and global systems already in place, change cannot come over night, or, like I said, it would be more devastating than eventually working through the issue.

No matter what, the earth would come back from depletion of resources. It is we that it would effect most.
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Sorry, I can't grasp that logic.

Let me give you another example. If their is a ruling elite that truly cares about humanity, then why let the world population reach the point where the depletion of the natural resources and the complete collapse of all animal life is a certainty?

So, they destroy the world as we know it to enlighten us? I can't see it...

I am not saying you are wrong. Maybe I'm just am too stupid to follow your logic...
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It depends, if you call slaughtering millions in war, child sacrifice/cannibalism, pedophilia, sex trafficking, brainwashing, etc. good, then the much of the current ruling elite are good.
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Is there really any proof of this or just stories created and pushed by other disinfo types?
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The proof is in the pudding. Look around you and see in what state the world is in.

Either they are not the good guys or they are not the ruling elite.
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It depends, if you call slaughtering millions in war, child sacrifice/cannibalism, pedophilia, sex trafficking, brainwashing, etc. good, then the much of the current ruling elite are good.
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Is there really any proof of this or just stories created and pushed by other disinfo types?
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The proof is in the pudding. Look around you and see in what state the world is in.

Either they are not the good guys or they are not the ruling elite.
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Again...

Who...is...they... One group? I don't think so.

We keep saying "they" around here without any idea who we really mean. That is the issue!
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
I'll give you a logical reason. Not saying this IS the reason, but it is a logical one.

It is VERY difficult to transition global change. There are going to be bumps. To transition a change quickly can be more devastating than making the transition slowly. Let's take oil for example. The transition of oil to a new energy source would devastate the economy and turned the world upside down, not to mention the third world countries and other locations where the change wouldn't be immediate and the need for oil based fuel would still be needed. But, the price of it would sky-rocket, and probably be unattainable for those poorer nations. So, you would get a ruined global economy, devaluation of ALL currency, etc. Not to mention making sure long-term tests that are needed if new energy sources. Nuclear for example. Why not go crazy and just build nuke plants everywhere. NOW, it is obvious why not, but when it was first being used as a fuel source, the ramifications of its use were still unforeseen in the types of damages it could cause, no matter the safeguards in operation.

Yes, I understand the 'money' fuels the longevity of usage of the above examples, but being in a global economy and global systems already in place, change cannot come over night, or, like I said, it would be more devastating than eventually working through the issue.

No matter what, the earth would come back from depletion of resources. It is we that it would effect most.
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Sorry, I can't grasp that logic.

Let me give you another example. If their is a ruling elite that truly cares about humanity, then why let the world population reach the point where the depletion of the natural resources and the complete collapse of all animal life is a certainty?

So, they destroy the world as we know it to enlighten us? I can't see it...

I am not saying you are wrong. Maybe I'm just am too stupid to follow your logic...
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I understand. I think you are partly correct in that being the agenda for some of them.

I don't see the complete collapse of all animal life being a possibility though, unless you are speaking of ELE's.

I also don't see total destruction of the world. There may be harm against the earth, but complete destruction? Don't see that anywhere. I would say that they may be working towards a specific collapse of the human condition in order to start a new. Perhaps your passion is what is needed for a catalyst to take place to get the transition under way.

I am merely playing Devil's Advocate here. I do not agree with oil being our source of energy, or damaging/destroying ecologies, etc. I probably sound cold-hearted. I just wanted to express alternative views to the possible way some of them view the world.

In NO WAY do I agree with the majority of what is occurring and decisions made by these 'people'. I think the majority of them live their lives by greed, the need for power, and the clique of the very rich, etc.
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I did not claim I knew your opinion. I was generalizing. If that is not understood from my words, then I can't help you. There are various factions in all of this, and you claiming they all are pedophiles is...naive. That is MY opinion. You think all of them have the same mindset and work towards the same agendas and goals. Nothing further from the truth.
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That I certainly agree with.
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I think we all have had those thoughts at some stage. The way I resolved it is by applying this teaching. You will know the tree by the fruit it bears. When you look at that group they are all filthy rich and powerful in our world. Self serving. They engage in less that honorable acts eg behemian grove. They are secretive. They withold tech and human evo. and they have been very good at enslving us. You can add to this list and draw your own conclusion. God bless.
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It depends, if you call slaughtering millions in war, child sacrifice/cannibalism, pedophilia, sex trafficking, brainwashing, etc. good, then the much of the current ruling elite are good.
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Is there really any proof of this or just stories created and pushed by other disinfo types?
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The proof is in the pudding. Look around you and see in what state the world is in.

Either they are not the good guys or they are not the ruling elite.
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Again...

Who...is...they... One group? I don't think so.

We keep saying "they" around here without any idea who we really mean. That is the issue!
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No this is not an issue. It doenst mater who they are and how many. Those who are in control are not the good guys, period. And all the others who are willing to be their puppets are not the good guys either.
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I think we all have had those thoughts at some stage. The way I resolved it is by applying this teaching. You will know the tree by the fruit it bears. When you look at that group they are all filthy rich and powerful in our world. Self serving. They engage in less that honorable acts eg behemian grove. They are secretive. They withold tech and human evo. and they have been very good at enslving us. You can add to this list and draw your own conclusion. God bless.
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I agree with this, but only in part. Again, lumping all of them into this one single category is just simple thinking. I don't mean that to be a dig against you. Dynamics of people's relations with each other are vast and complex...and can be very different, though they may be of the same organization, clique, etc.
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Hmmmm....they want a 'future' where they maintain influence and power over surviving people's.

On the other hand i am eradicating the human species and then 'ALL' sentience in the universe.

who is your bad guys?

'exzAzxe'
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Hmmmm....they want a 'future' where they maintain influence and power over surviving people's.

On the other hand i am eradicating the human species and then 'ALL' sentience in the universe.

who is your bad guys?

'exzAzxe'
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Why would they want a future of that? They have it NOW.
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you just now figured that out???

wait itll you find out that they wre wrong all the time and that if evil doesn't get its act together, we are all doomed.

counting on you to truly weaponize that sh* soon.
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Are you just generalizing 6653158, or was that directed to OP?
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
I think we all have had those thoughts at some stage. The way I resolved it is by applying this teaching. You will know the tree by the fruit it bears. When you look at that group they are all filthy rich and powerful in our world. Self serving. They engage in less that honorable acts eg behemian grove. They are secretive. They withold tech and human evo. and they have been very good at enslving us. You can add to this list and draw your own conclusion. God bless.
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I think we are hung in a loop here. Let me say this a little differently.

Let's say for argument sake that there are 2 or even 3 groups constantly jostling for control of humanity. Both(or all 3) believe that they are the "good guys". They each arrogantly believe that they deserve to rule these beasts. They deserve to have power, money and luxury beyond imagining.

But they are arrogant, so they constantly fight along themselves with us stuck in the middle suffering, poor and tortured.

These beings are destroying the world for some crazy reason that I can't understand. Maybe they believe that they can leave once this world is destroyed. Maybe they see an alien race coming to save them. I don't know.

But, we have to come to the understanding that there isn't one big bad wolf out there that we can destroy and everything will be all better and can go back to the way we want it to be.

That will NOT happen. The key is understanding your ADVERSARY...
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No this is not an issue. It doenst mater who they are and how many. Those who are in control are not the good guys, period. And all the others who are willing to be their puppets are not the good guys either.
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Enough said!!!

Masonry in a few words.
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Yes. Ignorance certainly is not bliss. That is for sure.
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Is there really any proof of this or just stories created and pushed by other disinfo types?
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The proof is in the pudding. Look around you and see in what state the world is in.

Either they are not the good guys or they are not the ruling elite.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34817033


Again...

Who...is...they... One group? I don't think so.

We keep saying "they" around here without any idea who we really mean. That is the issue!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29659065

No this is not an issue. It doenst mater who they are and how many. Those who are in control are not the good guys, period. And all the others who are willing to be their puppets are not the good guys either.
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A handful of elite that want to control the world cannot do that without puppets. So eventually it will come down to you as an individual. Are you willing to be their puppet? Can you say "No" when your boss asks you to help him scam the people to make more profit? This is the only thing that matters, every conspiracy you heard is trivial compared to this.
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Hmmmm....they want a 'future' where they maintain influence and power over surviving people's.

On the other hand i am eradicating the human species and then 'ALL' sentience in the universe.

who is your bad guys?

'exzAzxe'
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you guys are so retarded....its in black and white....still please continue...your delusion is my delicious succor.
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A handful of elite that want to control the world cannot do that without puppets. So eventually it will come down to you as an individual. Are you willing to be their puppet? Can you say "No" when your boss asks you to help him scam the people to make more profit? This is the only thing that matters, every conspiracy you heard is trivial compared to this.
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OK, this question I can answer with some certainty. I will absolutely refuse to help control others for my own benefit.

I made this choice a while back and gave up a very good career and living because I felt it supported this madness. I am now living as what many would consider a bum because I refuse to cooperate with this madness.

But you decide what is right for you...

Will this bring down the "system"? What about the other 1 or 2 groups that would then just take over and we start this madness all over again...
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A handful of elite that want to control the world cannot do that without puppets. So eventually it will come down to you as an individual. Are you willing to be their puppet? Can you say "No" when your boss asks you to help him scam the people to make more profit? This is the only thing that matters, every conspiracy you heard is trivial compared to this.
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Not really. You helping your boss to scam other people are nowhere here close to getting an innocent child and torturing it to make split multiple-personalities so that you can use him/her/them for your selfish sexual/political objectives.

They do that with children. Don't they?
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Sorry. That's a "cop out". You don't want to lose your "good thing".

No attack, just an opinion...
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A handful of elite that want to control the world cannot do that without puppets. So eventually it will come down to you as an individual. Are you willing to be their puppet? Can you say "No" when your boss asks you to help him scam the people to make more profit? This is the only thing that matters, every conspiracy you heard is trivial compared to this.
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OK, this question I can answer with some certainty. I will absolutely refuse to help control others for my own benefit.

I made this choice a while back and gave up a very good career and living because I felt it supported this madness. I am now living as what many would consider a bum because I refuse to cooperate with this madness.

But you decide what is right for you...

Will this bring down the "system"? What about the other 1 or 2 groups that would then just take over and we start this madness all over again...
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Bless you then. You are an asset to humanity.

No it wont bring down the system because of you alone. Others will have to do it aswell.

But, what comes around goes around. What you send out will come back at you. On an individual level you will receive the rewards that you deserver. I know this from experience.
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A handful of elite that want to control the world cannot do that without puppets. So eventually it will come down to you as an individual. Are you willing to be their puppet? Can you say "No" when your boss asks you to help him scam the people to make more profit? This is the only thing that matters, every conspiracy you heard is trivial compared to this.
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Not really. You helping your boss to scam other people are nowhere here close to getting an innocent child and torturing it to make split multiple-personalities so that you can use him/her/them for your selfish sexual/political objectives.

They do that with children. Don't they?
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I could have used that situation as an example too. It comes down to your moralities. When Obama orders you to use a predator drone to blow up a few kids, will you do it? beter example?
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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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i say yes they are

fact - illuminatti - stay hidden, don;t yap - ie humble like god likes

fact - illuminatti - rich - which means they are favored by god or somethng


look at the anti illuminatti people. they like guns and hate jews and want to pur salt in like down syndrome babies eyes

which i think are most members

and then quote scripture and say your going to hell

not the illuminatti - they have manners, they are pure, pedestal

these are the facts

irrefutable
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Bless you then. You are an asset to humanity.

No it wont bring down the system because of you alone. Others will have to do it aswell.

But, what comes around goes around. What you send out will come back at you. On an individual level you will receive the rewards that you deserver. I know this from experience.
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I don't know if my choice is just the sign of a fool or not. I just know that I had no other choice for my own sanity, happiness and growth. I can say that I sleep very well at night.

"Septenary Man" knows what I speak of is the truth. (Fibonacci here my friend.)

I also am not sure that one person can change the world, but I have to take the first step...

Peace
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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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Indeed it is not for them to decide wither we can handel the truth.

Refusing to be part of this madness doesnt have to be a pain at all. What goes around comes around, that is a universal law. I know this from experience, however, i was never part of this madness to begin with, so i didnt partake in it even once. So i can imagine that those who did partake in it and who step out of it, will have to wait longer to receive their fruits, and will have to endure a little. This is just speculation.
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Indeed it is not for them to decide wither we can handel the truth.

Refusing to be part of this madness doesnt have to be a pain at all. What goes around comes around, that is a universal law. I know this from experience, however, i was never part of this madness to begin with, so i didnt partake in it even once. So i can imagine that those who did partake in it and who step out of it, will have to wait longer to receive their fruits, and will have to endure a little. This is just speculation.
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You are a wiser soul than I then.

The desire of most is to not be different than the herd. To be different is about ridicule, hate and violence. It is so much easier to do what the rest of the herd does. That is the safe way through life. The rebel is always a tougher path.

That is the way these elite keep and direct their power. Anyone that is different or does not conform is attacked.

Most would rather go along than to appear as a rebel. We create our own slavery in this way.
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oh great


a little illuminatti kid is like walking around "la la, oh, a sick little bird, let me help it, la la "

then BAM

glp anti illuminatti racist

that wants to pour salt in his eyes and call his parents names and then buy guns and rant about obama

the evidence is clear

Illuminatti 1... glp - 0
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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He is a paid shill.

Probably a "intelligence" officer. Don't believe what you see here. It is not what it seems. Trust me.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I don't disagree with you.
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
Judge them by their fruits. Their fruits are rotten to core. Look what they are selling us. Violence, drugs, homosexuality. let's look at 9/11 and other false flag terror attacks.

They are anti Christian. They are anti good morals and love. They are labeled evil with a reason and proof.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


you lost credibility at "homosexuality" as if its a choice.

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