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I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?

 
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A handful of elite that want to control the world cannot do that without puppets. So eventually it will come down to you as an individual. Are you willing to be their puppet? Can you say "No" when your boss asks you to help him scam the people to make more profit? This is the only thing that matters, every conspiracy you heard is trivial compared to this.
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Not really. You helping your boss to scam other people are nowhere here close to getting an innocent child and torturing it to make split multiple-personalities so that you can use him/her/them for your selfish sexual/political objectives.

They do that with children. Don't they?
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I could have used that situation as an example too. It comes down to your moralities. When Obama orders you to use a predator drone to blow up a few kids, will you do it? beter example?
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A handful of elite that want to control the world cannot do that without puppets. So eventually it will come down to you as an individual. Are you willing to be their puppet? Can you say "No" when your boss asks you to help him scam the people to make more profit? This is the only thing that matters, every conspiracy you heard is trivial compared to this.
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Not really. You helping your boss to scam other people are nowhere here close to getting an innocent child and torturing it to make split multiple-personalities so that you can use him/her/them for your selfish sexual/political objectives.

They do that with children. Don't they?
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I could have used that situation as an example too. It comes down to your moralities. When Obama orders you to use a predator drone to blow up a few kids, will you do it? beter example?
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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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i say yes they are

fact - illuminatti - stay hidden, don;t yap - ie humble like god likes

fact - illuminatti - rich - which means they are favored by god or somethng


look at the anti illuminatti people. they like guns and hate jews and want to pur salt in like down syndrome babies eyes

which i think are most members

and then quote scripture and say your going to hell

not the illuminatti - they have manners, they are pure, pedestal

these are the facts

irrefutable
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Bless you then. You are an asset to humanity.

No it wont bring down the system because of you alone. Others will have to do it aswell.

But, what comes around goes around. What you send out will come back at you. On an individual level you will receive the rewards that you deserver. I know this from experience.
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I don't know if my choice is just the sign of a fool or not. I just know that I had no other choice for my own sanity, happiness and growth. I can say that I sleep very well at night.

"Septenary Man" knows what I speak of is the truth. (Fibonacci here my friend.)

I also am not sure that one person can change the world, but I have to take the first step...

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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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Indeed it is not for them to decide wither we can handel the truth.

Refusing to be part of this madness doesnt have to be a pain at all. What goes around comes around, that is a universal law. I know this from experience, however, i was never part of this madness to begin with, so i didnt partake in it even once. So i can imagine that those who did partake in it and who step out of it, will have to wait longer to receive their fruits, and will have to endure a little. This is just speculation.
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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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He is a paid shill.

Probably a "intelligence" officer. Don't believe what you see here. It is not what it seems. Trust me.
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i say yes they are

fact - illuminatti - stay hidden, don;t yap - ie humble like god likes

fact - illuminatti - rich - which means they are favored by god or somethng


look at the anti illuminatti people. they like guns and hate jews and want to pur salt in like down syndrome babies eyes

which i think are most members

and then quote scripture and say your going to hell

not the illuminatti - they have manners, they are pure, pedestal

these are the facts

irrefutable
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That is how psychopaths mind work. They have high regards for their minds.

Criminal minds that is.

They justify it any way they can.

Read it up!
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
Indeed it is not for them to decide wither we can handel the truth.

Refusing to be part of this madness doesnt have to be a pain at all. What goes around comes around, that is a universal law. I know this from experience, however, i was never part of this madness to begin with, so i didnt partake in it even once. So i can imagine that those who did partake in it and who step out of it, will have to wait longer to receive their fruits, and will have to endure a little. This is just speculation.
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You are a wiser soul than I then.

The desire of most is to not be different than the herd. To be different is about ridicule, hate and violence. It is so much easier to do what the rest of the herd does. That is the safe way through life. The rebel is always a tougher path.

That is the way these elite keep and direct their power. Anyone that is different or does not conform is attacked.

Most would rather go along than to appear as a rebel. We create our own slavery in this way.
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
oh great


a little illuminatti kid is like walking around "la la, oh, a sick little bird, let me help it, la la "

then BAM

glp anti illuminatti racist

that wants to pour salt in his eyes and call his parents names and then buy guns and rant about obama

the evidence is clear

Illuminatti 1... glp - 0
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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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He is a paid shill.

Probably a "intelligence" officer. Don't believe what you see here. It is not what it seems. Trust me.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I don't disagree with you.
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Judge them by their fruits. Their fruits are rotten to core. Look what they are selling us. Violence, drugs, homosexuality. let's look at 9/11 and other false flag terror attacks.

They are anti Christian. They are anti good morals and love. They are labeled evil with a reason and proof.
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you lost credibility at "homosexuality" as if its a choice.
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Judge them by their fruits. Their fruits are rotten to core. Look what they are selling us. Violence, drugs, homosexuality. let's look at 9/11 and other false flag terror attacks.

They are anti Christian. They are anti good morals and love. They are labeled evil with a reason and proof.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


you lost credibility at "homosexuality" as if its a choice.
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They hate homosexuality being accepted.

It is less black-mailing material for them!!

THINK PEOPLE THINK!

(not that they have a problem with the act itself - any act!)

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Judge them by their fruits. Their fruits are rotten to core. Look what they are selling us. Violence, drugs, homosexuality. let's look at 9/11 and other false flag terror attacks.

They are anti Christian. They are anti good morals and love. They are labeled evil with a reason and proof.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


you lost credibility at "homosexuality" as if its a choice.
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So you deny the rest of what he said? His post is spot on btw.
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Hi again OP!

there are a lot of people who rely on sophisticated arguments and "secret knowledge" to persuade you theirs is the right side - this is part of the game. anyone withholding knowledge from you and only giving you a little should not be logically trusted.

einstein said "if you can explain it simply you dont know it well enough"

i think the test of "by their fruits you will know them" is simple, effective and impartial, and will always provide correct answers.

once people fall into the "oh but all this minor evil things are for the greater good" they are wilfully closing their eyes to evil behaviour of tptb and will never see the truth.

the truth is simple, plain, uncomplicated.

there are lots of people trying to confuse on this thread, but Im sure you can see through it.

hf
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Pier Paolo Pasolinni was a "faggot" that got mudered by them after describing them through a movie using as base works of Marquis de Sade who described the "elite" in them with sordid details.

He got MURDERED by the "Luciferians rebel-lovers", who have systematically killed everyone who dare to tell them who they truly are.

See Stanley Kubrick after Eyes Wide Shut.

Here is the movie:

[link to www.criterion.com]

Of course his murder was blamed on a hustler.

That is how Luciferians work.
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I like you truth minion, you seem to have your eyes open too!
hf
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Pier Paolo Pasolinni was a "faggot" that got mudered by them after describing them through a movie using as base works of Marquis de Sade who described the "elite" in them with sordid details.

He got MURDERED by the "Luciferians rebel-lovers", who have systematically killed everyone who dare to tell them who they truly are.

See Stanley Kubrick after Eyes Wide Shut.

Here is the movie:

[link to www.criterion.com]

Of course his murder was blamed on a hustler.

That is how Luciferians work.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I like you truth minion, you seem to have your eyes open too!
hf
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I liked what you said:

"there are a lot of people who rely on sophisticated arguments and "secret knowledge" to persuade you theirs is the right side - this is part of the game. anyone withholding knowledge from you and only giving you a little should not be logically trusted."

Psychopaths (=repitilians) love to bullshit their way through life.

They might have some knowledge. But not much. Or so it seems to me. Particularly.
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Pier Paolo Pasolinni was a "faggot" that got mudered by them after describing them through a movie using as base works of Marquis de Sade who described the "elite" in them with sordid details.

He got MURDERED by the "Luciferians rebel-lovers", who have systematically killed everyone who dare to tell them who they truly are.

See Stanley Kubrick after Eyes Wide Shut.

Here is the movie:

[link to www.criterion.com]

Of course his murder was blamed on a hustler.

That is how Luciferians work.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I like you truth minion, you seem to have your eyes open too!
hf
 Quoting: PallasAthene


I liked what you said:

"there are a lot of people who rely on sophisticated arguments and "secret knowledge" to persuade you theirs is the right side - this is part of the game. anyone withholding knowledge from you and only giving you a little should not be logically trusted."

Psychopaths (=repitilians) love to bullshit their way through life.

They might have some knowledge. But not much. Or so it seems to me. Particularly.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Oh yeah I agree totally, sure look at sociopaths, no empathy (not lack of empathy but none) that doesnt sound normal. and if you look up the definition of what that type is, well, pretty interesting!

Yep, as the saying goes "the emptiest vessels make the most sound" as in the people with the least knowledge often talk the most about how smart they are - the so called illuminated ones fit that description pretty well!
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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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He is a paid shill.

Probably a "intelligence" officer. Don't believe what you see here. It is not what it seems. Trust me.
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I am Illuminati

:flipperyeah:
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Who are you trying to impress or convince?

A true wise person does not need to have titles.

You are a fool I'm afraid....
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Hi again OP!

there are a lot of people who rely on sophisticated arguments and "secret knowledge" to persuade you theirs is the right side - this is part of the game. anyone withholding knowledge from you and only giving you a little should not be logically trusted.

einstein said "if you can explain it simply you dont know it well enough"

i think the test of "by their fruits you will know them" is simple, effective and impartial, and will always provide correct answers.

once people fall into the "oh but all this minor evil things are for the greater good" they are wilfully closing their eyes to evil behaviour of tptb and will never see the truth.

the truth is simple, plain, uncomplicated.

there are lots of people trying to confuse on this thread, but Im sure you can see through it.

hf
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But, it is SO hard to live to be honest. Most people would rather go along and live in this slavery than to try and break free. Why? Because the control is so complete, to break free meaning giving up EVERYTHING you hold as important in your life.

It changes everything once you decide to be free...

And to be honest. Most people that come here and talk about the slavery, live safely in the system and always will...

Just the truth.
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We should pity the ones most think are the controlling elite. They are sad, lost, suffering puppets. They sold their souls for money, power and luxury.

The real control comes from the metaphysical realm. We want to blame and attack these lost souls when most have no idea that these people need our compassion and love.

Love is the answer, not hate. I know, sounds naive doesn't it? Just the truth...

Peace
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Most want to point theirs fingers at the puppets and lay blame.

Well, if you work for a government or "defense" company. If you work for the banks or the media are you not just as controlled and a puppet as these higher level puppets?

You know you are. You don't want to admit it, because to do so changes everything! You can no longer have the nice cars, nice house, approval of family, friends or peers.

You now are the enemy of the system. How many can really handle that? Most just would rather talk, complain and keep living their "good life" as slaves.

I am not judging, just telling you what is required of us...
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So, what is the difference between being an elite puppet and most of us? Every little. Each is just trying "to get theirs" while doing as they are told.

The level of slavery and control is at all levels, from the White House to McDonalds. But most cannot or will not consider that view. It is too threatening to their lives.

It is easier to hate others...
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So, are you the "system" or are you the change you desire?

That is the real question. The freedom and true enlightenment means looking within and looking in the mirror.

You are the change you desire...
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People are SO sure that they have this con game figured out. While at the same time they live, work and play as part of the huge system we call society.

They are quick to hate and to blame, but never consider their part in the deception.

We are the slave system.

Don't believe it? I didn't think you would...
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Please watch the trailer. Better yet, watch the movie. It's all there, in a beautifully crafted story.
REVOLVER
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"The formula has infinite depth in its efficacy and application, but it is staggeringly simple and completely consistent. Rule one of any game or con, you can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent. Rule number two: The more sophisticated the game, the more sophisticated the opponent.

If the opponent is very good, he will place his victim inside an environment he can control. The bigger the environment, the easier the control. He’ll toss the dog a bone, find their weakness, give them just a little of what they think they want. So the opponent simply distracts their victim by getting them consumed with their own consumption… The bigger the trick and older the trick, the easier it is to pull, based on two principles: They think it can’t be that old, or they think it can’t be that big for so many people to have fallen for it.

Eventually, when the opponent is challenged or questioned, it means the victim’s investment, and thus his intelligence, is questioned. No one can accept that. Not even to themselves.”


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"You will always find a good opponent, in the very last place you would ever look."
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Trapped between muzzie and hard spot....
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"You will always find a good opponent, in the very last place you would ever look."
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Yes!
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Re: I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?
The Illuminati should not be confused with TPTB.

TPTB are the moneymasters (central banking) and their minions the corporations and politicians.

The term Illuminati is so broad as their are so many different groups claiming to be the Illuminati. Some people lump them all together but the varying groups are vastly different.

Some Illuminati are the good guys, arch-enemies of TPTB but some Illuminati are also Gnostic and have very weird ideas on God like The Demiurge being the God of this material creation and a much Higher original God far beyond. It's very complicated and worse TPTB obfuscate the whole thing by throwing in red herring groups that call themselves Illuminati when in fact they are TPTB.

So to summarize:

TPTB rule the world and are the "bad" guys.

Some Illuminati really are the "good" guys but probably would never call themselves Illuminati.

Some Illuminati are not really Illuminati and are pretty much just nutz pretending.

Some Illuminati are really TPTB.

What a mess huh?

Pretty much anyone claiming to be Illuminati outright should be evaluated very carefully and is probably not.

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