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I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?

 
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Judge them by their fruits. Their fruits are rotten to core. Look what they are selling us. Violence, drugs, homosexuality. let's look at 9/11 and other false flag terror attacks.

They are anti Christian. They are anti good morals and love. They are labeled evil with a reason and proof.
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you lost credibility at "homosexuality" as if its a choice.
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So you deny the rest of what he said? His post is spot on btw.
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Hi again OP!

there are a lot of people who rely on sophisticated arguments and "secret knowledge" to persuade you theirs is the right side - this is part of the game. anyone withholding knowledge from you and only giving you a little should not be logically trusted.

einstein said "if you can explain it simply you dont know it well enough"

i think the test of "by their fruits you will know them" is simple, effective and impartial, and will always provide correct answers.

once people fall into the "oh but all this minor evil things are for the greater good" they are wilfully closing their eyes to evil behaviour of tptb and will never see the truth.

the truth is simple, plain, uncomplicated.

there are lots of people trying to confuse on this thread, but Im sure you can see through it.

hf
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Pier Paolo Pasolinni was a "faggot" that got mudered by them after describing them through a movie using as base works of Marquis de Sade who described the "elite" in them with sordid details.

He got MURDERED by the "Luciferians rebel-lovers", who have systematically killed everyone who dare to tell them who they truly are.

See Stanley Kubrick after Eyes Wide Shut.

Here is the movie:

[link to www.criterion.com]

Of course his murder was blamed on a hustler.

That is how Luciferians work.
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I like you truth minion, you seem to have your eyes open too!
hf
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Pier Paolo Pasolinni was a "faggot" that got mudered by them after describing them through a movie using as base works of Marquis de Sade who described the "elite" in them with sordid details.

He got MURDERED by the "Luciferians rebel-lovers", who have systematically killed everyone who dare to tell them who they truly are.

See Stanley Kubrick after Eyes Wide Shut.

Here is the movie:

[link to www.criterion.com]

Of course his murder was blamed on a hustler.

That is how Luciferians work.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I like you truth minion, you seem to have your eyes open too!
hf
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I liked what you said:

"there are a lot of people who rely on sophisticated arguments and "secret knowledge" to persuade you theirs is the right side - this is part of the game. anyone withholding knowledge from you and only giving you a little should not be logically trusted."

Psychopaths (=repitilians) love to bullshit their way through life.

They might have some knowledge. But not much. Or so it seems to me. Particularly.
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Oh yeah I agree totally, sure look at sociopaths, no empathy (not lack of empathy but none) that doesnt sound normal. and if you look up the definition of what that type is, well, pretty interesting!

Yep, as the saying goes "the emptiest vessels make the most sound" as in the people with the least knowledge often talk the most about how smart they are - the so called illuminated ones fit that description pretty well!
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Let me give you guys a little example of the arrogance I am talking about.

A poster here called "Open Your Eyes" stated earlier that he was a member of the Illuminati. Then he that he was one of the "good guys". When asked for information he in a round about way hints that we aren't ready for that information.

I hate pointing this person out or whether he is or isn't with this group. BUT, it is exactly the attitude we are dealing with. "We" know more than you and are your master. We control your world and run the world. You are too backward to yet handle real power.

That is what we are dealing with. Until we all refuse to be part of this madness and stop being their cattle/resource nothing will change.

But, doing that will hurt a lot! Are you ready for that kind of pain. I doubt it!

So, where are we now? Back where we started.

Just talking...
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He is a paid shill.

Probably a "intelligence" officer. Don't believe what you see here. It is not what it seems. Trust me.
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I am Illuminati

:flipperyeah:
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Who are you trying to impress or convince?

A true wise person does not need to have titles.

You are a fool I'm afraid....
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Hi again OP!

there are a lot of people who rely on sophisticated arguments and "secret knowledge" to persuade you theirs is the right side - this is part of the game. anyone withholding knowledge from you and only giving you a little should not be logically trusted.

einstein said "if you can explain it simply you dont know it well enough"

i think the test of "by their fruits you will know them" is simple, effective and impartial, and will always provide correct answers.

once people fall into the "oh but all this minor evil things are for the greater good" they are wilfully closing their eyes to evil behaviour of tptb and will never see the truth.

the truth is simple, plain, uncomplicated.

there are lots of people trying to confuse on this thread, but Im sure you can see through it.

hf
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But, it is SO hard to live to be honest. Most people would rather go along and live in this slavery than to try and break free. Why? Because the control is so complete, to break free meaning giving up EVERYTHING you hold as important in your life.

It changes everything once you decide to be free...

And to be honest. Most people that come here and talk about the slavery, live safely in the system and always will...

Just the truth.
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We should pity the ones most think are the controlling elite. They are sad, lost, suffering puppets. They sold their souls for money, power and luxury.

The real control comes from the metaphysical realm. We want to blame and attack these lost souls when most have no idea that these people need our compassion and love.

Love is the answer, not hate. I know, sounds naive doesn't it? Just the truth...

Peace
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Most want to point theirs fingers at the puppets and lay blame.

Well, if you work for a government or "defense" company. If you work for the banks or the media are you not just as controlled and a puppet as these higher level puppets?

You know you are. You don't want to admit it, because to do so changes everything! You can no longer have the nice cars, nice house, approval of family, friends or peers.

You now are the enemy of the system. How many can really handle that? Most just would rather talk, complain and keep living their "good life" as slaves.

I am not judging, just telling you what is required of us...
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So, what is the difference between being an elite puppet and most of us? Every little. Each is just trying "to get theirs" while doing as they are told.

The level of slavery and control is at all levels, from the White House to McDonalds. But most cannot or will not consider that view. It is too threatening to their lives.

It is easier to hate others...
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So, are you the "system" or are you the change you desire?

That is the real question. The freedom and true enlightenment means looking within and looking in the mirror.

You are the change you desire...
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People are SO sure that they have this con game figured out. While at the same time they live, work and play as part of the huge system we call society.

They are quick to hate and to blame, but never consider their part in the deception.

We are the slave system.

Don't believe it? I didn't think you would...
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Thread: Jake Green is Dissolving the Ego
Dissolving the Ego
Please watch the trailer. Better yet, watch the movie. It's all there, in a beautifully crafted story.
REVOLVER
[link to www.imdb.com]

"The formula has infinite depth in its efficacy and application, but it is staggeringly simple and completely consistent. Rule one of any game or con, you can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent. Rule number two: The more sophisticated the game, the more sophisticated the opponent.

If the opponent is very good, he will place his victim inside an environment he can control. The bigger the environment, the easier the control. He’ll toss the dog a bone, find their weakness, give them just a little of what they think they want. So the opponent simply distracts their victim by getting them consumed with their own consumption… The bigger the trick and older the trick, the easier it is to pull, based on two principles: They think it can’t be that old, or they think it can’t be that big for so many people to have fallen for it.

Eventually, when the opponent is challenged or questioned, it means the victim’s investment, and thus his intelligence, is questioned. No one can accept that. Not even to themselves.”


~ REVOLVER




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"You will always find a good opponent, in the very last place you would ever look."
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Trapped between muzzie and hard spot....
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"You will always find a good opponent, in the very last place you would ever look."
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 Quoting: Septenary Man


Yes!
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The Illuminati should not be confused with TPTB.

TPTB are the moneymasters (central banking) and their minions the corporations and politicians.

The term Illuminati is so broad as their are so many different groups claiming to be the Illuminati. Some people lump them all together but the varying groups are vastly different.

Some Illuminati are the good guys, arch-enemies of TPTB but some Illuminati are also Gnostic and have very weird ideas on God like The Demiurge being the God of this material creation and a much Higher original God far beyond. It's very complicated and worse TPTB obfuscate the whole thing by throwing in red herring groups that call themselves Illuminati when in fact they are TPTB.

So to summarize:

TPTB rule the world and are the "bad" guys.

Some Illuminati really are the "good" guys but probably would never call themselves Illuminati.

Some Illuminati are not really Illuminati and are pretty much just nutz pretending.

Some Illuminati are really TPTB.

What a mess huh?

Pretty much anyone claiming to be Illuminati outright should be evaluated very carefully and is probably not.

Best Wishes
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I'm liking this thread, ty! - their message below 'resonates'.
(before i forget, something would not bother some, if it were not there).
Hooray! Someone on GLP finally thinking outside the box, separating themselves from the sheeple flock.

A few years ago a mysterious person with the handle of 'Hidden hand' appeared on some conspiracy sites & it caused quite a stir, it is obvious now that the main HH was a fraud.

Then a link appeared to a freaky website, of which gets you autobanned now if you post it, directing you to an alledged communications cell of the Pythagorean Illuminati.

The admins of this site say it was to give the Illuminati's side of the story, which is exactly in line with what the OP is getting at.

The authors of the website have since released some books, they had a Facebook page which contained the following preamble:

The Illuminati is an ancient secret society that seeks
to bring about a New World Order based on the principle that everyone has it within them to literally become God. This book will present the Illuminati's radical vision for a new humanity and provides a full account of the inner divinity of the human race.

The ten most influential Grand Masters of the Illuminati are: King Solomon the Apostate, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, Simon Magus, Hypatia, Leibniz, Weishaupt, Goethe and Hegel. If these figures are not of interest to you then it would be pointless for you to venture any further into this topic.

This is not a book for the faint-hearted.
It contains an enormous amount of philosophical, psychological, political, historical, scientific and religious content.
If you are interested in embarking on the spiritual journey of your life then you have opened the door to a mansion of wonders. If, however, you have come in search of aliens, pan-dimensional lizards and evil Illuminists relentlessly plotting against the ordinary people of the world then you have arrived at the wrong destination!
Makow, Icke, Jones and their ilk will be more to your taste.

The aim, as it has always been, is to overthrow the network of elite, dynastic families of wealth and privilege that we refer to as the "Old World Order" who have run this world since the dawn of civilization, to their maximum advantage and to the extreme detriment of the people.

The Illuminati is a radical and indeed revolutionary organization that seeks nothing less than to assist the ordinary men and women of the human race to ascend to the next stage of humanity's divine evolution. We, The Illuminati describes this higher level as the "Community of Gods" or the "Society of the Divine."

It's time to end the reign of the false prophets, the fake gods and the tawdry idols that we call "celebrities". We're sick of the bankers and traders, the lawyers and accountants, the politicians and their "special advisers" the lobbyists and spin doctors, the agents and gatekeepers, the CEOs and chairmen, the advertisers and marketing men. We're sick of all the same faces of the "top" people and their relentless tricks and tactics to keep enriching themselves at the people's expense. We're sick of the government's "Freedumb and Dumbocracy" that cons people into voting for the rich and the apologists for the rich, and we're sick of the Abrahamic religions that keep billions of people on their knees as slaves to a tyrant masquerading as God.

You know that humanity is capable of so much more. Isn't it time to bring about real change? Isn't it time to seize your divine inheritance?

We are The Illuminati.
The messengers of the True God.
Our sacred mission is to bring humanity into full union with the True God so that there is no longer any distinction between the human race and the divine essence.
The Order is able to show how this can be achieved using Einstein's theories of special and general relativity, and quantum mechanics. It's time for humanity to open its eyes and see the divine light for the first time.
Our religion is called Illumination.
We have emerged from the shadows to cast the light of Abraxas, the True God, on this benighted world; to bring Illumination - enlightenment - to everyone.

They had to close the Facebook page because too many idiots were causing trouble.

This link takes you to the authors recent releases of books that deal with the topic matter.

[link to www.smashwords.com]

Believe their work, dont believe it, I just can't be fucked dealing with all the fuckwits who rant on about all the disinfo & misinfo anymore
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So, what is the difference between being an elite puppet and most of us? Every little. Each is just trying "to get theirs" while doing as they are told.

The level of slavery and control is at all levels, from the White House to McDonalds. But most cannot or will not consider that view. It is too threatening to their lives.

It is easier to hate others...
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If i can say "No" to being a puppet then so can they.
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It depends, if you call slaughtering millions in war, child sacrifice/cannibalism, pedophilia, sex trafficking, brainwashing, etc. good, then the much of the current ruling elite are good.
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If I give you an order that you know is wrong, and you follow it out, then am I more evil than you?
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It depends, if you call slaughtering millions in war, child sacrifice/cannibalism, pedophilia, sex trafficking, brainwashing, etc. good, then the much of the current ruling elite are good.
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If I give you an order that you know is wrong, and you follow it out, then am I more evil than you?
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Exactly! This is the best post yet! If we all asked this question and refused to do what we know is wrong, the slavery would end today!

But few are willing to make this sacrifice....
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He is a paid shill.

Probably a "intelligence" officer. Don't believe what you see here. It is not what it seems. Trust me.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I am Illuminati

:flipperyeah:
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Who are you trying to impress or convince?

A true wise person does not need to have titles.

You are a fool I'm afraid....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39948019


Do you try and impress your kids? Your Partner?

Did your kids call you Daddy?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes
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I did mean to add my silly opinion, as someone that was Intensely swayed by the name-dropping.
He is really spoooky, for sure, but who on glp doesn't like spooky? And he's always talking about a love story - and that's delightful - really- LOVE is definitely a TRUTH that we can ALL hold onto in these times.

-more on topic, there is vileness from the tippity-top to the bottom. One's station, or caste, doesn't make it so, one's character does.
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Sorry but the illuminuti (its illuminati but I say illuminuties, because you have to be nuts to think that you can defeat the Almighty God) bankers are responsible for all of the pain and suffering of the masses!! And the Great and the Almighty God of Heaven will be defeating them all, and having them all judged and swimming in fire and brimstone, forever and ever in the near future. They are the epitome of evil; and they follow their lord Satan, who has taught them to dominate through murder and theft and great genocides and wars!! And their agonies will be extremely harsh and very agonizingly painful, forever and ever and ever!!
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And exactly do you know this? Because some conspiracy site like this one said so? Think about it. The information is all hearsay. I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I am starting to wonder if this isn't a double con game going on.

It is so easy to point fingers with no proof.
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When I gave my life to Jesus Christ, 29 years ago, God taught me all of this from reading my Bible and going to church and listening to more qualified and older preachers. And I was ordained on July 4th of 1976 myself. So I am an authority on God and His Kingdom and Satan, whom obviously have you in his camp also. And you will cook and fry and cry exceedingly when and if you die without Jesus as your Only Lord and Saviour!! And you can't blame us for your doomed and utter eternal agonies!! Because you have been told and warned!!

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