I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?

Nice to see you here 13thSun.

Peace

I am very aware of it. I am living it...

So, who are the two opposing forces?

My guess:

Draconian/Luciferian/Illuminati/church

The other:
Sirius/Nagas/Serpent Race/Jews(real jews)/Great White Brotherhood

Is this right?

theyre rich, your uncared for

I don't need a caretaker.

I just need to be left alone...

How many will believe it?

I agree with this.

Why are people so attached to the drama, fear and hate of politics they have no part of really?

Like having fun watching soap opera...

Somewhat new here, but yesterday in another thread I spoke of us confusing the ruler with that which is being measured, with matter being the rule we take as being reality. Take money for example as being such a measuring stick... To go further, numbers themselves are what is real. So is the ruler I speak of hell?

I think TPTB know something's going to happen with our planet and there is no use telling us, or at least "they" have decided, maybe rightly so, not to tell us.

That's why there's been all this "kicking the can down the road." They know somethings going to happen soon, just not exactly when and they're trying to keep "business as usual" until it does.

They are actually not intending to harm us, but trying to keep us placated for what they feel, is our own good. Right or wrong, they feel this is best.

However, I do feel that some if not all the elite, are just taking advantage of the situation... and thereby, unknowingly bringing about their own demise.

I would say it slightly different. Hell on earth is the suffering caused by deception, control and fear. These are caused and controlled by a race of beings that hate humanity. What you say is not wrong, but the suffering is at a higher level, in my view.

Ah, so true.

Trying to save themselves by going underground or to Mars while leaving us to die will not save them though...

Hooray! Someone on GLP finally thinking outside the box, separating themselves from the sheeple flock.

A few years ago a mysterious person with the handle of 'Hidden hand' appeared on some conspiracy sites & it caused quite a stir, it is obvious now that the main HH was a fraud.

Then a link appeared to a freaky website, of which gets you autobanned now if you post it, directing you to an alledged communications cell of the Pythagorean Illuminati.

The admins of this site say it was to give the Illuminati's side of the story, which is exactly in line with what the OP is getting at.

The authors of the website have since released some books, they had a Facebook page which contained the following preamble:

The Illuminati is an ancient secret society that seeks
to bring about a New World Order based on the principle that everyone has it within them to literally become God. This book will present the Illuminati's radical vision for a new humanity and provides a full account of the inner divinity of the human race.

The ten most influential Grand Masters of the Illuminati are: King Solomon the Apostate, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, Simon Magus, Hypatia, Leibniz, Weishaupt, Goethe and Hegel. If these figures are not of interest to you then it would be pointless for you to venture any further into this topic.

This is not a book for the faint-hearted.
It contains an enormous amount of philosophical, psychological, political, historical, scientific and religious content.
If you are interested in embarking on the spiritual journey of your life then you have opened the door to a mansion of wonders. If, however, you have come in search of aliens, pan-dimensional lizards and evil Illuminists relentlessly plotting against the ordinary people of the world then you have arrived at the wrong destination!
Makow, Icke, Jones and their ilk will be more to your taste.

The aim, as it has always been, is to overthrow the network of elite, dynastic families of wealth and privilege that we refer to as the "Old World Order" who have run this world since the dawn of civilization, to their maximum advantage and to the extreme detriment of the people.

The Illuminati is a radical and indeed revolutionary organization that seeks nothing less than to assist the ordinary men and women of the human race to ascend to the next stage of humanity's divine evolution. We, The Illuminati describes this higher level as the "Community of Gods" or the "Society of the Divine."

It's time to end the reign of the false prophets, the fake gods and the tawdry idols that we call "celebrities". We're sick of the bankers and traders, the lawyers and accountants, the politicians and their "special advisers" the lobbyists and spin doctors, the agents and gatekeepers, the CEOs and chairmen, the advertisers and marketing men. We're sick of all the same faces of the "top" people and their relentless tricks and tactics to keep enriching themselves at the people's expense. We're sick of the government's "Freedumb and Dumbocracy" that cons people into voting for the rich and the apologists for the rich, and we're sick of the Abrahamic religions that keep billions of people on their knees as slaves to a tyrant masquerading as God.

You know that humanity is capable of so much more. Isn't it time to bring about real change? Isn't it time to seize your divine inheritance?

We are The Illuminati.
The messengers of the True God.
Our sacred mission is to bring humanity into full union with the True God so that there is no longer any distinction between the human race and the divine essence.
The Order is able to show how this can be achieved using Einstein's theories of special and general relativity, and quantum mechanics. It's time for humanity to open its eyes and see the divine light for the first time.
Our religion is called Illumination.
We have emerged from the shadows to cast the light of Abraxas, the True God, on this benighted world; to bring Illumination - enlightenment - to everyone.

They had to close the Facebook page because too many idiots were causing trouble.

This link takes you to the authors recent releases of books that deal with the topic matter.

[link to www.smashwords.com]

Believe their work, dont believe it, I just can't be fucked dealing with all the fuckwits who rant on about all the disinfo & misinfo anymore

A side note to my above post (so as y'all dont get intimidated by a wall of text) is that the website said that the Hidden Hand person was a member of the Illuminati who had a nervous breakdown, this would explain why to someone who knew nothing about these matters (including me at the time) would be so mesmerized by the information he imparted.

I can see all the replies now: "you have been duped by these satanic pedophile monsters!!!" "That info is just more disinfo by those scum," yada, yada yada; blah blah fucking blah.

But the information these guys impart, whether they are Illuminati or not, is utterly profound!! And yes, it may be an elaborate hoax & even a prank, but elaborate would be THE FUCKING UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE FUCKING MILLENIA!!!!

And here's the thing: the books are cheap, the only reason they charge now at all is some cocksuckers were plagiarizing them (one person, who thinks he's the illegitimate offspring to the Russian royal family had help, guess who??

The Eleusinian Mysteries

If H H was really who he says he was then would he not be dead by now? I've seen a few of his posts too.

Do you doubt humanity so much that you cant believe anyone could have a mathematical etc breakthrough?

You dont see the illumaniti making art or writing poetry very often do you? Dont quote Salvador Dali because he ripped his ideas off Hieronomus Bosch from the 1500's. This gives you some idea into their minds.

You (we) are...

Think about it.. Do you really think mankind could do better in this point in time?

I mean really? Not some idealistic BS but what would people be capable of. Most folks just want to egotrip.

Whose are human words, go seek a doctor.

Sorry OP, not brushing your view aside, but I was directing the question to Open your Eyes

Or how about this - what if they are ALL wrong? What if it is the duality itself, the belief that there must be a right/wrong, a good/bad, a truth/lies - what if that in itself is the root of all conflict?

And I'm not talking about a New Age-y kind of "we're all one" mantra with no weight here. I am talking about a concrete realization that our whole existence, spent trying to figure out who or what is good, and who or what is bad, is simply a psychological treadmill they keep us on to prevent us from realizing that ultimately, when it comes right down to the brass tacks, we all want and need the very same things. It's just that they have manufactured, labeled, packaged, distributed and marketed so many different versions of the same things - ideas, beliefs, religions, political systems - that it has become increasingly impossible to see the common source from which it all streams.

I mean, think about how much time we as a species spend defending our beliefs/ideas/philosophy as being the "right one," while at the same time spending time/money/lives trying to destroy or discredit those who are "wrong." Think about this for a minute : if there were 3 islands in the middle of a great ocean, each island had people who followed their own distinct religion, and none of the people from any of the islands could ever leave or interact with anyone from any of the other islands, would not all the people on each of them, all with different religions, believe wholeheartedly that surely, theirs must be THE true religion, even if it was the only one they knew of?

It would only be when meeting people from the other islands that the arguments would start, over whose is "right" and whose is "wrong." But why would one have to be right, and the other wrong? Could there not be truths that were evident in both/all of the religions? And if, instead of focusing on the differences and trying to convince the others that ours was the 'true' religion, we instead let them believe as they wish respectfully, and tried to find the commonalities in both, might we not be able to find, or create even a NEW religion that is a blend of the best of both? And would not THAT religion be closer to any truth their might be, having taken the best of what was there to make something new?

Of course, this would require us all to be very open-minded, to lay down all our prejudices and preconceptions and be willing to look at things anew. And sadly, I think that as a species, we are so addicted to conflict, pride and ego, that it seems nearly impossible that anything like this could ever happen.

However, there are people out there, and it seems a growing number of them, who could and would willingly participate in such a discussion to discover a new Truth. But the Illuminati, God, the devil, the liberals, the conservatives, the good and the bad, they all have us too busy defending "our beliefs" to be able to spend even a necessary moment contemplating whether or not we are so sure that what we are putting our belief in is THE truth. As long as it feels right, and it's what we're used to, what we identify as, that's good enough for us.

And though they would NEVER admit it (most likely they wouldn't anyway), it is fear more than anything that motivates people to do what they do, to not do what they won't do, and to avoid opening themselves to something new. And THAT - instilling FEAR - is what our current system, all of it, is sooooo good at. Fear of God, fear of the Godless, fear of Muslims, Jews, Christians, fear of the government, fear of the conspiracy theorists, fear of - you get the idea. Pick a side, and let the game begin! Because in the end, as long as we keep playing the game, failing to realize that there ARE NO WINNERS as long as we keep playing, we all lose. And "they," whoever they are, know that - they always have.

Maybe the search for truth is what brings forth conflict, for truth can only ever be subjective, therefore will always be interpretation. Your truth can only ever be true to you. The act of searching is to say what we look for is not there, of which has us chasing that golden carrot on a stick. What if we each are to become the truth instead of searching for it collectively?

This is the OP. This thread has been kind of hard on me if you catch my meaning. Why? Have I hit a nerve?

I still don't know who the two opposing sides are in this metaphysical battle. But I'm sure that a major war is going on that most are not even aware of.

There is SO much propaganda, lies and deception going on, most humans don't have a clue what to believe...

This is all much more amazing and powerful than most can imagine...

So many spies, double agents and double crosses. Few can follow the real truth.

Maybe that is as planned..

listen, as the saying goes "by their fruits you'll know them"

so what do tptb produce? is it good? theres your answer

The alchemists believe that only by the fire of the crucible does a change occur.

This is the final trial/test. All weapons and tricks have been used. Nothing is being held back now...

This is the time of truth...

That feels right to me. I agree. Thank you. This thread is causing issues and I'm surprised at that. It tells me that you and I are right about some things...

*smile* You have no idea! I'm just getting started...

Only if TPTB are hiding something. The truth should not cause conflict, but peace...