I have no proof or knowledge of this, but what if the ruling elite and the Illuminati are the good guys?

Yep I agree with you, although sometimes a lot of conflicting info can confuse people eg. oh tptb are about knowledge so they must be good. then you think, um, what have they done with this knowledge? crashed stock markets, wars etc so cant be good.

thats the test I always apply, what the effect is of their actions.

you left out drug dealing and for profit prisons of those same people dealing their drugs

I use a test that seems to fit me pretty well. If some one or some group pushes me hard to accept their point of view or agenda, I become even more hard headed.

I put this thread out as a "feeler" to see what response it would attract. I am more sure than before that there is a double con taking place and I need to be very careful about who I see as the "heros" in this drama...

Thank you for your wise posts my friend.

well if you have any knowledge of the bible the 4th beast is to be the forth kingdom upon the earth and it spreads out killing and murdering from one corner of the globe to the other... now look at what the elite/illumaniti are doing in the middle east and look what they are doing with their vaccine campaign.. and global population agenda... how can anyone conceive that they are good and not completely evil. anyone can see that there is nothing good about them... you would have to be severely mentally retarded or one of them...

In a sense, OP, you are correct. This is because most sheeple lack the intelligence and motivation required for self-determination.

Left to their own devices, they will simply fornicate, drink and masturbate when unable to fornicate.

It's much better that we put them to some use - so that WE, the smart people - can have more shit to play with and work less.

Yes, I am the same, people seem to forget that the era of propaganda is not over.

I wouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that tptb are really the good guys. You have looked into the 8 pointed star, the Orion connection (seal of Solomon the 8 pointed star is a pictogram representing Orion) Orion (the hunter is Nimrod - topical point, the US and UK fighters one was called Nimrod the other Orion.) 8 pointed star on UK flag = Nimrod worship, knights templar Malta cross has 8 points = Nimrod, they were trying to keep the Grail aka Nimrod worship.

Nimrod was worshipped in Bablyon etc as a "mighty man" aka nephilim hybrid. The masons worship Nimrod as the founder of the Masons, associated with the tower of Babel and lucifer worship.

[link to futurestorm.blogspot.co.uk]

there is an Oath of Nimrod today in Masonic lodges.

Now there is a brief description of who Nimrod was. Nimrod also was married to Semiramis who is known as "the Queen of heaven" (this is where the RC church get their Bablyon worship from)

Semiramis was Nimrods own mother, who he married. Semiramis is Ishtar or Isis (Isis in Egyptian is the perfect woman, do you think a woman who was previously a prostitute and married her own son is a good role model? Rihanna has a tattoo of her, anyway)

Okay, so Semiramis has Nimrod murdered (she ruled for 42 years) and had a son, illegitamely but she said that Nimrods spirit impregnated her. Her son was Gilgamesh (of the Epic story) and they were then known as the Madonna and child. so when you see those statutes in churches, that is what they really mean. this has been translated as Aphrodite and adonis in greece etc etc

do you know this info? sorry to ramble on but i wanted to put who was the first mason into words there, so you know the origins of tptb

Don't be a SUCKER...

Problem...Reaction...Solution...

The Psychopaths ("elite" as YOU refer to them)

Problem...
Create the problem using their "Tools", "Stooges", and "Goons".

Reaction...
The Psychopaths control the reaction through their Control of the Media Stooges.

Solution...
Finally the Psychopath "steps in" to "Save the Day" in the midst of carnage, mayhem, destruction that they have created, providing a "Solution" that the Psychopath wanted all along.

And of course the Psychopath is mesmerized, relishes and enjoys the whole process of this deception.

Wake...Up...

OP here.

You don't understand, I am aware of the agenda. The question is WHO the real manipulators are. The government? I doubt it. The bankers? No.

So, how can we really tell who these people are? You can't believe what other slaves tell you is right. They are just repeating the lies.

It's not as easy as you think...

I'm no longer falling for anything my friend.

I now understand that the only person that I can believe is my own heart.

Peace

It's kind of interesting that this thread as caused me to be *b*a*n*n*e*d* now 5 times!

WHY? What was said here that upset people? The truth maybe???

Be VERY careful what others here tell you is going on! Trust NO ONE!

I will get removed here again soon.

Peace

First of all, stop using the description tptb, for that is you, and in doing so has you already on the back foot from the get go. You are right OP, their is deception all around us, which is why I say truth can only be seen in becoming it your self. 2 man standing across from one another in a room, looking a lamp, agree that yes it is a lamp. But their subjective experiences of that lamp differs, one sees a different pattern from where he stands, while the other sees a shadow cast. One smells the heat emitting from the bulb onto the shade, as the other smells the aftershave of man standing across from him. Faith is simply taking another persons subjective experience as being "truth"

A new one world belief system has been created without most even knowing. Scientific materialism. Think of the "faith" being placed in that, with medicine, technology etc that is shaping this so called reality.

Why do people believe the truth will show up on the web? Would the real controllers twist, confuse and hide any truth that leaks out?

But, people read some BS and then parrot it all over the web! And even write books about these lies? Why? Are they aware that what they are saying is lies?

I doubt it in most cases...

I will explain once why "they" are the "good guys".

In order to take them out, we have to rally our own forces, form small communities, and undermine the pyramid.

"They" are waiting for us to unite, again.

In love

It's the only way.

Then why would "they" be destroying Mother Earth? Raping the resources like there is no tomorrow. I can't how they care for us when they are destroying this planet.

No, what you are saying doesn't make sense...

Until we look at all as interconnected, nothing will make sense.

Focus on you. Forget the world. Love yourself, it will be the last thing you ever need to do.

I know that sounded contradictory to my previous statement but..

"you" to I am referring is everything- the whole universe - you are the dreamer

Love you

It surprises me that people still continue to dodge the Truth, and consume culture and other people's ideas/dreams/beliefs.

After getting away from all of the crap for a few years, I've gotten out of it something of actual value. Myself.

(row row row your boat, life is but a dream...)

Nothing exists. Everything is unreal.





Tomorrow comes today - The point of life is 'Here' and 'Now'

'One' is something nobody can really deny. Everything is interconnected - without You, we would not exist.

I honestly believe wholeheartedly that LOVE is ALL YOU NEED.


Love happens to be all that exists "out there" in the Universe. Rest assure that nobody wishes harm upon you.

Just about done with all this.

What is real?

What is an illusion?

What is time?

Who and What are we?

I am taking a very long, much needed respite.

If you are into pedophilia and stuff like that, they would be the good guys from your perspective.

As the OP said early on, I also believe that what is going on is a battle between two groups.

But, knowing who these two groups actually are is the key issue here.

Everyone keeps talking around this question I think.

we are each the 2 opposing groups

Can you define and name them please? What known groups have loyalty to each?

I don't understand what you mean?

You are right! But, they, at this moment, believe they 'know' that they are the bad ones!!!!
The Supreme Puppet master is 'HIM', the 'ONE' responsible for ALL that was, is and EVER will be.
Believe in 'HIM' as 'HE' believes in you
Bless you
Stephen
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Too many pronouns! Who exactly are you talking about? What groups? Deities. Societies?

Do you know or are you just passing on what you have heard around here?

I am beginning to understand that the suffering, control and lies are made so easy by the groups manipulating humans for thousands of years.

All you have to do is to give the people some information that is about 75% true and then add in 25% lies and misdirection. They will not only then be misled and confused, but will pass it one to others as if it were facts! People want SO badly to make like they have access to some "secret" knowledge.

When it truth, they are just acting as the controlling elite's lies.

The only hope is to not believe anything we are told and just follow our heart. That is the only hope.

We can't get help from others or help others. This is all about our own personal escape from this prison...

Now I'm depressed...

Why are you surprised? They all have their own bias/beliefs that they treat as truth. They meaning the posters here.

All they have ever heard is bad things about Illuminati and 'ruling' Elites. The feeling of disenfranchisement only stokes these fires, and many enemies or opposing factions use it as a tool.

Of course a thread like this will ruffle feathers. Every single thread of this nature is treated in the same way. This is nothing new.

You are not special. Many, many, many posters here get banned over and over and over.

As always, you speak wisdom my friend.

I am beginning to understand that the truth is a very personal thing.

Also, the real truth will be understood by such a small few...