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If there was no Noah's flood..... explain this.

 
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gophers?
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hahah really!? You think a 30 day flood (or whatever the amount of time was) could do that?
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hahah really!? You think a 30 day flood (or whatever the amount of time was) could do that?
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Do you really think the Colorado River did that, being that it enters 4,200 feet below the surface?

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Contains a little science but here is a much better explanation...


Belief Does Not Equal Reality

Its not that conspiracy theorists are ignorant. It's that so much of what they know to be true is wrong.

Sometimes the truth sounds like an insult when you are not use to hearing it.

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Contains a little science but here is a much better explanation...


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The canyon is 18 miles wide because tributaries widened it?
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I didn't see a single vertical down flow in 277 miles.
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hahah really!? You think a 30 day flood (or whatever the amount of time was) could do that?
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Enough water in a short amount of time can do some interesting things....

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Nope. The example of huge glacial floods is the Scab-lands of the Pacific-northwest. That was carved by deep fast moving water. The Grand Canyon (and the portion of the Snake River Canyon that crosses a mountain range) was a rift in the earths crust. The dynamics for that is crust that solidifies some distance below the surface. As that solid piece of rock is pushed up it has to adapt to a new radian and going up it means expansion so a crack will appear.





Using the Bible's version it appears that the rain that fell on the high hills and mountain tops fell as snow or freezing rain as it was 150 days before the tops of the mountains could be seen again. Perhaps that was the first winter, using the day for a year thing it would mean the flood was 360,000 years in total. the first 40,000 saw lots of rain and a build-up on the higher elevations. Once the rain stopped it was another 150,000 years before the snow has melted to a certain degree. It took the rest of that full time before the changes were complete. For the unbeliever that can represent the last ice-age and the 'story' represents that whole time frame. Reality would be shocked to find that both the long and short versions were done as outlined.

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I think you're on to something here but.... where they all hiding?
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Did you ever hear about the "Ice Age"



Do you think the ice melted and that's why we aren't covered in ice now?

And where would all that water go?


Water causes erosion over time....

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Water flows downhill....just like the elevation figures mentioned in the video...The water is still running downhill...
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Well I totally believe in the ancient flood of Noah, how else did the Dino's become extinct , and speaking of Dino's and Noah's flood, they were the result of the fallen angels genetic manipulation of animals DNA. I saw it in the Dead Sea scrolls, the book of Enoch, Jasher, genesis, and Sumer. So much for the theory of evolution, rather the theory of genetic manipulation, that is more accurate. It's a shame that ppl suppress the truth.
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Why arent there Grand Canyons everywhere then Op? and why isnt it in a straight line?
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There's a phrase in Latin that translates to " I could explain it but you wouldn't understand "

I won't post it because you wouldn't understand.

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I'll explain it. its bollocks, there . explained
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If there were no dragons then why are dragons mentioned in history.And unicorns.It's only a horse with a horn ffs.
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Why arent there Grand Canyons everywhere then Op? and why isnt it in a straight line?
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Good questions. It may have to do with the soil being soft/hard causing the twisting, but the Colorado River didn't form it because it enters the canyon 4,200 below the surface. This is like trying to figure out if the 500' 'boat' on Mt Ararat is Noah's Ark.
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There's a phrase in Latin that translates to " I could explain it but you wouldn't understand "

I won't post it because you wouldn't understand.

cruise
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I missed that
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Explain the driftless region in Wisconsin, glaciers never touched it.
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Well I totally believe in the ancient flood of Noah, how else did the Dino's become extinct , and speaking of Dino's and Noah's flood, they were the result of the fallen angels genetic manipulation of animals DNA. I saw it in the Dead Sea scrolls, the book of Enoch, Jasher, genesis, and Sumer. So much for the theory of evolution, rather the theory of genetic manipulation, that is more accurate. It's a shame that ppl suppress the truth.
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k, thanks
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This is like trying to figure out if the 500' 'boat' on Mt Ararat is Noah's Ark.
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We don't even know what gopher wood is. Porous wood covered with pitch would be instant fire wood so I doubt the carcase of the Ark was declared a heritage site. Water-proof roof while sitting and watch the grapevines grow (wine, some things never change)
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[link to i.imgur.com]

I wouldn't even bother calling it "noah's" flood, the whole idea of a boat doing what it was said to of done and achieved, is absurd, one has to either be completely ignorant of basic science, or perform an almost impressive amount of mental gymnastics in order to make the science "work".

The canyons were formed by glacial floods. If you want to say otherwise, you have to do the explaining to the entire scientific community. As scientific, commonly accepted facts and evidence far outweighs anything else that has been brought to the table.

"We" don't have anything to explain if you don't accept whats accepted by everyone else.
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[link to i.imgur.com]

I wouldn't even bother calling it "noah's" flood, the whole idea of a boat doing what it was said to of done and achieved, is absurd, one has to either be completely ignorant of basic science, or perform an almost impressive amount of mental gymnastics in order to make the science "work".

The canyons were formed by glacial floods. If you want to say otherwise, you have to do the explaining to the entire scientific community. As scientific, commonly accepted facts and evidence far outweighs anything else that has been brought to the table.

"We" don't have anything to explain if you don't accept whats accepted by everyone else.
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What mountain is the glacial flood forming the Grand Canyon on? Pictures?
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Well I totally believe in the ancient flood of Noah, how else did the Dino's become extinct , and speaking of Dino's and Noah's flood, they were the result of the fallen angels genetic manipulation of animals DNA. I saw it in the Dead Sea scrolls, the book of Enoch, Jasher, genesis, and Sumer. So much for the theory of evolution, rather the theory of genetic manipulation, that is more accurate. It's a shame that ppl suppress the truth.
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Perhaps this version of Genesis will answer some of those questions that make the Bible unreliable.

Look at the whole earth and give it the name Eden, let it rotate and then mark out the area defined in Genesis 2 as being the are boxing in the Garden area of Eden. The Euphrates River marks the northern border rather than the East one. Within the Garden area itself was a complete and utter desert until the time Adam was born and talking with God. At that time (insert date here, 400,000BC) God brought the living flesh before Adam to be named. The plants other than the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil blew in as seeds from the rest of Eden. Forests as mentioned on day 3 was 400,000,000BC, from that date until the end of day 6 (40,000BC) the earth got covered in vegetation. Adam was created at the beginning of day 6 and the garden are experienced what the rest of Eden experienced but in a compressed time-line. The Dead Sea was the equivalent of the oceans but as fresh water.

The justification for messing with the dates is in the Bible, 1 day = 1,000 years. Adam and Eve were exiled at the end of day7/beginning of day 8 which can be dated at being 4,000BC (rounded off). Going back 1 day you add a zero to the 1,000 column and you get 40,000BC, end of day 6 so there is the period the 7th day took up, Adam and Eve as Husband and Wife and Angelic Beings are around and able t communicate with them. Go back 1 more day by doing the same thing again, put a '0' in the 1,000 marker and you get 400,000BC, end of day 5 The Oceans were full and so was the Dead Sea so it looked like it will for the 1,000 years after her waters have been healed (Eze:47) Keep doing that and you end at the end of day 1 and the earth has rotation and light on its surface. That was 4B years ago and it was only at 400M years ago that the earth had water in liquid and vapor form.

Once you cover time and the whales from back them it takes on a form that is closer to reality than out own version.

During that 7th day Angels could have been on earth but not allowed in the Garden area and that is how all the oldest monuments were created, by Angels for Angels and it is only at the sin of the one allowed into the Garden that the relationship changed as women were put into Eden outside the Garden area. That period of time is limited to 4,000BC to the flood (approx 2500BC) so the 'works of men' would have been better than the Tower of Babel as giants and fallen angels were missing from that project. Two times in the past we became less capable that we were at any point after the language change.

This little bit isn't meant to change your mind, it is to show that there are versions that fit science. Genesis and the flood are two examples that have alternative meanings. It leaves God as being supernatural (like saying 100 years in advance what will take place) and having a flood that fits the description without tipping science on its side. By making the rains snow on the high hills and mountain tops yu eliminate the need for several trillion cubic miles of water to cover Everest, and then get rid of it all again.
That means God could have got the water needed from the ice-caps or directly from the ocean. To cover the land area of the world with 22ft of water would mean the Ocean levels would drop by 1/4 of that or about 5ft, and a year later the level would be back to normal. Fits with science and you could probably build a weather model that would play the simulation out when limiting the return to the time frame given, the snow/ice took 150 days before the rocks were visible.

The part I like best about the Bible and the land area thing s in Jer:25 all the Nations of the world are included in the same prophecy and in Revelation the last prophecy about that event says 1/4 of the world will be affected, like in the flood the land area of the world is about 25% so no area will escape that prophecy. Info like that wasn't supposed to have been known that far back.
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[link to i.imgur.com]

I wouldn't even bother calling it "noah's" flood, the whole idea of a boat doing what it was said to of done and achieved, is absurd, one has to either be completely ignorant of basic science, or perform an almost impressive amount of mental gymnastics in order to make the science "work".

The canyons were formed by glacial floods. If you want to say otherwise, you have to do the explaining to the entire scientific community. As scientific, commonly accepted facts and evidence far outweighs anything else that has been brought to the table.

"We" don't have anything to explain if you don't accept whats accepted by everyone else.
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What mountain is the glacial flood forming the Grand Canyon on? Pictures?
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Excuse me whilst i go back 17 million years ago and take a picture.. It's been formed over 40 million years, how would there be a picture of the mountain?

*Correction, 70+ Million years. And from a chain of mountains.

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hahah really!? You think a 30 day flood (or whatever the amount of time was) could do that?
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it was 40 days not 30
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.. the whole idea of a boat doing what it was said to of done and achieved, is absurd, one has to either be completely ignorant of basic science, or perform an almost impressive amount of mental gymnastics in order to make the science "work".
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It only had to be box shape and the animals no more numerous than were the ones paraded before Adam during the creation days. Creation does allow for adapting to local climate conditions and like mankind the flesh of the air, sea, and land they have an original seed, the 4 beasts around the throne in Revelation. This earth was only ever made 'good' so the life born in Eden (like the dinos) are kept as seed for when the 'perfected earth' is revealed and the same way the Dead Sea will he healed for the 1,000 year reign. That is accomplished by Jesus making a covenant with the birds and Beast invited to take part n a feast at His return. They then have the breath of life taken away so the fire that cleanses the earth 1,000 years later doesn't send them to the fiery lake. Instead after New Jerusalem lands on the New Earth them moisture will go out like it did in Ge:2 and all previous flesh will be restored before any bablies are born.
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...but for you flood believing dipshits, explain this one: Where did all the water come from? The amount of water to cover the entire globe would be 4 times more water than the earth currently contains, where did it go. The flood did NOT contribute to your sorry ass excuse for mountains, ie "hydraulicing" affect - Earth would have imploded if that happened. How did plants survive for that amount of time without sun and extreme pressure. Did Noah actually bring EVERY species of animal, plant and bug onto the Ark thats currently exist today? Why are the Oceans still salty if fresh water diluged the Earth? How do we have fresh water of saline contaminated fresh supplies? The questions could go on forever and ever, its all bullshit...
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Hey bro, who wrote the story of noahs ark? Did it come to someone in a vision or was it written by someone on the boat?
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...but for you flood believing dipshits, explain this one: Where did all the water come from? The amount of water to cover the entire globe would be 4 times more water than the earth currently contains, where did it go. The flood did NOT contribute to your sorry ass excuse for mountains, ie "hydraulicing" affect - Earth would have imploded if that happened. How did plants survive for that amount of time without sun and extreme pressure. Did Noah actually bring EVERY species of animal, plant and bug onto the Ark thats currently exist today? Why are the Oceans still salty if fresh water diluged the Earth? How do we have fresh water of saline contaminated fresh supplies? The questions could go on forever and ever, its all bullshit...
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God made the water, he pulled out his water hose and sprayed it all over the planet. After everyone besides noah and his boat of millions of animals he got thirsty so he decided to take some of the water back.

God provided magical food supplies that kept comeing back every night. He also built special heaven cages on the boat to keep the animals from attacking eachother. Then he built a heaven teleporter to teleport the animals back to their natural habitat once the flood was over.

Wake up moran! chuckle
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...but for you flood believing dipshits, explain this one: Where did all the water come from? The amount of water to cover the entire globe would be 4 times more water than the earth currently contains, where did it go. The flood did NOT contribute to your sorry ass excuse for mountains, ie "hydraulicing" affect - Earth would have imploded if that happened. How did plants survive for that amount of time without sun and extreme pressure. Did Noah actually bring EVERY species of animal, plant and bug onto the Ark thats currently exist today? Why are the Oceans still salty if fresh water diluged the Earth? How do we have fresh water of saline contaminated fresh supplies? The questions could go on forever and ever, its all bullshit...
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God made the water, he pulled out his water hose and sprayed it all over the planet. After everyone besides noah and his boat of millions of animals he got thirsty so he decided to take some of the water back.

God provided magical food supplies that kept comeing back every night. He also built special heaven cages on the boat to keep the animals from attacking eachother. Then he built a heaven teleporter to teleport the animals back to their natural habitat once the flood was over.

Wake up moran! chuckle
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Excellent! ...and that is what I mean, if God had to use 1000 miracles to make the flood work out, why not cut to the chase and just smite everyone instantly and kill them, why the back room game show?

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