5/19/2013 Pontian Genocide Memorial Day. A genocide without recognition... | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40048194 United States 05/19/2013 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As if the Ukranian genocide gets any airplay? They killed more of them and in less time but mostly the media pretends it never happened. 100 millions have died thanks to Marx philosophy of rule over gentiles and nobody cares or even understands why all of this always starts with the same participants, and always is managed by the same participants. |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As if the Ukranian genocide gets any airplay? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40048194 They killed more of them and in less time but mostly the media pretends it never happened. 100 millions have died thanks to Marx philosophy of rule over gentiles and nobody cares or even understands why all of this always starts with the same participants, and always is managed by the same participants. Share a link of it. I would like to learn about it. :) |
ElectricKoolaid User ID: 27383605 United States 05/19/2013 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do we assume we've changed as human beings when really we just have more, nicer things? I can imagine the smartest men & women among these people, at this time, and still - with all of their intellect - they found a way to hate, maim, and kill. We're no different today. -- EK |
Éireann User ID: 13606119 United States 05/19/2013 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As if the Ukranian genocide gets any airplay? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40048194 They killed more of them and in less time but mostly the media pretends it never happened. 100 millions have died thanks to Marx philosophy of rule over gentiles and nobody cares or even understands why all of this always starts with the same participants, and always is managed by the same participants. I don't think there is one group more important than the other, but I know about what happened in the Ukraine. There is a woman who did a sand art performance for Ukraine's Got Talent. It was hard for me to watch. But something that gave me hope was the number of young people in the audience who understood what she was drawing about. Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
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BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | <sarc> Sorry, OP. Greeks aren't of the Chosen Tribe, so this genocide doesn't count. </sarc> :D Last Edited by BlavkRabbit on 05/19/2013 09:38 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33057717 Bulgaria 05/19/2013 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As if the Ukranian genocide gets any airplay? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40048194 They killed more of them and in less time but mostly the media pretends it never happened. 100 millions have died thanks to Marx philosophy of rule over gentiles and nobody cares or even understands why all of this always starts with the same participants, and always is managed by the same participants. I don't think there is one group more important than the other, but I know about what happened in the Ukraine. There is a woman who did a sand art performance for Ukraine's Got Talent. It was hard for me to watch. But something that gave me hope was the number of young people in the audience who understood what she was drawing about. wow I didn't understand anything |
Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison User ID: 32983814 United States 05/19/2013 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Armenia asked for help from the United States, and was refused. So, they became part of the new USSR (Soviet Union) just so that they would get help and not be totally wiped out. Hitler, when questioned about the genocide he was perpetrating, responded, "They didn't care what happened to Armenia, they won't care about what I do." (paraphrased) |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing happened to Armenia by the same murderers (the "Ottoman Empire") at the same time. Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison 32983814 Armenia asked for help from the United States, and was refused. So, they became part of the new USSR (Soviet Union) just so that they would get help and not be totally wiped out. Hitler, when questioned about the genocide he was perpetrating, responded, "They didn't care what happened to Armenia, they won't care about what I do." (paraphrased) I have a book full of Greek martyrs the day the Ottomans burned the city of Smyrne (now called Izmir). I have read what they did to Greeks and Armenians, rapes, tortures, killings ofc. The only people who helped the Turks were the Jews, I wasn't expecting to read that to tell you the truth... But I know what they did to Armenians too. In fact, the book has a story of a (back then) child, whose home was next to an Armenian one, needless to say, both his family and the Armenian family was killed after the females (children and adults) were raped in front of the rest of the family. The kid was saved by a miracle. Last Edited by BlavkRabbit on 05/19/2013 02:57 PM |
yorgunpsikopat User ID: 39363250 Turkey 05/19/2013 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am a Greek Turk. Greece state had forced my grandfather to go to Anatolia. This is a mutual migration to create a unique nation of Greeks at Greece and nation of Turks at Anatolia. My grandfather owned a lot of wealth at Greece but I even don't own a house at Anatolia now. I think it is time to be friends. Let's forget the bad things that the former generations lived. We can not find a solution to this problem if we increase hate between these nations. |
Éireann User ID: 13606119 United States 05/19/2013 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As if the Ukranian genocide gets any airplay? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40048194 They killed more of them and in less time but mostly the media pretends it never happened. 100 millions have died thanks to Marx philosophy of rule over gentiles and nobody cares or even understands why all of this always starts with the same participants, and always is managed by the same participants. I don't think there is one group more important than the other, but I know about what happened in the Ukraine. There is a woman who did a sand art performance for Ukraine's Got Talent. It was hard for me to watch. But something that gave me hope was the number of young people in the audience who understood what she was drawing about. wow I didn't understand anything Sorry. I'm having a terrible brain day. Not even the meds are helping. I feel like my head is stuffed full of cotton. This just sucks. I thought I was getting better for a while, but after re-reading what I posted, I don't even have any idea wtf I was trying to say. Anyway. History is full of terrible atrocities. Mass genocides in ancient wars should have taught us that this is NOT ok, but it hasn't. The same barbaric behavior we've shown in the past is still being repeated today. It just makes me sick. Why don't we learn? Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39466179 United States 05/19/2013 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had never heard of the Ukrainian massacre until a few years ago when I worked with an Ukrainian immigrant. I thought he was BSing me except that he was so serious about it. I looked it up (holodomor) and it was truly horrible. It was brought up around here back during the gun grab debate as one of the reasons for citizens to remain armed. Here is one of many links you can find on it. [link to www.holodomorct.org] And never refer to a Ukrainian as a Russian or Soviet (I don't recall which I called him), that is how I ended up getting my history lecture. Now I will probably spend all morning reading about the Greek massacre, good god we're sick. |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing happened to Armenia by the same murderers (the "Ottoman Empire") at the same time. Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison 32983814 Armenia asked for help from the United States, and was refused. So, they became part of the new USSR (Soviet Union) just so that they would get help and not be totally wiped out. Hitler, when questioned about the genocide he was perpetrating, responded, "They didn't care what happened to Armenia, they won't care about what I do." (paraphrased) I have a book full of Greek martyrs the day the Ottomans burned the city of Smyrne (now called Izmir). I have read what they did to Greeks, Kurds and Armenians, rapes, tortures, killings ofc. The only people who helped the Turks were the Jews, I wasn't expecting to read that to tell you the truth... But I know what they did to Armenians too. In fact, the book has a story of a (back then) child, whose home was next to an Armenian one, needless to say, both his family and the Armenian family was killed after the females (children and adults) were raped in front of the rest of the family. The kid was saved by a miracle. When my grandmother went to my grandfather's village in Pontus, the Turks there, burst into tears. The village had a passing river inside it, from the one side there was the turkish houses, from the other side the abandoned greek ones. So, my grandma asked in scrabled turkish why they left the houses untouched. An old grandpa said to her "Those houses belong not to us. The Greeks will come one day and take them back." After a while drinking ouzo and tsipouro with the Turks (alcohol is prohibited in Turkey because of Islam), my grandmother went to a Kemal Ataturk museum. After being inside the museum for about 5 minutes, a young man speaking the Pontian dialect came close to her and said "Why you are in the museum of our enemy. He killed us, Greeks." They started talking and he told her about the Greeks (written as Turks in the pappers) here who are secretly Christians and afraid of going public with that information. Last Edited by BlavkRabbit on 05/19/2013 10:22 AM |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am a Greek Turk. Greece state had forced my grandfather to go to Anatolia. This is a mutual migration to create a unique nation of Greeks at Greece and nation of Turks at Anatolia. Quoting: yorgunpsikopat My grandfather owned a lot of wealth at Greece but I even don't own a house at Anatolia now. I think it is time to be friends. Let's forget the bad things that the former generations lived. We can not find a solution to this problem if we increase hate between these nations. I can't agree more |
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BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His mother, Zübeyde Hanim was turkish. Ataturk's father on the other hand, Ali Riza Efendi, is Turk and is considered by some of Albanian origin. There are no sources of Ataturk being half Greek, only that he was borned and raised in Thessaloniki Last Edited by BlavkRabbit on 05/19/2013 10:52 AM |
Anatolian User ID: 40100405 Turkey 05/19/2013 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing happened to Armenia by the same murderers (the "Ottoman Empire") at the same time. Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison 32983814 Armenia asked for help from the United States, and was refused. So, they became part of the new USSR (Soviet Union) just so that they would get help and not be totally wiped out. Hitler, when questioned about the genocide he was perpetrating, responded, "They didn't care what happened to Armenia, they won't care about what I do." (paraphrased) I have a book full of Greek martyrs the day the Ottomans burned the city of Smyrne (now called Izmir). I have read what they did to Greeks, Kurds and Armenians, rapes, tortures, killings ofc. The only people who helped the Turks were the Jews, I wasn't expecting to read that to tell you the truth... But I know what they did to Armenians too. In fact, the book has a story of a (back then) child, whose home was next to an Armenian one, needless to say, both his family and the Armenian family was killed after the females (children and adults) were raped in front of the rest of the family. The kid was saved by a miracle. I have a question for both of you.Do you really know who were controlling the Ottoman Empire? Who planned those events (Armenian and Pontian genocides)?Which group have been ruling Turkey secretly for near 100 years? I suggest you to research a bit about 'Young Turks' and their origins.Turkish people suffered under their fascistic rule as well as Greeks. |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing happened to Armenia by the same murderers (the "Ottoman Empire") at the same time. Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison 32983814 Armenia asked for help from the United States, and was refused. So, they became part of the new USSR (Soviet Union) just so that they would get help and not be totally wiped out. Hitler, when questioned about the genocide he was perpetrating, responded, "They didn't care what happened to Armenia, they won't care about what I do." (paraphrased) I have a book full of Greek martyrs the day the Ottomans burned the city of Smyrne (now called Izmir). I have read what they did to Greeks, Kurds and Armenians, rapes, tortures, killings ofc. The only people who helped the Turks were the Jews, I wasn't expecting to read that to tell you the truth... But I know what they did to Armenians too. In fact, the book has a story of a (back then) child, whose home was next to an Armenian one, needless to say, both his family and the Armenian family was killed after the females (children and adults) were raped in front of the rest of the family. The kid was saved by a miracle. I have a question for both of you.Do you really know who were controlling the Ottoman Empire? Who planned those events (Armenian and Pontian genocides)?Which group have been ruling Turkey secretly for near 100 years? I suggest you to research a bit about 'Young Turks' and their origins.Turkish people suffered under their fascistic rule as well as Greeks. I am aware of them, unfortunately it's really hard to find sources on how they started. I know that before them, things between Greeks and Turks were getting better day by day. Ofc, Greeks and Turks lived in the same towns and worked together then too. My mother's grandfather was from Cappadokia, in the city where the base of Grey Wolfs is now (unfortunately I don't remember the name of the city). The turks nationalists drove them out of there and into Istabul. He was one of the last Greek citizens of Instabul to leave from there and one of the few to be pushed away from his house by the turks twice. I would be more that happy to learn more about them if you are able to provide me with english sources. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they sallute them now? Last Edited by BlavkRabbit on 05/19/2013 11:15 AM |
Anatolian User ID: 40100405 Turkey 05/19/2013 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing happened to Armenia by the same murderers (the "Ottoman Empire") at the same time. Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison 32983814 Armenia asked for help from the United States, and was refused. So, they became part of the new USSR (Soviet Union) just so that they would get help and not be totally wiped out. Hitler, when questioned about the genocide he was perpetrating, responded, "They didn't care what happened to Armenia, they won't care about what I do." (paraphrased) I have a book full of Greek martyrs the day the Ottomans burned the city of Smyrne (now called Izmir). I have read what they did to Greeks, Kurds and Armenians, rapes, tortures, killings ofc. The only people who helped the Turks were the Jews, I wasn't expecting to read that to tell you the truth... But I know what they did to Armenians too. In fact, the book has a story of a (back then) child, whose home was next to an Armenian one, needless to say, both his family and the Armenian family was killed after the females (children and adults) were raped in front of the rest of the family. The kid was saved by a miracle. When my grandmother went to my grandfather's village in Pontus, the Turks there, burst into tears. The village had a passing river inside it, from the one side there was the turkish houses, from the other side the abandoned greek ones. So, my grandma asked in scrabled turkish why they left the houses untouched. An old grandpa said to her "Those houses belong not to us. The Greeks will come one day and take them back." After a while drinking ouzo and tsipouro with the Turks (alcohol is prohibited in Turkey because of Islam), my grandmother went to a Kemal Ataturk museum. After being inside the museum for about 5 minutes, a young man speaking the Pontian dialect came close to her and said "Why you are in the museum of our enemy. He killed us, Greeks." They started talking and he told her about the Greeks (written as Turks in the pappers) here who are secretly Christians and afraid of going public with that information. You know wrong bro, alcohol is not prohibited in Turkey however its under heavy taxation now because an islamic party (AKP) is in the charge of government now.In most villages people make their own wine.Because of latest increases in taxes i started to make my own wines too. We have our own traditional alcoholic drink 'raki' which is very similar to ouzo. [link to 3.bp.blogspot.com] [link to 4.bp.blogspot.com] And for the lulz : [link to img253.imageshack.us] |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing happened to Armenia by the same murderers (the "Ottoman Empire") at the same time. Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison 32983814 Armenia asked for help from the United States, and was refused. So, they became part of the new USSR (Soviet Union) just so that they would get help and not be totally wiped out. Hitler, when questioned about the genocide he was perpetrating, responded, "They didn't care what happened to Armenia, they won't care about what I do." (paraphrased) I have a book full of Greek martyrs the day the Ottomans burned the city of Smyrne (now called Izmir). I have read what they did to Greeks, Kurds and Armenians, rapes, tortures, killings ofc. The only people who helped the Turks were the Jews, I wasn't expecting to read that to tell you the truth... But I know what they did to Armenians too. In fact, the book has a story of a (back then) child, whose home was next to an Armenian one, needless to say, both his family and the Armenian family was killed after the females (children and adults) were raped in front of the rest of the family. The kid was saved by a miracle. When my grandmother went to my grandfather's village in Pontus, the Turks there, burst into tears. The village had a passing river inside it, from the one side there was the turkish houses, from the other side the abandoned greek ones. So, my grandma asked in scrabled turkish why they left the houses untouched. An old grandpa said to her "Those houses belong not to us. The Greeks will come one day and take them back." After a while drinking ouzo and tsipouro with the Turks (alcohol is prohibited in Turkey because of Islam), my grandmother went to a Kemal Ataturk museum. After being inside the museum for about 5 minutes, a young man speaking the Pontian dialect came close to her and said "Why you are in the museum of our enemy. He killed us, Greeks." They started talking and he told her about the Greeks (written as Turks in the pappers) here who are secretly Christians and afraid of going public with that information. You know wrong bro, alcohol is not prohibited in Turkey however its under heavy taxation now because an islamic party (AKP) is in the charge of government now.In most villages people make their own wine.Because of latest increases in taxes i started to make my own wines too. We have our own traditional alcoholic drink 'raki' which is very similar to ouzo. [link to 3.bp.blogspot.com] [link to 4.bp.blogspot.com] And for the lulz : [link to img253.imageshack.us] Well, I didn't know how to name it, we don't have that kind of thing with alcohol and religion here And of course I know about Raki! It's the same as tsipouro in taste, I don't thing they are different in the making process too. This is how Cretans call tsipouro, if you go there ask for Raki ;) We have many foods in common too! Last Edited by BlavkRabbit on 05/19/2013 11:25 AM |
insertfunnyusername User ID: 40096280 Greece 05/19/2013 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice one BR, are you Pontian? I have family from Pontus too. :) Recognition, like the Armenian genocide, is a political issue than anything else, more states slowly start to recognize the undeniable historical facts despite Turkey's threats, institutionalized denialism and revisionism. 2015 may be the year starting with the Armenian one, the pressure for recognition is very big in US and Obama too, 2015 will be a worldwide campaign, even US film-industry plans a couple of films on the subject for 2015, even in Turkey there is a some sort of change in the current stance by the educated/progressive Turks, they even held silent commemoration events in the last 2 years, Kurds have long ago officially recognized and apologized for the participation they had in it, many countries are on the brink of official recognition, long overdue. |
Anatolian User ID: 40100405 Turkey 05/19/2013 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More about murderer 'Young Turks' regime and their origins: [link to www.realjewnews.com] [link to www.realjewnews.com] [link to www.hellinon.net] [link to rense.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30938598 United States 05/19/2013 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do we assume we've changed as human beings when really we just have more, nicer things? Quoting: ElectricKoolaid I can imagine the smartest men & women among these people, at this time, and still - with all of their intellect - they found a way to hate, maim, and kill. We're no different today. We become the prison guards of our own righteousness. |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice one BR, are you Pontian? I have family from Pontus too. :) Recognition, like the Armenian genocide, is a political issue than anything else, more states slowly start to recognize the undeniable historical facts despite Turkey's threats, institutionalized denialism and revisionism. 2015 may be the year starting with the Armenian one, the pressure for recognition is very big in US and Obama too, 2015 will be a worldwide campaign, even US film-industry plans a couple of films on the subject for 2015, even in Turkey there is a some sort of change in the current stance by the educated/progressive Turks, they even held silent commemoration events in the last 2 years, Kurds have long ago officially recognized and apologized for the participation they had in it, many countries are on the brink of official recognition, long overdue. I have ancestors from Pontus and Capadocia. In Kayseri, Capadocia we have heard that at some time my great grandfather's house was the turkish town hall, nevertheless I never managed to find pictures of it |
Saddletramp User ID: 740208 Puerto Rico 05/19/2013 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They always try to pretend that Christians are never persecuted for their beliefs, and they point towards ancient history of the Crusades and the Inquisition as proof that Christians are the persecutors... Plainly in the 20th and 21st centuries, Christians have been the MOST persecuted religion of that time... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
BlavkRabbit (OP) User ID: 40036592 Greece 05/19/2013 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More about murderer 'Young Turks' regime and their origins: Quoting: Anatolian 40100405 [link to www.realjewnews.com] [link to www.realjewnews.com] [link to www.hellinon.net] [link to rense.com] Thanks a bunch for the info :D |
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