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Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...

 
Phil McHonkey
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Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
The testimony of these and a few others bespeaks an alien narrative worlds different, and quite a bit more dire, than today's prominent researchers. The question follows: has anybody come forward to debunk their claims? If not, then why has nobody stepped up to fill their metaphysical shoes, continue the research, and sound the alarm? If there was a credible debunk, what was it? Who offered it and when? I'm puzzled about why a bigger deal isn't made about this research if it was never proven demonstrably false. If you're unfamiliar with this research, go check it out: going back 15-20 years, a certain segment of exopolitical thought had come to some fairly dire conclusions about the nature of the UFO phenomenon and the future of existence on earth. Most of the people espousing this type of theory died young, and since then the work they did has been all but wiped from our collective memory. I can't help but wonder why.
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Re: Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
The work of Barbara Bartholic and Karla Turner is continued by people such as Eve Lorgen and James Bartley. I'm sure there are others also. A woman named Peggy Kane using an electronic dowsing-like technique, reverse speech analysis, also uncovered much material regarding the dark side of the reptilian agenda. I think "they" eventually got to her. Here are a few links which may be helpful.

James Bartley: [link to theuniversalseduction.com]

Eve Lorgen: [link to evelorgen.com]

Here's a site where Karla Turner's out of print books and Barbara Bartholic's book are available in pdf format. I don't accept all this man's ideas but I do appreciate his keeping these out of print books available. These books are hard to find otherwise and all are well worth reading: [link to www.jeffpolachek.com]

Also youtube has film clips of Karla Turner and others mentioned above.

Hope this helps. I believe there is a powerful disinformation program and concerted effort at high levels to keep the malevolent alien info out of public awareness. That's one reason you don't find the people who are doing this type of investigative work.
Phil McHonkey
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Re: Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
It's weird because on one hand, the people researching and reporting this type of agenda are people who died young, or have since become a discredited subset even amongst a smallish population that's itself been discredited already by the msm. On the other, The "bad alien" agenda has the same kind of duality as the "good" alien agenda, namely: the story makes sense weather you believe it's real, or weather you think it's being deployed as a distraction or to discourage interest in attempted contact. It's existence is logicaly arguable no matter how you chose to approach it. I find that frustrating.

Thanks tho, for the info. This thread was buried deep with no hope left ;p
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Re: Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
Dr. Karla Turner was killed by weaponized cancer.
Patricia P Tursi
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Barbara was a friend and we used to discuss things that were happening. Kandy asked me to take over her group in Little Rock, but I was living in Harrison, was a licensed psychologist and not a good driver. I didn't want to travel 2 1/2 over the mountains and back. I have some regrets about not being able to do this. She knew that she was dying when she asked me and cared about the people in her group. A few people from her group came to see me individually for free.

Barbara was a former model and had videoed hundreds of regressions. She was as beautiful inside as she was outside. Totally dedicated and the real thing. Kandy was a dynamo who was also dedicated and saw Barbara. Both are very real and very dedicated.

I was very angry about what abductees went through. Not only were they terrified and physically experimented upon, some lost their families because at that time, no one believed or supported them. they were labeled crazy. There "were no such things as UFOs". There were no movies, no tv shows...They were nervous wrecks who were afraid to sleep because the abductions happened at night. Many used alcohol and pills to deal with the physical and psychological stress.

Kandy and Barbara were two brave and early researchers who helped "normalize" these experiences. Kandy told me that she was aware of the moment that she was "radiated" and received the cancer. Those familiar with Rife technology can understand this. But the report that I read recently that there was a medallion signature on her liver is news I didn't know, and goes beyond Rife technology.

There were many doing UFO research in the nineties. As for debunking, there will always be debunkers and ridiculers. Learn to dowse...answer your questions with your own higher spirit and knowing
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Barbara was a friend and we used to discuss things that were happening. Kandy asked me to take over her group in Little Rock, but I was living in Harrison, was a licensed psychologist and not a good driver. I didn't want to travel 2 1/2 over the mountains and back. I have some regrets about not being able to do this. She knew that she was dying when she asked me and cared about the people in her group. A few people from her group came to see me individually for free.

Barbara was a former model and had videoed hundreds of regressions. She was as beautiful inside as she was outside. Totally dedicated and the real thing. Kandy was a dynamo who was also dedicated and saw Barbara. Both are very real and very dedicated.

I was very angry about what abductees went through. Not only were they terrified and physically experimented upon, some lost their families because at that time, no one believed or supported them. they were labeled crazy. There "were no such things as UFOs". There were no movies, no tv shows...They were nervous wrecks who were afraid to sleep because the abductions happened at night. Many used alcohol and pills to deal with the physical and psychological stress.

Kandy and Barbara were two brave and early researchers who helped "normalize" these experiences. Kandy told me that she was aware of the moment that she was "radiated" and received the cancer. Those familiar with Rife technology can understand this. But the report that I read recently that there was a medallion signature on her liver is news I didn't know, and goes beyond Rife technology.

There were many doing UFO research in the nineties. As for debunking, there will always be debunkers and ridiculers. Learn to dowse...answer your questions with your own higher spirit and knowing
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Patricia P Tursi,

Please here me out.

I'm skeptical that a friend of Dr. Turner would make a random post on GLP. Do you have proof that you knew her? This may seem rude, but this web of conspiracy is inextricably intertwined with camel-loads of misinformation, misdirection, and people role playing anything from personal friends to government handlers of those who have published books on the abductee phenomenon and anomalous trauma.

I also want to ask you to please field this thought. While trying to find out recent information on Ted Rice I came across someone claiming to be him that had posted several comments on a thread about Barbara and Turner (see link below). His comments start on the 2 or 3 page. He says that he poked his head out because he was mad about Barbara's death. He also warned people not to become obsessed with the alien agenda and that he concentrated on family and spending time with his grandchildren. And this is what makes me think that maybe all these people, Turner, Barbara, Lorgen, and that other guy who thinks good music is a form of alien mind control are misinformation agents. I hate to say this if it is not true, BUT WHY OR HOW COULD RICE BRING CHILDREN INTO THE WORLD IF HE KNOWS THAT THESE NAMELESS POWERS CONDUCT MULTI-GENERATIONAL EXPERIMENTATION. HOW COULD HE BRING CHILDREN INTO THE WORLD KNOWING THEY WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE SAME HORRORS AS HE HAD EXPERIENCED. AND WE ARE TALKING MAJOR HORRORS HERE(SEE MASQUERADE OF ANGELS). It seems to me that you would consciously not have children if you knew this and were a caring loving person. That is something that just doesn't add up to me.

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Re: Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
I just want to interject here that a lot of contactees/abductees probably have children before they are aware that anything has happened and maybe the ETs make it that way to keep certain bloodlines going for further research. In addition, people get pregnant all of the time even when taking precautions and they were never planned and once they are there, what most people do is go ahead and have them. Even if someone knows they've been abducted they probably don't want to abort their child. The world is a very bad place and people should think about that before bringing children into it whether an abductee or not. People usually have no clue about the real world when they do it though, and that's why everyone ends up sitting around reproducing. If we all started out old and had the years to gain knowledge as we went back to youth, we wouldn't have a population problem on this planet.
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Re: Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
I just want to interject here that a lot of contactees/abductees probably have children before they are aware that anything has happened and maybe the ETs make it that way to keep certain bloodlines going for further research. In addition, people get pregnant all of the time even when taking precautions and they were never planned and once they are there, what most people do is go ahead and have them. Even if someone knows they've been abducted they probably don't want to abort their child. The world is a very bad place and people should think about that before bringing children into it whether an abductee or not. People usually have no clue about the real world when they do it though, and that's why everyone ends up sitting around reproducing. If we all started out old and had the years to gain knowledge as we went back to youth, we wouldn't have a population problem on this planet.
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Undoubtedly this is true, but further explanations are warranted. At the end of the day, there are so many forces trying to impact the morphology of our reality that it is difficult to decipher the lies and manipulation from the truth. The internet allows you to personalize your reality to an extent mass media has never known. You can find confirmation or rejection for any idea that you personally hold true or with contempt.
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Re: Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
Does anyone know of someone willing to do hypnotic regression in-person that lives on the east coast and has a good reputation re anomalous trauma/abduction. Eve Lorgen only does therapy over the phone because of death threats. And since all phone conversations are recorded and stored this isn't an option for people sensitive to that reality.
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Re: Debunk: Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Phil Schnieder...
Does anyone know of someone willing to do hypnotic regression in-person that lives on the east coast and has a good reputation re anomalous trauma/abduction. Eve Lorgen only does therapy over the phone because of death threats. And since all phone conversations are recorded and stored this isn't an option for people sensitive to that reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65218348


Have you inquired with Eve Lorgen if she can refer you to someone?

Also, check around for other psychologist offices of therapists you feel you can trust..even if out of state, they also may be able to provide recommendations.

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