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"Against all probability, a device that purports to use cold fusion to generate vast amounts of power has been verified by a panel of independent scientists. The research paper, which hasn’t yet undergone peer review, seems to confirm both the existence of cold fusion, and its potency: The cold fusion device being tested has roughly 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline. Even allowing for a massively conservative margin of error, the scientists say that the cold fusion device they tested is 10 times more powerful than gasoline — which is currently the best fuel readily available to mankind.

The device being tested, which is called the Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat for short), was created by Andrea Rossi. Rossi has been claiming for the past two years that he had finally cracked cold fusion, but much to the chagrin of the scientific community he hasn’t allowed anyone to independently analyze the device — until now. While it sounds like the scientists had a fairly free rein while testing the E-Cat, we should stress that they still don’t know exactly what’s going on inside the sealed steel cylinder reactor. Still, the seven scientists, all from good European universities, obviously felt confident enough with their findings to publish the research paper.

As for what’s happening inside the cold fusion reactor, Andrea Rossi and his colleague Sergio Focardi have previously said their device works by infusing hydrogen into nickel, transmuting the nickel into copper and releasing a large amount of heat. While Rossi hasn’t provided much in the way of details — he’s a very secretive man, it seems — we can infer some knowledge from NASA’s own research into cold fusion. Basically, hydrogen ions (single protons) are sucked into a nickel lattice (pictured right); the nickel’s electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons; the nickel nuclei absorb these neutrons; the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons; and thus the nickel goes up in atomic number from 28 to 29, becoming copper.

This process, like the “conventional” fusion of hydrogen atoms into helium, produces a lot of heat. (See: 500MW from half a gram of hydrogen: The hunt for fusion power heats up.) The main difference, though, is that the cold fusion process (also known as LENR, or low energy nuclear reaction) produces very slow moving neutrons which don’t create ionizing radiation or radioactive waste. Real fusion, on the other hand, produces fast neutrons that decimate everything in their path. In short, LENR is fairly safe — safe enough that NASA dreams of one day putting a cold fusion reactor in every home, car, and plane. Nickel and hydrogen, incidentally, are much cheaper and cleaner fuels than gasoline.

As far as we can tell, the main barrier to cold fusion — as with normal fusion — is producing more energy than you put in. In NASA’s tests, it takes a lot more energy to fuse the nickel and hydrogen than is produced by the reaction. Rossi, it would seem, has discovered a secret sauce that significantly reduces the amount of energy required to start the reaction. As for what the secret sauce is, no one knows — in the research paper, the independent scientists simply refer to it as “unknown additives.” All told, the E-Cat seems to have a power density of 4.4×105 W/kg, and an energy density of 5.1×107 Wh/kg.

If Rossi and Focardi’s cold fusion technology turns out to be real — if the E-Cat really has 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline — then the world will change, very, very quickly. Stay tuned; we’ll let you know when — or if — the E-Cat passes peer review."
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I know we all knew abou the e-cat along time ago. But this seems like its breaking into the main stream. I got this article from my fav tech website

[link to www.extremetech.com]

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While I do smell bsflag the actual scientific report on Cornell University preprint archive website ArXiv appears to have been written by real professors, who I doubt want to be associated with fraud.

[link to arxiv.org]

I hope it's not true, or I'll have to find a different job.
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While I do smell bsflag the actual scientific report on Cornell University preprint archive website ArXiv appears to have been written by real professors, who I doubt want to be associated with fraud.

[link to arxiv.org]

I hope it's not true, or I'll have to find a different job.
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Even sceptics are coming round . This where the scientific community start to shift. This conforms to CofE and could change the world. We will all be earning equivalent to £50k per year for 2 day weeks if this is true.

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Pleeeeease be true
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if true big oil will hush this up soon
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Temperature measurements in the report are weird (they have been made with thermal camera) so I think that most semi-competent people won't take this seriously, regardless if it's about cold fusion or whatever.
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I posted a thread titled "This Changes Everything" recently on this. Sad to see that the other shit in the world is overshadowing the topic.

The emissivity of materials in this case is not an issue in terms of the conclusion. "Free" energy.

The fuel is nickel, it transmutates into copper eventually, with no harmful radiation. It is going to change everything. Imagine an eggcup of dirt-cheap nickel powder providing all your home's energy for a year - it's that kind of thing.

Of course people are entitled to doubt the result. Let 'em.

One test is reported to have ended when the reaction overran, melting the device's steel container on about 800W of power input. Kind of makes the measurement equipment redundant - who needs it when the reaction causes this 'anomaly'?
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Dont get too excited. Read the story. It really hasnt been verified independently. Rossi wouldnt allow the scientists near the thing to see how it works.

Also Rossi has a long history of scams and crimes. Hes a scam artist, plain and simple. Given the fact that he has scammed people before with energy machines, what do you think the chances of this being real are?
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if true big oil will hush this up soon
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It's already too well known.

Rossi probably has redundant copies of the design of his device stored on flash drives all over the world now.

Closing the gap on Free Energy is the essential leap mankind needs to make to progress through the 21st Century without great incident.
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Actually it's high energy costs and cheap natural gas in North America that is bringing back manufacturing here.


Cheaper energy just means the Chinese will have no energy restrictions on their industrial growth
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if true big oil will hush this up soon
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It's already too well known.

Rossi probably has redundant copies of the design of his device stored on flash drives all over the world now.

Closing the gap on Free Energy is the essential leap mankind needs to make to progress through the 21st Century without great incident.
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Spot on.

If real, it can't be stopped and it changes everything. Let's be positive about the fact that 4 scientists have put their balls on the line testing this black box prototype.
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More than 4 scientists, actually. In the acknowledgements section of the PDF file there also are:

David Bianchini M.Sc.
Prof. Ennio Bonetti (Bologna University)
Pierre Clauzon, M.Eng. (CNAM-CEA Paris)
Prof. Loris Ferrari (Bologna University)
Laura Patrizii, Ph.D. (INFN)
Prof. Em. Sven Kullander and Prof. Björn Gålnander (Uppsala University)
Prof. Em. Sergio Focardi (Bologna University)
Prof. Em. Hidetsugu Ikegami (Osaka University)


And also:
ELFORSK AB, for the Swedish participation in the E-Cat test experiment

Which looks like it's a swedish power company: [link to www.elforsk.se]




Unless they're all (every single name) in the scam or deluded, it seems there might be something here. I didn't really expect this.
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More than 4 scientists, actually. In the acknowledgements section of the PDF file there also are:

David Bianchini M.Sc.
Prof. Ennio Bonetti (Bologna University)
Pierre Clauzon, M.Eng. (CNAM-CEA Paris)
Prof. Loris Ferrari (Bologna University)
Laura Patrizii, Ph.D. (INFN)
Prof. Em. Sven Kullander and Prof. Björn Gålnander (Uppsala University)
Prof. Em. Sergio Focardi (Bologna University)
Prof. Em. Hidetsugu Ikegami (Osaka University)


And also:
ELFORSK AB, for the Swedish participation in the E-Cat test experiment

Which looks like it's a swedish power company: [link to www.elforsk.se]




Unless they're all (every single name) in the scam or deluded, it seems there might be something here. I didn't really expect this.
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I think the Swedes will have it to market effectively before the rest of us for this reason.

Skeptics seem to run wild on this. Apart from explaining the "errors" in methodology using textbook theories that are cleary unfit, the complaint about use of IR cameras is quite daft - I use them for my job and anyone capable of reading the manual,let alone a trained team of scientists, can understand and avoid false readings. Basically, if the surface is shiny, you can't get reliable data easily.
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What about hooking the device to a heat exchanger in order to raise the temperature of a large tank of water? Much more straightforward and cheaper than using a good thermal camera.
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What about hooking the device to a heat exchanger in order to raise the temperature of a large tank of water? Much more straightforward and cheaper than using a good thermal camera.
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No need. The report speaks for itself.

Don't sweat the details - they are saying it is real, powerful, repeatable, and unexplained by current theory.
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Pleeeeease be true
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Thisssss!
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can we find plans or blueprints?
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I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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Dont get too excited. Read the story. It really hasnt been verified independently. Rossi wouldnt allow the scientists near the thing to see how it works.

Also Rossi has a long history of scams and crimes. Hes a scam artist, plain and simple. Given the fact that he has scammed people before with energy machines, what do you think the chances of this being real are?
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Rossi was not involved in this test, where does the story say he was. Have you read the associated and linked pdf file on the tests.

I'm guessing others will want to test it now, if only to debunk it. More testing can only be a good thing at this point whatever the result.
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Sounds like cold fusion is real but they don't know how it works, and they can't reproduce it consistantly, so it's just not reliable or useful yet.




What's probably happening is the palladium crystal lattice is vibrating and it hits just the right frequency that the atoms smash the hydrogen atoms inside the structure.

It's probably hard to get the palladium perfectly crystalline and to vibrate uniformly and for the hydrogen to feed into the lattice uniformly.

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