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Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37833666 United States05/22/2013 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Probably not. We have one that we constructed, it isn't terribly big but not small, it is underground. It cost quite a bit. I think that anything under 5k would probably not be efficient. |
| Mike215 User ID: 16902300 United States05/22/2013 06:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I heard one of the local politicians say that after the 1999 storm FEMA offered the people low cost loans and grants to build shelters. He claimed that thousands of homes in the area had these shelters. It account for the low death rate for this storm although a lot of people on this site believe that hundreds really died and the government is lying. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37833666 United States05/22/2013 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I heard one of the local politicians say that after the 1999 storm FEMA offered the people low cost loans and grants to build shelters. He claimed that thousands of homes in the area had these shelters. It account for the low death rate for this storm although a lot of people on this site believe that hundreds really died and the government is lying. Quoting: Mike215 16902300 Yes, we got a huge tax break for ours. The government basically pays for them here. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28630651 United States05/22/2013 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Let me tell you.go ahead,the importance of what you are doing is immense..saving lives..providing security from an economic standpoint.why do you think people don't have personal shelters...the stupid price.make a prototype...show it..you will never now.. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40160914 United States05/22/2013 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... From ok here. There will be tax credits again so the cost isn't the issue. What the issue is, is where do you put it? There isn't any extra square footage in new homes these days. The ground zero in ground shelters that go in the garage are the most convenient in that they don't take up any space. The outdoor in-ground ones are ugly but serve a purpose. The first choice in shelters is always at least partially below ground. Price point would sell a few but with credits that will be offered you'll be able to get an in-ground for about $1000. |
| El Tiburon (OP) User ID: 28375544 United States05/22/2013 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I will... I know that seems like a leap of faith... But the NSSA and Texas Tech already publish data on materials and testing. Plus I was able to do some simple load simulations on my laptop. Think NASCAR Roll Cage covered in steel plate. My goal is very low cost and absolute survivability. It's not something you'd want to sleep in. |
| El Tiburon (OP) User ID: 28375544 United States05/22/2013 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Probably not. We have one that we constructed, it isn't terribly big but not small, it is underground. It cost quite a bit. I think that anything under 5k would probably not be efficient. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37833666 Can you elaborate on efficiency? We had a underground concrete shelter in TX and I turned it into my MANCAVE/ Media room. It was large and comfortable and cost the price of a nice used car. Our news here in Kansas has gone on and on about how the water table is high and the ground is solid bedrock (In OK)... So, I am looking for something CHEAP, and absolutely survivable. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34335435 United States05/22/2013 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... |
| El Tiburon (OP) User ID: 28375544 United States05/22/2013 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... From ok here. There will be tax credits again so the cost isn't the issue. What the issue is, is where do you put it? There isn't any extra square footage in new homes these days. The ground zero in ground shelters that go in the garage are the most convenient in that they don't take up any space. The outdoor in-ground ones are ugly but serve a purpose. The first choice in shelters is always at least partially below ground. Price point would sell a few but with credits that will be offered you'll be able to get an in-ground for about $1000. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40160914 Yes the in ground "oil change pit" style garage shelters are "nice".... but they are tiny, hot and cramped. I actually know they guy who first built this style shelter. (he sold his business years ago)... And they cost (last time I checked) about $4,000... |
| El Tiburon (OP) User ID: 28375544 United States05/22/2013 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Let me tell you.go ahead,the importance of what you are doing is immense..saving lives..providing security from an economic standpoint.why do you think people don't have personal shelters...the stupid price.make a prototype...show it..you will never now.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28630651 Thank You... I am going to move forward. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6035221 United States05/22/2013 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Why dont you just bury a waterproofed shipping container? You can finish off the inside however you see fit. Check craigslist, might be a good balance financially and DIY for you? |
| Dace User ID: 14737377 United States05/22/2013 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Too much destructive power... An f5 can pick up a whole house from the foundation and fling it through the air... While your design might be steel and bolted to a foundation....it wouldn't matter much if a tornado picked up a car or a semi truck and slammed it into the side of your shelter at 200 miles an hour. ONLY underground shelters are safe in these instances... yours is safer than most....but not 100% Last Edited by Dace on 05/22/2013 07:55 PM |
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| El Tiburon (OP) User ID: 28375544 United States05/22/2013 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Why dont you just bury a waterproofed shipping container? You can finish off the inside however you see fit. Check craigslist, might be a good balance financially and DIY for you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6035221 Ok, 1. Cheapest Shipping Container I could find on CL was $2,600. but for grins and gigglesack we'll put the price at a grand. 2. You got a truck? 3. Your neighbors excited about your shipping container. 4. You going to rent a back hoe? 5. You going to modify it for roof access? You just threw a shit-load of money at a hole in the ground. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6035221 United States05/22/2013 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... because anything ABOVE ground is not safe for f4 f5 tornados. Quoting: Dace Too much destructive power... An f5 can pick up a whole house from the foundation and fling it through the air... While your design might be steel and bolted to a foundation....it wouldn't matter much if a tornado picked up a car or a semi truck and slammed it into the side of your shelter at 200 miles an hour. ONLY underground shelters are safe in these instances... yours is safer than most....but not 100% If this is in regards to my shipping container comment I said bury, not buy. Of course it needs to be underground. Transocean containers should be waterproof, I would just refinish the outside before putting it in the dirt under the earth. I can get a 40' x 8'6" x 8' container delivered for $2000.00 off craigslist, I'd assume you could finish it for another $500 bucks or so. If your state give's $2k you have a strong structure finished as nice as a living room that you can stand up in with about 300 ft2 of living space, for %500 out of pocket? seems ideal to me. |
| Dace User ID: 14737377 United States05/22/2013 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... because anything ABOVE ground is not safe for f4 f5 tornados. Quoting: Dace Too much destructive power... An f5 can pick up a whole house from the foundation and fling it through the air... While your design might be steel and bolted to a foundation....it wouldn't matter much if a tornado picked up a car or a semi truck and slammed it into the side of your shelter at 200 miles an hour. ONLY underground shelters are safe in these instances... yours is safer than most....but not 100% If this is in regards to my shipping container comment I said bury, not buy. Of course it needs to be underground. Transocean containers should be waterproof, I would just refinish the outside before putting it in the dirt under the earth. I can get a 40' x 8'6" x 8' container delivered for $2000.00 off craigslist, I'd assume you could finish it for another $500 bucks or so. If your state give's $2k you have a strong structure finished as nice as a living room that you can stand up in with about 300 ft2 of living space, for %500 out of pocket? seems ideal to me. I agree with you...my comment was for OP's design....underground is the only way to go. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40309052 United States05/22/2013 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I am still quite shaken up by the Tornado that struck Moore OK. Quoting: El Tiburon I spent the last two days designing, drawing, and CADDING a Steel Tornado Shelter. The only requirement would be that it be anchored to concrete. It could be in a home, garage or basement. Would be able to exit from front or rear in seconds... And could be taken apart from the inside in case BOTH directions were blocked... MINUS SHIPPING and Install.... (which the average Joe could do himself) I've gotten the price down to right at $1,000... This is not a SAFE ROOM... It is SMALL but could hold 5 adults (cramped) sitting down. There is NO room to stand. This is an almost indestructible structure that would easily survive the few seconds to minutes of assault from even a F-5 Tornado. So my question.... given that the average Tornado shelter cost's $4,000, do you think people would buy this thing? It would take about 18 square feet of floor space. I am asking because I will move forward quickly if I think I could atleast break even with this thing. I have a meeting with my engineer Friday... but his fees are nominal at best. $1000 minus installation is not all that great. That already exists. People who are doing the install themselves are making effective shelters for even less than your $1000. The need is for INSTALLED, at a lower price than current, and one that can withstand EF5 damage. Dont forget - that means you will be TESTING it as well before market. The answer is 'no.' |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6035221 United States05/22/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Why dont you just bury a waterproofed shipping container? You can finish off the inside however you see fit. Check craigslist, might be a good balance financially and DIY for you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6035221 Ok, 1. Cheapest Shipping Container I could find on CL was $2,600. but for grins and gigglesack we'll put the price at a grand. 2. You got a truck? 3. Your neighbors excited about your shipping container. 4. You going to rent a back hoe? 5. You going to modify it for roof access? You just threw a shit-load of money at a hole in the ground. 1. Keep looking there are better deals. 2. Most companies that sell them will arrange to deliver 3. Fuck the Neighbors, it's to save your families life right? 4. I wouldn't recommend a shovel 5. No, I would figure out a solution where I could incorporate an entrance from ground level, similar to old cellar doors. With the additional doors of the containers side entrance. Life isn't free, you wanna cut corners so be it, this is an extremely viable solution that addressed many issues you raised, that after your state rebate wouldn't be that expensive to do. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40309052 United States05/22/2013 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Probably not. We have one that we constructed, it isn't terribly big but not small, it is underground. It cost quite a bit. I think that anything under 5k would probably not be efficient. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37833666 well it depends on the materials, doesnt it? A concrete or metal pipe and dirt isnt very expensive. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40309052 United States05/22/2013 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I heard one of the local politicians say that after the 1999 storm FEMA offered the people low cost loans and grants to build shelters. He claimed that thousands of homes in the area had these shelters. It account for the low death rate for this storm although a lot of people on this site believe that hundreds really died and the government is lying. Quoting: Mike215 16902300 More people survived by getting in their cars and getting out of the way than anything else. |
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| ººOATºº User ID: 39965100 United States05/22/2013 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I am still quite shaken up by the Tornado that struck Moore OK. Quoting: El Tiburon I spent the last two days designing, drawing, and CADDING a Steel Tornado Shelter. The only requirement would be that it be anchored to concrete. It could be in a home, garage or basement. Would be able to exit from front or rear in seconds... And could be taken apart from the inside in case BOTH directions were blocked... MINUS SHIPPING and Install.... (which the average Joe could do himself) I've gotten the price down to right at $1,000... This is not a SAFE ROOM... It is SMALL but could hold 5 adults (cramped) sitting down. There is NO room to stand. This is an almost indestructible structure that would easily survive the few seconds to minutes of assault from even a F-5 Tornado. So my question.... given that the average Tornado shelter cost's $4,000, do you think people would buy this thing? It would take about 18 square feet of floor space. I am asking because I will move forward quickly if I think I could atleast break even with this thing. I have a meeting with my engineer Friday... but his fees are nominal at best. I would rather get below ground.  |
| dmt vector User ID: 37922340  Brazil05/22/2013 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... Well, i saw some intact fireplaces made of bricks in the footages, i bet despite the pressure problem a concrete made shelter can endure his role very well. Specially if you want spend on it $ 1,000 Also you dont have to use an blow torch and electric welding, which is not everyone who has one. Last Edited by dmt vector on 05/22/2013 10:36 PM |
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| El Tiburon (OP) User ID: 28375544 United States05/22/2013 10:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I am still quite shaken up by the Tornado that struck Moore OK. Quoting: El Tiburon I spent the last two days designing, drawing, and CADDING a Steel Tornado Shelter. The only requirement would be that it be anchored to concrete. It could be in a home, garage or basement. Would be able to exit from front or rear in seconds... And could be taken apart from the inside in case BOTH directions were blocked... MINUS SHIPPING and Install.... (which the average Joe could do himself) I've gotten the price down to right at $1,000... This is not a SAFE ROOM... It is SMALL but could hold 5 adults (cramped) sitting down. There is NO room to stand. This is an almost indestructible structure that would easily survive the few seconds to minutes of assault from even a F-5 Tornado. So my question.... given that the average Tornado shelter cost's $4,000, do you think people would buy this thing? It would take about 18 square feet of floor space. I am asking because I will move forward quickly if I think I could atleast break even with this thing. I have a meeting with my engineer Friday... but his fees are nominal at best. I would rather get below ground. Much agreed, just not a viable option for many. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40239176 United States05/22/2013 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... How is the average shelter $4k? A prefab concrete slab shelter is just over $2k. There is room to stand up and my 80 year old neighbor had no problems going down into and coming up from it yesterday. There's enough room for supplies down there. I'm certainly not opposed to additional options for people, but there's no reason to inflate prices to make yours look better. |
| x0mega User ID: 38361861 United States05/22/2013 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for my fellow GLP'ers, regarding Tornado shelters... Moore City Tornado... Your personal safety...etc... I am still quite shaken up by the Tornado that struck Moore OK. Quoting: El Tiburon I spent the last two days designing, drawing, and CADDING a Steel Tornado Shelter. The only requirement would be that it be anchored to concrete. It could be in a home, garage or basement. Would be able to exit from front or rear in seconds... And could be taken apart from the inside in case BOTH directions were blocked... MINUS SHIPPING and Install.... (which the average Joe could do himself) I've gotten the price down to right at $1,000... This is not a SAFE ROOM... It is SMALL but could hold 5 adults (cramped) sitting down. There is NO room to stand. This is an almost indestructible structure that would easily survive the few seconds to minutes of assault from even a F-5 Tornado. So my question.... given that the average Tornado shelter cost's $4,000, do you think people would buy this thing? It would take about 18 square feet of floor space. I am asking because I will move forward quickly if I think I could atleast break even with this thing. I have a meeting with my engineer Friday... but his fees are nominal at best. Labor is cheap, shelters will be 'optional' with new construction done unless its a trailer. The problem is so many people in the industry that are already well established. It is a niche market that will dry out pretty quickly. The better bet is to provide consulting for home preppers or something :P Give them packets of doom to review and they will throw money at you. |
