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The ONLY problem I have with Bill Cooper is his religion..

 
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The ONLY problem I have with Bill Cooper is his religion..
I like the guy's information for the most part. He did a really good job presenting what he uncovered during his tragic life. I do not aggressively attack other religions as a hobby. In fact I restrain myself from doing so 99 percent of the time simply because it does me no good to get worked up. Before I really get into that I want to give a bit of background and of course my take on a bit of history. This is going to get long and for a time it will seem like I am getting off topic but I want people to understand my position on religion as it helps put some things into perspective. Even as an American I take pride in my heritage. By blood I am no less European than anyone born in the Motherlands. Even if I swear to a different flag we are the same genetically through and through. You need to understand that so that when I say "we" I am not claiming citizenship to another country. :D

I am a red blood Norse Pagan. Much of my ancestry is Nordic and British if not all. Ever since I learned to think for myself I considered it strange that an entire region of the world, in other words Europe, would willingly throw down thousands of years of spirituality, culture, and fellowship to worship a Jewish demi-god rather than their own Germanic pantheon. It is not natural. Just as it was not natural that the Native Americans or the African slaves give up their culture for Christianity. The fact that Christianity spread so quickly gives tons of credentials to the idea that the Jewish families were infiltrating societies during the Dark Ages and before. It also makes sense that Christianity was and still is a tool of the globalists, not a tool of the "truth." The collapse of Rome gave them an excellent opportunity to remake "Rome" from scratch using your ancestors, my ancestors, and all of Europe (those of you who are European/of European descent mind you) to do this. It would have been much easier to recruit the "barbarians" than to fight us. My ancestors did not get touched until we started raiding the rest of Europe. Only then did Christians get bold and come up to our lands.

After our kings sold us out Christianity spread like wildfire via the sword. Some converted peacefully while others were executed. It was the process that all but eradicated Paganism in the rest of Europe. The Jewish run Vatican did its' job well using our own people against us. Christianity is not our true heritage. I understand that some European societies have been christianized for nearly two thousand years but understand that my own Nordic ancestors were not Christianized until about the 1000's or so. The spirit of the Old Ways remained alive longer than that in some of the more remote areas. What Christianity did is deprive us of our pride, our Germanic identity, and over time we adopted more Latin traditions. Look at England: Once a proud Anglo-Saxon and Celtic land. After the Latin Normans took over the royal elite became Latin blue bloods like France. There has always been this "strip the gentiles of their culture, and implement Roman culture" sort of process. It was done to greater and lesser extents in certain nations. Notice how the most powerful nations seem to have been the most Latin, IE Spain, Portugal (both formerly Celtic/Gothic lands) England, France. Germany was powerful as well for a time though it was not quite as influenced by Latin culture. BUT notice how they were never even close to the power of Great Britain. France, or Spain. The Netherlands seems to have been one of the few exceptions to this trend as they colonized quite a few distant lands. I am not sure how influenced they were by Latin culture.

Now you see my stance on Christianity and how it was a tool to spread the first mass culture. I believe that the entire affair was the first attempt to create a one world government and it FAILED miserably. There was no way to conquer and keep control of the world with the technology that they had at the time. Cooper was a Christian. A lot of his information resonates with me until he starts trying to bring religion into the affair. My gods are not his gods. I adhere to the religion of my ancestors, my true heritage, and birthright. I refuse to bow down to a foreign god that was forced on all of Europe. How can anyone claim to be against the tyranny of the globalists and be a Christian? Their god is even worse than the globalists when it comes to ruthlessness, narcissism, and tyranny. If my gods are fallen angels then they must be the good ones because I have never felt that my gods were evil. I have only experienced joy and peace in my life as long as I have followed them. I was a true Christian in my youth but I was always afraid of death. Now I do not fear it at all. Atheists claim that religion is only good for comfort. Even if that was true and there were no gods I still feel that I do not live a wasted life. Bill Cooper is died in battle. As far as I am concerned the man is sitting at Odin's table with his ancestors. He was in for a big surprise when he died but I am sure that his life was worthy of Valhalla. I am not trying to bash anyone's beliefs but it blows my mind that Christianity is so common in a movement dedicated to freedom. Where is the freedom in a universe where you bow to an arbitrary deity or have your soul destroyed? That is an ultimatum, not a choice, for though you are free to choose, we on earth are also free to choose obedience to the law of the land, or be thrown into prison.

This was a lot to read I know. I will talk more after a lot of you have said your piece on this. I do not feel that other religions are evil. I am not even sure if there are any other Pagans on this site to be honest. You all seem Christian or New Age to me. Perhaps when we die we simply go where we believe we will go. If all gods are real then perhaps the multiple afterlives are simply different higher dimensions. Of course that brings us into an entirely different debate.
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I don't understand the part about blaming the Jews for what the Roman/Latins did in forcing Christianity on their conquered terriories. The Jews were also victims of the Roman/Latin/Catholic Church. Blaming the Jews deflects from placing the blame where it really belongs
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I don't understand the part about blaming the Jews for what the Roman/Latins did in forcing Christianity on their conquered terriories. The Jews were also victims of the Roman/Latin/Catholic Church. Blaming the Jews deflects from placing the blame where it really belongs
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My theory assumes, and I admit that it assumes, that the Vatican was infiltrated by the old Jewish families at the time. Could the Vatican simply be the Vatican? Could the Zionists/jews have nothing to do with any of this? Possibly. But the bottom line is that Christianity is a tool of conquest. Now they use "democracy" since Christianity is becoming an obsolete tool. Iraq is a good recent example of an older game.
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I don't understand the part about blaming the Jews for what the Roman/Latins did in forcing Christianity on their conquered terriories. The Jews were also victims of the Roman/Latin/Catholic Church. Blaming the Jews deflects from placing the blame where it really belongs
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Exactly, put the blame where it belongs, the Romans fucked the Jews up and the Jews took revenge with their trojan horse called Christianity. You can't only focus on blaming the group you dislike and defending the one you like , that's called being fucking biased.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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I listened to a lot of his stuff back in the day.

Like any of these guys, he had some truth, some bullshit, and a mix thereof.

He must have been on to something, though, because they had him whacked. RIP, big guy.
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Fuckin' pagans...

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I don't understand the part about blaming the Jews for what the Roman/Latins did in forcing Christianity on their conquered terriories. The Jews were also victims of the Roman/Latin/Catholic Church. Blaming the Jews deflects from placing the blame where it really belongs
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My theory assumes, and I admit that it assumes, that the Vatican was infiltrated by the old Jewish families at the time. Could the Vatican simply be the Vatican? Could the Zionists/jews have nothing to do with any of this? Possibly. But the bottom line is that Christianity is a tool of conquest. Now they use "democracy" since Christianity is becoming an obsolete tool. Iraq is a good recent example of an older game.
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Thesis, anthithesis synthesis.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Appreciate your honesty OP. All I can say as a Christian is if you really want to see/know if Jesus is real - ask Him to show you. He will show you in a very personal way.
It's that simple. Yeah, what the Roman Catholic Church did way back when was horrible. I left that church when I was 21. I like Martin Luther having discernment and calling the church on all that was wrong. I like Bill Cooper because of his religion.

Take care kiddo.
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I know it seems that I am completely biased. I am not anti-Jew in the Nazi sense. The visible force behind everything is the Vatican. It always was. I am simply trying to tie in the whole Zionist theory WITH the Vatican to make sense out of history. Not easy I know. Perhaps the Vatican was infiltrated later on? Perhaps the Zionist theory is BS? The Jews themselves may be pawns of someone else. What are aliens? Are the the fae? Elves? Trolls? Giants? These creatures talked about in mythology? Or are they nothing but creations of the mind due to extensive mind control? I want to tie it all together before I am too old to think. I have about fifty good years left in me. banana2
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If he was right about TPTB and all the new age satanic bullshit he warned about, then why don't you believe his faith?

He put his life on the line to warn people about the satanic TPTB, and that should make you think that his faith, Christianity, is correct.

Bill Cooper..

1) was right about warning us of TPTB
2) was right about all of the fakery that TPTB do to fool us
3) was right about the insidious plans TPTB are trying to do
4) was right about his faith, Christianity


WAKE UP OP.
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Well said
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Don't dis William Cooper!!!

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One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Appreciate your honesty OP. All I can say as a Christian is if you really want to see/know if Jesus is real - ask Him to show you. He will show you in a very personal way.
It's that simple. Yeah, what the Roman Catholic Church did way back when was horrible. I left that church when I was 21. I like Martin Luther having discernment and calling the church on all that was wrong. I like Bill Cooper because of his religion.

Take care kiddo.
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Appreciate your honesty OP. All I can say as a Christian is if you really want to see/know if Jesus is real - ask Him to show you. He will show you in a very personal way.
It's that simple. Yeah, what the Roman Catholic Church did way back when was horrible. I left that church when I was 21. I like Martin Luther having discernment and calling the church on all that was wrong. I like Bill Cooper because of his religion.

Take care kiddo.
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But you are missing a couple of vital points: I was a Christian, as Christian as you are believe me. It was my entire world and I even went on a mission trip in high school. I prayed every night for YEARS and read the Bible. The entire nine yards relationship deal. I converted away because Christianity produced nothing but fear in my life. Secondly Christianity would never have spread like it did without the Catholic Church, the very first church besides the Pauline churches. Without Catholics the entire religion would have been wiped out by the Romans. Again I believe that all of Christianity is used in this way, even Protestants. Cuts from the same cloth but without all the ritual and praying to saints.
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It also makes sense that Christianity was and still is a tool of the globalists, not a tool of the "truth."
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So you claim to understand the mind of God, the one true God and Creator of the Universe?

Jesus the Christ and Son of the One True God defeated death. All other "religions" are lies promulgated by agendas. Christ only wanted to offer you salvation and He still does.

Read, pray, repent and ask God earnestly to show you the truth. If you do, He will. I will be happy to answer any questions.

If Bill Cooper was SO critical, analytical, precise and thorough, how is it that He found Christ to be the only truth in all of his studies? The answer is very simple.
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If he was right about TPTB and all the new age satanic bullshit he warned about, then why don't you believe his faith?

He put his life on the line to warn people about the satanic TPTB, and that should make you think that his faith, Christianity, is correct.

Bill Cooper..

1) was right about warning us of TPTB
2) was right about all of the fakery that TPTB do to fool us
3) was right about the insidious plans TPTB are trying to do
4) was right about his faith, Christianity


WAKE UP OP.
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I am awake but I am not going to convert to a religion that I only sense as empty and void. There is nothing there but darkness and chains for me. Why can I not believe what I believe and have a different take on Cooper's info? What if Cooper was wrong about the source of the dark powers ruling the Earth? You do realize that there is duality in almost every religion? My interpretation would imply that TPTB are in fact influence by Surtr, the destroyer of this world, and the bringer of Ragnarok, the End Times. He has an entire army and I would not put it past such entities to have supernatural power. There is a whole host of culprits in the old folklore that could be doing these things. I feel that Cooper made an assumption, the assumption that TPTB are worshiping the darker duality of Christianity. That looks like straw grasping to you but I go with what my soul tells me. If I have to force myself to believe something, how can it be true?
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I often wonder why humans have such need to belong to a religion, it's as if it was somehow intertwined with their racial sense of being. However the truth is that as this is the way things are, there's nothing more destructive than to force a people to adopt a religion that has nothing to do with their racial natures. Look at Europeans today trying to embrace the semitic religion in its dying last breaths while everything crumbles down in their surroundings. They're so scared to let go of Christianity because they have nothing else to cling to, they have forgotten their ancient beliefs and now they're as empty shells.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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If he was right about TPTB and all the new age satanic bullshit he warned about, then why don't you believe his faith?

He put his life on the line to warn people about the satanic TPTB, and that should make you think that his faith, Christianity, is correct.

Bill Cooper..

1) was right about warning us of TPTB
2) was right about all of the fakery that TPTB do to fool us
3) was right about the insidious plans TPTB are trying to do
4) was right about his faith, Christianity


WAKE UP OP.
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I am awake but I am not going to convert to a religion that I only sense as empty and void. There is nothing there but darkness and chains for me. Why can I not believe what I believe and have a different take on Cooper's info? What if Cooper was wrong about the source of the dark powers ruling the Earth? You do realize that there is duality in almost every religion? My interpretation would imply that TPTB are in fact influence by Surtr, the destroyer of this world, and the bringer of Ragnarok, the End Times. He has an entire army and I would not put it past such entities to have supernatural power. There is a whole host of culprits in the old folklore that could be doing these things. I feel that Cooper made an assumption, the assumption that TPTB are worshiping the darker duality of Christianity. That looks like straw grasping to you but I go with what my soul tells me. If I have to force myself to believe something, how can it be true?
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Just remember this, OP..

Christianity is the enemy of TPTB. If Bill Cooper warned you about TPTB, then Christianity is the side you want to be on. Straight up.
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If he was right about TPTB and all the new age satanic bullshit he warned about, then why don't you believe his faith?

He put his life on the line to warn people about the satanic TPTB, and that should make you think that his faith, Christianity, is correct.

Bill Cooper..

1) was right about warning us of TPTB
2) was right about all of the fakery that TPTB do to fool us
3) was right about the insidious plans TPTB are trying to do
4) was right about his faith, Christianity


WAKE UP OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055984


I am awake but I am not going to convert to a religion that I only sense as empty and void. There is nothing there but darkness and chains for me. Why can I not believe what I believe and have a different take on Cooper's info? What if Cooper was wrong about the source of the dark powers ruling the Earth? You do realize that there is duality in almost every religion? My interpretation would imply that TPTB are in fact influence by Surtr, the destroyer of this world, and the bringer of Ragnarok, the End Times. He has an entire army and I would not put it past such entities to have supernatural power. There is a whole host of culprits in the old folklore that could be doing these things. I feel that Cooper made an assumption, the assumption that TPTB are worshiping the darker duality of Christianity. That looks like straw grasping to you but I go with what my soul tells me. If I have to force myself to believe something, how can it be true?
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Just remember this, OP..

Christianity is the enemy of TPTB. If Bill Cooper warned you about TPTB, then Christianity is the side you want to be on. Straight up.
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Yes come back to the fold brother, we need you. Although Christianity is such a weak religion that even having more numbers than the muzzies they will still defeat you with that turn the other cheek mentality.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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I listened to a lot of his stuff back in the day.

Like any of these guys, he had some truth, some bullshit, and a mix thereof.

He must have been on to something, though, because they had him whacked. RIP, big guy.
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Yes on to SOMETHING. I listen to more than one person to get what I feel resonates with me and discard the rest. That is why I said that the only problem I have with him is his religion. That means all of his material that implies that his religion is true I consider either deception fed to him, OR a misunderstanding on his part. BUT those who are Christian will naturally believe all of what he said because it conforms to their understanding of reality. He was a strong, brave, and good man, but I was Christian once, and I have sworn never to be again. An oath sworn to Tyr is broken under pain of death for Tyr suffered pain beyond pain to keep his own oath. I will not dishonor him nor will I return to a religion that does nothing but vex my soul. Bill Cooper believed what was good for Bill Cooper. It made sense to him and connected all the dots. I am not half the man he was in many regards. It drives me to be braver in the same way that Thor inspires me. I have nothing against his character but rather I disagree with him on his religious beliefs.
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I don't understand the part about blaming the Jews for what the Roman/Latins did in forcing Christianity on their conquered terriories. The Jews were also victims of the Roman/Latin/Catholic Church. Blaming the Jews deflects from placing the blame where it really belongs
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My theory assumes, and I admit that it assumes, that the Vatican was infiltrated by the old Jewish families at the time. Could the Vatican simply be the Vatican? Could the Zionists/jews have nothing to do with any of this? Possibly. But the bottom line is that Christianity is a tool of conquest. Now they use "democracy" since Christianity is becoming an obsolete tool. Iraq is a good recent example of an older game.
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Well I have read some history where it says the Romans were trying to force their conquered people to worship Zeus and their other Roman gods well before Christianity started, so they had that pattern going already. It just got a lot more powerful and organized and wiped out any leniency once the Universal/Catholic religion got set up.
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I don't understand the part about blaming the Jews for what the Roman/Latins did in forcing Christianity on their conquered terriories. The Jews were also victims of the Roman/Latin/Catholic Church. Blaming the Jews deflects from placing the blame where it really belongs
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My theory assumes, and I admit that it assumes, that the Vatican was infiltrated by the old Jewish families at the time. Could the Vatican simply be the Vatican? Could the Zionists/jews have nothing to do with any of this? Possibly. But the bottom line is that Christianity is a tool of conquest. Now they use "democracy" since Christianity is becoming an obsolete tool. Iraq is a good recent example of an older game.
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Well I have read some history where it says the Romans were trying to force their conquered people to worship Zeus and their other Roman gods well before Christianity started, so they had that pattern going already. It just got a lot more powerful and organized and wiped out any leniency once the Universal/Catholic religion got set up.
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(Meant to say Jupiter, etc. not Zeus who was Greek)
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I don't understand the part about blaming the Jews for what the Roman/Latins did in forcing Christianity on their conquered terriories. The Jews were also victims of the Roman/Latin/Catholic Church. Blaming the Jews deflects from placing the blame where it really belongs
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My theory assumes, and I admit that it assumes, that the Vatican was infiltrated by the old Jewish families at the time. Could the Vatican simply be the Vatican? Could the Zionists/jews have nothing to do with any of this? Possibly. But the bottom line is that Christianity is a tool of conquest. Now they use "democracy" since Christianity is becoming an obsolete tool. Iraq is a good recent example of an older game.
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Well I have read some history where it says the Romans were trying to force their conquered people to worship Zeus and their other Roman gods well before Christianity started, so they had that pattern going already. It just got a lot more powerful and organized and wiped out any leniency once the Universal/Catholic religion got set up.
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Very good point. The Romans were already doing this before Christianity. But without the Romans Christianity would no longer exist. It is ironic that violence, something that Christians should abhor, is what kept their religion alive. I feel that this fact alone destroys the essence of what Jesus's message was supposed to be. If it was the actual truth, it would not have needed Clovis, or any of the others who massacred innocent people, to spread it. The Pagan religions still exist and all without needing to resort to forced conversions. The Old Ways live on because you cannot destroy what is ingrained in the souls of the People. Every original religion of every race of Men that still exists does so because gods cannot be killed. What is the connection between the religions of Earth? I feel that only the gods can answer this. Believing what I do is complicated sometimes given that the Greeks for example of a similar pantheon with similar deities. Are they the same or simply of the same "race" of gods? Did different gods appear to different races of Men? There is no telling. I do know that the gods are not all of the same "race" but they all deem Humanity important enough to protect. We worship them but they also worship us in some ways. This is not how Christianity works which is what makes it so unappealing to me. They believe that the end goal of Mankind is to worship a self proclaimed single creator of the Universe. The truth I believe is that gods and Men are meant to thrive side by side.
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When all else fails: In my sword I trust. The gods do not always rush to our aid. They know we are capable of defending ourselves. TPTB do not scare me. If they kill me I know where I am going and I will not be ashamed to find my Fathers waiting for me.
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Re: The ONLY problem I have with Bill Cooper is his religion..
Well, I knew Milton William Cooper back in the late 80s and early 90s.

I believed his stories - until they started changing.

So I and a bunch of others started investigating the claims he made of his US Navy career. Oh boy, just asking him for evidence of his claims sent him nuts, and next thing he accuses us of being CIA for not trusting his word.

His tales changed constantly.

He was a fantastic orator, but he was steadily hitting the booze more and more. Also, he started stealing the work of other good researchers, like Lars Hansen - and presenting it as his own. When Lars or anyone complained, they were accused from the stage by Cooper of being CIA agents.

Eventually the UFO research community realised that Bill Cooper was a total liar and a fraud about his past experiences. He was not invited to any more conferences to speak, and no more of his articles were published. He simply could not be trusted.

So after the UFO community ditched him, he invented himself as a born again Christian, and pushed the new world order stuff hardest. At the same time he magically accused the entire UFO community of being in league with the devil.

I can tell you now, he had ZERO interest in christianity, save for the money and fame it brought him.

To this day, one can still access and hear Cooper's drunken death threats left on Don Ecker's answering machine. If you don't know who Don Ecker is, then you are a noob to this whole scene - so listen up carefully.

Cooper started hitting the booze and before long, his christian followers realised he was damaged goods. So he dropped off the radar, got an asian wife who he regularly beat the crap out of while drunk, and did his own internet radio show.

THAT is the mettle and worth of Bill Cooper - who somehow has become a legend and a hero. Cooper is NO hero - he lied, cheated, stole, and bashed his way through people and life.

Anybody can get up on stage and regurgitate stuff from books and videos and claim credit for it. That is what Bill Cooper did - and you NOOBS should STFU with all this praise for that low life piece of crap.

BTW - his death was a reflection of his life. He was drunk and taking pot shots at neighbours. They had no choice but to accidentally make a martyr out of the turd.

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Re: The ONLY problem I have with Bill Cooper is his religion..
Well, I knew Milton William Cooper back in the late 80s and early 90s.

I believed his stories - until they started changing.

So I and a bunch of others started investigating the claims he made of his US Navy career. Oh boy, just asking him for evidence of his claims sent him nuts, and next thing he accuses us of being CIA for not trusting his word.

His tales changed constantly.

He was a fantastic orator, but he was steadily hitting the booze more and more. Also, he started stealing the work of other good researchers, like Lars Hansen - and presenting it as his own. When Lars or anyone complained, they were accused from the stage by Cooper of being CIA agents.

Eventually the UFO research community realised that Bill Cooper was a total liar and a fraud about his past experiences. He was not invited to any more conferences to speak, and no more of his articles were published. He simply could not be trusted.

So after the UFO community ditched him, he invented himself as a born again Christian, and pushed the new world order stuff hardest. At the same time he magically accused the entire UFO community of being in league with the devil.

I can tell you now, he had ZERO interest in christianity, save for the money and fame it brought him.

To this day, one can still access and hear Cooper's drunken death threats left on Don Ecker's answering machine. If you don't know who Don Ecker is, then you are a noob to this whole scene - so listen up carefully.

Cooper started hitting the booze and before long, his christian followers realised he was damaged goods. So he dropped off the radar, got an asian wife who he regularly beat the crap out of while drunk, and did his own internet radio show.

THAT is the mettle and worth of Bill Cooper - who somehow has become a legend and a hero. Cooper is NO hero - he lied, cheated, stole, and bashed his way through people and life.

Anybody can get up on stage and regurgitate stuff from books and videos and claim credit for it. That is what Bill Cooper did - and you NOOBS should STFU with all this praise for that low life piece of crap.

BTW - his death was a reflection of his life. He was drunk and taking pot shots at neighbours. They had no choice but to accidentally make a martyr out of the turd.
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Wow that is an ear full of breaking news for me! As I said before I took what resonated with me from what he said and discarded the rest. I always considered him a brave man even in spite of the fact that I do not agree with his religion, but I had no idea he stole info, or that he had a character like that. It goes against my own morality. So if he really was a meritless wife beater then I was wrong about him. I can admit when I am wrong. I will be sure to have a look at Don Ecker. I am trying to sort through a lot of this stuff. My ignorance comes from the fact that I normally find out about these guys much later than others. I first started researching this information about 4 years ago or so. I started with David dIcke and it went on from there. My problem is that I always put all my stock in one speaker at a time. Now I am trying to take a piece from each person and build a larger picture.
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Re: The ONLY problem I have with Bill Cooper is his religion..
Well, I knew Milton William Cooper back in the late 80s and early 90s.

I believed his stories - until they started changing.

So I and a bunch of others started investigating the claims he made of his US Navy career. Oh boy, just asking him for evidence of his claims sent him nuts, and next thing he accuses us of being CIA for not trusting his word.

His tales changed constantly.

He was a fantastic orator, but he was steadily hitting the booze more and more. Also, he started stealing the work of other good researchers, like Lars Hansen - and presenting it as his own. When Lars or anyone complained, they were accused from the stage by Cooper of being CIA agents.

Eventually the UFO research community realised that Bill Cooper was a total liar and a fraud about his past experiences. He was not invited to any more conferences to speak, and no more of his articles were published. He simply could not be trusted.

So after the UFO community ditched him, he invented himself as a born again Christian, and pushed the new world order stuff hardest. At the same time he magically accused the entire UFO community of being in league with the devil.

I can tell you now, he had ZERO interest in christianity, save for the money and fame it brought him.

To this day, one can still access and hear Cooper's drunken death threats left on Don Ecker's answering machine. If you don't know who Don Ecker is, then you are a noob to this whole scene - so listen up carefully.

Cooper started hitting the booze and before long, his christian followers realised he was damaged goods. So he dropped off the radar, got an asian wife who he regularly beat the crap out of while drunk, and did his own internet radio show.

THAT is the mettle and worth of Bill Cooper - who somehow has become a legend and a hero. Cooper is NO hero - he lied, cheated, stole, and bashed his way through people and life.

Anybody can get up on stage and regurgitate stuff from books and videos and claim credit for it. That is what Bill Cooper did - and you NOOBS should STFU with all this praise for that low life piece of crap.

BTW - his death was a reflection of his life. He was drunk and taking pot shots at neighbours. They had no choice but to accidentally make a martyr out of the turd.
 Quoting: InCogNeatOh



Wow that is an ear full of breaking news for me! As I said before I took what resonated with me from what he said and discarded the rest. I always considered him a brave man even in spite of the fact that I do not agree with his religion, but I had no idea he stole info, or that he had a character like that. It goes against my own morality. So if he really was a meritless wife beater then I was wrong about him. I can admit when I am wrong. I will be sure to have a look at Don Ecker. I am trying to sort through a lot of this stuff. My ignorance comes from the fact that I normally find out about these guys much later than others. I first started researching this information about 4 years ago or so. I started with David dIcke and it went on from there. My problem is that I always put all my stock in one speaker at a time. Now I am trying to take a piece from each person and build a larger picture.
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Cooper was great at articulation about the conspiracy big picture. But it was all stuff just emerging in print and on BBS's back then. He got all the credit for the hard work that REAL researchers did, including researchers that got threats or jail time for their efforts - only to see Bill claiming HE dug it up. Sickening

Some here might say the ends justify the means - if you think that, then you have a lot to learn about life.

Cooper DID wake a lot of people up, but he was an arsehole who included total lies in with the truth.

Your mission is to take Cooper off ANY respect pole, and then CHECK his stuff to find out what was a lie and what was the truth.

Anyway, it is all old news now - but ffs - enough of the worship of this turd!


Edited to add:

And yes, there is not a single person out there with the full picture - you have to pick and choose and test stuff from each of the many sources.

To do this, simply NEVER settle on any one thing as the truth. The truth is like an eternal mountainside - the higher you climb, the more of the view you understand when you look over your shoulder.

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Re: The ONLY problem I have with Bill Cooper is his religion..
Well, I knew Milton William Cooper back in the late 80s and early 90s.

I believed his stories - until they started changing.

So I and a bunch of others started investigating the claims he made of his US Navy career. Oh boy, just asking him for evidence of his claims sent him nuts, and next thing he accuses us of being CIA for not trusting his word.

His tales changed constantly.

He was a fantastic orator, but he was steadily hitting the booze more and more. Also, he started stealing the work of other good researchers, like Lars Hansen - and presenting it as his own. When Lars or anyone complained, they were accused from the stage by Cooper of being CIA agents.

Eventually the UFO research community realised that Bill Cooper was a total liar and a fraud about his past experiences. He was not invited to any more conferences to speak, and no more of his articles were published. He simply could not be trusted.

So after the UFO community ditched him, he invented himself as a born again Christian, and pushed the new world order stuff hardest. At the same time he magically accused the entire UFO community of being in league with the devil.

I can tell you now, he had ZERO interest in christianity, save for the money and fame it brought him.

To this day, one can still access and hear Cooper's drunken death threats left on Don Ecker's answering machine. If you don't know who Don Ecker is, then you are a noob to this whole scene - so listen up carefully.

Cooper started hitting the booze and before long, his christian followers realised he was damaged goods. So he dropped off the radar, got an asian wife who he regularly beat the crap out of while drunk, and did his own internet radio show.

THAT is the mettle and worth of Bill Cooper - who somehow has become a legend and a hero. Cooper is NO hero - he lied, cheated, stole, and bashed his way through people and life.

Anybody can get up on stage and regurgitate stuff from books and videos and claim credit for it. That is what Bill Cooper did - and you NOOBS should STFU with all this praise for that low life piece of crap.

BTW - his death was a reflection of his life. He was drunk and taking pot shots at neighbours. They had no choice but to accidentally make a martyr out of the turd.
 Quoting: InCogNeatOh



Wow that is an ear full of breaking news for me! As I said before I took what resonated with me from what he said and discarded the rest. I always considered him a brave man even in spite of the fact that I do not agree with his religion, but I had no idea he stole info, or that he had a character like that. It goes against my own morality. So if he really was a meritless wife beater then I was wrong about him. I can admit when I am wrong. I will be sure to have a look at Don Ecker. I am trying to sort through a lot of this stuff. My ignorance comes from the fact that I normally find out about these guys much later than others. I first started researching this information about 4 years ago or so. I started with David dIcke and it went on from there. My problem is that I always put all my stock in one speaker at a time. Now I am trying to take a piece from each person and build a larger picture.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18718419



Cooper was great at articulation about the conspiracy big picture. But it was all stuff just emerging in print and on BBS's back then. He got all the credit for the hard work that REAL researchers did, including researchers that got threats or jail time for their efforts - only to see Bill claiming HE dug it up. Sickening

Some here might say the ends justify the means - if you think that, then you have a lot to learn about life.

Cooper DID wake a lot of people up, but he was an arsehole who included total lies in with the truth.

Your mission is to take Cooper off ANY respect pole, and then CHECK his stuff to find out what was a lie and what was the truth.

Anyway, it is all old news now - but ffs - enough of the worship of this turd!


Edited to add:

And yes, there is not a single person out there with the full picture - you have to pick and choose and test stuff from each of the many sources.

To do this, simply NEVER settle on any one thing as the truth. The truth is like an eternal mountainside - the higher you climb, the more of the view you understand when you look over your shoulder.
 Quoting: InCogNeatOh



I am learning a lot over time. I have certainly learned that assuming that only one person is right only ends up with you having your bubble burst when you learn that your "prophet" could be a shill, could be misinformed, or could be being fed lies to an extent. Then you have to go back and find out what was and was not the truth like you just said. Like David dIcke for instance. He started talking about Reptilians well after other people had begun talking about them. Now Icke is considered to be the "reptilian guy" even though he was by no means one who first discovered them. At the same time Icke has never claimed to have pioneered that information so to be honest Icke may be given more credit than he desires.
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I am a red blood Norse Pagan.
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Most of your heritage has been forgotten and also hidden in plain sight.


Before you cement your belief in stone you might put some diligent research into Caucasians migrating north out of the middle east and over the Caucasus mountains.

Now you will likely find some crack pots including this this history along with some other things speak that are'nt quite accurate, but what better way is there to hide the truth than to hide it in plain sight.