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FreeMasons - truth

 
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"The outer work of Freemasonry, though uniform in its fundamental character and its general lines, varies considerably in different countries and different Masonic symbols. "Charitable"or "philanthropic" purposes are chiefly pursued by English, German, and American Masonry, while practically at least, they are neglected by Masons in the Latin countries, who are absorbed by political activity. But even in England, where relatively the largest sums are spent for charitable purposes, Masonic philanthropy does not seem to be inspired by very high ideals of generosity and disinterestedness, at least with respect to the great mass of the brethren; the principal contributions are made by a few very wealthy brethren and the rest by such as are well-to-do.

Moreover, in all countries it is almost exclusively Masons and their families that profit by Masonic charity. Masonic beneficence towards the "profane" world is little more than figurative, consisting in the propagation and application of Masonic principles by which Masons pretend to promote the welfare of mankind; and if Masons, particularly in Catholic countries, occasionally devote themselves to charitable works as ordinarily understood, their aim is to gain sympathy and thereby further their real purposes."

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"Masonry does not change human nature, and cannot make honest men out of born knaves."

"The Square inculcates Morality; the Level, Equality; and the Plumb, Rectitude of Conduct."

"In your studies as a Fellow-Craft you must be guided by REASON, LOVE and FAITH."

"He who does right is better than he who thinks right. But you must not act upon the hypothesis that all men are hypocrites, whose conduct does not square with their sentiments."

"Humility should dwell with frailty, and atone for ignorance, error and imperfection."

"It is good to enjoy the blessings of fortune; it is better to submit without a pang to their loss."

"Liberty is the summit, Equality the base."

"Pride in unsound theories is worse than ignorance."

Pike, Albert (2011-03-30). Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry
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Mentioning "the nobody" rodent't exactly help your case...

But what do I know?
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Nothing much.

That is why you are a mason.
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Mentioning "the nobody" rodent't exactly help your case...

But what do I know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2263358


Nothing much.

That is why you are a mason.
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Well, at least I don't go around insulting people.
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Mentioning "the nobody" rodent't exactly help your case...

But what do I know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2263358


Nothing much.

That is why you are a mason.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Well, at least I don't go around insulting people.
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No. You belong to a "brotherhood" that micro-waves them alive!

(when you can't get the cops to beat them.)

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lets get factual. Can informed participants confirm this?

1- Basis of Masonry is Gnostics and Theosophy:
The creator was Wisdom or Adam Kamon

2- Evil & good are at the same level
3- Godhead is unknown. IHVH is a lesser bad god for humanity;
Lucifer is another lesser god but good for humanity
4- Christ was a tool of the Godhead, not of IHVH
5- New Jersulamen is a world under the some political and spiritual Lider
6- Royal secret is ability to kill and defence of Evil
7- Getting to the celestial lodge in practice means that important men keepliving in the mind of humanity
8- The arriving of spirits from Sirius to the Earth is just something minoritarian, not general belief

9- do not accept limits, free from idea of sin, like gods are
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pretty accurate. will detail later if you're still around
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Mentioning "the nobody" rodent't exactly help your case...

But what do I know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2263358


Nothing much.

That is why you are a mason.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Well, at least I don't go around insulting people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2263358


No. You belong to a "brotherhood" that micro-waves them alive!

(when you can't get the cops to beat them.)
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I can assure you that I have nothing to do with that.

I'm not going to assume that you're schizophrenic just because what you're saying sounds very much similar to what many known schizophrenics have said...but at this point, I can't discount that as a strong possibility.

Like I said, I'm sorry that you're going through difficulties, no matter what they may be. I wish that I could help you but I doubt that's possible.
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lets get factual. Can informed participants confirm this?

1- Basis of Masonry is Gnostics and Theosophy:
The creator was Wisdom or Adam Kamon

2- Evil & good are at the same level
3- Godhead is unknown. IHVH is a lesser bad god for humanity;
Lucifer is another lesser god but good for humanity
4- Christ was a tool of the Godhead, not of IHVH
5- New Jersulamen is a world under the some political and spiritual Lider
6- Royal secret is ability to kill and defence of Evil
7- Getting to the celestial lodge in practice means that important men keepliving in the mind of humanity
8- The arriving of spirits from Sirius to the Earth is just something minoritarian, not general belief

9- do not accept limits, free from idea of sin, like gods are
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pretty accurate. will detail later if you're still around
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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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my reply was addressed to the op, with the point of starting a meaningful conversation.
if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
truth is a state of being, not strings of words put on paper

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I can assure you that I have nothing to do with that.

I'm not going to assume that you're schizophrenic just because what you're saying sounds very much similar to what many known schizophrenics have said...but at this point, I can't discount that as a strong possibility.

Like I said, I'm sorry that you're going through difficulties, no matter what they may be. I wish that I could help you but I doubt that's possible.
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Co-workers who participate in what I have termed (and they have memorized) Theater, have specifically told me:

"Maybe your mission in life is to show that masons are wrong!"

To which I have replyed:

"Many have come and shown before me! Why me?"

They have NO PITY for the state of your mental-health!

YOU DID MAKE AN OATH! The oath is HIGHLY unethical in itself.

The "brotherhood" is CRIMINAL.

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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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my reply was addressed to the op, with the point of starting a meaningful conversation.
if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
truth is a state of being, not strings of words put on paper
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Truth is not a state of being.

Truth is truth.
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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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my reply was addressed to the op, with the point of starting a meaningful conversation.
if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
truth is a state of being, not strings of words put on paper
 Quoting: andreidita


Truth is not a state of being.

Truth is truth.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


i will repeat also for you friend

if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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my reply was addressed to the op, with the point of starting a meaningful conversation.
if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
truth is a state of being, not strings of words put on paper
 Quoting: andreidita


Truth is not a state of being.

Truth is truth.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


i will repeat also for you friend

if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
 Quoting: andreidita


Truth is like this:

Truth is revealed in the time of my comment above about truth:

12:33

333

That is Truth In Action.

Not a "state of being".
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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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my reply was addressed to the op, with the point of starting a meaningful conversation.
if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
truth is a state of being, not strings of words put on paper
 Quoting: andreidita


Truth is not a state of being.

Truth is truth.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


That's not entirely accurate. Truth is subjective and based on perception.

A perfect example of this is how you declare it to be "true" that Masons are microwave people to death. I'm sure that you believe it. You'd probably pass a lie detector test about it.

But to me, you appear to be delusional. I would pass a lie detector test saying that Masons are NOT harassing people in any way, let alone microwaving people to death.

Both of us would be telling the honest-to-god truth as we know it.
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Truth is like this:

Truth is revealed in the time of my comment above about truth:

12:33

333

That is Truth In Action.

Not a "state of being".
 Quoting: TruthMinion


don't have the mood to be drawn in a fight
you do not need to find anything, it seems
for you think you already know it all.
so why do you even bother picking up conversations just to prove that you are right and the other is wrong? :)
you do not invest the slightest effort into attuning your mental world with that of the one you are talking to.
thus, no effort will be spent in your direction too
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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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my reply was addressed to the op, with the point of starting a meaningful conversation.
if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
truth is a state of being, not strings of words put on paper
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Pardon me please.

I'm just wondering how you find any of the OP's conjectures to be true in any way? As a longtime Mason, I can't imagine how.

What is your background in relation to the subject?
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Truth is subjective and based on perception.


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and for meaningful communication to ensure, effort to attune the subjective world-views is needed from all parties involved
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Truth is subjective and based on perception.


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and for meaningful communication to ensure, effort to attune the subjective world-views is needed from all parties involved
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Which is why terms must be strictly defined in order to ensure meaningful discourse.
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How is ANY of that "accurate"? What is your background? Another internet "researcher"?
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my reply was addressed to the op, with the point of starting a meaningful conversation.
if you want we start a conversation, would you be so kind to be more friendly? :)
truth is a state of being, not strings of words put on paper
 Quoting: andreidita


Truth is not a state of being.

Truth is truth.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


That's not entirely accurate. Truth is subjective and based on perception.

A perfect example of this is how you declare it to be "true" that Masons are microwave people to death. I'm sure that you believe it. You'd probably pass a lie detector test about it.

But to me, you appear to be delusional. I would pass a lie detector test saying that Masons are NOT harassing people in any way, let alone microwaving people to death.

Both of us would be telling the honest-to-god truth as we know it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2263358


I have a medical condition in the eye, that it was caused by the waves. I have pictures of the before and after bananas (organic matter get burned just as the same). I have photos of the skin blisters.

The masons are not against the Catholic Church. They are in bed with them. It is all bullshit!

My computer (second that I have bought) that sees no internet, moves the mouse by itself!!

My apartment has been completely turned off the lights, while all the rest in the building was on.

They have THAT MUCH CONTROL OVER MY LIFE!!

And what do I have outside my house??

A sad, criminal, violent, masonic controlled world.

Read about Brasilia's corruption.

That is all you need to know about Masonry.

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Truth is like this:

Truth is revealed in the time of my comment above about truth:

12:33

333

That is Truth In Action.

Not a "state of being".
 Quoting: TruthMinion


don't have the mood to be drawn in a fight
you do not need to find anything, it seems
for you think you already know it all.
so why do you even bother picking up conversations just to prove that you are right and the other is wrong? :)
you do not invest the slightest effort into attuning your mental world with that of the one you are talking to.
thus, no effort will be spent in your direction too
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Do you think it is easy being me in a world of imbeciles???
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Pardon me please.

I'm just wondering how you find any of the OP's conjectures to be true in any way? As a longtime Mason, I can't imagine how.

What is your background in relation to the subject?
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no offence taken :)

the point is one who honestly tries to understand such matters
and who has enough mental striving to spell his assumptions in 9 points, seeking confirmation or the contrary from other seekers, like the op

even if all his assumptions are completely false as statements

nevertheless he is infinitely closer to truth, than those mindless ones stating tautologies like t is t

for the first one has a good chance to understand the falsity of his assumptions, while the second needs divine intervention for such miracle to happen :)

my response to the op was just a cooperative and friendly first move, because this is conductive to soul opening

and the aim is always to enlighten the ones travelling the path you already traveled

for me at least

as for my background i will gladly entertain in a meaningful conversation with you on life, soul purpose and the universe exemplified in particular/personal details and also general abstract ideas.
for you are an enjoyable partner

just that a little later, for now i was just preparing to go offline for a while
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Do you think it is easy being me in a world of imbeciles???

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no, for i already died and got reborn
so i know too well those who hunger for pure souls
weak humans who made compromises towards their souls
are hosts for them
and you can find weak humans in ALL organizations of the world
but there are also ones who have light in their soul and have specific missions inside those fallen organizations
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Masonry has as its decalogue, which is as a law to its Initiates. These are its Ten Commandments;

I. God is the Eternal, Omnipotent Immutable Wisdom, Supreme Intellligence and Exhaustless Love. Thou shalt adore, revere, and love him! Thou shalt honor him by practicing the virtues!

II. Thy religion shall be, to do good because it is a pleasure to thee, and not merely because it is a duty. That thou mayest become the friend of the wiseman, thou shalt obey his precepts! Thy soul is immortal! Thou shalt do nothing to degrade it!

III. Thalt shall unceasingly war against vice! Thou shalt not do unto others that which thou wouldst not wish for them to do unto thee! Thou shalt be submissive to thy fortunes, and keep burning the light of wisdom!

IV. Thou shalt honor thy parents! Thou shalt pay respect and homage to the aged! Thou shalt instruct the young! Thou shalt protect and defend infancy and innocence!

V. Thou shalt cherish thy wife and thy children! Thou shalt love thy country, and obey its laws!

VI. Thy friend shall be to thee a second self. Misfortune shall not estrange thee from him! Thou shalt do for his memory whatever thou wouldst do for him, were he living!

VII. Thou shalt avoid and flee from insincere friendships! Thou shalt in everything refrain from excess! Thou shalt fear to be the cause of a stain on thy memory!

VIII. Thou shalt allow no passions to become thy master! Thou shalt make the passions of others profitable lessons to thyself! Thou shalt be indulgent to error!

IX. Thou shalt hear much; Thou shalt speak little; Thou shalt act well! Thou shalt forget injuries! Thou shalt render good for evil! Thou shalt not misuse either thy strength or thy superiority!

X. Thou shalt study to know men, that thereby thou mayest learn to know thyself! Thou shalt ever seek after virtue! Thou shalt be just! Thou shalt avoid idleness of thought and deed!

But the great commandment of Masonry is this:
"A New Commandment give I unto Thee; That ye love one another! He That saith he is in the Light, and hateth his brother, remaineth still in the Darkness!" Such are the moral duties of a Mason. But it is also the duty of all FreeMasons to assist in elevating the moral and intellectual level of society; in coining of knowledge, bringing ideas into circulation, and causing the mind of youth to grow; and in putting, gradually, by the teaching of axioms and the promulgation of positive laws, the human race in harmony with its destinies.
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What is your background in relation to the subject?
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rigelian descent via venusian soul substance into rose blood lineage

33 degrees of honest work to better humanity
make for one degree of blood purity
and 33 degrees of blood purity
make for one degree in spirit
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Ok, I'll try one more time, to get a straight answer.

Do masons carry out acts that are objectively immoral, in order to bring about a desired result?
I'm not interested in whether the result eventuates or not.
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NO.........!!!

Only the catholic church are objectively immoral in their "dealings".

OK..I'll ask YOU a question.
Why aren't Freemasons being called upon appear at a public inquiry, to "explain" their "behaviour".......?
.......and perhaps you can explain why the catholic church is doing so.

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I am sure not all people who undertake the oaths of freemasonry do so with full awareness of what it is they are devoting themselves to.
For me, to have to make an oath, of blind and total obedience, to a group of men whose aims I do not even know, and who keep secrets from me, would be like losing my soul.

"The oath... of the first degree is as follows: "I, in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, . . . do hereby and hereon solemnly and sincerely swear, that I will always hide, conceal and never reveal any part or parts, any point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry which may heretofore have been known by, shall now or may at any future time be communicated to me" etc. "These several points I solemnly swear to observe under no less penalty, than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root and my body buried in the sands of the sea", "or the more efficient punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth". "So help me God" etc.
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I am sure not all people who undertake the oaths of freemasonry do so with full awareness of what it is they are devoting themselves to.
For me, to have to make an oath, of blind and total obedience, to a group of men whose aims I do not even know, and who keep secrets from me, would be like losing my soul.

"The oath... of the first degree is as follows: "I, in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, . . . do hereby and hereon solemnly and sincerely swear, that I will always hide, conceal and never reveal any part or parts, any point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry which may heretofore have been known by, shall now or may at any future time be communicated to me" etc. "These several points I solemnly swear to observe under no less penalty, than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root and my body buried in the sands of the sea", "or the more efficient punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth". "So help me God" etc.
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Ok, I'll try one more time, to get a straight answer.

Do masons carry out acts that are objectively immoral, in order to bring about a desired result?
I'm not interested in whether the result eventuates or not.
 Quoting: K.Kool


NO.........!!!

Only the catholic church are objectively immoral in their "dealings".

OK..I'll ask YOU a question.
Why aren't Freemasons being called upon appear at a public inquiry, to "explain" their "behaviour".......?
.......and perhaps you can explain why the catholic church is doing so.

Idol1
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While some priests have succumbed to satan, it is impossible for the Church to act immorally.
The living presence of the Holy Spirit in the Church guarantees this.

I would suggest the masons are not brought before a public inquiry because they present a clean public image, while their real work remains secret.
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I've got a great idea.
Why not lock up a bunch of masons in a room with some jesuits. Throw in a few mormons and jehovah's witnesses for good measure and a handful of muslims. Just to make it real fun, add a couple of life insurance salesmen to the mix. Almost forgot....a couple of bull dykes, too. With the name Janet, of course. Leave them in there for a few days and see who comes out alive.
Great Fun, what.
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All I know is that they raped my aunts and tried to get my dad to suck dick
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That was your grandfather asswipe not the freemasons
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Do you think it is easy being me in a world of imbeciles???

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no, for i already died and got reborn
so i know too well those who hunger for pure souls
weak humans who made compromises towards their souls
are hosts for them
and you can find weak humans in ALL organizations of the world
but there are also ones who have light in their soul and have specific missions inside those fallen organizations
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You are no freemason - simply a lunatic

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