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Op, have you ever read 'Programmed to Serve' by Nena Black? It's pretty graphic (sex), but she claims to have undergone MK Ultra or some similar form of mind control in New York in the 60s-70s. Interesting read, nonetheless.

[link to www.amazon.com]
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I've avoided most of the mk-erotica (scary how much is out there), just because it seems like fluff. How much of here non-bedroom story is there in it?
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Not much, I think the first chapter or so deals with her programming in childhood, then the rest is sexual exploits...
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I skimmed the first few pages. Pretty classic but not many details.
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Good evening OP. How are you?
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Good evening OP. How are you?
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iwish Still trying to get this crap out of my head.
You? :)
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Good evening OP. How are you?
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iwish Still trying to get this crap out of my head.
You? :)
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


I can control the sun, and the weather a bit.

Trippy is the best way I can put it.

So... yeah. I'm good.

:evesunsmile:
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I skimmed the first few pages. Pretty classic but not many details.
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:FORYOU:
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Good evening OP. How are you?
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iwish Still trying to get this crap out of my head.
You? :)
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


I can control the sun, and the weather a bit.

Trippy is the best way I can put it.

So... yeah. I'm good.

:evesunsmile:
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Last person I knew that claimed to control the weather also just happened to have access to some sort of pre-HARP lab. It was a bad year for tornadoes.

Just being able to change it a little sounds a whole lot safer.
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I skimmed the first few pages. Pretty classic but not many details.
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:FORYOU:
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ty hf
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Good evening OP. How are you?
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iwish Still trying to get this crap out of my head.
You? :)
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


I can control the sun, and the weather a bit.

Trippy is the best way I can put it.

So... yeah. I'm good.

:evesunsmile:
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Last person I knew that claimed to control the weather also just happened to have access to some sort of pre-HARP lab. It was a bad year for tornadoes.

Just being able to change it a little sounds a whole lot safer.
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I think it might be a new line of work for me, though I need to work some on my rain dance.
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Now I keep thinking about that book. The back story vaguely matches but I don't wanna be from the same cohort as sleazy porn writers.

rofl
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help?! lol :/
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help?! lol :/
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What's up?
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Some of those books are like most horror movies. Themovies star a bunch of young half dressed beautifull girls that are killed in bloody awful ways, trying to equate that sex and violence are connected.So those type books on monark victims are basically doing the same thing.
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Loop,

As an epiphanaic person you are, I was wondering your Mk Ultra thoughts on:

What existed before the United States hand any Mk-Ultra or pre Mk Ultra programs and before Adolf Hitler was even born?

Why did people do what they did before Adolf Hitler was born?

What was the cause and effect of what people did before Adolf Hitler was born?

Why do you think the leaders of various groups did what they did after WWII?

Curious about your input!
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Loop,

As an epiphanaic person you are, I was wondering your Mk Ultra thoughts on:

What existed before the United States hand any Mk-Ultra or pre Mk Ultra programs and before Adolf Hitler was even born?

Why did people do what they did before Adolf Hitler was born?

What was the cause and effect of what people did before Adolf Hitler was born?

Why do you think the leaders of various groups did what they did after WWII?

Curious about your input!
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What did we do before we were all put into a petri dish? Crap. I don't know. I wasn't there. If we trust history to be accurate (ha) then it was a system of controls that included more hands on government such as the feudal system and of course religion and possibly a reduction of protein in the diet to keep people as imbeciles. Or were those concepts just inserted into our modern books so that we might assume that things are as they always were? Are we in essence transplanted into this system of controls and fed nothing but lies? Many people might go with that conclusion because they feel as if the system they are in is not a natural fit - there is a certain level of discomfort that no amount of pharmaceuticals can completely extinguish.

As for why governments did what they did post WWII. War does not simply end as we have been taught far too simplistically in the history books. It does not have neat and tidy points where it stops and the good guy wins and the bad guy goes home defeated. That doesn't fit into human nature, and war involves many humans. One does not simply stop a life's work and say "oh yeah, the other guy defeated me, I think I'll go take up pastry baking now". The US and allies, in their power, or lack of power depending on how you look at it - came to an agreement with the other side and became them - hence Project Paperclip and MK Ultra sitting in the states these days. It was an integration, not an annihilation. The people of some countries feel it more severely than the people of other countries. For most intents and purposes, our unique national petri dishes all hold a slightly different version of the systems of control and experimentation - just as a scientist might want to try different drugs on bacteria that are sitting in their own isolated petri dishes, or how a government might need to push one regulation a bit harder in one location than in another in order to get consistent results.

If we trust my gut, we've always been at war, on one level or another. But I come from a dark place where struggle is life, so maybe I have a dark perspective. Ah hell, I've seen human experimentation in person - and not the cleaned up version - so I know my perspective is dark. Maybe we're just sitting in one giant concentration camp and there's still life beyond the walls, it's just that we've been lied to for so long that we are no longer capable of seeing where the exit is.
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Completely missed seeing this thread. Is it too late to suggest a pin on it.. hope not. More people need to be made aware of the MK horror and how it has ruined lives.

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TRUTH.. it's stranger than FICTION..

to be sure we are on the same "page" we must first be in the same BOOK

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"Ah hell, I've seen human experimentation in person - and not the cleaned up version"

______

Did you ever get a sense of the type of people who would engage in this experimentation - the scientists and I guess doctors?

To me, possibly the most depraved evil is the bureaucratic, passionless, meticulous kind. The kind of person who would inflict devastation on another human being, while remaining utterly cold, "scientific," and clinical.

The kind of person who could do this kind of work as their job, their employment, and who could then interact with others in the outside world watch the news, go shopping, whatever, and then go back to torturing poor, captive souls the next day, and on and on, not feeling a thing, not even experiencing any apparent intellectual discomfort at what they are doing.

Anyway....
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"Ah hell, I've seen human experimentation in person - and not the cleaned up version"

______

Did you ever get a sense of the type of people who would engage in this experimentation - the scientists and I guess doctors?

To me, possibly the most depraved evil is the bureaucratic, passionless, meticulous kind. The kind of person who would inflict devastation on another human being, while remaining utterly cold, "scientific," and clinical.

The kind of person who could do this kind of work as their job, their employment, and who could then interact with others in the outside world watch the news, go shopping, whatever, and then go back to torturing poor, captive souls the next day, and on and on, not feeling a thing, not even experiencing any apparent intellectual discomfort at what they are doing.

Anyway....
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If I had to give one type, I would say professionals, mainly higher ranking professionals - whether in government or research. People will do many things that are "simply part of their job" and go home at the end of the day and disconnect from that. The only ones I saw breaking away from it at all or showing some sort of second thoughts were those that weren't paid well enough.
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Loop,

As an epiphanaic person you are, I was wondering your Mk Ultra thoughts on:

What existed before the United States hand any Mk-Ultra or pre Mk Ultra programs and before Adolf Hitler was even born?

Why did people do what they did before Adolf Hitler was born?

What was the cause and effect of what people did before Adolf Hitler was born?

Why do you think the leaders of various groups did what they did after WWII?

Curious about your input!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35441430


What did we do before we were all put into a petri dish? Crap. I don't know. I wasn't there. If we trust history to be accurate (ha) then it was a system of controls that included more hands on government such as the feudal system and of course religion and possibly a reduction of protein in the diet to keep people as imbeciles. Or were those concepts just inserted into our modern books so that we might assume that things are as they always were? Are we in essence transplanted into this system of controls and fed nothing but lies? Many people might go with that conclusion because they feel as if the system they are in is not a natural fit - there is a certain level of discomfort that no amount of pharmaceuticals can completely extinguish.

As for why governments did what they did post WWII. War does not simply end as we have been taught far too simplistically in the history books. It does not have neat and tidy points where it stops and the good guy wins and the bad guy goes home defeated. That doesn't fit into human nature, and war involves many humans. One does not simply stop a life's work and say "oh yeah, the other guy defeated me, I think I'll go take up pastry baking now". The US and allies, in their power, or lack of power depending on how you look at it - came to an agreement with the other side and became them - hence Project Paperclip and MK Ultra sitting in the states these days. It was an integration, not an annihilation. The people of some countries feel it more severely than the people of other countries. For most intents and purposes, our unique national petri dishes all hold a slightly different version of the systems of control and experimentation - just as a scientist might want to try different drugs on bacteria that are sitting in their own isolated petri dishes, or how a government might need to push one regulation a bit harder in one location than in another in order to get consistent results.

If we trust my gut, we've always been at war, on one level or another. But I come from a dark place where struggle is life, so maybe I have a dark perspective. Ah hell, I've seen human experimentation in person - and not the cleaned up version - so I know my perspective is dark. Maybe we're just sitting in one giant concentration camp and there's still life beyond the walls, it's just that we've been lied to for so long that we are no longer capable of seeing where the exit is.
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


My thinkings was that before Adolf Hilter, it was just your mother being a control freak.

For said programs, I had several thoughts of different individuals:

1) Homo sapiens that just wanted to control people.
2) Homo sapiens that had a desire to build civilizations with prosperity and continuity that was dependent upon homo sapiens only. However flawed, they tried to decide how they thought things should be, they tried to determine how they could subjugate people, and they tried to force a way of life upon people.
3) And in some cases, a person deciding what facets of subjugation are against the law and trying to figure out how to train agents to oppose and stop forcible subjugation. I myself dont actually condone in agents practicing subjugation upon new agents in the claim that it is the way that a new agent would be able to identify, oppose and stop forcible subjugation upon the citizenry. But then again, the way society is today, I can only say I dont condone in it.
4) Homo sapiens that have a deluded concepts on the 5th commandment and turn to forcible subjugation and when they are done they say, "Wait, I did not kill a homo sapien, he is right there living and breathing", not that that is actually in most cases worth anything.
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My thinkings was that before Adolf Hilter, it was just your mother being a control freak.

For said programs, I had several thoughts of different individuals:

1) Homo sapiens that just wanted to control people.
2) Homo sapiens that had a desire to build civilizations with prosperity and continuity that was dependent upon homo sapiens only. However flawed, they tried to decide how they thought things should be, they tried to determine how they could subjugate people, and they tried to force a way of life upon people.
3) And in some cases, a person deciding what facets of subjugation are against the law and trying to figure out how to train agents to oppose and stop forcible subjugation. I myself dont actually condone in agents practicing subjugation upon new agents in the claim that it is the way that a new agent would be able to identify, oppose and stop forcible subjugation upon the citizenry. But then again, the way society is today, I can only say I dont condone in it.
4) Homo sapiens that have a deluded concepts on the 5th commandment and turn to forcible subjugation and when they are done they say, "Wait, I did not kill a homo sapien, he is right there living and breathing", not that that is actually in most cases worth anything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35441430


On moms:

I think one of the problems with growing up in a household with a tradition of absolute respect for adult authority, is that absolute respect for authority becomes an ingrained habit that cannot be broken when adulthood arrives, no matter how psychotic the authority might be. Of course others take advantage of that. Thus a strong-handed or absolute loyalty-requiring family unit may very well equal a subjugated society.
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Loop,

Were you a young english girl that was observed being hazed with illegal narcotics and being subjugated by homo sapiens in New England and north/east United States during the 1970s? or early 1980s? and was rescued from the drug pushing subjugators?

Or were you not even in the area during those time frames?
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"Ah hell, I've seen human experimentation in person - and not the cleaned up version"

______

Did you ever get a sense of the type of people who would engage in this experimentation - the scientists and I guess doctors?

To me, possibly the most depraved evil is the bureaucratic, passionless, meticulous kind. The kind of person who would inflict devastation on another human being, while remaining utterly cold, "scientific," and clinical.

The kind of person who could do this kind of work as their job, their employment, and who could then interact with others in the outside world watch the news, go shopping, whatever, and then go back to torturing poor, captive souls the next day, and on and on, not feeling a thing, not even experiencing any apparent intellectual discomfort at what they are doing.

Anyway....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38706893


If I had to give one type, I would say professionals, mainly higher ranking professionals - whether in government or research. People will do many things that are "simply part of their job" and go home at the end of the day and disconnect from that. The only ones I saw breaking away from it at all or showing some sort of second thoughts were those that weren't paid well enough.
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


Criminals who should be executed, or subjected to the same things they made others endure. Guess it will likely never happen, but that would be the sentence if I had the power.

The injustice and evil of it all is pretty demoralizing. Well, what can you do I guess....

I
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Loop,

Were you a young english girl that was observed being hazed with illegal narcotics and being subjugated by homo sapiens in New England and north/east United States during the 1970s? or early 1980s? and was rescued from the drug pushing subjugators?

Or were you not even in the area during those time frames?
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Hm.
Well, part of that is right.
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"Ah hell, I've seen human experimentation in person - and not the cleaned up version"

______

Did you ever get a sense of the type of people who would engage in this experimentation - the scientists and I guess doctors?

To me, possibly the most depraved evil is the bureaucratic, passionless, meticulous kind. The kind of person who would inflict devastation on another human being, while remaining utterly cold, "scientific," and clinical.

The kind of person who could do this kind of work as their job, their employment, and who could then interact with others in the outside world watch the news, go shopping, whatever, and then go back to torturing poor, captive souls the next day, and on and on, not feeling a thing, not even experiencing any apparent intellectual discomfort at what they are doing.

Anyway....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38706893


If I had to give one type, I would say professionals, mainly higher ranking professionals - whether in government or research. People will do many things that are "simply part of their job" and go home at the end of the day and disconnect from that. The only ones I saw breaking away from it at all or showing some sort of second thoughts were those that weren't paid well enough.
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


Criminals who should be executed, or subjected to the same things they made others endure. Guess it will likely never happen, but that would be the sentence if I had the power.

The injustice and evil of it all is pretty demoralizing. Well, what can you do I guess....

I
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hugs
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Completely missed seeing this thread. Is it too late to suggest a pin on it.. hope not. More people need to be made aware of the MK horror and how it has ruined lives.

:pindis:
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Thanks hugs

Although a more general thread on the subject might be more deserving of a pin.
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Anyone met their handler in real world?

How do you stop slowly killing your self with programming still there?
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Anyone met their handler in real world?

How do you stop slowly killing your self with programming still there?
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For the first Q:

Spent thousands of hours with them.
I assume it would be hard to manipulate a person if there was no personal relationship and if the victim hadn't shared and unwittingly handed over a few of their likes/dislikes/fears/loves/triggers to be abused and taken advantage of.

You from some computer/television age cohort?

As for the second Q:
Idk. Baby steps? hugs
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Loop,

You need to remember that after any Mk Ultra like project:

There were those that were victims that were strong and exacted vengence upon the drug hazers and physical subjugators.

There were those that were not victims that simply opposed such subjugation techniques that exacted extreme prejudice against the drug hazers and physical subjugators.

You will always be part of the family of those that opposed MK Ultra like projects and those that survived!!!
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Loop,

You need to remember that after any Mk Ultra like project:

There were those that were victims that were strong and exacted vengence upon the drug hazers and physical subjugators.

There were those that were not victims that simply opposed such subjugation techniques that exacted extreme prejudice against the drug hazers and physical subjugators.

You will always be part of the family of those that opposed MK Ultra like projects and those that survived!!!
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Thanks.
hf
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Loop,

So...What exactly was your point and reason in looking for others from the same Mk Ultra cohort?





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