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HERE IT IS! Pentagon Unilaterally Grants Itself Authority Over ‘Civil Disturbances’ Using the military on US soil without the need for POTUS sign

 
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[snip]

The manhunt for the Boston Marathon bombing suspects offered the nation a window into the stunning military-style capabilities of our local law enforcement agencies. For the past 30 years, police departments throughout the United States have benefitted from the government’s largesse in the form of military weaponry and training, incentives offered in the ongoing “War on Drugs.” For the average citizen watching events such as the intense pursuit of the Tsarnaev brothers on television, it would be difficult to discern between fully outfitted police SWAT teams and the military.

The lines blurred even further Monday as a new dynamic was introduced to the militarization of domestic law enforcement. By making a few subtle changes to a regulation in the U.S. Code titled “Defense Support of Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies” the military has quietly granted itself the ability to police the streets without obtaining prior local or state consent, upending a precedent that has been in place for more than two centuries.

The most objectionable aspect of the regulatory change is the inclusion of vague language that permits military intervention in the event of “civil disturbances.” According to the rule:

Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.

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good catch citi , 5stars and a pin suggestion
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good catch citi , 5stars and a pin suggestion
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[Snip]
Sec. 182.4 Policy.

It is DoD policy that:
(a) The Department of Defense shall be prepared to support civilian
law enforcement agencies consistent with the needs of military
preparedness of the United States, while recognizing and conforming to
the legal limitations on direct DoD involvement in civilian law
enforcement activities.
(b) Support of civilian law enforcement agencies by DoD personnel
shall be provided in accordance with 18 U.S.C. 112, 351, 831, 1116,
1751, and 1385 (also known and hereinafter referred to as ``The Posse
Comitatus Act, as amended'')
; 10 U.S.C. chapter 18; 2 U.S.C. 1970 (for
support to the U.S. Capitol Police); and other Federal laws, including
those protecting the civil rights and civil liberties of individuals,
as applicable.
(c) The restrictions in Sec. 182.6(a)(1)(iii) shall apply to all
actions of DoD personnel worldwide.
(d) Exceptions, based on compelling and extraordinary
circumstances, may be granted to the restrictions in Sec.
182.6(a)(1)(iii) for assistance to be provided outside the United
States; only the Secretary of Defense or Deputy Secretary of Defense
may grant such exceptions.

(e) Requests for law enforcement support shall be evaluated using
the criteria in 32 CFR part 185.

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i'll stop reading as i go.. it's a big document but here

[snip]
Executive Summary

I. Purpose of the Regulatory Action

a. The purpose of this rule is to implement the statutory
requirements for the Department of Defense support of civilian law
enforcement agencies. This rule provides specific policy direction and
assigns responsibilities to Department of Defense key individuals
providing support to Federal, State, Tribal, and local law enforcement
agencies, including response to civil disturbances within the United
States, including the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto
Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, the Commonwealth
of the Northern Mariana Islands, and any territory or possession of the
United States or any other political subdivision thereof.
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Moving fast....keeping us occupied with 'scandals'. Scary stuff here...
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[snip]

The manhunt for the Boston Marathon bombing suspects offered the nation a window into the stunning military-style capabilities of our local law enforcement agencies. For the past 30 years, police departments throughout the United States have benefitted from the government’s largesse in the form of military weaponry and training, incentives offered in the ongoing “War on Drugs.” For the average citizen watching events such as the intense pursuit of the Tsarnaev brothers on television, it would be difficult to discern between fully outfitted police SWAT teams and the military.

The lines blurred even further Monday as a new dynamic was introduced to the militarization of domestic law enforcement. By making a few subtle changes to a regulation in the U.S. Code titled “Defense Support of Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies” the military has quietly granted itself the ability to police the streets without obtaining prior local or state consent, upending a precedent that has been in place for more than two centuries.

The most objectionable aspect of the regulatory change is the inclusion of vague language that permits military intervention in the event of “civil disturbances.” According to the rule:

Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.

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 Quoting: Citizenperth


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Check this:

Sec. 182.2 Applicability and scope.

This part:
(a) Applies to the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), the
Military Departments, the Office of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff and the Joint Staff, the Combatant Commands, the Defense
Agencies, the DoD Field Activities, and all other organizational
entities within the Department of Defense (hereafter referred to
collectively as the ``DoD Components'').
(b) Applies to the Office of the Inspector General of the
Department of Defense (IG, DoD) only to the extent that this part does
not conflict with any of the duties and responsibilities assigned to
the IG, DoD pursuant to section 8(g) of Appendix, title 5, U.S.C. (also
known as ``The Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended'').
(c) Governs all DoD Component planning for and participation in
Defense support of civilian law enforcement activities, including
domestic emergencies and civil disturbance operations (CDO) (formerly
referred to as ``military assistance for civil disturbances'').


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same is coming to the UK, prompted by the Woolwich event.

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and a nice little kicker:

Emergency authority. A Federal military commander's authority, in
extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the
President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are
unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities
that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances
because:
(1) Such activities are necessary to prevent significant loss of
life or wanton destruction of property and are necessary to restore
governmental function and public order; or
(2) Duly constituted Federal, State, or local authorities are
unable or decline to provide adequate protection for Federal property
or Federal governmental functions.
Explosives or munitions emergency. A situation involving the
suspected or detected presence of unexploded ordnance (UXO), damaged or
deteriorated explosives or munitions, an improvised explosive device
(IED), other potentially explosive material or device, or other
potentially harmful military chemical munitions or device, that creates
an actual or potential imminent threat to human health, including
safety, or the environment, including property, as determined by an
explosives or munitions emergency response specialist. Such situations
may require immediate and expeditious action by an explosives or
munitions emergency response specialist to control, mitigate, or
eliminate the threat.
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Whoa, looks like DHS insider may have really known what he was talking about.
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Whoa, looks like DHS insider may have really known what he was talking about.
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yes, these new rules might apply when obammy goes playing golf when the next 'US crisis' occurs?
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Aw we've had "executive orders" about that nonsense a while ago. The president can declare an emergency any time he or she wants and take over all our resources. Good times! :D

Bring it already, thugs! I'm sick of mud-trampling through all this sickness. I want Persephone's horn and Poseidon's trident!

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Aw we've had "executive orders" about that nonsense a while ago. The president can declare an emergency any time he or she wants and take over all our resources. Good times! :D

Bring it already, thugs! I'm sick of mud-trampling through all this sickness. I want Persephone's horn and Poseidon's trident!

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ahhh, yes my friend.... but this specifies that the troops can act alongside the civil defense WITHOUT executive order, at an 'on soil' US civil disturbance using whatever means necessary....

'tis all in the fine print.......
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Aw we've had "executive orders" about that nonsense a while ago. The president can declare an emergency any time he or she wants and take over all our resources. Good times! :D

Bring it already, thugs! I'm sick of mud-trampling through all this sickness. I want Persephone's horn and Poseidon's trident!

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ahhh, yes my friend.... but this specifies that the troops can act alongside the civil defense WITHOUT executive order, at an 'on soil' US civil disturbance using whatever means necessary....

'tis all in the fine print.......
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The large print giveth and the small print taketh away. :D
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Dude, you are worrying over the wrong thing.

Instead of worrying about this "reaction" you should be concerned about the event that they will cause to make it necessary.
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Dude, you are worrying over the wrong thing.

Instead of worrying about this "reaction" you should be concerned about the event that they will cause to make it necessary.
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win
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Aw we've had "executive orders" about that nonsense a while ago. The president can declare an emergency any time he or she wants and take over all our resources. Good times! :D

Bring it already, thugs! I'm sick of mud-trampling through all this sickness. I want Persephone's horn and Poseidon's trident!

horn2
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ahhh, yes my friend.... but this specifies that the troops can act alongside the civil defense WITHOUT executive order, at an 'on soil' US civil disturbance using whatever means necessary....

'tis all in the fine print.......
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kinda sounds like they expect someone to depart without the usual bye bye
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Aw we've had "executive orders" about that nonsense a while ago. The president can declare an emergency any time he or she wants and take over all our resources. Good times! :D

Bring it already, thugs! I'm sick of mud-trampling through all this sickness. I want Persephone's horn and Poseidon's trident!

horn2
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ahhh, yes my friend.... but this specifies that the troops can act alongside the civil defense WITHOUT executive order, at an 'on soil' US civil disturbance using whatever means necessary....

'tis all in the fine print.......
 Quoting: Citizenperth


kinda sounds like they expect someone to depart without the usual bye bye
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Dude, you are worrying over the wrong thing.

Instead of worrying about this "reaction" you should be concerned about the event that they will cause to make it necessary.
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or what about an event that presents itself naturally, that we have not yet been told about ?
like Katrina, where police left their post to take care of their families. Something like that, but continent wide, seems to me to be the reason why so many new border sharing laws with Canada have been passed ( Drones, etc ).
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any guesses on how long it will take them to piggy back that into Domestic violence? invade your house because some shill 500 yards away 'thought' they heard something..., then kill your dog and mind-rape your neighbors children... forget your cell phone as video... They're 'guns' now... remember.
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They can't quell some ragtag groups in the Afghan mountains. How are they going to suppress an unruly domestic population?
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prepare to bow down to Your DHS Overlords and take it good....

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prepare to bow down to Your DHS Overlords and take it good....

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I think we quit that hundreds of years ago?

But hey, good luck to bending over for ya...
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prepare to bow down to Your DHS Overlords and take it good....

scaredukpopcorn
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I think we quit that hundreds of years ago?

But hey, good luck to bending over for ya...
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please do not insult your forefathers by comparing them, a brave and fearless people, with the pansy asses that are around today.
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They can't quell some ragtag groups in the Afghan mountains. How are they going to suppress an unruly domestic population?
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Ahh the famous Occupy Poppy field campaign. Yeah they bomb the shit out of you if you started to resist, even blow your mountains off the map if that's what it takes. They ruthless, look at the society they created for you to live in. Six million ways to die, choice one.
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Interesting language.



Duly constituted Federal, State, or local authorities are
unable or decline to provide adequate protection for Federal property
or Federal governmental functions.
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please do not insult your forefathers by comparing them, a brave and fearless people, with the pansy asses that are around today.
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^ There's a lot of validity to that insult ^
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of course there is validity to that statement because it happens to be correct. you can pussify the man. it remains to be seen, however, if depussification is also possible.





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