Jesus is Cain

It was Abel who got killed. Like Jesus was too.

Unless you read the entire thread this quick, your laughing at what I am presenting just shows you to be a mindless herd animal, unable to let anything in to his scared little mind that threatens his precious ego.

Cain"s sacrifice was not accepted because Cains bloodline is the sacrifice.

Cain acted out of hatred of his creator and the creators obedient servents who are by their very nature sworn enemies.

Last Edited by Frank Frankson on 06/06/2013 01:44 PM

And again:

Unless you read the entire thread this quick, your laughing at what I am presenting just shows you to be a mindless herd animal, unable to let anything in to his scared little mind that threatens his precious ego.

You "gnostics" play with fire, the eternal one. Worth it?

Listen tard, I have read the word of God many times and it is obvious Yeshua is not Cain. That is just silly nonsense.

Unless you have read the entire Bible, YOU are mindless for taking the word of someone else.

I know better than what your headline says because I read the book stupid.

Is that a threat fucker?

Read the link I provided. Think about what it shows.

You mindless fucks who judge and threaten, without understanding even the beginning of the truth that your holy book contains are the scourge of this planet.

[link to biblez.com]

Luke 11:51
... from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

What the fuck makes you think I haven't read the bible?

Again, arrogant, stupid, judgmental small minded fuckers like you are the worst kind of people.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

What was there to delete in my posting?

I will delete any post from mindless herd mentality christian thugs that do not show some indication that the thread under discussion has been at least read thoroughly.

You have now been notified, deal with it.

Moron, bye.

Read the link, have something to say about it, or do not post. Those are the rules for mindless herd animals like you.

Last Edited by Frank Frankson on 06/06/2013 01:59 PM

Jesus is not Cain.

Stop your nonsense before you come under judgement.

I welcome judgment. I am not afraid of your angry tortue god.

But you are.

top post is crazy talk but.......
While I havent read the full thread, the notion that Jesus was Cain is not as sacrilegious as it sounds. And you saying Cains bloodline is the sacrifice is consistent. Who else could be the son of man, and the son of God. Cain was banished by His parents, God is the father of all but He may have taken him as His own estranged son. Like a step son, ironically Jesus was Joseph's stepson. He who kills cain will suffer 77X deaths. Meaning God did see fruit in Cain, to defend Him. Cain was a rebellious kid with parents who didnt know their new home, and Cain hadn't a clue. He is seen as this monster when really by His ignorance or rather his lack of human sensibility made Him Kill. But He wouldnt have even known what happened or that killing His brother would die. And with God literally a beam of light present, and a generation removed from the eternal realm, He probably didnt see it as some huge sin. GOd spoke directly to Cain, and Cain asked "Am I my brother's keeper?" Who is our brother's keeper, Jesus! Also Jesus doesnt say He was from the beginning of time, He said I am older than Abraham, giving a sign that He wasn't from the eternal like the Almighty. He was the first to sin. To ignore God was not technically a sin, and if you want to call it a sin- Cain was still the first born of women to sin. Who is more qualified or by their nature is able to atone for all sins, the one who initially caused it. Why did Jesus get Baptized if He hadn't ever sinned. Baptism is to purify us of our sins, so Jesus IMHO had to have sinned. It was a sign. Being estranged He was taken in by God as His own son, and taught everything and shown that for creating the sins of the world, He would show His great mercy and give Him Redemption and eternal life so long as He suffered HIs sin and made right where he wronged mankind. Being taught the knowledge of Good and Evil and "begotten" of God as a son, He would become the saviour of mankind. God created cain as He creates all to fulfill His Will. God placed a curse on the land, by Adam and Eve eating the fruit-Cain was called to till the land - hence lift the curse. He was the first born-and the Bible is very specific about the birthrights- He is also believed to have been born around the feast of first fruits and he too was the first born of three- adam and Eve had three boys. The first shall be the last and the last the first. This pretty plainly says that Christ is either Cain being the first man born of this world - or Adam the first of God's children to walk the earth. Adam and Eve had been in the Kingdom though, so they do not share what we all share as brothers and sisters. Cain was the first true human of God's line and Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. He is also pierced as was Able, Jesus' brothers were doubters, and their faith was challenged as was Cain's when God did not accept His offering. Of this World Cain and His name is cemented in stone as murderous, and he is slandered for this one act, which as I said He was not really aware of Good and Evil. He is the sacrificial lambWhy would God create this evil child, right after creating man - HOw could He teach Adam and Eve a lesson for their disobedience? and go on to share the full extent of evil to the world. Jesus said He came not to change one iota of the Law, but added only to love your brother. Who is more qualified to announce this, but the one who saw the devastation of not loving your brother but killing Him. He also Killed Him out of Jealousy, God spoke saying I am a jealous God.

read into this one

‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on account of you; in painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 3:18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, but you will eat the grain of the field. 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat food until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you will return.”

God knows all to come so to say the ground is cursed on account of you.
why?
Why would eating fruit from a tree curse ground or is he speaking of the role He plays in His sons death by Cain. The ground wasnt cursed until Cain killed His brother.

Cain gave him fruit of the ground and the Lord was displeased. Why?
On account of His father, His words are drawn into question - so Adam cursed the land on account of his son- God is saying - you too are responsible for the acts of your offspring.
Cain was also taken out of the ground and banished after being a cultivator of the soil.
Fruit from the ground is a lot more impressive than finding your best sheep of the flock.
Cain made the first fruit ever biblically speaking.
And those akin of blood are often cited as one being in Gods eyes.
So to say it will produce thorns and thistles for you.
Is He speaking to adam or of His son.
but you will eat the grain of the field - Jesus is referred to as the bread of life.

It will produce thorns and thistles for you, but you will eat the grain of the field.
The crown of thorns is a plain sign, but a little more obscure is after the ressurection Jesus broke bread with the disciples.

It will produce blood for you, but you will eat the bread of life and by this will you establish the new covenant.

By the sweat of your brow you will eat food until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you will return.”

Could this also reference a return to Egypt or His fast in the desert which is a sea of dust and sand.

This may reference Jesus' fast, when he returned to the ground- for out of it you were taken - out of the flesh and earthly matters and into the Spirit - for you are dust - meaning what makes you is the Spirit of God not the flesh of physical particles-He was made of dust in eden by the breath of life-and to dust you will return-could dust be invariably used as a verb-to dust His Father' Sanctuary-to remove the dust from the Jewish people who were blinded to the truth in the Mosaic law. Whatever the case this certainly parellels the Messianic story.

If Adam had told His son that God had cursed the ground he never would have gave that as an offering. A message to parenting- if you dont instruct your children towards God's Word they will be sent astray.

While these words were spoken to Adam, they seem more intended for Cain- and it displays how sin begets sin. Begotten ussually refers to reproduction but it can mean to bring rise to also- but I believe for a number of reasons that it is not Adam but Cain - but again if Jesus had been eternal He would have said as much- he said he came before the days of Abraham...If He wasn;t a reincarnation of an earlier patriarch or in this case - slandered person wouldnt He have said He came before the days of Adam. He could potentially be Enoch but that seems unlikely by these words. and other clues and hints

Hebrew transliteration of Cain means acquire, obtain -ironically Abel means breath, vapor or vanity- Did God Acquire or obtain Cain after His exile....He spoke directly with Him....after something like 800-900 years of living as a "homeless wanderer" - like Jesus became a homeless wanderer- and being spoken to directly by God, I think a family man would have become penitent and repented for His sin. As little is mentioned of Cain in His later years, it is likened to the absence of stories in Jesus younger yrs.

Hebrew tranlation of the offerng:

It happened at the end of days that cain brought an offering of fruit from the Ground. This grape can be called the forbidden fruit, as the land was cursed and God rejected it. Again a direct correspondence to how a father' misdeeds can curse his sons and daughters, and how a small sin can bringforth a much larger sin- so we shouldnt measure out our sin as the collateral damage is great. In truth, Cain was possibly the most innocent of the three adam and eve and him. He would have inherited eternal life in the Garden of paradise, had his parents not screwed him over- then they dont even speak of the Words that God spoke to them and allow Him to bring an offering of fruit from a cursed ground - but still despite the bad cards He was dealt He had to suffer His misdeed and for that His entire family and all of His seed was destroyed and he was murdered by Lamech the blind, thought to be an accident - before the flood. So in Heaven he could look down upon the destruction of all His people and see firsthand the wrath of God in response to sin.
He was the first born of this world. The Alpha. The first Son of Man.
We are all sons and daughters of God, but Adam wouldnt be considered the begotten son, to be a son you must be born or adopted. Could Jesus have been the adopted son of God? I dont want to provoke or sound heretical, just theorizing here. Or He could have been reborn in God, having suffered greatly and being poorly equipped to handle earth-I can see a boy with his grape excited to share it with His Maker, who he believes will be proud and God just rejects Him not to be spiteful but because God's Word is His Bond. He probably wanted to accept it but by His plan, He would have to suffer this torment on behalf of His father.

God spoke with him afterwards and said: (Very prophetic)

With Cain and his offering he was not pleased. So Cain became very angry, and his expression was downcast.
4:6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why is your expression downcast? 4:7 Is it not true that if you do what is right, you will be fine? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. It desires to dominate you, but you must subdue it.

God consoles with him and says look you will be fine, but yet He still kills his brother. It shows how he knew nothing of God's Will but God had not made any law, so while He was forewarned of the dangers of sin - The Lord had made no covenant or had any law by which He could justify sending Him to Gehenna. So He would by my estimation been brought back and instructed-and shall he sin again after learning the consequence than He would be written out of the Book of Life, as God is merciful, Just and fair in His dealings.

There is a line in the Bible too that says anyone who bears fruit shall see the Kingdom of God. This could be to sure up that He was saved through His mercy.

And as Adam and Eve disowned him, God claimed Him as His own, and made Him for display the grace of God, and the glory in God's most divine mercy.

This is also another reminder of how our performance in life is not by which God judges, but rather the faith we put in Him. Cain was not innocent he killed his own brother, but He gave an offering to God, He acknowledged God and He craved Him so much to commit such a horrific act. But in that He glorified God, and He humbled himself in shame and laid low, and He pleaded with God for Him to be less harsh in His punishment-He was a man of faith. He also abruptly left on Gods command, and scared and afraid God showed Him mercy by giving Him a special mark to keep people from killing Him...He seemed to have reformed as He built a city, had only one wife, and never caused other trouble so far as the scripture goes. The offering of Abel was the first born of the flock, His name was vanity, and He offered up this sheep as the first offering mentioned in the Bible - slaughtering an animal - Having not been instructed according to Moses account this seems like a vain act in itself. Nevertheless, to equivocate the offering and then the sacrificial body of Abel, It seems almost common sense that God would dole out justice for the life of Abel and the life of Cain, by having Him return and pay for His sins as the Lord was yet to make a covenant among men. That would be like charging one with a crime before it was brought into law. Most certainly this was an intentional act of God, to save Him for the Redemption of man. The only one qualified to bring atonement for the sins of man, would be Cain. He was a man born of a woman, so He was of earth and was a murderer. While Adam sinned inside Heavens gate, their is really no mention of sin in His earthly life, so to be scourged and mocked, spat on and harassed by men before being nailed to a cross seems a little harsh for not listening. But it is clear that Cain had zeal for God, and was surely guilt stricken and shamed - He would have taken joy in restoring His name with God and being the Savior. PLus if it were Adam, what about Eve. The piercing of Jesus corresponds to Adam's rib being taken out, but Cain was also killed and it doesn't say exactly how but by a blind man-To show His grace and willlingness to forgive, he restored sight to a blind man. He was born on the feast of first fruits or whatever. He was the cultivator of the land and as it was said The earth opened its mouth and received the blood of abel, and God could hear the cries of abel in the blood. To restore the balance and erase the indemnity between brothers, Abel was avenged by the mission of Christ, to spread the message of love for your brother, but to sacrifice His blood in a show of loyalty and to repair His great sin. PLus God has something for first borns and I guess the rest of us are second rate. lol. Forgive me Lord a lil humor, oh you already knew that...yes I know i wrote lol.

Well I have thoroughly convinced myself that Our savior was the first to be villainized in Human History, but with Christ it seems as though their is a big piece of the puzzle missing.....God would not scourge a man as He did Christ, for proclaiming Him His Father and being totally innocent and having special powers unless He had committed a sin. As it is written, the only thing that seperates us from God is our sin. Christ conquered Sin and the whole of heavens rejoiced at His redemption, He conquered death and was raised-probably something He thought was going to happen to His brother. Should it be true or say it were true, what would you think of Christ? He aspired for God's favor so much He was willing to kill His brother for it, God is a living God, a jealous God in His own right, shall Cain have aged and lived a right from their forward, God would not deny him. Last Jesus said I shall not partake in the fruit of the vine until all work is done. Why? Is this a way to Glorify the Father, by remembering His betrayal and being remittent while the Struggle for the souls of man to stave off darkness and be in the light. Is it that Christ inheritance is the fruitful souls, and He is storing up the wild grapes that is man, for the winepress, where all the elect are united in the cup of everlasting life, to be consumed by the Godhead and be as One in Spirit, a sweet aroma of wine are the mash of all servants of His Will and we shall all reside within God, so the first fruit denied by God, becomes divine and wise in all things and in the end the splendor of His vineyard is the sweetest oblation for both the Father and the Son to share in Holy Matrimony. A God is one who is learned in the deepest magnitudes of good and evil, Jesus as with Cain both saw pure evil, felt pure evil in their heart, were tempted by the devil were murdered, they have the deepest understanding of evil anyone could own, and in conquering sin and earning all the blessings and the full inheritance of the Father, Jesus is more acquainted with good then all else. But is it not true that one must commit murder to know the darkest recesses of evil, and maybe that was why this part of the plan was necessary.To allow one entirely absent of the knowledgeof good and evil to fall deep into the abyss before being restored to the heights of Glory, is that not the story of Christ, His compassion for the poor and the sinners of the world, His arms outstretched in reach of the tree of life, to aid those with conviction having shared in His own trreachery in a past life, now reborn and purified through the Father for the sake of salvation.


Of the grape, We know Jesus was a winemaker and after producing a grape when God said that you will eat of the grain of the field - it is a miracle in itself that someone as unlearned as Cain having newbie parents could produce a grape...it isnt easy.
It could be said that the blood of Christ equated to the fruit of the vine in the new covenant was the offering and in the end of days-this may refer to the resurrection.
The word resurrected also refers to a redemption of kind...and for Christ redemption would not be of men's doing but of God's doing.
Jesus' last miracle was
But Abel brought some of His finest of the flock and some fatty livestock.

Gods discourse with Cain is prophetic





After Cain's murder, the Bible speaks nothing ill of him and God also places a special sign on Him saying if anyone Kills Cain he will be avenged- so He protects him. He went on to have one wife while others had several, He had sons and grandsons who at first did good things but then later became deviants and whores. Knowing the message of Christ now, we can certainly ascertain that he would not go to hell. He had made no covenant other than to stop seeking out knowledge of good and evil and therefore he is blameless-It is also obvious that the flood was necessary to cleanse man of His interbreeding.

OTHER WORDS TO CAIN

Words to Noah - SEEMS PROPHETIC
“Whoever sheds human blood, by other humans must his blood be shed;
for in God’s image
God has made humankind.”

Jesus: -I am the sun of God and your father, who am I?
Me: -You are cain, zalmoxe and jesus.

Gnostic lies. NEXT!