Obama says we have to trade privacy for security. Isn't this what Ben Franklin warned us about?

welcome to the upshod of the patriot act...

Patriot Act? This whole thing is about as unpatriotic as it gets. It's sickening, and the sycophants just drool and nod.

I would say that everyone in this country should see these two quotes side by side. One by a true patriot, and one by a purported con law prof. who should know better. However, if people have not realized what is going on by now I fear no manner of comparison, no matter how stark, will shake them from their slumber. Here is your true doom, served ice cold just like you like it.

Safety from what ? I thought Obama said the war on terror was over. If the IRS scandal shows us anything it's that the government can pick out and scrutinize or worse anyone they want. Just change the parameters of the search of all the data the computers are scanning. Instead of tea party or patriot etal , as in the IRS scandal, suppose they expand or modify the key word search to include the words militia or gun club etc. Can you see where this is going ? The government could use all of the information to quell any opposition to it's perverted agendas. They should be searching using key words such as Jihad or mosque !

The war on terror, I fear, will never be over. However, the war on the American people is just heating up good. Obama talks about safety and security, but this is just pandering. If there is anyone's safety and security he and his ilk are worried about it is their own. It certainly does not take a rocket scientist to see that this is just a scant justification for putting us all under the government microscope to root-out the bad seeds and ensure total compliance.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin

Indeed. I will take liberty, thanks.

Any sane person would. That's the problem...

yeah its exactly what ben franklin warned us about. but what are people so surprised about? this shit has been going on from the bush era, hell probably before then. and its not secret AT&T built 2 networks, one for the goverment, all calls run thru it before it runs thru the "public" network. its not brain surgery. give corporations big lucrative contracts and watch how much they give a shit about YOU.

So true. Sheeple like their illusions. They don't want to know the truth.

Certainly it has been going on for quite a while now (see Patriot Act, NDAA, etc.). But, while not at all surprising, I do think that it is ironic that Obama decided to use words that explained the situation almost exactly in reverse from what one of our founders said. It just exemplifies the stark contrast between where we began and where they want to take us.

Sure it's been going on for along time. But obummer has stepped it up to a whole new level. A malevolent level. And he doesn't care who knows it because there's nothing we can do to stop it.

I would not say that there is nothing we can do. However, it really comes down to what are we willing to do and how many are willing to do it. I am not promoting or condoning any particular action... just sayin'.

point is it doesnt matter if its obama or somebody else, time marches on and so do agendas, these things take time. you dont part out a country, or decleration of independence, or constitution overnight. its all funded by money, and our money is issued by "private investors" federal reserve isint federal but a privately owned bank. we all know this. congress is the one that has to issue the money, not begg on its knees for it.
to the other guy saying there is nothing you can do, well how this stuff seems to work is steering people, kinda like leading sheep huh? everything happens for a reason, but im sure as you can see nothing always goes as planned. sometimes it appears things make the news to take eyes away from other things, i dont think this is one of those times but what do i know, this is after all a conspiracy site and not everything is always set in stone, just thoughts, ideas, and in this case obvious facts. but i do not personally think it matters if its a democrat, or republican in office, obama or someone else. i for one wanted ron paul but of course there was a reason the media blacked him out, even the republicans didnt want him. cash is king. point is the only way anything really ever changes is if you get people in office who can about more then themselves. "wadding there own pockets" but people who care about the intergrity of there own nation, brothers sisters and future. no i dont know what paragraphs are.

/rant.

I definitely agree that it matters that we put people of integrity and honor in leadership positions. But, we cannot substitute their integrity and honor for our own. This nation was intended to be of the people, by the people, and for the people. If we, the people, have no honor and do not remain vigilant, then we get exactly what we deserve.

is this what you want?:

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Wow, what was that? The three horsesomethings of the apocalypse?

Give me liberty!

nothing is perfect and neither is the way our current system is. but i for one am proud to be an american and its alot better then being a communist in china im sure.

that being said lets take a look at how we have been steadily losing our way, used to be you could make a good living and raise a good family, now you have to choose between the two, clinton signs in nafta was it? gutted all the trade unionist and the wages and jobs along with it, as they moved over seas to china, tiwan, and other places just to name a few, get people used to working for shit wages, then its hey 13 dollars an hour thats a damn good paying job!! but look what it cost just to fuel up at the pump to goto work.

then we do awesome shit like bailout detroit, GM hello. why becase they cant make a competetive affordable vehicle, why would anyone buy a chevy car when a toyota or nissan can easily get 300k miles with oil changes is beyond me? so ok GM mismanages its own cash, gets bailed out with ours, our debt goes higher so we borrow more from our privately owned bank, gm moves plants to china so we lose more jobs.

dads at work making peanuts and his kids never get to see him because when hes home hes exausted and asleep, so kids get to listen to our awesome music talking about doing drugs and killing people, watch our awesome hollywood movies where we promote violence while hollywood goes on the front lines of "gun control" and tells us we need to give them up.

we are steadily moving towords socialism and some people are accepting it, would rather stay home be unproductive and collect goverment checks that the working class footed the bill for, however right now there just isint enough jobs for everybody and im sure unemployement is higher then we are told, but its cool everybody lets get our "free money" and not work, lets get our obama care, and let our doctors ask if we own firearms, then lets let the same people who issue obama care also get to tell us if we are of sound enough mind to even own a gun. this could only turn out good for us, trust me im a doctor.

lets also not forget to mention that alot of companies either wont be able to afford health care for everybody, or to greedy to let it effect there own bottom line, so they will just hire more employees to keep everybody as part time status there for nobody gets a 40 and nobody gets health care. i dont claim to know everything on these subjects, but this is just how i see it right now and im just another keyboard scrub. i could go on and on but we all have our own minds and internet connections, just dont believe everything you read or hear.

If we can't have 100% security, why the fuck are they trying?

well i would never advocate giving up our own freedoms and liberties for anything, man has been killing man from the dawn of time, with sticks and stones, that is something that will never change. two big pieces of this puzzle are gun control and socialism. think about it, if you got a shit ton of people, americans on the street, think 2008, with no jobs, or homes, or cars or even money to put gas in said cars, then they have nothing to do. and when they are starving or there children are im sure things would get pretty bad. so you cannot just have a bunch of armed populance in this situation, this is where socialism comes in, take this check, no biggie. dont pay attention. look how many freedoms we have lost with the anti patriot act and ndaa. im not trying to sound like a so called "gun nut" here but the truth is they protect every other freedom we have. and some people wont ever stop trying to take them away. just keep deviding the people, with race religion creed etc, doesnt matter, when people are fighting agomst themselves they arent paying attention and saying no to whats really going on.

It's not really about your 100% security. It's about your less than 100% privacy. It is all about control. If our current admin was really worried about the security of the American people, then Benghazi never would have happened like it did. Where was their security? I'm pretty sure they would have been happy with even 50% considering their particular situation.

there is no such thing as 100% security, just like theres no such thing as 100% privacy. there are only 2 guarantees that i know of in this world, paying taxes and death.

Nobody has been paying attention. We have been resting on our laurels for far too long (highest standard of living, super super power, freedom broker, world police, etc.). And, all the while, the fox has been setting up residence in the hen house. The Second Amendment is the only thing that stands between us and utter tyranny. The founders knew that and that is why they wrote the Amendment in the first place. If I do sound like a gun-nut, then so be it. The truth of the matter is that the Second Amendment is the very teeth of liberty.

i happen to agree with everything you just said, we are told allday long the economy is recovering, but how could it be? we used to be a productive nation, the most productive in the world, meaning we made things, we exported things to other nations, steel, cars, etc. but we let our politians sell us out in crates to other nations, while they said stuff like yeah that was a good blow job i got in the white house. we are not a consuming nation, we consume products and import most of our goods. so i ponder this, if we dont have the jobs to produce, how can our economy ever recover??
we dont have the jobs to pay to consume. the debt rises, time to break out that 1 billion dollar coins perhaps in a few years.

I'd love to do this till dawn, but have to get some sleep. I just hope more people stop by to read the article that prompted this thread. People need to be constantly reminded where our liberties stand with our current administration. 'Mornin' all. CP out.

Women in total oppression

NO freedom

AND its probably 120 degrees outside where they live

I am ex-Military that held a TS/SCI clearance. The first thing I was taught in Military Communication Security classes was:

Trust No One!

I am also a Security Professional (IT) and I can tell you 100% that there is NOT one secure PC in this entire world unless it is 6 feet in a hole, filled with cement, no cables connected and a 24x7 guard!!!
That means, N O T H I N G is secure!!!!! there is alsways someone (something) that can break/crack it (hard stop).

Last Edited by DDan> on 06/08/2013 01:15 PM