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Does the church sell the theory of the trinity specifically to enable their clientelle to plead innocence by confusion?
Is this how Jesus described Jehovah?


"Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." Jo17:3
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Omnipresent means not subject to space. Neither space nor time are absolute. Ulike God.
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Omnipresent means not subject to space. Neither space nor time are absolute. Ulike God.
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God can be omniconscious if he wants to but he is not omnipresent because he dwells in heaven.
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Omnipresent means not subject to space. Neither space nor time are absolute. Ulike God.
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God can be omniconscious if he wants to but he is not omnipresent because he dwells in heaven.
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Not what the Bible says yet:

Isaiah 66:1, Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?

Matthew 23:22 And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
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Omnipresent means not subject to space. Neither space nor time are absolute. Ulike God.
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God can be omniconscious if he wants to but he is not omnipresent because he dwells in heaven.
 Quoting: DGN


Not what the Bible says yet:

Isaiah 66:1, Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?

Matthew 23:22 And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
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Brain teaser; Where was God before he created the heavens and the earth?
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Omnipresent means not subject to space. Neither space nor time are absolute. Ulike God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


God can be omniconscious if he wants to but he is not omnipresent because he dwells in heaven.
 Quoting: DGN


Not what the Bible says yet:

Isaiah 66:1, Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?

Matthew 23:22 And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
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Brain teaser; Where was God before he created the heavens and the earth?
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No time or space "before" the Beginning. Duh
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God can be omniconscious if he wants to but he is not omnipresent because he dwells in heaven.
 Quoting: DGN


Not what the Bible says yet:

Isaiah 66:1, Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?

Matthew 23:22 And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Brain teaser; Where was God before he created the heavens and the earth?
 Quoting: DGN


No time or space "before" the Beginning. Duh
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No space? Isn't that still what most of the universe is?
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Is this how Jesus described Jehovah?


"Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." Jo17:3
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Not what the Bible says yet:

Isaiah 66:1, Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?

Matthew 23:22 And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Brain teaser; Where was God before he created the heavens and the earth?
 Quoting: DGN


No time or space "before" the Beginning. Duh
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No space? Isn't that still what most of the universe is?
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Dude, the very word "beginning" implies either space or time. "Outside/Before" there is the Absolute. A level too high for you beginning to grasp probably?
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no sense arguing with a jehovah witness with scripture, they wrote their own perverted bible and call it a "better translation".
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Job 11:8 Can you probe the limits of the Almighty?8They are higher than the heavens—what can you do?They are deeper than the depths of the grave—what can you know?

2 Chronicles 6:18, 1 Kings 8:27 The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you.


Psalms 139:7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.


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Brain teaser; Where was God before he created the heavens and the earth?
 Quoting: DGN


No time or space "before" the Beginning. Duh
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No space? Isn't that still what most of the universe is?
 Quoting: DGN


Dude, the very word "beginning" implies either space or time. "Outside/Before" there is the Absolute. A level too high for you beginning to grasp probably?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Yes, way to high, like where did the first atom come from?
I think "in the beginning" applies to the earth, not the universe, because the solar system and sun were all ready in place.
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No time or space "before" the Beginning. Duh
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No space? Isn't that still what most of the universe is?
 Quoting: DGN


Dude, the very word "beginning" implies either space or time. "Outside/Before" there is the Absolute. A level too high for you beginning to grasp probably?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Yes, way to high, like where did the first atom come from?
I think "in the beginning" applies to the earth, not the universe, because the solar system and sun were all ready in place.
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Not what the Bible says yet.
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No space? Isn't that still what most of the universe is?
 Quoting: DGN


Dude, the very word "beginning" implies either space or time. "Outside/Before" there is the Absolute. A level too high for you beginning to grasp probably?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Yes, way to high, like where did the first atom come from?
I think "in the beginning" applies to the earth, not the universe, because the solar system and sun were all ready in place.
 Quoting: DGN


Not what the Bible says yet.
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here's why I say the sun was created before the earth;
"And God went on to say: “Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. 15 And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.” And it came to be so. 16 And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. 17 Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth, 18 and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness. Then God saw that [it was] good. 19 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a fourth day." Ge1:14
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Matthew 28:19


New International Version (©2011)
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

The trinity is very real

One God, 3 persons..

But ONE God.

It makes perfect sense

God the father, God the Son, God the holy spirit.

period.

no video is going to change my mind sorry
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Matthew 28:19


New International Version (©2011)
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

The trinity is very real

One God, 3 persons..

But ONE God.

It makes perfect sense

God the father, God the Son, God the holy spirit.

period.

no video is going to change my mind sorry
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Did Jesus say he was "God the son"?
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Matthew 28:19


New International Version (©2011)
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

The trinity is very real

One God, 3 persons..

But ONE God.

It makes perfect sense

God the father, God the Son, God the holy spirit.

period.

no video is going to change my mind sorry
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Did Jesus say he was "God the son"?
 Quoting: DGN


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no sense arguing with a jehovah witness with scripture, they wrote their own perverted bible and call it a "better translation".
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two for two, good thinking.
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Matthew 28:19


New International Version (©2011)
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

The trinity is very real

One God, 3 persons..

But ONE God.

It makes perfect sense

God the father, God the Son, God the holy spirit.

period.

no video is going to change my mind sorry
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Did Jesus say he was "God the son"?
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No he did not. The Romans decided to do that when they formed the Catholic religion and wrote the Nicene Creed.
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no sense arguing with a jehovah witness with scripture, they wrote their own perverted bible and call it a "better translation".
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So, prove the "trinity" with any translation then
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no sense arguing with a jehovah witness with scripture, they wrote their own perverted bible and call it a "better translation".
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So, prove the "trinity" with any translation then
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My friend, you're missing the entire point, and sadly so.

What people call "trinity" is a model and only a model. A model is a good model to the extent it represents some portion of reality well.

Nothing to "prove" at all, just examine its usefulness.
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no sense arguing with a jehovah witness with scripture, they wrote their own perverted bible and call it a "better translation".
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So, prove the "trinity" with any translation then
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


My friend, you're missing the entire point, and sadly so.

What people call "trinity" is a model and only a model. A model is a good model to the extent it represents some portion of reality well.

Nothing to "prove" at all, just examine its usefulness.
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And what "usefulness" does false teachings provide?
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Very simple
God. Jesus. And the holy spirit are one and the same ....
Read em and weep
YOU ARE ME
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no sense arguing with a jehovah witness with scripture, they wrote their own perverted bible and call it a "better translation".
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So, prove the "trinity" with any translation then
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


My friend, you're missing the entire point, and sadly so.

What people call "trinity" is a model and only a model. A model is a good model to the extent it represents some portion of reality well.

Nothing to "prove" at all, just examine its usefulness.
 Quoting: Life and Love


The thread title reveals it's only usefulness, presenting a disclaimer to God of innocence by ignorance, "Oh Lord your ways are so aloft I didn't know what to do, surely you can't reject me for what I didn't know"
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Very simple
God. Jesus. And the holy spirit are one and the same ....
Read em and weep
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Read WHAT and weep?
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no sense arguing with a jehovah witness with scripture, they wrote their own perverted bible and call it a "better translation".
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So, prove the "trinity" with any translation then
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


My friend, you're missing the entire point, and sadly so.

What people call "trinity" is a model and only a model. A model is a good model to the extent it represents some portion of reality well.

Nothing to "prove" at all, just examine its usefulness.
 Quoting: Life and Love


And what "usefulness" does false teachings provide?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Well, you're getting ahead of yourself. They are not "false" until I prove them false. And since my premise is that such doctrines are explanatory and not definitive, there is no definitive prove.

But if you what to try, go right ahead. If I were you I'd start with something simpler, like proving light is particles .. or light is waves.. or (gasp!) light is both! (or neither)

Go for it!
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Very simple
God. Jesus. And the holy spirit are one and the same ....
Read em and weep
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Read WHAT and weep?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


3 are one
YOU ARE ME
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One is me
YOU ARE ME
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poor JWs don't even realize they are in a cult.

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