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At what point did the Cherubs cease to guard the entrance to the Garden of Eden? At the death of Adam?

 
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At what point did the Cherubs cease to guard the entrance to the Garden of Eden? At the death of Adam?
" 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life."- Genesis 3:24

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So far as I know, they are still gaurding it to this day. There is only one person on earth that knows for certain where it is.
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So far as I know, they are still gaurding it to this day. There is only one person on earth that knows for certain where it is.
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Who would that be?spockblink
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I would guess the flood wiped it out, or I've read also that it may have been moved into another dimension, it is where Enoch and Elijah have been all this time waiting to finish their mission.
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Cherubs creep me out. at least the way they are depicted in rococo artwork. creepy little bastards.
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I would guess the flood wiped it out, or I've read also that it may have been moved into another dimension, it is where Enoch and Elijah have been all this time waiting to finish their mission.
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The flood would make sense, since no humans, once imperfect, were allowed to enter there
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Cherubs creep me out. at least the way they are depicted in rococo artwork. creepy little bastards.
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they may be stranger than the chubby babies you are refering to even.

The Bible describes the Cherubim ( a Hebrew word, in plural) as being "full of eyes"

and the Seraphim

as being six-winged angels.





I like the vision at about 5:40, and at 0:48.

Beautiful birds.

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What kind of sicko would 1-star this thread? I would give you 5 but I overspent my stars today - exceeded the limit, I mean.

This is something to think about, to dream on.
Now is the time.
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So far as I know, they are still gaurding it to this day. There is only one person on earth that knows for certain where it is.
 Quoting: Ford44


Who would that be?spockblink
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The walker. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. He recieved God's mark, so that none may harm him. This would have to include the angel of death, therefore Cain still walks the Earth.
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Re: At what point did the Cherubs cease to guard the entrance to the Garden of Eden? At the death of Adam?
What kind of sicko would 1-star this thread? I would give you 5 but I overspent my stars today - exceeded the limit, I mean.

This is something to think about, to dream on.
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The thought came from the fact that Abel, who had no good examples to look for, his parents lost favor and his brother hated him, yet he had great faith in God, and must have watched the Cherubs and the flaming swords, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, never leaving their post or assignment from God, so the Cherubs became his example of steadfast servants of God.......
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Re: At what point did the Cherubs cease to guard the entrance to the Garden of Eden? At the death of Adam?
Cherubs creep me out. at least the way they are depicted in rococo artwork. creepy little bastards.
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they may be stranger than the chubby babies you are refering to even.

The Bible describes the Cherubim ( a Hebrew word, in plural) as being "full of eyes"

and the Seraphim

as being six-winged angels.

Cherubs are very high ranking angels in the Bible



I like the vision at about 5:40, and at 0:48.

Beautiful birds.
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So far as I know, they are still gaurding it to this day. There is only one person on earth that knows for certain where it is.
 Quoting: Ford44


Who would that be?spockblink
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The walker. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. He recieved God's mark, so that none may harm him. This would have to include the angel of death, therefore Cain still walks the Earth.
 Quoting: Ford44


Ummmmm.....I don't think so:

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL men because they had ALL sinned"- ROMANS 5:12
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I can't believe that this is a real conversation.
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So far as I know, they are still gaurding it to this day. There is only one person on earth that knows for certain where it is.
 Quoting: Ford44


Who would that be?spockblink
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The walker. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. He recieved God's mark, so that none may harm him. This would have to include the angel of death, therefore Cain still walks the Earth.
 Quoting: Ford44


Ummmmm.....I don't think so:

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL men because they had ALL sinned"- ROMANS 5:12
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Matthew 16:28 “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
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Who would that be?spockblink
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The walker. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. He recieved God's mark, so that none may harm him. This would have to include the angel of death, therefore Cain still walks the Earth.
 Quoting: Ford44


Ummmmm.....I don't think so:

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL men because they had ALL sinned"- ROMANS 5:12
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Matthew 16:28 “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
 Quoting: Ford44


They would not see death BEFORE they saw they saw the Son of Man coming, if you read on in chapter 17, Peter, James and John were given a vision, or a preview of Jesus in his Kingdom glory.

There is NO human that has ever lived forever on this earth
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" 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life."- Genesis 3:24
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Do you think anyone ever tried to get back into the garden?
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So far as I know, they are still gaurding it to this day. There is only one person on earth that knows for certain where it is.
 Quoting: Ford44


Who would that be?spockblink
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The walker. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. He recieved God's mark, so that none may harm him. This would have to include the angel of death, therefore Cain still walks the Earth.
 Quoting: Ford44


Ummmmm.....I don't think so:

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL men because they had ALL sinned"- ROMANS 5:12
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


(and, why would God bless Cain with long life for murdering his brother? He would be some 6,000 years old right now....and the only human exempt from the need of Christ's ransom?)
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Who would that be?spockblink
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The walker. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. He recieved God's mark, so that none may harm him. This would have to include the angel of death, therefore Cain still walks the Earth.
 Quoting: Ford44


Ummmmm.....I don't think so:

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL men because they had ALL sinned"- ROMANS 5:12
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


(and, why would God bless Cain with long life for murdering his brother? He would be some 6,000 years old right now....and the only human exempt from the need of Christ's ransom?)
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


We have a difference of opinion, and that is okay.

I don't think it was a blessing. Abel is now with God, and Cain is forever shut out.

God said to Cain, "Now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened her mouth to retrieve and swallow your brother's blood. When you farm the ground, it shall not yield good crops to you, no matter how hard you work! You shall be a fugitive and a restless person on the earth! (Genesis 4:11-4:12)

Notice how God said the Earth opened up to swallow Abel's blood? With the next sentence, He says Cain will be a fugitive on the Earth.

Whether or not Cain can recieve forgiveness and redemption is for only god to say.
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What kind of sicko would 1-star this thread? I would give you 5 but I overspent my stars today - exceeded the limit, I mean.

This is something to think about, to dream on.
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The thought came from the fact that Abel, who had no good examples to look for, his parents lost favor and his brother hated him, yet he had great faith in God, and must have watched the Cherubs and the flaming swords, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, never leaving their post or assignment from God, so the Cherubs became his example of steadfast servants of God.......
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I love these topics, I really do...I like it when people discuss these things and most of the time I don't get involved but I like your name OP.

You have to first go back to understand why the Adam was removed from the garden... It was to deny him further access to the tree of life in the midst as the Adam now had acquired the knowledge of good and evil and now his eyes were open and he was able to see as god.

I imagine that at some point this garden would have to be abandoned and the first thing removed would be the tree of life...Once that was gone there would be no need to keep up the security...

So the garden was no longer guarded once the pertinent life extending tree was gone...

There is so much to these topics that you will have to spend something like 10 years looking into everything to establish some semblance of an understanding about what these parables actually refer to and when you begin to get some kind of closure, it's going to feel like you took the red pill so you may want to consider what exactly you're looking for...


Thanks for allowing me into your thread.

T
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The walker. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. He recieved God's mark, so that none may harm him. This would have to include the angel of death, therefore Cain still walks the Earth.
 Quoting: Ford44


Ummmmm.....I don't think so:

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL men because they had ALL sinned"- ROMANS 5:12
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


(and, why would God bless Cain with long life for murdering his brother? He would be some 6,000 years old right now....and the only human exempt from the need of Christ's ransom?)
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


We have a difference of opinion, and that is okay.

I don't think it was a blessing. Abel is now with God, and Cain is forever shut out.

God said to Cain, "Now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened her mouth to retrieve and swallow your brother's blood. When you farm the ground, it shall not yield good crops to you, no matter how hard you work! You shall be a fugitive and a restless person on the earth! (Genesis 4:11-4:12)

Notice how God said the Earth opened up to swallow Abel's blood? With the next sentence, He says Cain will be a fugitive on the Earth.

Whether or not Cain can recieve forgiveness and redemption is for only god to say.
 Quoting: Ford44


True, God IS the judge but interesting that Jesus later associated Abel with the "founding of the world", evidently meaning the world of people who might be redeemed from sin, it appears that god saw Abel as the first human redeemable:


" 49 On this account the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send forth to them prophets and apostles, and they will kill and persecute some of them, 50 so that the blood of all the prophets spilled from the founding of the world may be required from this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel down to the blood of Zech·a·ri′ah, who was slain between the altar and the house."- Luke 11:50,51
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What kind of sicko would 1-star this thread? I would give you 5 but I overspent my stars today - exceeded the limit, I mean.

This is something to think about, to dream on.
 Quoting: beeches


The thought came from the fact that Abel, who had no good examples to look for, his parents lost favor and his brother hated him, yet he had great faith in God, and must have watched the Cherubs and the flaming swords, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, never leaving their post or assignment from God, so the Cherubs became his example of steadfast servants of God.......
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I love these topics, I really do...I like it when people discuss these things and most of the time I don't get involved but I like your name OP.

You have to first go back to understand why the Adam was removed from the garden... It was to deny him further access to the tree of life in the midst as the Adam now had acquired the knowledge of good and evil and now his eyes were open and he was able to see as god.

I imagine that at some point this garden would have to be abandoned and the first thing removed would be the tree of life...Once that was gone there would be no need to keep up the security...

So the garden was no longer guarded once the pertinent life extending tree was gone...

There is so much to these topics that you will have to spend something like 10 years looking into everything to establish some semblance of an understanding about what these parables actually refer to and when you begin to get some kind of closure, it's going to feel like you took the red pill so you may want to consider what exactly you're looking for...


Thanks for allowing me into your thread.

T
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Yeah, I don't know the answer, but the Flood would make sense as the time when the tree of life would be removed


Or, maybe it was sooner
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" 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life."- Genesis 3:24
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Nope - year 600 FC (3582 BC) after the first passage of Planet X caused the Pole to shift off its Axis by those 23* as recorded in the book Giza Prophecy.

The Entrance to the Garden was Baalbek and the Pole Shift caused a tsunami that probably broke down that wall around the garden and they there was a battle for the tree of life just after this which pretty much made it all a mute point.
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What kind of sicko would 1-star this thread? I would give you 5 but I overspent my stars today - exceeded the limit, I mean.

This is something to think about, to dream on.
 Quoting: beeches


The thought came from the fact that Abel, who had no good examples to look for, his parents lost favor and his brother hated him, yet he had great faith in God, and must have watched the Cherubs and the flaming swords, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, never leaving their post or assignment from God, so the Cherubs became his example of steadfast servants of God.......
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I love these topics, I really do...I like it when people discuss these things and most of the time I don't get involved but I like your name OP.

You have to first go back to understand why the Adam was removed from the garden... It was to deny him further access to the tree of life in the midst as the Adam now had acquired the knowledge of good and evil and now his eyes were open and he was able to see as god.

I imagine that at some point this garden would have to be abandoned and the first thing removed would be the tree of life...Once that was gone there would be no need to keep up the security...

So the garden was no longer guarded once the pertinent life extending tree was gone...

There is so much to these topics that you will have to spend something like 10 years looking into everything to establish some semblance of an understanding about what these parables actually refer to and when you begin to get some kind of closure, it's going to feel like you took the red pill so you may want to consider what exactly you're looking for...


Thanks for allowing me into your thread.

T
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" 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life."- Genesis 3:24
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BillyBob her y'all wif a qiston bout them cherubs (and notice how i speled it rite). they waz stuk standin there fer hunerds of years so my qiston is.... whad they do ta deserve that?
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" 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life."- Genesis 3:24
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


BillyBob her y'all wif a qiston bout them cherubs (and notice how i speled it rite). they waz stuk standin there fer hunerds of years so my qiston is.... whad they do ta deserve that?
 Quoting: DGN


spell


Angus here to ol Billy Burp, furst of all, u spellz "cherub" like some shiny shoed fancy ol boy, tha wayz to spellz it iz carobs k? n secunz iz them thar carobs wuz faifull to the good lord 2 keepz them swordz blazin fur a long timez k?
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its inside the sun....shhhhh. beyond the plank length of dimensionality.
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" 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life."- Genesis 3:24
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


BillyBob her y'all wif a qiston bout them cherubs (and notice how i speled it rite). they waz stuk standin there fer hunerds of years so my qiston is.... whad they do ta deserve that?
 Quoting: DGN


spell


Angus here to ol Billy Burp, furst of all, u spellz "cherub" like some shiny shoed fancy ol boy, tha wayz to spellz it iz carobs k? n secunz iz them thar carobs wuz faifull to the good lord 2 keepz them swordz blazin fur a long timez k?
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Angus fer crying out loud, doncha kno how ta spel nufun? i got it rite an carob is foony choklot stufed inta boxz peepole sellin pertendind ta be Sees candy on movers day.everbody sit it out an fro da hole box over da fenz fer da pigsa gobble up an poop back out. itz a violayshun of the good book which sayz;
"A cheating pair of scales is something detestable to Jehovah, but a complete stone-weight is a pleasure to him." Pr11:1
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And who was Cain's father?

"ye are of your father, the Devil, a murderer
born, and of the Synagogue of Satan".
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And who was Cain's father?

"ye are of your father, the Devil, a murderer
born, and of the Synagogue of Satan".
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Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth. 43 Why is it YOU do not know what I am speaking? Because YOU cannot listen to my word. 44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell the truth, YOU do not believe me. 46 Who of YOU convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it YOU do not believe me? 47 He that is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why YOU do not listen, because YOU are not from God.” Jo8:42
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see
" 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life."- Genesis 3:24
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


BillyBob her y'all wif a qiston bout them cherubs (and notice how i speled it rite). they waz stuk standin there fer hunerds of years so my qiston is.... whad they do ta deserve that?
 Quoting: DGN


spell


Angus here to ol Billy Burp, furst of all, u spellz "cherub" like some shiny shoed fancy ol boy, tha wayz to spellz it iz carobs k? n secunz iz them thar carobs wuz faifull to the good lord 2 keepz them swordz blazin fur a long timez k?
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Angus fer crying out loud, doncha kno how ta spel nufun? i got it rite an carob is foony choklot stufed inta boxz peepole sellin pertendind ta be Sees candy on movers day.everbody sit it out an fro da hole box over da fenz fer da pigsa gobble up an poop back out. itz a violayshun of the good book which sayz;
"A cheating pair of scales is something detestable to Jehovah, but a complete stone-weight is a pleasure to him." Pr11:1
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Them carobs wiff tha blazn long firey stickz wuz keepin tha bad peepholes outta the guardian of effen n if sum 1 wuz sellin fooney choklot then them will darnz wellz payz:


"Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap"...- Galations 6:7
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BillyBob her y'all wif a qiston bout them cherubs (and notice how i speled it rite). they waz stuk standin there fer hunerds of years so my qiston is.... whad they do ta deserve that?
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spell


Angus here to ol Billy Burp, furst of all, u spellz "cherub" like some shiny shoed fancy ol boy, tha wayz to spellz it iz carobs k? n secunz iz them thar carobs wuz faifull to the good lord 2 keepz them swordz blazin fur a long timez k?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Angus fer crying out loud, doncha kno how ta spel nufun? i got it rite an carob is foony choklot stufed inta boxz peepole sellin pertendind ta be Sees candy on movers day.everbody sit it out an fro da hole box over da fenz fer da pigsa gobble up an poop back out. itz a violayshun of the good book which sayz;
"A cheating pair of scales is something detestable to Jehovah, but a complete stone-weight is a pleasure to him." Pr11:1
 Quoting: DGN


Them carobs wiff tha blazn long firey stickz wuz keepin tha bad peepholes outta the guardian of effen n if sum 1 wuz sellin fooney choklot then them will darnz wellz payz:


"Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap"...- Galations 6:7
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


yeah... well at leest ya finlee got sumfum rite fer crying out loud, like the good lord sayz;
" Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine.  Abstain from every form of wickedness." 1Thes5:21
But i gotta tell ya angus... ya gotta git yer self outa that chiken ranch an xpand yer mind.... crying out loud

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