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Three little known (by Christians) facts about the Bible and Revelation
Bible Fact 1: The New Testament has been written and re-written many times over, and nobody knows what the original content is.

Bible Fact 2: Many meanings explained in the book of Revelation are the author's own perspective on what he believes the visions mean, using standard human filtration.

Bible Fact 3: The person who wrote Revelation clearly believed the vision was related to things happening in modern day, and some references are not part of the vision at all.

Source: [link to www.godgamesproject.com]

All feedback appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Please actually read document in link before commenting to have a frame of reference as to what logical points back up these statements. Thank you.
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I clicked your link and got teleported back to the 20th century.
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I clicked your link and got teleported back to the 20th century.
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If you can't learn from History then I guess you are doomed to repeat it. The Renaissance was good times.
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Well I clicked the link and I must say I'm not impressed. Within the first two sentences it was clear that the website is promoted towards occultists, hardly the folks I would expect to be giving accurate commentary on the Bible. Not to mention that the website author even tells you to take what is on that website "with a grain of salt". That's a major indicator right there that you may not be getting accurate information at all. Furthermore, the three points you make in your post are so outlandish they need not even a rebuttal, they speak for themselves. If you want to start educating us Christians about what our Bible tells us, then maybe you should do a little of your own research yourself and not take someone else's word as fact.
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Well I clicked the link and I must say I'm not impressed. Within the first two sentences it was clear that the website is promoted towards occultists, hardly the folks I would expect to be giving accurate commentary on the Bible. Not to mention that the website author even tells you to take what is on that website "with a grain of salt". That's a major indicator right there that you may not be getting accurate information at all. Furthermore, the three points you make in your post are so outlandish they need not even a rebuttal, they speak for themselves. If you want to start educating us Christians about what our Bible tells us, then maybe you should do a little of your own research yourself and not take someone else's word as fact.
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I would say encouraging people to take information they find with a grain of salt and do external research to the website is not in any way an indication of close mindedness or an indication the author has anything to fear from people following this advice.

Also, this is a standard disclaimer on my website, which contains many documentaries and information which is not created by me the author.

I have done extensive research on The Bible. I likely knew more about it than most Christians ever will by the time I was 18.

Did you read the actual documentation? Stating that information which is foreign to you does not need to be read or understood is not a sign that you know more about the Bible than me, but an indication of closed mindedness and willfull ignorance.
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I clicked your link and got teleported back to the 20th century.
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If you can't learn from History then I guess you are doomed to repeat it. The Renaissance was good times.
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Errr, site layout and colors?

Either it was made by a 3 year old or it was made in the 20th century or by someone stuck in time.

I didn't even bother reading it because you know, it's all bullshit.
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Re: Three little known (by Christians) facts about the Bible and Revelation
Well I clicked the link and I must say I'm not impressed. Within the first two sentences it was clear that the website is promoted towards occultists, hardly the folks I would expect to be giving accurate commentary on the Bible. Not to mention that the website author even tells you to take what is on that website "with a grain of salt". That's a major indicator right there that you may not be getting accurate information at all. Furthermore, the three points you make in your post are so outlandish they need not even a rebuttal, they speak for themselves. If you want to start educating us Christians about what our Bible tells us, then maybe you should do a little of your own research yourself and not take someone else's word as fact.
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I would say encouraging people to take information they find with a grain of salt and do external research to the website is not in any way an indication of close mindedness or an indication the author has anything to fear from people following this advice.

Also, this is a standard disclaimer on my website, which contains many documentaries and information which is not created by me the author.

I have done extensive research on The Bible. I likely knew more about it than most Christians ever will by the time I was 18.

Did you read the actual documentation? Stating that information which is foreign to you does not need to be read or understood is not a sign that you know more about the Bible than me, but an indication of closed mindedness and willfull ignorance.
 Quoting: Loki's Magus


No, I did not read all the documentation. Nor did I watch my dog finish his morning dump today, but I saw enough of both to know there was a lot of crap involved.
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Matthew 5:17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets ... Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all (the prophecies) be fulfilled.
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Substituting one type of bullshit for another type of bullshit is pointless don't you think?
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You should repent of this wickedness while there is still time
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Point 1: Yup, but I feel that much of the content from the Gospels are pretty close, at least. (This might be "faith" on my part, but hey ... I already toss out most of Paul's letters as nothing more than a historical commentary ... I don't really want to toss out the entire Brit Chadasha because without it, there's not much I can learn about Yahushua)

Point 2: Yup, few seem to grasp this even though it really is quite obvious when read in context (both literal and historical)

Point 3: Not real clear on your meaning of "modern times", our modern times or the authors?

Your posting, IN MY OPINION (for the onlookers), has said nothing blasphemous and I'm not real sure why so many are taking such offense over it.

Sadly, I tried to read the link you provided, but once you get to the second table (where I presume the content should be) it gave me a 404. I would like to pick the data apart, do some translations and check this stuff out for myself and my own edification, but it seems that the content is missing.

I would like to venture a "fact 4" for the list here, though, if I may: Revelation is almost impossible to fully understand without also understanding the prophecies of Daniel. If Revelation were the butter, Daniel would be the bread.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 06/12/2013 07:02 AM
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This does not seem to be an appropriate topic for this particular forum. I'll attempt to refrain from helping people with this kind of information in the future. :-)
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Point 1: Yup, but I feel that much of the content from the Gospels are pretty close, at least. (This might be "faith" on my part, but hey ... I already toss out most of Paul's letters as nothing more than a historical commentary ... I don't really want to toss out the entire Brit Chadasha because without it, there's not much I can learn about Yahushua)

Point 2: Yup, few seem to grasp this even though it really is quite obvious when read in context (both literal and historical)

Point 3: Not real clear on your meaning of "modern times", our modern times or the authors?

Your posting, IN MY OPINION (for the onlookers), has said nothing blasphemous and I'm not real sure why so many are taking such offense over it.

Sadly, I tried to read the link you provided, but once you get to the second table (where I presume the content should be) it gave me a 404. I would like to pick the data apart, do some translations and check this stuff out for myself and my own edification, but it seems that the content is missing.

I would like to venture a "fact 4" for the list here, though, if I may: Revelation is almost impossible to fully understand without also understanding the prophecies of Daniel. If Revelation were the butter, Daniel would be the bread.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


I would love to hear more about correlations between Daniel and Revelation. If you have a link or book recommend I would appreciate this.

Also, do not worry about the mysterious fact that everyone has an opinion on this document or the fact that they assume numerous things about me, the author, the website, and also the motivations behind writing the document, all of which are wrong. Nor worry about the fact none of these people will read the entire document before forming an opinion.

They are slaves of Anu. It is not their fault. They are the victims. This problem is being resolved external to things done on the Internet, and they will be free to pursue the true teachings of Jesus with the rest of the world in time...

The website gets hacked a lot by these annoying Anonymous people who think their interpretations of Jesus give them a right to censor the Internet. Try again later, or hit refresh for better results.
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Point 1: Yup, but I feel that much of the content from the Gospels are pretty close, at least. (This might be "faith" on my part, but hey ... I already toss out most of Paul's letters as nothing more than a historical commentary ... I don't really want to toss out the entire Brit Chadasha because without it, there's not much I can learn about Yahushua)

Point 2: Yup, few seem to grasp this even though it really is quite obvious when read in context (both literal and historical)

Point 3: Not real clear on your meaning of "modern times", our modern times or the authors?

Your posting, IN MY OPINION (for the onlookers), has said nothing blasphemous and I'm not real sure why so many are taking such offense over it.

Sadly, I tried to read the link you provided, but once you get to the second table (where I presume the content should be) it gave me a 404. I would like to pick the data apart, do some translations and check this stuff out for myself and my own edification, but it seems that the content is missing.

I would like to venture a "fact 4" for the list here, though, if I may: Revelation is almost impossible to fully understand without also understanding the prophecies of Daniel. If Revelation were the butter, Daniel would be the bread.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


I would love to hear more about correlations between Daniel and Revelation. If you have a link or book recommend I would appreciate this.

Also, do not worry about the mysterious fact that everyone has an opinion on this document or the fact that they assume numerous things about me, the author, the website, and also the motivations behind writing the document, all of which are wrong. Nor worry about the fact none of these people will read the entire document before forming an opinion.

They are slaves of Anu. It is not their fault. They are the victims. This problem is being resolved external to things done on the Internet, and they will be free to pursue the true teachings of Jesus with the rest of the world in time...

The website gets hacked a lot by these annoying Anonymous people who think their interpretations of Jesus give them a right to censor the Internet. Try again later, or hit refresh for better results.
 Quoting: Loki's Magus


This does a decent job of showing you the pertinent bits.


"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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Well I clicked the link and I must say I'm not impressed. Within the first two sentences it was clear that the website is promoted towards occultists, hardly the folks I would expect to be giving accurate commentary on the Bible. Not to mention that the website author even tells you to take what is on that website "with a grain of salt". That's a major indicator right there that you may not be getting accurate information at all. Furthermore, the three points you make in your post are so outlandish they need not even a rebuttal, they speak for themselves. If you want to start educating us Christians about what our Bible tells us, then maybe you should do a little of your own research yourself and not take someone else's word as fact.
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I would say encouraging people to take information they find with a grain of salt and do external research to the website is not in any way an indication of close mindedness or an indication the author has anything to fear from people following this advice.

Also, this is a standard disclaimer on my website, which contains many documentaries and information which is not created by me the author.

I have done extensive research on The Bible. I likely knew more about it than most Christians ever will by the time I was 18.

Did you read the actual documentation? Stating that information which is foreign to you does not need to be read or understood is not a sign that you know more about the Bible than me, but an indication of closed mindedness and willfull ignorance.
 Quoting: Loki's Magus


No, I did not read all the documentation. Nor did I watch my dog finish his morning dump today, but I saw enough of both to know there was a lot of crap involved.
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I have to admit - I was just perusing this thread when I saw this comeback and I had to give you props. That was epic...
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This does not seem to be an appropriate topic for this particular forum. I'll attempt to refrain from helping people with this kind of information in the future. :-)
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That's probably best, since you don't know what you're talking about, and give bad advise. Your first question, was based solely upon your own ill-informed opinion, and no facts whatsoever.
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This does not seem to be an appropriate topic for this particular forum. I'll attempt to refrain from helping people with this kind of information in the future. :-)
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That's probably best, since you don't know what you're talking about, and give bad advise. Your first question, was based solely upon your own ill-informed opinion, and no facts whatsoever.
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You can't even spell advice correctly, so shut up.
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Gays wrote some of it, for a gay King.

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Bible Fact 1: The New Testament has been written and re-written many times over, and nobody knows what the original content is.

Bible Fact 2: Many meanings explained in the book of Revelation are the author's own perspective on what he believes the visions mean, using standard human filtration.

Bible Fact 3: The person who wrote Revelation clearly believed the vision was related to things happening in modern day, and some references are not part of the vision at all.

Source: [link to www.godgamesproject.com]

All feedback appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Please actually read document in link before commenting to have a frame of reference as to what logical points back up these statements. Thank you.
 Quoting: Loki's Magus

I think your screen name choice says it all:
Loki was the evil, Norse God.
A Magus is one who dabbles in magical arts or occult and mystical things.
Neither of which, would make any thing you say about the Bible be respected.
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This does not seem to be an appropriate topic for this particular forum. I'll attempt to refrain from helping people with this kind of information in the future. :-)
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That's probably best, since you don't know what you're talking about, and give bad advise. Your first question, was based solely upon your own ill-informed opinion, and no facts whatsoever.
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The problem is not the advice I give.

I give great advice. Some people know this because they followed it. Some people know this because they wish they had. But everyone who has heard my advice knows it in time one way or another... However there is no advice in this documentation.

All the documentation really contains is history lessons (AKA facts.)

The problem is not with the document, the problem is that I posted it on the GLP board. I could say more, but I prefer not to be a dick about it, so that's all I have to say. :-)

The idea that something is not true, because you have never been presented with this information before is not logical thinking, but willful ignorance.

And the idea that you should be respected for declaring whether or not something is accurate without actually reading the documentation, or researching the arguments made in the documentation...

Well, I think this pretty much explains it. :-)

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If you can't stand the heat, you shouldn't be playing with the fire. As a so-called student of Kaballah, your ignorance is really showing.

There are many of us CHRISTians who are very aware of your so-called "facts". Satan has been attacking the foundations of Christianity for millennia. Some very well-versed people over the years have actually put together material that had "some" merit to it. I see no merit at all on that website. I have studied Kabballah for decades and see NOTHING that disputes what science is now beginning to take seriously or take it so seriously that they don't want to upset their own applecart. The "FACT" is that modern science is now admitting that their experiments are showing them that "effect" can actually happen before "cause". The "fact" that light is now seen as capable of traveling of MULTIPLES of light speed--therefore showing that the "Standard Model" can no longer stand as "fact". The ONE major "fact" that disproved the possibility of a 6000 year-old earth was the "fact" of the limiting factor of light speed at 186,282 miles per second in a vacuum. Modern experiments now show that light CAN and DOES travel faster than ever imagined. The "facts" PROVING that the earth is billions of years old is now relegated to the dustbins of ignorance and has joined the "legions" of former scientists of old who have been proved wrong, time and time again.

I could go on for hours showing just how ignorant (not stupid) your proposals are. Your "facts" are all wrong or misguided. In "fact", I will even go a step further and state without any qualms whatsoever that if there is, indeed, a so-called "hall of records", it is contained within the Scriptures themselves--right out in the open. I am a SCIENCE FREAK and have been since early childhood and find that Scripture has the finest SCIENCE that the world has ever seen. Kabballah does not even scratch the surface--as must as I enjoyed studying it and discussing it on many forums--including the time travel institute science forum. When the Bible said that the earth (by inference) is only 6000 or so years old, instead of trying to DISPROVE that, I sought to PROVE it. Science has done a far better job of it than I ever could.

As far as coming to this forum is somehow a bad choice to teach the "natives" your wonderful truth of antichristian dogma, may I remind you that you are on a CONSPIRACY forum which has far more enemies to "religion" than it does those who might even agree with you. "Marginalizing" the "natives' because they don't see your "brilliance" is hardly the way to prove your own stances.
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I clicked your link and got teleported back to the 20th century.
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If you can't learn from History then I guess you are doomed to repeat it. The Renaissance was good times.
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Errr, site layout and colors?

Either it was made by a 3 year old or it was made in the 20th century or by someone stuck in time.

I didn't even bother reading it because you know, it's all bullshit.
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i cant even open it
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This does not seem to be an appropriate topic for this particular forum. I'll attempt to refrain from helping people with this kind of information in the future. :-)
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If you could that would be great. Thanks.
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Re: Three little known (by Christians) facts about the Bible and Revelation
If you can't stand the heat, you shouldn't be playing with the fire. As a so-called student of Kaballah, your ignorance is really showing.

There are many of us CHRISTians who are very aware of your so-called "facts". Satan has been attacking the foundations of Christianity for millennia. Some very well-versed people over the years have actually put together material that had "some" merit to it. I see no merit at all on that website. I have studied Kabballah for decades and see NOTHING that disputes what science is now beginning to take seriously or take it so seriously that they don't want to upset their own applecart. The "FACT" is that modern science is now admitting that their experiments are showing them that "effect" can actually happen before "cause". The "fact" that light is now seen as capable of traveling of MULTIPLES of light speed--therefore showing that the "Standard Model" can no longer stand as "fact". The ONE major "fact" that disproved the possibility of a 6000 year-old earth was the "fact" of the limiting factor of light speed at 186,282 miles per second in a vacuum. Modern experiments now show that light CAN and DOES travel faster than ever imagined. The "facts" PROVING that the earth is billions of years old is now relegated to the dustbins of ignorance and has joined the "legions" of former scientists of old who have been proved wrong, time and time again.

I could go on for hours showing just how ignorant (not stupid) your proposals are. Your "facts" are all wrong or misguided. In "fact", I will even go a step further and state without any qualms whatsoever that if there is, indeed, a so-called "hall of records", it is contained within the Scriptures themselves--right out in the open. I am a SCIENCE FREAK and have been since early childhood and find that Scripture has the finest SCIENCE that the world has ever seen. Kabballah does not even scratch the surface--as must as I enjoyed studying it and discussing it on many forums--including the time travel institute science forum. When the Bible said that the earth (by inference) is only 6000 or so years old, instead of trying to DISPROVE that, I sought to PROVE it. Science has done a far better job of it than I ever could.

As far as coming to this forum is somehow a bad choice to teach the "natives" your wonderful truth of antichristian dogma, may I remind you that you are on a CONSPIRACY forum which has far more enemies to "religion" than it does those who might even agree with you. "Marginalizing" the "natives' because they don't see your "brilliance" is hardly the way to prove your own stances.
 Quoting: Zerubbabel


Am I understanding correctly you are saying the Bible is correct in it's statement that the earth is less than 6,000 years old, and that science has proven this.

Also you stated I am making ridiculous claims. Did you have some kind evidence to cite the validity of your claim which "science has done a far better job of" proving than you?

I am very interested on how a clearly educated person like yourself is going to back up this claim... with science. :-)

Also, Kabbalah has dibs on the big bang theory. They wrote it about two millennium ago, so I don't understand why you seem to consider the Kabbalah to not be scientific, but that the bible is.

I personally do not see this documentation as anti-christian or satanic. I believe that if people do their own research on this document and Christianity then they can learn truth.

After all, if the blind lead the blind, then you all fall into a pit together, right? And since my information is accurate, whereas you are claiming the earth is less than 6,000 years old and that this is proven by science...

I guess maybe people have some things to learn about their own history.

I had a college sophmore reading and reading comprehension level in 5th grade, and likely have read more books in a year than most so called scholars read in their life.

Yet you, the great wise one, have something to say I have never heard of... That science has proven better than you can, that the earth is less than 6,000 years old.

I'm looking forward to your explanation of how the earth is less than 6,000 years old. :-)
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Bible Fact 1: The New Testament has been written and re-written many times over, and nobody knows what the original content is.

Bible Fact 2: Many meanings explained in the book of Revelation are the author's own perspective on what he believes the visions mean, using standard human filtration.

Bible Fact 3: The person who wrote Revelation clearly believed the vision was related to things happening in modern day, and some references are not part of the vision at all.

Source: [link to www.godgamesproject.com]

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Please actually read document in link before commenting to have a frame of reference as to what logical points back up these statements. Thank you.
 Quoting: Loki's Magus


Those are not "facts"...

They're speculation, and ones persons "opinions"...

No one knows what the "true facts" of the Bible really are.

Yes, it has been rewritten many times, but this is a misinterpretation. It has been re translated, numerous times as our understandings of ancient dialects grows. There are constant debates about specific translations and their meanings. These translations however, have all come from the same ancient manuscripts, which ARE still available and on public display. They were recently on public display in Times Square just last year as a part of an exhibit that featured some of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

It is also opinion, and speculation, that John of Patmos wrote Revelation based on events of the real world around him at the time. However, what is not known for sure, is who the Roman Emperor was. Some people claim it was Nero and that the references to the "beast" represented Nero himself, but there is no actual proof that Revelation was written during Nero's reign; only speculation.

What is true, however, is that the writings of Revelation are a pretty stark confirmation of the prophecies of Daniel and Isaiah regarding the end times... whose writings do not detail the actual "end times" but instead, they detail the political atmosphere of the entire world during the days that "lead up to" the so-called "end days".....

Take Daniels Prophecy of the War of the Ram, for example; and how it describes Armies from western empires, crossing the entire globe to fight a war at the Euphrates; without their feet ever touching the ground while they cross the globe.

For thousands of years, no western "army" has "crossed the globe" to fight a war at the Euphrates River, "without their feet touching the ground" ...

Until the 1990's and 2000's when Bush Sr. and Bush W. sent American Forces across the Globe... BY AIRPLANE (their feet never touched the ground during transit!), to fight in Iraq at the Euphrates River (Baghdad)... and this is a fact that has many Bible scholars today taking a closer look at Daniel, and noting how Daniel's prophecies describe the political rise of the One World Ruler before the actual End Days take place... while Revelations only describes his Rule over the World during the End Days, it does nothing to tell us how this person comes to power.

Daniel tells us, this person comes to power through aggression between powerful western forces, and the Middle East... aggression that weakens these western powers, and gives way for the East to rise to greater heights and leading into the precursor of what becomes the "10 Nation Empire" of Revelations.
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I would like to venture a "fact 4" for the list here, though, if I may: Revelation is almost impossible to fully understand without also understanding the prophecies of Daniel. If Revelation were the butter, Daniel would be the bread.
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Precisely my point.
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Bible Fact 1: The New Testament has been written and re-written many times over, and nobody knows what the original content is.

Bible Fact 2: Many meanings explained in the book of Revelation are the author's own perspective on what he believes the visions mean, using standard human filtration.

Bible Fact 3: The person who wrote Revelation clearly believed the vision was related to things happening in modern day, and some references are not part of the vision at all.

Source: [link to www.godgamesproject.com]

All feedback appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Please actually read document in link before commenting to have a frame of reference as to what logical points back up these statements. Thank you.
 Quoting: Loki's Magus


Those are not "facts"...

They're speculation, and ones persons "opinions"...

No one knows what the "true facts" of the Bible really are.

Yes, it has been rewritten many times, but this is a misinterpretation. It has been re translated, numerous times as our understandings of ancient dialects grows. There are constant debates about specific translations and their meanings. These translations however, have all come from the same ancient manuscripts, which ARE still available and on public display. They were recently on public display in Times Square just last year as a part of an exhibit that featured some of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

It is also opinion, and speculation, that John of Patmos wrote Revelation based on events of the real world around him at the time. However, what is not known for sure, is who the Roman Emperor was. Some people claim it was Nero and that the references to the "beast" represented Nero himself, but there is no actual proof that Revelation was written during Nero's reign; only speculation.

What is true, however, is that the writings of Revelation are a pretty stark confirmation of the prophecies of Daniel and Isaiah regarding the end times... whose writings do not detail the actual "end times" but instead, they detail the political atmosphere of the entire world during the days that "lead up to" the so-called "end days".....

Take Daniels Prophecy of the War of the Ram, for example; and how it describes Armies from western empires, crossing the entire globe to fight a war at the Euphrates; without their feet ever touching the ground while they cross the globe.

For thousands of years, no western "army" has "crossed the globe" to fight a war at the Euphrates River, "without their feet touching the ground" ...

Until the 1990's and 2000's when Bush Sr. and Bush W. sent American Forces across the Globe... BY AIRPLANE (their feet never touched the ground during transit!), to fight in Iraq at the Euphrates River (Baghdad)... and this is a fact that has many Bible scholars today taking a closer look at Daniel, and noting how Daniel's prophecies describe the political rise of the One World Ruler before the actual End Days take place... while Revelations only describes his Rule over the World during the End Days, it does nothing to tell us how this person comes to power.

Daniel tells us, this person comes to power through aggression between powerful western forces, and the Middle East... aggression that weakens these western powers, and gives way for the East to rise to greater heights and leading into the precursor of what becomes the "10 Nation Empire" of Revelations.
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This was actually really good feedback. Thank you very much. However, did you read the actual article? It explains about Charlemagne and the changing of the texts in time.
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This was actually really good feedback. Thank you very much. However, did you read the actual article? It explains about Charlemagne and the changing of the texts in time.
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I looked at it, skimmed through parts of it... but have not yet had a chance to read it all. I'm at the office right now and my PC here is horribly slow... Perhaps, I'll read more of it when I get home tonight, as I'm emailing myself the link! :)
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Bible Fact 1: The New Testament has been written and re-written many times over, and nobody knows what the original content is.

Bible Fact 2: Many meanings explained in the book of Revelation are the author's own perspective on what he believes the visions mean, using standard human filtration.

Bible Fact 3: The person who wrote Revelation clearly believed the vision was related to things happening in modern day, and some references are not part of the vision at all.

Source: [link to www.godgamesproject.com]

All feedback appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Please actually read document in link before commenting to have a frame of reference as to what logical points back up these statements. Thank you.
 Quoting: Loki's Magus


Pretty big words coming from someone who practices "internet witchcraft."
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,
Since God is marching on.

- Battle Hymn of the Republic
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James 3:6-9

And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.

For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.

But no man can tame the tongue. [It is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.
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Re: Three little known (by Christians) facts about the Bible and Revelation
If you can't stand the heat, you shouldn't be playing with the fire. As a so-called student of Kaballah, your ignorance is really showing.

There are many of us CHRISTians who are very aware of your so-called "facts". Satan has been attacking the foundations of Christianity for millennia. Some very well-versed people over the years have actually put together material that had "some" merit to it. I see no merit at all on that website. I have studied Kabballah for decades and see NOTHING that disputes what science is now beginning to take seriously or take it so seriously that they don't want to upset their own applecart. The "FACT" is that modern science is now admitting that their experiments are showing them that "effect" can actually happen before "cause". The "fact" that light is now seen as capable of traveling of MULTIPLES of light speed--therefore showing that the "Standard Model" can no longer stand as "fact". The ONE major "fact" that disproved the possibility of a 6000 year-old earth was the "fact" of the limiting factor of light speed at 186,282 miles per second in a vacuum. Modern experiments now show that light CAN and DOES travel faster than ever imagined. The "facts" PROVING that the earth is billions of years old is now relegated to the dustbins of ignorance and has joined the "legions" of former scientists of old who have been proved wrong, time and time again.

I could go on for hours showing just how ignorant (not stupid) your proposals are. Your "facts" are all wrong or misguided. In "fact", I will even go a step further and state without any qualms whatsoever that if there is, indeed, a so-called "hall of records", it is contained within the Scriptures themselves--right out in the open. I am a SCIENCE FREAK and have been since early childhood and find that Scripture has the finest SCIENCE that the world has ever seen. Kabballah does not even scratch the surface--as must as I enjoyed studying it and discussing it on many forums--including the time travel institute science forum. When the Bible said that the earth (by inference) is only 6000 or so years old, instead of trying to DISPROVE that, I sought to PROVE it. Science has done a far better job of it than I ever could.

As far as coming to this forum is somehow a bad choice to teach the "natives" your wonderful truth of antichristian dogma, may I remind you that you are on a CONSPIRACY forum which has far more enemies to "religion" than it does those who might even agree with you. "Marginalizing" the "natives' because they don't see your "brilliance" is hardly the way to prove your own stances.
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Very well said.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)

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