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Kai D Kravit (VALIS)
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Information? You all are operating on a complete LACK thereof. There is a government agenda: TO SAVE ITS CITIZENS from outside influence. I have been transmitting information TO ALL OF YOU for 1400 years. What you all choose to utilize is called "influence." What the government is in fact doing is GIVING YOU information or FACTS so that you cannot be influences. Wake the fuck up. I AM information.
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GLP has better info than the NSA.
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never
Three months after donating $2500 to the Ron Paul Campaign for President in 2012, I received a phone call, then subsequent letter from the Cincinnati IRS Office ordering a seven year audit of my Tax Returns...

In the phone call she began asking veiled questions about "donations", but I refused to talk to them and the next day I gave a power of attorney to my Accountant and Tax Attorney to deal with them...

Didn't owe a dime to the government, but it cost me $12,000 in Accounting and Legal fee's to finish the matter.

I now have no doubt this was politically motivated and I've turned this evidence over to my congressman (which is probably the last I will ever hear of this).

Since I refused to talk to them on the phone that day I may never know for sure, but the only excuse they could give for my audit was that it was a "Random" audit, but my tax attorney and my accountant had never heard of a full seven year audit being "Random" before...

So yeah, Obama keeps a political enemies list with dossiers, of this I have no doubt...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I've never heard of a 7 YEAR audit either. In fact my accountant told me I didn't have to keep records more than 5 years when I had my own small business and even farming record.

Maybe you should consider joining the class-action lawsuit. Or one of them as I suspect before this is over there are going to be many many of those as well their should be.

Sorry this happened to you! I'd like to just have a reasonable headcount on how many "targets" there really are both tax-wise and blackmail also.
 Quoting: Bluebird


Oh yeah, check the law, they can come after you for seven years...though usually they only do it if they find cause within one of your tax returns...

I'd never heard of a random seven year audit either...

USUALLY "Random" audits are just one year of your tax returns, and usually your last return, that flag on their system for some reason...
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Apparently, you are correct. This is from their website:


How long should the records related to a business or other long-term asset be kept?
In the case of an asset, records related to the asset should generally be kept for as long as you have the asset plus three years. If the asset was exchanged, the basis for the new asset may include the exchanged asset so the records for both assets will need to be retained until the new asset is disposed plus three years from the file date of the tax return for the year of disposition.



How long should payroll records be kept?
In general, payroll records should be kept for six years with a review of the file to see if any items relating to current employees should be retained with current records.



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So I guess my accountant was being rather lax or maybe it's because he kept a copy of all pertinent data. Now that I have no business I am only keeping for 3 years.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Anyone targeted might be able to join in a class-action suit without personal expense.

I know I'm in one against certain banks and I didn't even ask to be--just got a notice in the mail that I was included.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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I think what is missing herein this discussion is the fact that, at least, this has been Chicago style politics for decades. Daly's father created data bases for his benefit. Obama is small potatoes to begin with and following the money of those who put him in office is where the story is.
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this has been going on for 10 years


the NSA was sucking up ALL Domestic communications(phone AND internet) under the Bush Administration


of course you can believe Bush's lies and pretend like it was only international phone calls


but thanks to the AT&T whistleblower we know otherwise
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Well, while I will agree that all our POTUS have been seriously flawed, I don't believe for one minute that it has ever reached this level of targeting individuals who have opposing points of view and to this extent. Not even Nixon went this far. There is no evidence of it in the past and certainly not on this massive scale as evidenced by the building of the NSA storage facility.

The technology didn't exist even as far back as Hillary and those actual paper FBI files. Remember a member of Nixon's staff went to prison for having one such file. Hillary gathered them on every member of congress.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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this has been going on for 10 years


the NSA was sucking up ALL Domestic communications(phone AND internet) under the Bush Administration


of course you can believe Bush's lies and pretend like it was only international phone calls


but thanks to the AT&T whistleblower we know otherwise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2615603


so its all ok cause Bush did it.

you fucking retard.
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You know Nixon's enemies list was part of the reason he was about to be impeached, then subsequently resigned...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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this has been going on for 10 years


the NSA was sucking up ALL Domestic communications(phone AND internet) under the Bush Administration


of course you can believe Bush's lies and pretend like it was only international phone calls


but thanks to the AT&T whistleblower we know otherwise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2615603


So who were the domestic targets of Bush and what was done to them? There was one NAACP audit but they were not denied tax-exempt status.

Who were the targeted victims and what was done to them?
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Well, while I will agree that all our POTUS have been seriously flawed, I don't believe for one minute that it has ever reached this level of targeting individuals who have opposing points of view and to this extent. Not even Nixon went this far. There is no evidence of it in the past and certainly not on this massive scale as evidenced by the building of the NSA storage facility.

The technology didn't exist even as far back as Hillary and those actual paper FBI files. Remember a member of Nixon's staff went to prison for having one such file. Hillary gathered them on every member of congress.
 Quoting: Bluebird


The thing that is annoying, is the democrats can see all this too. They can see this corruption. Yet they continue to support this fraud of a potus. They are proving they are no longer pro American democrats, but rather globalist statists.

When Bush Jr. messed up, most of us conservatives didn't continue to make excuses for him. We accepted facts and moved on.
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i'm not saying it is ok because Bush did it


i'm saying you all have your heads up your asses


title of thread is misleading
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this has been going on for 10 years


the NSA was sucking up ALL Domestic communications(phone AND internet) under the Bush Administration


of course you can believe Bush's lies and pretend like it was only international phone calls


but thanks to the AT&T whistleblower we know otherwise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2615603


You fuckin' democrat/Republican paradigm people give me a gawddamn headache...

It's about Freedom! Obama is the one in charge of this system, and using it against people, now, therefore HE IS ACCOUNTABLE!!!

I don't give a shit if it's a demorat, or republicate doing it, it's fuckin' wrong!!!
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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this country had 10 years to make a big enough fuss to make a difference

yall missed the boat on this one

it is too late...we're in over our heads
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You know what's funny? 5 years ago there were threads with the exact same title just obamas name was replaced with bush. When will we open our eyes and realize its all a game, it's all about who's team wins. Divided we stand, united we fall. Think about it.
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this has been going on for 10 years


the NSA was sucking up ALL Domestic communications(phone AND internet) under the Bush Administration


of course you can believe Bush's lies and pretend like it was only international phone calls


but thanks to the AT&T whistleblower we know otherwise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2615603


You fuckin' democrat/Republican paradigm people give me a gawddamn headache...

It's about Freedom! Obama is the one in charge of this system, and using it against people, now, therefore HE IS ACCOUNTABLE!!!

I don't give a shit if it's a demorat, or republicate doing it, it's fuckin' wrong!!!
 Quoting: Saddletramp


ohyeah
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So does google.
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So does google.
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Yea, but Google doesn't have the power of force behind them. Google cannot imprison me.
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So does google.
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Yea, but Google doesn't have the power of force behind them. Google cannot imprison me.
 Quoting: *Evan


Google is the NSA
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So does google.
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Yea, but Google doesn't have the power of force behind them. Google cannot imprison me.
 Quoting: *Evan


Google is the NSA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379065


lol, no, no it isn't
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So does google.
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Yea, but Google doesn't have the power of force behind them. Google cannot imprison me.
 Quoting: *Evan


Google is the NSA
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No, google is a search engine.
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Sounds like hitler!bump
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You know Nixon's enemies list was part of the reason he was about to be impeached, then subsequently resigned...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Yes, Second Article of Impeachment.

I have no doubt that this would have been done before had the technology existed.

But that's my point.

It wasn't possible before. Now it is.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Everything that everyone said about Obama from the very beginning, the things the libtards called us crazy for thinking, is all coming true.

No way of denying it now....

5* OP
 Quoting: *Evan


Nah, man, that's all bush.

ohappy
 Quoting: Baconhead


Bush=Clinton=Bush=Obama = Fascist/Communism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


You got that right, Mr. Tramp. When are the Obots and Bush Rump going to realize this????
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i'm not saying it is ok because Bush did it


i'm saying you all have your heads up your asses


title of thread is misleading
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No, it isn't!!!

That's the title of the article.

If I'd changed it, I suppose you'd say I did so for a reason.

But that's a direct copy and paste of the article title.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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It doesn't matter WHO is doing it but it is being done and being done right now.

And apparently very little to nothing is going to be done about it.

And we have a MSM complicit in not covering anything any more than they absolutely have to because of their unwavering support of a very corrupt POTUS.

That's also rather unique to this situation in addition to the advancement of technology to allow for a very real Big Brother.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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this has been going on for 10 years


the NSA was sucking up ALL Domestic communications(phone AND internet) under the Bush Administration


of course you can believe Bush's lies and pretend like it was only international phone calls


but thanks to the AT&T whistleblower we know otherwise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2615603


Think again!

In the beginning of 1970, Congress and The Joint Chiefs of

Staff ordered the destruction of all these data banks, but

were not destroyed. In 1970, there were 25 million data

cards on individuals and 760,000 on organizations held by

the Defense Central index of investigations. All this

information includes political, sociological, economic and

psychological profiles.
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Sounds like hitler!bump
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This is a disgrace!
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Imagine a Richard Daley Sr, with this technology!

Now that would have been something. As it was, he still had entire precincts "vote alphabetically" and did so with a straight face.

Ah, Chicagoland.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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KimmmieAnnaJones....I'm sure you're right about what you're saying


but the truth remains that the NSA didn't start sucking up all domestic inernet and phone communications until Bush Jr took office

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