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DID EVE EAT THE FRUIT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OR FROM THE TREE OF LIFE?

 
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The eating from the tree
is a metaphor for the
attempt to divide actions
up in to 'good' and 'evil'.

It works from a relative
point of view but my 'good'
may be disgusting to a
more experienced entity.

munch
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Human nature created lawyers.
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Once we were able to procreate, the Elohim kicked us out of the garden to figure it out ourselves. Nothing to do with good and evil..
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So the snake was like: yo eve eat the fruit. Homedude promised you free will. If you don't eat the fruit , how would you have free will? Eve: nom nom nom. Oh no I'm naked. Lets party!! Adam: I am a lizard step dad....
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The 'good' and 'evil' nonsense was cooked up by our controllers (the church) and we have been programed with this kind of thinking for the past two thousand years.
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The eating from the tree
is a metaphor for the
attempt to divide actions
up in to 'good' and 'evil'.

It works from a relative
point of view but my 'good'
may be disgusting to a
more experienced entity.

:munch:
 Quoting: fellowearthling


I agree as there is only choice and consequence. What is good or evil is down to our own perceptions and what we deem to be one or the other. Just like the saying

'The way to hell is oaved with GOOD intentions'.

It is because we do the action believing it to be the right actionto take, but are unaware of the consquences-which carry a high price.

Knowledge just is.
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The eating from the tree
is a metaphor for the
attempt to divide actions
up in to 'good' and 'evil'.

It works from a relative
point of view but my 'good'
may be disgusting to a
more experienced entity.

:munch:
 Quoting: fellowearthling


I agree as there is only choice and consequence. What is good or evil is down to our own perceptions and what we deem to be one or the other. Just like the saying

'The way to hell is oaved with GOOD intentions'.

It is because we do the action believing it to be the right actionto take, but are unaware of the consquences-which carry a high price.

Knowledge just is.
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The way to hell is paved with good intentions (oaved!)
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So the snake was like: yo eve eat the fruit. Homedude promised you free will. If you don't eat the fruit , how would you have free will? Eve: nom nom nom. Oh no I'm naked. Lets party!! Adam: I am a lizard step dad....
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The snake may signify DNA amongst other things when ppl are under the influence of entheogens.
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The eating from the tree
is a metaphor for the
attempt to divide actions
up in to 'good' and 'evil'.

It works from a relative
point of view but my 'good'
may be disgusting to a
more experienced entity.

:munch:
 Quoting: fellowearthling


I agree as there is only choice and consequence. What is good or evil is down to our own perceptions and what we deem to be one or the other. Just like the saying

'The way to hell is oaved with GOOD intentions'.

It is because we do the action believing it to be the right actionto take, but are unaware of the consquences-which carry a high price.

Knowledge just is.
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It's like do we wear a jacket when it's cold outside or do we all go star buck naked and freeze to death? It's called consequences, not good and evil.
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I wonder why the Serpent did not encourage her to eat from the tree of life?
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I wonder why the Serpent did not encourage her to eat from the tree of life?
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Serpent = DNA = Our creation/ awareness = Tree of life/ knowledge.
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The eating from the tree
is a metaphor for the
attempt to divide actions
up in to 'good' and 'evil'.

It works from a relative
point of view but my 'good'
may be disgusting to a
more experienced entity.

:munch:
 Quoting: fellowearthling


I agree as there is only choice and consequence. What is good or evil is down to our own perceptions and what we deem to be one or the other. Just like the saying

'The way to hell is oaved with GOOD intentions'.

It is because we do the action believing it to be the right actionto take, but are unaware of the consquences-which carry a high price.

Knowledge just is.
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It's like do we wear a jacket when it's cold outside or do we all go star buck naked and freeze to death? It's called consequences, not good and evil.
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Nice to speak to someone that actuals gets it for a change cool2
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Snake was like : god is lying to you. you care??
And bones on mars....
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The eating from the tree
is a metaphor for the
attempt to divide actions
up in to 'good' and 'evil'.

It works from a relative
point of view but my 'good'
may be disgusting to a
more experienced entity.

:munch:
 Quoting: fellowearthling


I agree as there is only choice and consequence. What is good or evil is down to our own perceptions and what we deem to be one or the other. Just like the saying

'The way to hell is oaved with GOOD intentions'.

It is because we do the action believing it to be the right actionto take, but are unaware of the consquences-which carry a high price.

Knowledge just is.
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It's like do we wear a jacket when it's cold outside or do we all go star buck naked and freeze to death? It's called consequences, not good and evil.
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Nice to speak to someone that actuals gets it for a change cool2
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This place is filled with indoctrinated religious ppl.
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2 points :

1. the bible says there were 2 trees in the middle of the garden. one was the tree of knowledge and the other was the tree of life.

2. what is this story all about anyway?? if god is so omniscient that he knows everything and the future events....why did he set up this whole shemozzle for??? if he knew in advance that Eve would succumb to the temptations of a higher and stronger power, the serpent satan. and if god was so omniscient why was he calling out to Adam? where are you Adam??? surely he should have known where Adam was hiding if he is omniscient and omnipresent? why make such an ignorant question??? where are you Adam??
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I agree as there is only choice and consequence. What is good or evil is down to our own perceptions and what we deem to be one or the other. Just like the saying

'The way to hell is oaved with GOOD intentions'.

It is because we do the action believing it to be the right actionto take, but are unaware of the consquences-which carry a high price.

Knowledge just is.
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It's like do we wear a jacket when it's cold outside or do we all go star buck naked and freeze to death? It's called consequences, not good and evil.
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Nice to speak to someone that actuals gets it for a change cool2
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This place is filled with indoctrinated religious ppl.
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I agree with that. Religion is for those that need to be told what to do and need someone/thing to blame for their own actions & consequences. when in reality we all have brain which we can choose to use or not. Everyone is capable of finding knowledge themselves without religion. Religion was created for those who would rather follow than lead themselves and take responsibilty for their own actions, consequences & fate.
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2 points :

1. the bible says there were 2 trees in the middle of the garden. one was the tree of knowledge and the other was the tree of life.

2. what is this story all about anyway?? if god is so omniscient that he knows everything and the future events....why did he set up this whole shemozzle for??? if he knew in advance that Eve would succumb to the temptations of a higher and stronger power, the serpent satan. and if god was so omniscient why was he calling out to Adam? where are you Adam??? surely he should have known where Adam was hiding if he is omniscient and omnipresent? why make such an ignorant question??? where are you Adam??
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1. Yes, and everybody knew which was which.

2.

(a) It is the account of how the world began, who began it, and what happened to it.

(b) God can create whatever he wants. He told us he made man in his image, which is that we are sentient beings who are responsible for our choices. And I don't think anyone else has a provable answer for every little detail of their beliefs.

(c) If God only created a scenario where nobody would rebel against him, he'd really be creating robots, not sentient beings. Free will is a gift to those who use it wisely, and a curse to those who do not. He called to Adam for Adam's benefit, not his own.

Your "questions" are dares, not honest inquiries. You ask them not to receive answers but to infer that God is not God. But I answered you anyway. However, I won't keep responding to dares or poor reasoning.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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2 points :

1. the bible says there were 2 trees in the middle of the garden. one was the tree of knowledge and the other was the tree of life.

2. what is this story all about anyway?? if god is so omniscient that he knows everything and the future events....why did he set up this whole shemozzle for??? if he knew in advance that Eve would succumb to the temptations of a higher and stronger power, the serpent satan. and if god was so omniscient why was he calling out to Adam? where are you Adam??? surely he should have known where Adam was hiding if he is omniscient and omnipresent? why make such an ignorant question??? where are you Adam??
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The garden was a fenced in area where the Elohim kept us, kinda like a zoo.
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Nommos

The Dogon tells the legend of the Nommos, awful-looking beings who arrived in a vessel along with fire and thunder.

After they arrived here - they put out a reservoir of water onto the Earth then dove into the water.

There are references in the oral traditions, drawings and cuneiform tablets of the Dogons, to human looking beings who have feet but who are portrayed as having a large fish skin running down their bodies.

The Nommos were more fishlike than human, and had to live in water. They were saviors and spiritual guardians: "The Nommo divided his body among men to feed them; that is why it is also said that as the universe "had drunk of his body," the Nommo also made men drink. He gave all his life principles to human beings."

The Nommo was crucified and resurrected and in the future will again visit the Earth, this time in human form. Later he will assume his amphibious form and will rule the world from the waters.

Dogon mythology is known only by a number of their priests, and is a complex system of knowledge. Such carefully guarded secrets would not be divulged to friendly strangers very easily. If the star Emme Ya is eventually discovered in the Sirius system, this would give considerably weight to the Dogon's story.

The Nommos, who could live on land but dwelled mostly in the sea, were part fish, like merfolk (mermaids and mermen).

Similar creatures have been noted in other ancient civilizations -- Sumer, Babylonia's Oannes, Acadia's Ea, Sumer's Enki, and Egypt's goddess Isis.

It was from the Nommos that the Dogon claimed their knowledge of the heavens.



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2 points :

1. the bible says there were 2 trees in the middle of the garden. one was the tree of knowledge and the other was the tree of life.

2. what is this story all about anyway?? if god is so omniscient that he knows everything and the future events....why did he set up this whole shemozzle for??? if he knew in advance that Eve would succumb to the temptations of a higher and stronger power, the serpent satan. and if god was so omniscient why was he calling out to Adam? where are you Adam??? surely he should have known where Adam was hiding if he is omniscient and omnipresent? why make such an ignorant question??? where are you Adam??
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God offers a time for reflection and repentance, yet you determine God's question to be ignorant.
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It's the tree of the knowledge OF GOOD AND EVIL, not "the tree of (all) or (hidden) knowledge!

And Eve was not confused; she knew which tree it was.

Sheesh, the ignorance around here...
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If it wasn't for that bitch, we would all be walking around with our junk hanging out free and unrestricted...which is why most aliens don't wear clothes...
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And freezing to death during the winter
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2 points :

1. the bible says there were 2 trees in the middle of the garden. one was the tree of knowledge and the other was the tree of life.

2. what is this story all about anyway?? if god is so omniscient that he knows everything and the future events....why did he set up this whole shemozzle for??? if he knew in advance that Eve would succumb to the temptations of a higher and stronger power, the serpent satan. and if god was so omniscient why was he calling out to Adam? where are you Adam??? surely he should have known where Adam was hiding if he is omniscient and omnipresent? why make such an ignorant question??? where are you Adam??
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1*
yes 2 trees one maintains health, vitality, vigor, strength and extends Life

The other gives you Deep knowledge at the Great cost of Falling into Sin against your creator

2* Of-course God knew exactly where Adam and Eve were
He was calling their bluff by Asking them though, Remembering God already knew that Snake had deceived Eve (and Adam via Eve)

3*Certain that Heaven would have warned Adam and Eve about Lucifer which is Why He disguised himself as a Serpent in the Garden, yes God Knows the Beginning from The End and the whole great controversy between Satan and Christ has to play out to its final conclusion

So then the Universe would never Choose to willingly fall into Sin ever again

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I see the bible thumpers are fixed in their beliefs (wish to be true). So be it....
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poor Eve,
she must have been very confused by this crazy Yahweeh god.
one minute he tells her not to eat from the tree of life and then he banishes her from Eden for eating from the tree of knowledge??
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It's a possibility Eve had intercourse with the serpent.
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I see the bible thumpers are fixed in their beliefs (wish to be true). So be it....
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OP starts a thread about a specific passage in the Bible... trolls rant about "Bible thumpers"...
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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I see the bible thumpers are fixed in their beliefs (wish to be true). So be it....
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And so they are. they are not worth wasting your time on, I learnt this along time ago. They are obviously conten stay inside the cage their mind has made for themself.

There are only a few who truly see, listen and learn. Its nice to know that their are others out there ;)

I liked your info on the dogons I have been telling people about their knowledge for years-shows that their was knowledge a long time before the bible was written. That book certainly has done its job of keeping people controlled-written by man for man!
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I think it was from the tree of HEATHEN HUSSIES, hence she got kicked out?
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she ate from the tree of the "Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL".

my understanding is that this is the first point of division. division destroys ONEness.

when one person begins to evaluate others as good/evil (judging), there can be no ONEness. when 7 billion people begin judging 7 billion others as good/evil - clusterfuck ensues.

my understanding is that in paradise there is no good or evil, only unity.
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Genesis says EVE was tempted and ate from the tree of in the middle of the Garden. The tree she ate from is not "named" but the serpent promised her knowledge like the God's" so we've taken to calling it the "tree of knowledge".

The tree of life was also in there but neither Adam or Eve ate from that tree.

After they ate from the tree of Knowledge and a curse was put upon the ground and upon mankind, they were driven out of the Garden and had to learn how to grow food, they had to hunt for trees with fruit and they had to deal with thorns, thistles and pain in childbirth... none of which existed in the garden of Eden itself. They were planned to be immortal. But that changed when she gained this "knowledge" and a curse was put upon the entire earth itself. Science thinks the curse (or part of it anyway) was what we now call entropy. The fact that all things slow down, deteriorate and grow older and wear out. In the days before this curse, there was not this fundamental change taking place in all matter. Science have trace this "change" in the molecular structure of granite. They can tell in very old stones that something changed about five/six thousand years back. And this change was the beginning of molecular decay or "entropy".

Genesis records that GOD was worried about them eating from the Tree of Life and then living forever. And he instructed his Cherebum (angelic beings) to drive Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden mainly to keep them away of the Tree of Life.

In other Apocrypha books (non-inspired of the spirit as the Holy Bible is, but books that have recorded events in ancient times, many of which are referred to in the Bible itself and were considered "almost Biblical" writings down thru history. it is recorded that the Garden of Eden existed some long period of time after Adam and Even were driven out of it and found other places to live - (like a nearby cave for one.) Some Torah Scholars believe it continued to exist in it's created form for fifteen hundred years (the length of time from Adam and Even's creation until the flood of Noah) and that the Garden was ripped off the face of the earth by the great flood of Noah's time when the rest of the face of the planet was destroyed.

Below is GENESIS CHAPTER 3 King James VERSION:



Adam and Eve Are Driven out of Eden
Genesis 3

1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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Genesis says EVE was tempted and ate from the tree of in the middle of the Garden. The tree she ate from is not "named" but the serpent promised her knowledge like the God's" so we've taken to calling it the "tree of knowledge". ...
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I can agree with your post. But as for the tree's name, the reason I've been harping on that is because most people who leave off "of good and evil" try to claim that God was afraid that people would have esoteric knowledge, not just to experience evil.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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