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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
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True yet incomplete.
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I imagine you'd also like to believe that you evolved from a monkey, correct?

and/or you could begin by telling us where the monkeys you believe you've evolved from came from in the first place, and why they're still here in the second place (the same as they've ever been right down the line) cuz that's as good a place as any for you to begin to renew your contract with stupid, altho you didn't come by it naturally you indeed had help in that regard

example with reference to this thread:

looked up the word "simeon" with reference to the monkey in question, and low and behold look what came up:



Sim·e·on
[sim-ee-uhn]

noun
1. a son of Jacob and Leah. Gen. 29:33.

2. one of the 12 tribes of Israel traditionally descended from him.

3. a devout man of Jerusalem who praised God for letting him see the infant Jesus. Luke 2:25–35. Compare Nunc Dimittis ( def 1 ) .

4. a male given name: from a hebrew word meaning “harkening.”

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lol

soon your ability to jerry rig ideologies that suit your animus will no longer hold water on any level

then where oh where will you be?

up a paddle without a creek I guess

sounds painful

dunno tho, best look it up with a credible reference thereto

good luck finding one that hasn't been jerry rigged already in the hopes you won't notice in passing

argh
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You do know what peer review is right? Is the system university faculty and staff use to censor new ideas that threaten their careers and belief systems. Wake up!
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Excellent definition! And so painfully true.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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They have a few, imo understandable, demands!

When you are unable to provide the needed Material it is right that they delete it,
otherwise it will become a Playground for Dogmatards!

I understand very well that it makes the Writer angry
but he should learn to provide a better Research!
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Since when has science been about censorship? Get a clue! This is new scientific theory and it is getting censored!!!
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This was/ is not Scientific Theory,
just a scientific Idea!

For a Theory you need to use reliable and accepted scientific Sources and you need to prove your Theory in a Study which need a Peer-Review!
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You do know what peer review is right? Is the system university faculty and staff use to censor new ideas that threaten their careers and belief systems. Wake up!
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too bad they deem that to be a "one way street" however

ever notice that?

if it's heading in the direction they've already commandeered much applause and many awards for having "come up with" under their own power, then you can rest assured it will be highlighted in gold lettering and all in CAPS

can everyone spell: A G E N D A O R I E N T A T I O N?

and/or H Y P O C R I T E S?

that damnable hypocritic oath must be a ritual ordeal in some states

akin to the same level of dull care it demands in others

yawn
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yea, hypocrites, the lot of them. Oh yea, heres a nobel prize for new discovery, just as long as it confirms what we already believe. what a crock!
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i havent read the wiki.but i can show you for a fact that the universe is electric.
i can show you the one wiki that is currently incorrect.wiki ion plasma engine.they state that the mass of atoms is too large for magnetic fields to move the ions.bs.ions are magnetic.and can can easily be moved in a magnetic field.its called a tv or crt.this is to coverup ufo tech.
goto science forums .net home page and scroll down to speculative.then click on mercury plasma engine and see how professional scientist attempt to discredit me.happened last week and i showed patience.they even tried to make me look crazy and suicidle.tptb are desparate.
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Yeah I know. We have a uphill battle that's for sure.
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You do know what peer review is right? Is the system university faculty and staff use to censor new ideas that threaten their careers and belief systems. Wake up!
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Excellent definition! And so painfully true.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Painfully true. I've been experiencing the pain. They don't care about understanding anymore. We literally have to develop the sciences on our own now because the establishment has become more like religious institutions. With their big bang creationism and everything. It's just sickening.
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planet earth formed itself.
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You do know what peer review is right? Is the system university faculty and staff use to censor new ideas that threaten their careers and belief systems. Wake up!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428044


Excellent definition! And so painfully true.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Painfully true. I've been experiencing the pain. They don't care about understanding anymore. We literally have to develop the sciences on our own now because the establishment has become more like religious institutions. With their big bang creationism and everything. It's just sickening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428044


It really is religious 'scientism', and heretics are not endured lightly. We have only begun to discover what has been hidden or suppressed.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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planet earth formed itself.
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Exactly. Simple as hell.
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so many lies are taught to be truth in the established "sciences" that when the truth comes out it looks like some crazy asshole is making stuff up! It gets labeled as "pseudo science" and the discoverer becomes a "crank/crackpot".
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Look like he is hinting at electric universe without saying it.

Hope it works, no ideas should be censored.
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Goofy Thum
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Look like he is hinting at electric universe without saying it.

Hope it works, no ideas should be censored.
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Goofy Thum
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What gets me is that Mr. Oparin (references page) literally goes over the process with which stars cool, shrink and solidify to host life. That was back in 1924!!!!!
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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
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I just saved the entire page into Microsoft Word.

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Ditto, just in case!

Thanks for the spot OP! Love the ideas behind this.
It's all about the 'vibe'
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Delete: Pure fringe blither and OR. Zero mention in reliable independent sources. Eggregious abuse of sources. Fails all notability guidelines. Nothing worth merging or saving. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 10:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Delete. At first I thought this was a fringe theory which was no longer accepted but had at least been discussed in the academic literature, like panspermia or the static universe, and thus worth having an article. However, upon further investigation it seems that no reputable astronomer has proposed this theory. A search on ADS shows four publications which use the phrase, none of them peer-reviewed and all figuratively referring to other processes. The article relies on a) fringe sources on e.g. vixra, fake 'journals' and personal websites, b) cherry-picking facts from otherwise reliable sources which do not actually discuss this theory and c) doesn't mention that the theory has no current support among professional astronomers. Delete and remove all references in other articles. Modest Genius talk 11:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Delete. Pure nonsense disguised as science. Some bits have completely untrusted sources others have reliable sources grossly misinterpreted and most of the crazy stuff has no sources at all (obviously). Cheers. Gaba (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


Keep: It makes some solid observations about how are current model of the universe basically guesses to fill in the blanks of what we dont understand yet. Until Our current theory can be proved %100 accurate deleting alternate theories is counter productive to science. Leave the entry. Let people look for supporting evidence and then decide for themselves. Unsigned by
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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
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It is about time there was science with a common sense hint at truth.
Not all, but most planets, successful planets will become stars, they are all destined for stardom. Unsuccessful planets die and become rocks that will eventually be recycled to become matter of other objects.

Wonderful to see some truth.
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Or... flip it, so that stars 'get' to cool and become worlds full of life. That's also a big prize.

It's just a really nice article to get the creative juices flowing, and start thinking about alternatives that expand how we see our universe, rather than lock it in to a dead end with no hope or inspiration.
It's all about the 'vibe'
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Or... flip it, so that stars 'get' to cool and become worlds full of life. That's also a big prize.

It's just a really nice article to get the creative juices flowing, and start thinking about alternatives that expand how we see our universe, rather than lock it in to a dead end with no hope or inspiration.
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You sir are brilliant. I could give you $10000 dollars right now but my ass is broke.
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Delete: Pure fringe blither and OR. Zero mention in reliable independent sources. Eggregious abuse of sources. Fails all notability guidelines. Nothing worth merging or saving. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 10:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Delete. At first I thought this was a fringe theory which was no longer accepted but had at least been discussed in the academic literature, like panspermia or the static universe, and thus worth having an article. However, upon further investigation it seems that no reputable astronomer has proposed this theory. A search on ADS shows four publications which use the phrase, none of them peer-reviewed and all figuratively referring to other processes. The article relies on a) fringe sources on e.g. vixra, fake 'journals' and personal websites, b) cherry-picking facts from otherwise reliable sources which do not actually discuss this theory and c) doesn't mention that the theory has no current support among professional astronomers. Delete and remove all references in other articles. Modest Genius talk 11:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Delete. Pure nonsense disguised as science. Some bits have completely untrusted sources others have reliable sources grossly misinterpreted and most of the crazy stuff has no sources at all (obviously). Cheers. Gaba (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


Keep: It makes some solid observations about how are current model of the universe basically guesses to fill in the blanks of what we dont understand yet. Until Our current theory can be proved %100 accurate deleting alternate theories is counter productive to science. Leave the entry. Let people look for supporting evidence and then decide for themselves. Unsigned by
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whoa. cool shit.
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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
 Quoting: holy crap!!! 39904495


It is about time there was science with a common sense hint at truth.
Not all, but most planets, successful planets will become stars, they are all destined for stardom. Unsuccessful planets die and become rocks that will eventually be recycled to become matter of other objects.

Wonderful to see some truth.
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could be anything. I just wanted people to see this cause it would be unjust for it just to get deleted just because the establishment thinks its wrong. I mean look at Galileo? Wasn't he basically locked up for the rest of his life for thinking differently? Haven't we moved past that kind of herd mentality, to attack what is different? This theory is literally sourced and overviewed by THREE different people! It's not original research being pushed by one person!
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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
 Quoting: holy crap!!! 39904495


It is about time there was science with a common sense hint at truth.
Not all, but most planets, successful planets will become stars, they are all destined for stardom. Unsuccessful planets die and become rocks that will eventually be recycled to become matter of other objects.

Wonderful to see some truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41658881

could be anything. I just wanted people to see this cause it would be unjust for it just to get deleted just because the establishment thinks its wrong. I mean look at Galileo? Wasn't he basically locked up for the rest of his life for thinking differently? Haven't we moved past that kind of herd mentality, to attack what is different? This theory is literally sourced and overviewed by THREE different people! It's not original research being pushed by one person!
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It could be anything... no, it is actually the truth.
I was shown this truth by our wonderful celestial caretakers nearly 20 years ago.
Planets that ascend in oscillation become less dense, they refine their density and as they do they take on more light and eventually become stars. When a planet looses oscillation it becomes more dense, it goes from star to planet. All stars and planets host life of varying degrees of density, once a planet becomes too low in oscillation it becomes too dense to support life and dies. Although nothing is really dead, it just transmutes.
Our planet has been less dense and higher in light, but through the aiding of mankind it has 'fallen', it has descended into a more dense world, it is actually an ascending planet at the moment, it is taking on more light. It will eventually loose its density and become a blazing bright star as she is intended to.

So you see, it is the truth.
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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
 Quoting: holy crap!!! 39904495


It is about time there was science with a common sense hint at truth.
Not all, but most planets, successful planets will become stars, they are all destined for stardom. Unsuccessful planets die and become rocks that will eventually be recycled to become matter of other objects.

Wonderful to see some truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41658881

could be anything. I just wanted people to see this cause it would be unjust for it just to get deleted just because the establishment thinks its wrong. I mean look at Galileo? Wasn't he basically locked up for the rest of his life for thinking differently? Haven't we moved past that kind of herd mentality, to attack what is different? This theory is literally sourced and overviewed by THREE different people! It's not original research being pushed by one person!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39904495


It could be anything... no, it is actually the truth.
I was shown this truth by our wonderful celestial caretakers nearly 20 years ago.
Planets that ascend in oscillation become less dense, they refine their density and as they do they take on more light and eventually become stars. When a planet looses oscillation it becomes more dense, it goes from star to planet. All stars and planets host life of varying degrees of density, once a planet becomes too low in oscillation it becomes too dense to support life and dies. Although nothing is really dead, it just transmutes.
Our planet has been less dense and higher in light, but through the aiding of mankind it has 'fallen', it has descended into a more dense world, it is actually an ascending planet at the moment, it is taking on more light. It will eventually loose its density and become a blazing bright star as she is intended to.

So you see, it is the truth.
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I just love new ideas, and I think its crap how the establishment censors them using wikipedia. People can decide for themselves what makes sense and what doesn't we don't need a big brother making decisions for us, telling us what to believe and think! Right?
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SURE DOES answer many hypothesis, theories and assumptions of the 'professors, while of course postulating a few of it's own.

All in all, MUCH more comprehensive than what I learned in astronomy class !

Let's see HOW they try to knock it apart, without the use of supposition, lol.

Eagle
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SURE DOES answer many hypothesis, theories and assumptions of the 'professors, while of course postulating a few of it's own.

All in all, MUCH more comprehensive than what I learned in astronomy class !

Let's see HOW they try to knock it apart, without the use of supposition, lol.

Eagle
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Check out the academic smack talk in the comments.
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I heard the Freemasons worship Saturn as our once former and best sun! So if that is true then a know planet today was once a brazing sun.
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They have a few, imo understandable, demands!

When you are unable to provide the needed Material it is right that they delete it,
otherwise it will become a Playground for Dogmatards!

I understand very well that it makes the Writer angry
but he should learn to provide a better Research!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41630433


Since when has science been about censorship? Get a clue! This is new scientific theory and it is getting censored!!!
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This was/ is not Scientific Theory,
just a scientific Idea!

For a Theory you need to use reliable and accepted scientific Sources and you need to prove your Theory in a Study which need a Peer-Review!
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You do know what peer review is right? Is the system university faculty and staff use to censor new ideas that threaten their careers and belief systems. Wake up!
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^This^
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I heard the Freemasons worship Saturn as our once former and best sun! So if that is true then a know planet today was once a brazing sun.
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Yeah, that IS interesting. Plus Clarkes ideas about Jupiter in 2001.

- Europa, attempt no landing there....
It's all about the 'vibe'
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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
 Quoting: holy crap!!! 39904495


It is about time there was science with a common sense hint at truth.
Not all, but most planets, successful planets will become stars, they are all destined for stardom. Unsuccessful planets die and become rocks that will eventually be recycled to become matter of other objects.

Wonderful to see some truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41658881

could be anything. I just wanted people to see this cause it would be unjust for it just to get deleted just because the establishment thinks its wrong. I mean look at Galileo? Wasn't he basically locked up for the rest of his life for thinking differently? Haven't we moved past that kind of herd mentality, to attack what is different? This theory is literally sourced and overviewed by THREE different people! It's not original research being pushed by one person!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39904495


It could be anything... no, it is actually the truth.
I was shown this truth by our wonderful celestial caretakers nearly 20 years ago.
Planets that ascend in oscillation become less dense, they refine their density and as they do they take on more light and eventually become stars. When a planet looses oscillation it becomes more dense, it goes from star to planet. All stars and planets host life of varying degrees of density, once a planet becomes too low in oscillation it becomes too dense to support life and dies. Although nothing is really dead, it just transmutes.
Our planet has been less dense and higher in light, but through the aiding of mankind it has 'fallen', it has descended into a more dense world, it is actually an ascending planet at the moment, it is taking on more light. It will eventually loose its density and become a blazing bright star as she is intended to.

So you see, it is the truth.
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somehow the oscillation-think is interesting :)
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I heard the Freemasons worship Saturn as our once former and best sun! So if that is true then a know planet today was once a brazing sun.
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Yeah, that IS interesting. Plus Clarkes ideas about Jupiter in 2001.

- Europa, attempt no landing there....
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have to spin my head around that one to ... for later ...
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Its a theory of planet/earth formation!!!! Read immediately before it gets deleted!!!
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At this moment, it is still there but there is a note saying

"This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.
Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page."

So it's still there but you can give your thoughts about the deletion; I didn't check whether the article was changed meanwhile however.
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I heard the Freemasons worship Saturn as our once former and best sun! So if that is true then a know planet today was once a brazing sun.
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It's not exactly like this.

In "Outline of Occult Science" Rudolf Steiner describes the origins of our planet. He mentions three earlier stages of "incarnation" of our planet (so to speak) which he calls

1. Old Saturn (or sometimes simply "Saturn" so don't confuse this former configuration of our solar system with today's planet Saturn);

2. Old Sun

3. Old Moon

4. and finally Earth which is the planet humanity is evolving on today.

Each of these 4 stages is a cosmic incarnation if you wish of what is today our planet Earth. Old Saturn i.e. was not material at all but composed uniquely of warmt (heat, or fire). Hard to visualize, but laws of "nature" change is there is no nature there as we know it. Spiritual beings evolved and are evolving during each of these 4 stages as they do today on our planet Earth as well (only here humanity as we know ourselves is "The" humanity).

Our Moon, according to Steiner, separated from Earth to form a separate heavenly body, early in Earth's existence as a material planet.

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