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Self Proclaimed Progressives/Liberals....Please Define What "Progress" Means To You.

 
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Self Proclaimed Progressives/Liberals....Please Define What "Progress" Means To You.
Just as the title states, define the term "Progress" in relation to politics and where you want to see this country go..
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One 'progresses' from owning nothing and earning nothing to owning what someone else worked for and had taken from them.
You 'progress' from being a lazy nothing to master an lord over your betters.
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One 'progresses' from owning nothing and earning nothing to owning what someone else worked for and had taken from them.
You 'progress' from being a lazy nothing to master an lord over your betters.
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Can you elaborate, I don't quite get what you mean..
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Progressive believe that there is some sort of utopian state where the central govt supplies all the basic needs, food, housing, medical etc etc and all the happy sheeples are free to think up great things and be beautiful unique snow flakes that are unburdened by such mundane responsibilities.

Frankly IMO it's retarded...the Libertarians aren't far behind while being on the other end of the political/ideological spectrum. Both utopian scenarios rely on either the govt or fellow fucktarded humans to more or less be benevolent and always do what's "right".

Which of course NEVER happens in real life EVER.
The Govt becomes drunk and paranoid with power and becomes more and more oppressive. Fellow humans will always exploit conditions of zero control to benefit themselves and their own, see the "tragedy of the commons".

Pretty basic traits of human nature which have borne out to be true for thousands of years....and yet...the utopian fantasies are repackaged and sold again and again.
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is the opposite of Congress, of course. Anything Congress does stalls Progress.
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Progressive believe that there is some sort of utopian state where the central govt supplies all the basic needs, food, housing, medical etc etc and all the happy sheeples are free to think up great things and be beautiful unique snow flakes that are unburdened by such mundane responsibilities.

Frankly IMO it's retarded...the Libertarians aren't far behind while being on the other end of the political/ideological spectrum. Both utopian scenarios rely on either the govt or fellow fucktarded humans to more or less be benevolent and always do what's "right".

Which of course NEVER happens in real life EVER.
The Govt becomes drunk and paranoid with power and becomes more and more oppressive. Fellow humans will always exploit conditions of zero control to benefit themselves and their own, see the "tragedy of the commons".

Pretty basic traits of human nature which have borne out to be true for thousands of years....and yet...the utopian fantasies are repackaged and sold again and again.
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I agree, yet I happen to know you are not a progressive...lol.

I want to know what they think progress means.

Your definition is what I believe it means also...but maybe they are confused, or I/we misunderstand?
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Here is a handful of liberal/progressive causes that were vehemently opposed by right-wingers and now considered inalienable rights: racial equality (equal access to schools, voting, etc.), equal pay for women, voting rights for women, inter-racial marriage, Social Security, Medicare, etc.

This pretty much sums up the concept of progressive.
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Here is a handful of liberal/progressive causes that were vehemently opposed by right-wingers and now considered inalienable rights: racial equality (equal access to schools, voting, etc.), equal pay for women, voting rights for women, inter-racial marriage, Social Security, Medicare, etc.

This pretty much sums up the concept of progressive.
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These are things that happened in the past...what about the future?

What is future progress to you?
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Progressive believe that there is some sort of utopian state where the central govt supplies all the basic needs, food, housing, medical etc etc and all the happy sheeples are free to think up great things and be beautiful unique snow flakes that are unburdened by such mundane responsibilities.

Frankly IMO it's retarded...the Libertarians aren't far behind while being on the other end of the political/ideological spectrum. Both utopian scenarios rely on either the govt or fellow fucktarded humans to more or less be benevolent and always do what's "right".

Which of course NEVER happens in real life EVER.
The Govt becomes drunk and paranoid with power and becomes more and more oppressive. Fellow humans will always exploit conditions of zero control to benefit themselves and their own, see the "tragedy of the commons".

Pretty basic traits of human nature which have borne out to be true for thousands of years....and yet...the utopian fantasies are repackaged and sold again and again.
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popcorn
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They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
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popcorn
 Quoting: Oyster


They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
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I'm seeing that.

:titbump:
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popcorn
 Quoting: Oyster


They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
 Quoting: *Evan


I'm seeing that.

titbump
 Quoting: Oyster


I'm not even trying to be facetious....I really want to know if I have it wrong...and what they consider "progress"
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popcorn
 Quoting: Oyster


They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
 Quoting: *Evan


I'm seeing that.


 Quoting: Oyster


I'm not even trying to be facetious....I really want to know if I have it wrong...and what they consider "progress"
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well I would imagine that it means different things to different people.
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They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
 Quoting: *Evan


I'm seeing that.


 Quoting: Oyster


I'm not even trying to be facetious....I really want to know if I have it wrong...and what they consider "progress"
 Quoting: *Evan


well I would imagine that it means different things to different people.
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Yea...which is what I want to discuss...

Does it mean more laws?

Does it mean more government?

Does it mean less government?

Does it mean more freedom?

Does it mean less freedom?

Lets figure this out.
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popcorn
 Quoting: Oyster


They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
 Quoting: *Evan


It's because they don't think for themselves. Someone at the DNC headquarters is writing the talking points as we speak. They will be here soon.

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"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22

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Progress means white people dead or in chains
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popcorn
 Quoting: Oyster


They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
 Quoting: *Evan


It's because they don't think for themselves. Someone at the DNC headquarters is writing the talking points as we speak. They will be here soon.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


chuckle
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Progress means white people dead or in chains
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As much as I wanted to laugh at that comment...I think there are some who truly believe that.
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For the future? Expansion and continuation of all those progressive breakthroughs I mentioned earlier, along with equal access to quality healthcare, marriage equality, hopefully drawing down some of our useless, costly and obsolete military commitments/troops in Western Europe (relics of the Cold War with the Soviets) so we can pay down our national dept, fund improvements in infrastructure and education, etc.

So what's your vision of an improved future? Going back to the past?
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They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
 Quoting: *Evan


It's because they don't think for themselves. Someone at the DNC headquarters is writing the talking points as we speak. They will be here soon.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


chuckle
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Maybe some of us have other things to do besides hang out constantly on this f-d up forum. Yeah, I'm sure the DNC is very interested in what goes on at GLP. They monitor it 24/7
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They want equal opportunity to become equal outcome.

They fail to account for the reality of human nature.
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self proclaimed progressive liberal here

progress means free weed and like drone attack all that old crap like the pyramids and european castles and buckingham palace

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They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
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It's because they don't think for themselves. Someone at the DNC headquarters is writing the talking points as we speak. They will be here soon.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


chuckle
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Maybe some of us have other things to do besides hang out constantly on this f-d up forum. Yeah, I'm sure the DNC is very interested in what goes on at GLP. They monitor it 24/7
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lol don't get pissy.
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They want equal opportunity to become equal outcome.

They fail to account for the reality of human nature.
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That I believe is one of their biggest mistakes.
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They don't feel like coming out and playing today...
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It's because they don't think for themselves. Someone at the DNC headquarters is writing the talking points as we speak. They will be here soon.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


chuckle
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Maybe some of us have other things to do besides hang out constantly on this f-d up forum. Yeah, I'm sure the DNC is very interested in what goes on at GLP. They monitor it 24/7
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Nice proxy
"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."

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It's because they don't think for themselves. Someone at the DNC headquarters is writing the talking points as we speak. They will be here soon.
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chuckle
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Maybe some of us have other things to do besides hang out constantly on this f-d up forum. Yeah, I'm sure the DNC is very interested in what goes on at GLP. They monitor it 24/7
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Nice proxy
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That always gives em away
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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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self proclaimed progressive liberal here

progress means free weed and like drone attack all that old crap like the pyramids and european castles and buckingham palace


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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?

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