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Self Proclaimed Progressives/Liberals....Please Define What "Progress" Means To You.

 
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it also means all non US citizens call US citizens "sir"

and when we say jump they relpy "how high"

and slap bald putin boy around and free pussy riot gals cause they are lesbos with pussies and that is ok with me

and they %$%$'ed with the estab;lished church

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Maybe some of us have other things to do besides hang out constantly on this f-d up forum. Yeah, I'm sure the DNC is very interested in what goes on at GLP. They monitor it 24/7
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Nice proxy
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That always gives em away
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What gives em away? An IQ that's more than double-digits? Logic? I can't believe I actually came back to this place for shits and giggles and ended up engaged in this thread. lol
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it also means all non US citizens call US citizens "sir"

and when we say jump they relpy "how high"

and slap bald putin boy around and free pussy riot gals cause they are lesbos with pussies and that is ok with me

and they %$%$'ed with the estab;lished church

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Who could possibly argue with an intellect like that? Brilliantly stated, Einstein! Scathing sarcasm.
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Maybe some of us have other things to do besides hang out constantly on this f-d up forum. Yeah, I'm sure the DNC is very interested in what goes on at GLP. They monitor it 24/7
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Nice proxy
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That always gives em away
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What gives em away? An IQ that's more than double-digits? Logic? I can't believe I actually came back to this place for shits and giggles and ended up engaged in this thread. lol
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No, we were clearly talking about the proxy.....lol mr. high IQ logician can't read a simple post.
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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?
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The Bill of Rights....
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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?
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The Bill of Rights....
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Nice proxy
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That always gives em away
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What gives em away? An IQ that's more than double-digits? Logic? I can't believe I actually came back to this place for shits and giggles and ended up engaged in this thread. lol
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No, we were clearly talking about the proxy.....lol mr. high IQ logician can't read a simple post.
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I'm truly humbled. This forum is simply beyond me.
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Who could possibly argue with an intellect like that? Brilliantly stated, Einstein! Scathing sarcasm

see

non progressive liberals are mean

and write mean things to strangers on message boards

which calls for one thing

waterboard, drone attack, and their children call US citizens sir

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That always gives em away
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What gives em away? An IQ that's more than double-digits? Logic? I can't believe I actually came back to this place for shits and giggles and ended up engaged in this thread. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31854846


No, we were clearly talking about the proxy.....lol mr. high IQ logician can't read a simple post.
 Quoting: *Evan


I'm truly humbled. This forum is simply beyond me.
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Could you teach me potato, please?

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And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22
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That always gives em away
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What gives em away? An IQ that's more than double-digits? Logic? I can't believe I actually came back to this place for shits and giggles and ended up engaged in this thread. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31854846


No, we were clearly talking about the proxy.....lol mr. high IQ logician can't read a simple post.
 Quoting: *Evan


I'm truly humbled. This forum is simply beyond me.
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I started this thread to get your point of view, your understanding of progress...you are the one that got all pissy.

1dunno1

We are offered an equal opportunity not equal results, progressives try and guarantee equal results, which by human nature, always ruins the system. It's why that ideology has failed countless times throughout human history.

Why can't you guys get that? Why can't you understand that you can't tax and spend your way into prosperity?
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The only way humans will make any real progress is if we get rid of both Money and Government.

We need to be free to explore the world, learn as much as we can about everything, and be willing to try new things.
A passion must be accompany'd with some false judgment. in order to its being unreasonable; and even then `tis not the passion, properly speaking, which is unreasonable, but the judgment. (Hume)
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Just as the title states, define the term "Progress" in relation to politics and where you want to see this country go..
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They are "Regressive" liberals. A society of decay, depravity, subversion, and decadence.
The bolshevik jews are delighted at the decay, divide, and conquer that is unfolding.
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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?
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you know.............the old America, the one that stole the land from the indians and genocided them all, the ones that cling to that repressive stone-age sky god myth, the one that exploited brown and black and yellow people all over the world - I mean c'mon I've learned all about this in college and stuff - it's our time man we have just got to go................because were, well just evil!
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Come on libtards. Give it up. The definition of the word "progress" is one of action or motion from one place to another. To progress is to go from one point you don't want to be to another point that you do. So, what is your destination?
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?
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you know.............the old America, the one that stole the land from the indians and genocided them all, the ones that cling to that repressive stone-age sky god myth, the one that exploited brown and black and yellow people all over the world - I mean c'mon I've learned all about this in college and stuff - it's our time man we have just got to go................because were, well just evil!
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You mean to get rid of the America that took it's own path? That declared all men equal under god? That created more wealth and prosperity than any other nation ever to be on earth? The America that leads the world in charitable donations? The america that was once a shining beacon of freedom and hope to many many generations of foreigners?

You think we should conform to what the rest of the world has been doing for thousands of yrs? Equally sharing poverty?
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Communism is winning.
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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?
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you know.............the old America, the one that stole the land from the indians and genocided them all, the ones that cling to that repressive stone-age sky god myth, the one that exploited brown and black and yellow people all over the world - I mean c'mon I've learned all about this in college and stuff - it's our time man we have just got to go................because were, well just evil!
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You mean to get rid of the America that took it's own path? That declared all men equal under god? That created more wealth and prosperity than any other nation ever to be on earth? The America that leads the world in charitable donations? The america that was once a shining beacon of freedom and hope to many many generations of foreigners?

You think we should conform to what the rest of the world has been doing for thousands of yrs? Equally sharing poverty?
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Common people I mean we all want progress don't we? - y'know to a better kinder and more gentle world, without all the 'bitter clingers' just getting in the way of everything.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?
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you know.............the old America, the one that stole the land from the indians and genocided them all, the ones that cling to that repressive stone-age sky god myth, the one that exploited brown and black and yellow people all over the world - I mean c'mon I've learned all about this in college and stuff - it's our time man we have just got to go................because were, well just evil!
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You mean to get rid of the America that took it's own path? That declared all men equal under god? That created more wealth and prosperity than any other nation ever to be on earth? The America that leads the world in charitable donations? The america that was once a shining beacon of freedom and hope to many many generations of foreigners?

You think we should conform to what the rest of the world has been doing for thousands of yrs? Equally sharing poverty?

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I mean we are just a few % of the worlds population but we are so greedy we use like 50% of it's resources - I mean that's just not fair is it! - so we need to make amends and ask them to forgive us - maybe Obama could go on a world-wide apology and reparations tour.
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Please explain what you mean. What are the "clingers" in the way of changing?
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you know.............the old America, the one that stole the land from the indians and genocided them all, the ones that cling to that repressive stone-age sky god myth, the one that exploited brown and black and yellow people all over the world - I mean c'mon I've learned all about this in college and stuff - it's our time man we have just got to go................because were, well just evil!
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You mean to get rid of the America that took it's own path? That declared all men equal under god? That created more wealth and prosperity than any other nation ever to be on earth? The America that leads the world in charitable donations? The america that was once a shining beacon of freedom and hope to many many generations of foreigners?

You think we should conform to what the rest of the world has been doing for thousands of yrs? Equally sharing poverty?

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I mean we are just a few % of the worlds population but we are so greedy we use like 50% of it's resources - I mean that's just not fair is it! - so we need to make amends and ask them to forgive us - maybe Obama could go on a world-wide apology and reparations tour.
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hmmm...now I can't tell if you're being sacrcastic...or are really this bushtard
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For the future? Expansion and continuation of all those progressive breakthroughs I mentioned earlier, along with equal access to quality healthcare, marriage equality, hopefully drawing down some of our useless, costly and obsolete military commitments/troops in Western Europe (relics of the Cold War with the Soviets) so we can pay down our national dept, fund improvements in infrastructure and education, etc.

So what's your vision of an improved future? Going back to the past?
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1. equal quality access to healthcare everyone has the same access to healthcare. and there were already programs in place for those who couldn't afford health insurance. obamacare has solved NONE of your problems. health care is about to get really expensive.

2. marriage equality personally I have no problem with gays getting married, however this is a decision best left to the states...just as it is now. problem solved.

3. drawing down some of our useless not sure what you mean, maybe you can explain better

4. costly military commitments i agree we shouldn't have as many men overseas on bases in foreign countries, however believe it or not....those men being placed where they are make us more responsive (whether we should be responding or not is a different discussion. our national debt was created by over-spending in our government which is the hallmark of the democratic party, but i will concede that the GOP has contributed quite a bit lately.

5. infrastructure if there is anything that i would ever support spending massive amounts of money on it's infrastructure.

6. education education is handled on the state and local levels, the feds only make it more expensive.

no body is advocating "going back to the past", that argument is non-sense. there are certain moral traditions that people don't want to change but that doesn't mean living in the 1950s.
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For the future? Expansion and continuation of all those progressive breakthroughs I mentioned earlier, along with equal access to quality healthcare, marriage equality, hopefully drawing down some of our useless, costly and obsolete military commitments/troops in Western Europe (relics of the Cold War with the Soviets) so we can pay down our national dept, fund improvements in infrastructure and education, etc.

So what's your vision of an improved future? Going back to the past?
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1. equal quality access to healthcare everyone has the same access to healthcare. and there were already programs in place for those who couldn't afford health insurance. obamacare has solved NONE of your problems. health care is about to get really expensive.

2. marriage equality personally I have no problem with gays getting married, however this is a decision best left to the states...just as it is now. problem solved.

3. drawing down some of our useless not sure what you mean, maybe you can explain better

4. costly military commitments i agree we shouldn't have as many men overseas on bases in foreign countries, however believe it or not....those men being placed where they are make us more responsive (whether we should be responding or not is a different discussion. our national debt was created by over-spending in our government which is the hallmark of the democratic party, but i will concede that the GOP has contributed quite a bit lately.

5. infrastructure if there is anything that i would ever support spending massive amounts of money on it's infrastructure.

6. education education is handled on the state and local levels, the feds only make it more expensive.

no body is advocating "going back to the past", that argument is non-sense. there are certain moral traditions that people don't want to change but that doesn't mean living in the 1950s.
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Very well said bud.
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What gives em away? An IQ that's more than double-digits? Logic? I can't believe I actually came back to this place for shits and giggles and ended up engaged in this thread. lol
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No, we were clearly talking about the proxy.....lol mr. high IQ logician can't read a simple post.
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I'm truly humbled. This forum is simply beyond me.
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I started this thread to get your point of view, your understanding of progress...you are the one that got all pissy.

1dunno1

We are offered an equal opportunity not equal results, progressives try and guarantee equal results, which by human nature, always ruins the system. It's why that ideology has failed countless times throughout human history.

Why can't you guys get that? Why can't you understand that you can't tax and spend your way into prosperity?
 Quoting: *Evan


Without taxes, how do you propose maintaining highway systems? Law enforcement? Military? How have progressives failed? So we all go back to the good old days of forced child labor, no food or water standards, slavery? How do we fix our problems and maintain what works?

Again, I'm genuinely interested in your viewpoint, but so far it's incomplete. Without taxing and spending, how do we support a civil society? I mean, seriously and without implying liberals want to kill white people, support terrorists or that sort of idiocy.
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you know.............the old America, the one that stole the land from the indians and genocided them all, the ones that cling to that repressive stone-age sky god myth, the one that exploited brown and black and yellow people all over the world - I mean c'mon I've learned all about this in college and stuff - it's our time man we have just got to go................because were, well just evil!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13616135


You mean to get rid of the America that took it's own path? That declared all men equal under god? That created more wealth and prosperity than any other nation ever to be on earth? The America that leads the world in charitable donations? The america that was once a shining beacon of freedom and hope to many many generations of foreigners?

You think we should conform to what the rest of the world has been doing for thousands of yrs? Equally sharing poverty?

 Quoting: *Evan


I mean we are just a few % of the worlds population but we are so greedy we use like 50% of it's resources - I mean that's just not fair is it! - so we need to make amends and ask them to forgive us - maybe Obama could go on a world-wide apology and reparations tour.
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hmmm...now I can't tell if you're being sacrcastic...or are really this bushtard
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I mean who really needs all this 'stuff' big fancy houses and cars all that owning stuff- we are all going to have to live more sustainably if we want a fairer world, like y'know they do in China - we could all live in those nice space saving tower blocks, that the gov would provide - and everyone would have a job at the local gov factories, so no need to drive or travel anywhere - now that would be real progress wouldn't it.
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No, we were clearly talking about the proxy.....lol mr. high IQ logician can't read a simple post.
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I'm truly humbled. This forum is simply beyond me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31854846


I started this thread to get your point of view, your understanding of progress...you are the one that got all pissy.

1dunno1

We are offered an equal opportunity not equal results, progressives try and guarantee equal results, which by human nature, always ruins the system. It's why that ideology has failed countless times throughout human history.

Why can't you guys get that? Why can't you understand that you can't tax and spend your way into prosperity?
 Quoting: *Evan


Without taxes, how do you propose maintaining highway systems? Law enforcement? Military? How have progressives failed? So we all go back to the good old days of forced child labor, no food or water standards, slavery? How do we fix our problems and maintain what works?

Again, I'm genuinely interested in your viewpoint, but so far it's incomplete. Without taxing and spending, how do we support a civil society? I mean, seriously and without implying liberals want to kill white people, support terrorists or that sort of idiocy.
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I didn't mean no taxes...I meant you cannot tax and spend all our problems away.

My stance is very very simple. Free market capitalism with a constitutional sized government. The governments job is to protect our life, liberty and property.

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You mean to get rid of the America that took it's own path? That declared all men equal under god? That created more wealth and prosperity than any other nation ever to be on earth? The America that leads the world in charitable donations? The america that was once a shining beacon of freedom and hope to many many generations of foreigners?

You think we should conform to what the rest of the world has been doing for thousands of yrs? Equally sharing poverty?

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I mean we are just a few % of the worlds population but we are so greedy we use like 50% of it's resources - I mean that's just not fair is it! - so we need to make amends and ask them to forgive us - maybe Obama could go on a world-wide apology and reparations tour.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13616135


hmmm...now I can't tell if you're being sacrcastic...or are really this bushtard
 Quoting: *Evan


I mean who really needs all this 'stuff' big fancy houses and cars all that owning stuff- we are all going to have to live more sustainably if we want a fairer world, like y'know they do in China - we could all live in those nice space saving tower blocks, that the gov would provide - and everyone would have a job at the local gov factories, so no need to drive or travel anywhere - now that would be real progress wouldn't it.
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lol, ok, now I see.

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I have often considered myself progressive. Here are my views:

1)legalize...pot,drugs,prostitution,etc...let there be 'survival of the fittest' so to speak. Include drug treatment programs that aren't 12 step programs, but educate those so that they will want quit.

2) more tax fairness....you can't fairly tax anyone below the poverty level, and you cant let millionaires and billionaires get away without paying taxes.

3) Help small business grow while regulating the sh*t out of big business to reduce pollution, unfair wages, killing ma+pa businesses, etc, etc.

4) Reduce military spending and promote peace instead of war.

5) Abolish the IRS. Instead of income tax, we need a national sales tax...this will allow those who are trying to survive to not pay taxes on necessities (food, water, utilities) while mofos who want to buy ferarri's and spinners and stupid expensive materialistic crap have to basically donate to help the country out. There is too much in this idea to explain here.

6) complete government transparency...this means Area51, CIA, NSA, etc has to report everything to the 3 branches (with the whole national security thing, some things can be left behind those doors, but much of it should be public) which goes to number 7 to assure this works....

7)include 1-2 term limits for ALL 3 branches, every position to reduce corruption...including the Judges.

8) ban lobbying & election contributions from all for-profit companies.
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No, we were clearly talking about the proxy.....lol mr. high IQ logician can't read a simple post.
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I'm truly humbled. This forum is simply beyond me.
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I started this thread to get your point of view, your understanding of progress...you are the one that got all pissy.

1dunno1

We are offered an equal opportunity not equal results, progressives try and guarantee equal results, which by human nature, always ruins the system. It's why that ideology has failed countless times throughout human history.

Why can't you guys get that? Why can't you understand that you can't tax and spend your way into prosperity?
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Without taxes, how do you propose maintaining highway systems? Law enforcement? Military? How have progressives failed? So we all go back to the good old days of forced child labor, no food or water standards, slavery? How do we fix our problems and maintain what works?

Again, I'm genuinely interested in your viewpoint, but so far it's incomplete. Without taxing and spending, how do we support a civil society? I mean, seriously and without implying liberals want to kill white people, support terrorists or that sort of idiocy.
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Social entitlement programs are where the largest chunk of spending goes and they have nothing whatsoever to do with paving highways or law enforcement or military. I don’t mind my taxes going to fund the basic functions of government that the constitution authorized and envisioned. It is so far beyond that now it is collapsing society as a whole.

There was no such thing as social security or welfare before FDR and there was no such thing as Medicare or Medicaid before LBJ. What has happened since those programs began is the degeneration of work ethics and increasing dependents on government. Now as the baby boom generation retires, the unsustainable explosion of debt to support those systems Is crushing us. No amount of taxes can indefinitely support a population that has decided it doesn’t have to provide for itself.
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Re: Self Proclaimed Progressives/Liberals....Please Define What "Progress" Means To You.
I have often considered myself progressive. Here are my views:

1)legalize...pot,drugs,prostitution,etc...let there be 'survival of the fittest' so to speak. Include drug treatment programs that aren't 12 step programs, but educate those so that they will want quit.

2) more tax fairness....you can't fairly tax anyone below the poverty level, and you cant let millionaires and billionaires get away without paying taxes.

3) Help small business grow while regulating the sh*t out of big business to reduce pollution, unfair wages, killing ma+pa businesses, etc, etc.

4) Reduce military spending and promote peace instead of war.

5) Abolish the IRS. Instead of income tax, we need a national sales tax...this will allow those who are trying to survive to not pay taxes on necessities (food, water, utilities) while mofos who want to buy ferarri's and spinners and stupid expensive materialistic crap have to basically donate to help the country out. There is too much in this idea to explain here.

6) complete government transparency...this means Area51, CIA, NSA, etc has to report everything to the 3 branches (with the whole national security thing, some things can be left behind those doors, but much of it should be public) which goes to number 7 to assure this works....

7)include 1-2 term limits for ALL 3 branches, every position to reduce corruption...including the Judges.

8) ban lobbying & election contributions from all for-profit companies.
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Nothing about what you wrote is progressive. Your views seem to be mostly in line with libertarians.
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Re: Self Proclaimed Progressives/Liberals....Please Define What "Progress" Means To You.
I think of myself as liberal. I hope for a world where everyone is treated equally and with respect. Where I am able to disagree with others, but know that we all want to better our lives, we just don't agree on how to get there. I want everyone to have enough food, a roof over there heads, and someone to love who loves them back. The term liberal means many different things. I believe in evolution and in god. I believe that the goverment can and should be what we make it.
I do not believe in more taxes, but at the same time our goverment has spent itself into such a hole that we must start cutting back and prepare for paying our current debts. We need to stop labeling our differences and start looking at how we are all the same.
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Re: Self Proclaimed Progressives/Liberals....Please Define What "Progress" Means To You.
I have often considered myself progressive. Here are my views:

1)legalize...pot,drugs,prostitution,etc...let there be 'survival of the fittest' so to speak. Include drug treatment programs that aren't 12 step programs, but educate those so that they will want quit.

2) more tax fairness....you can't fairly tax anyone below the poverty level, and you cant let millionaires and billionaires get away without paying taxes.

3) Help small business grow while regulating the sh*t out of big business to reduce pollution, unfair wages, killing ma+pa businesses, etc, etc.

4) Reduce military spending and promote peace instead of war.

5) Abolish the IRS. Instead of income tax, we need a national sales tax...this will allow those who are trying to survive to not pay taxes on necessities (food, water, utilities) while mofos who want to buy ferarri's and spinners and stupid expensive materialistic crap have to basically donate to help the country out. There is too much in this idea to explain here.

6) complete government transparency...this means Area51, CIA, NSA, etc has to report everything to the 3 branches (with the whole national security thing, some things can be left behind those doors, but much of it should be public) which goes to number 7 to assure this works....

7)include 1-2 term limits for ALL 3 branches, every position to reduce corruption...including the Judges.

8) ban lobbying & election contributions from all for-profit companies.
 Quoting: phillk6751


Nothing about what you wrote is progressive. Your views seem to be mostly in line with libertarians.
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I think its progressive from the true meaning of the word...like libertarian...but too many mainstream libertarianism appears racist and backwards.

I am personally disgusted with gay men however I believe they are entitled to the legal benefits, but not as far as to force churches to marry them.

I also think 'entitlement programs' have a balance. They are mostly meant for mentally/physically disabled, and a bridge for people who lost their jobs, not for people to be lazy and live off them for an extended period of time, yet you cant yank them when people aren't hiring either.

I completely agree with the unadulterated 2nd amendment, however hunting 'for sport' I don't exactly agree with either....in other words, eat the meat and/or use the fur/skin/etc or don't kill it (with exception of defense and population control[coyote, etc])

I think progress means more or less working towards true equality and fairness to all people, and away from those who think that because they create so many jobs that they get an endless check book to buy 5 houses and 10 cars, etc without giving back a reasonable amount to those less fortunate(think wall mart CEO vs Bill Gates[even though i don't like him either].

I do also think everyone should get health benefits, and healthcare should be more affordable....i think eliminating the middle-men can reduce costs, but the idea of death panels sucks, however somehow a cost-benefit analysis should always be weighed on healthcare....like a 90yo who has cancer not expected to survive long after treatment isn't really as beneficial as trying it on a 14 year old and hoping for the best. Honestly if you are older than the average life expectancy don't expect to be handed a $100,000 treatment to allow you to live for maybe another year or two, unless you can dish it out of pocket or sell your belongings or something as such, especially if the solution to healthcare is 'socialized'