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Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?

 
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Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
Hell is the most grotesques evil concept invented by the mind of man

If you think hell is real and like it then maybe you need to see a shrink

hell is fiction, it should not be taught

it is a form of psychological terror
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
if you take hell out of christianity then what need is their of a savior?

eh?

jesus can only exist as the savior god so long as you first have a judgemental father god

what a crazy religion and why is it that its still around?

are people retarded?
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if you take hell out of christianity then what need is their of a savior?
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Because humans are defective. Contrary to widespread belief, "salvation" is not about avoiding some scary afterlife - it's about becoming Christlike. Christians largely don't grasp that there are way more important things than where you end up.
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
if you take hell out of christianity then what need is their of a savior?
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Because humans are defective. Contrary to widespread belief, "salvation" is not about avoiding some scary afterlife - it's about becoming Christlike. Christians largely don't grasp that there are way more important things than where you end up.
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why is christlike good? he never defended himself even though he had god power

the good who couldn't save himself from mere mortals

christ is a good role model for sheep being led to a slaughter
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
Hell is the most grotesques evil concept invented by the mind of man

If you think hell is real and like it then maybe you need to see a shrink

hell is fiction, it should not be taught

it is a form of psychological terror
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Why the dislike of freedom of religion? Do you dislike all forms of freedom?


Here is a great article on the nature and duration of hell.
[link to www.christiandefense.org]
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
Sooooooooooooo, you have a problem with
the Creator of the Universe, hmmm?

ISAIAH 55
6 Seek ye the Lord while he may be found,
call ye upon him while he is near:

7 Let the wicked forsake his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
and let him return unto the Lord,
and he will have mercy upon him;
and to our God,
for he will abundantly pardon.

8 FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS,
SAITH THE LORD.


9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways,
and my thoughts than your thoughts.


God created the universe.
He owns all of it.
He makes the rules.
We obey,
or disobey at our peril.
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OP, You are an idiot and I'm a Buddhist.
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Only the fool sayeth,"there is no God".
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
Hell is the most grotesques evil concept invented by the mind of man

If you think hell is real and like it then maybe you need to see a shrink

hell is fiction, it should not be taught

it is a form of psychological terror
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Psalms 113:25
The dead shall not praise thee, O Lord: nor any of them that go down to hell.
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0bama want's it to be, that will be enough, and Islam has a big hell concept to.. should it be banned?
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
No. The Bible should not be banned.

But parts of it should be banned and removed.

Jesus is teaching a parable here but he is clearly calling for terrorist acts against non-believers.

Luke 19 "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
No. The Bible should not be banned.

But parts of it should be banned and removed.

Jesus is teaching a parable here but he is clearly calling for terrorist acts against non-believers.

Luke 19 "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."
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NO...!
Please don't mislead!!!!!!
[link to www.biblegateway.com]

it's about being faithful and true.
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Psalms 113:25
The dead shall not praise thee, O Lord: nor any of them that go down to hell.
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You're aware that "hell" is an English word, yes?
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
Popes and the Papacy banned the Bible before on many occasions, also killing the people who would teach from it
The Bible does mention Hell but the word Hell generally comes from the Greek Word "Sheol" meaning "The Grave"

[link to www.vatileaks.com]

They also Burned them and the peoples who choose to follow God's Word instead of The "Mother" Church of Rome

Eventually The Papacy choose to create their own Bibles
(plus other forgery's, letters from Heaven etc)

They Choose the Corrupt "Alexandrian" manuscript that was (Apparently) found in a 1,000 year old Bin, the textus receptus (received text's) didn't match up with their version: The Alexandrian Manuscript had over 3,400 revisions in it, which is what Most of the Modern Bibles are Based on, the NIV etc

The Safest Word is the Original King James Bible, Not for any other reason then that of it being compared to the others Uplifts Christ, were as the ones written afterwards seem to delete His words and remove whole and half sentences from Christ

If we were to Ban the Bible what would a man trust instead?

"But He answered, "It is written: Man must not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

There are people today that believe that eating a Sun-shaped wafer will get them to Heaven Alone

instead of THE Repentance of Sins, Forgiveness And Salvation through Christ's Grace and His precious Blood atonement.

Hell generally just means the Grave in the Scriptures, however there is a Lake of Fire (future Event) after the Judgement which was prepared for the Devil and The Evil angels to go into and be consumed by.

God and Heaven Delight in Mercy, The Goodness of Heaven is Misrepresented when one speaks of an eternal Hell, The Devil will not burn forever how much less so will a man?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him SHOULD NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

The above Verse is easily scanned over, God Loves The People of Earth Sent His Son to show them the way, So that they would not have to Perish (Be destroyed!)

If we Believe we cook forever then we believe Lucifer, the Serpents Lie in Eden That you:
"should Not surly Die(perish)"

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." 1 3:15

Conclusion Catholic Church Ordered The Deaths of Many Yet claims That there is No Salvation outside of Her, She is a Murderer and doesn't have Eternal life in Her

This is One Reason Why Christ Teaches us in The Blessed book of Revelation "to Come Out of Her, my people"
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Hell is not taught in the scriptures, rather Sheol, the abode of the dead, sleep as were is taught. Hell was introduced so man made religionists could cow their parishoners into subjection.
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
It wasnt invented by man dummy...

It is just explained by man wrong... the bible says you can heaven or hell now...here on earth...


Let me ask you a question! If you Hiv and you are sick every other week, puking 3 times a day and you go from diarrhea to constipation every other day... if you have yeast infections from head to toe... you have cancer of the rectum, cancer of the mouth and you have sores from head to toe If you are spending 3800 dollars a month on AIDS drugs that make you almost as sick as the disease... one day you feel great the next day you feel like you have been hit by a train... now here is the question....

Are you in hell?

The Answer is YES.... and this is what hell is...

The wages of Sin are sickness and death...

so sorry... you are wrong...
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Hell is not taught in the scriptures, rather Sheol, the abode of the dead, sleep as were is taught. Hell was introduced so man made religionists could cow their parishoners into subjection.
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That's the stuff. The early church fathers of the first couple of centuries widely believed in the eventual redemption of everyone - but when Rome took over and paganized everything, this doctrine magically became Heresy, and in its place they celebrated the notion of something called Eternal Damnation, which today still stands as the biggest idol in the house.
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Hell is the place you go if you are holding a weapon on the day of the return, that group is retrieved by God at the GWT and they move into the new earth will all the others raised on that day (like all the ones killed by the flood)

All that is in the Bible, you should read it sometime instead of listening to a bunch of busybodies that are basically clueless, apparently.
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It should be banned as HATE SPEECH since it slanders Jews and fags and tells women to be subservient to men.
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I think you should look at this from a broader perspective, even if you aren't a theist.

First, let's assume (That's right, I'm not saying it is so, but it is useful to assume it so because many believe it and I want you to see the logic from the believer's perspective.) that God is omnipotent. Most Christians believe in an all-powerful God. An all-powerful God could force anyone to do anything.

Second, let's continue to assume (Please bear with me) that God is love. The Bible not only says that God is love but goes on to assert that humans love because God first loved humans. (Don't panic. We'll get to the "hell" part in a moment.)

But LOVE would NOT mean forcing the "loved one" to do God's will. LOVE allows for a free choice. Anything less would be divine rape.

Third, there are other things the Bible says about God that will come into play--God is good, God is light, etc. Let's continue to build this framework common to most believers.

NOW, let's move to humankind. IF humankind has free will, that means that humankind can say, "NO!" or even a more polite, "No, thank you" to God. Regardless of whether it is emphatic or polite, it rejects God's love. Regardless, it says that the individual does not want to be included in God's love.

This, for the theist, creates a problem. If God is omnipresent (as many Christians believe) and God is omnipotent, but God wants to preserve the reality of human free will, God has to create a dimensional reality where God has set the boundary, where God will not go and God will not interfere. That is the only way to validate the rejection made by the human.

Finally, to extrapolate on the earlier assumptions, IF those are true and IF God deliberately restricts God's own self from a certain dimensional reality, what would be missing? If God is inherent goodness, this realm would be inherent evil. If God is inherent love, this realm would be without love. If God is peace, this realm would be in constant turmoil. If God is light, this place would be dark. If God wants what is best for you, this place would be what is worst for you.

Now, did God CHOOSE what is worst for the one who rejects God? No, human free will rejected God. So, IF God is an honorable being and IF God had to restrict God's own self from this dimension to allow humanity true freedom from God, that would mean that the human is choosing hell.

Will this dimensionality have beings with spiked tails and pitchforks? Will it have fire and brimstone? Perhaps, sometimes parables and metaphors reflect a reality even greater than themselves and Jesus compared "hell" with "Gehenna," the burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.

But IF God continues to subject humankind with God's light, love, goodness, and peace throughout eternity AFTER humanity has rejected God, God is not honorable. So, either humanity can have free will in this scenario or God has to perform the divine rape of forcing everyone to believe.

IF you don't believe in an omnipotent and omnipresent God, you don't logically have to go down this path. But if you are a theist, you either end up with an unfair God who forces God's being upon you or a fair God who let's you reject what God offers--even if it is presumably good.

I happen to be a Christian. I don't pretend to know exactly what hell would be like. I perceive heaven and hell as part of the multiverse's many-faceted dimensional possibilities. That's just handy mental shorthand for me. But I personally love God and trust Jesus and I don't want to live in a dimension without them.

I just ask that next time you try to wrap your head around "hell," don't think of it as eternal punishment, think of it as, perhaps, not being careful about the freedom you think you want. Of course, these last two paragraphs come from my personal bias and the opening thesis of this thread says I need to see a shrink.
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If God is omnipresent (as many Christians believe) and God is omnipotent, but God wants to preserve the reality of human free will, God has to create a dimensional reality where God has set the boundary, where God will not go and God will not interfere. That is the only way to validate the rejection made by the human.
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I appreciate your intent to logically walk through this, but the scenario isn't scriptural. There's no place where God is not, or does not go or will not be. Psalm 139 says He's even in "hell" (sheol),, and Revelation 14 says those in the lake of fire will be in the presence of the Lamb.
To their credit, Christians who are honestly wanting this thing to fit together squarely somehow will often claim that Hell is simply a place without God, as a destiny of separation from Him, but this is just more contrived junk glued onto the idol so it won't wobble.


Perhaps, sometimes parables and metaphors reflect a reality even greater than themselves and Jesus compared "hell" with "Gehenna," the burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.
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He wasn't "comparing" anything. He was deliberately referring to this maggot-infested landfill called Gehenna where the deceased remains of Jerusalem's citizens were dumped by Roman soldiers merely 40 years after Jesus gave this warning. He was alerting them of a specific national judgment that has since come and gone.
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What are you some kind of fucking commie book burner?
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OP, maybe one day you will realize that evil is measured against good, which comes from...God.

Not a puddle of slime and apes like you might believe.
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
No. The Bible should not be banned.

But parts of it should be banned and removed.

Jesus is teaching a parable here but he is clearly calling for terrorist acts against non-believers.

Luke 19 "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1518033


NO...!
Please don't mislead!!!!!!
[link to www.biblegateway.com]

it's about being faithful and true.
 Quoting: Daniel of the Rose


It's about love and light and truth and about slaying non-believers befor Jesus!
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No. The Bible should not be banned.

But parts of it should be banned and removed.

Jesus is teaching a parable here but he is clearly calling for terrorist acts against non-believers.

Luke 19 "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1518033


NO...!
Please don't mislead!!!!!!
[link to www.biblegateway.com]

it's about being faithful and true.
 Quoting: Daniel of the Rose


It's about love and light and truth and about slaying non-believers befor Jesus!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41676022


applause


The Prince of Peace is apparently so petty that if you don't kiss his ass, he's going to cook you. Makes sense ;)
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Re: Should the Bible be banned because of the Hell concept?
How about instead of banning books you don't like, just ignore them?

You go down a dark road once you start banning books.
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Hell fire actually cleans us and purify us
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Hell fire actually cleans us and purify us
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Yes! Exquisite!

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