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Attention Christians, I need scholarly articles and credible sources of information on Faith Healing

 
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Gibberish as in nobody can understand it. Look it up, "esoteric language" is part of it.

Yet you must admit that some people do make it up; there are testimonies I've seen from people who did it. Others also testify that they spoke in demonic tongues. Nobody denies that angelic beings have their own languages.

And this is why there must be an interpreter if you speak it out loud.

So don't be so eager to pull out the "blasphemy" card. At the same time, don't dismiss scriptures that put restrictions on the "sign" gifts.
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I am doing real research, for a real paper. The topic at the moment is Faith Healing. I know that I would touch on other Gifts of the Holy Spirit while doing the exploration of the topic.

I mentioned blasphemy as a caution. I want to have a genuine discussion on the subject. If I offended you, please forgive me.

I have to do a lot of research
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I too offered a caution, so I hope as well that you don't take offense on my account either.

But if you want to do serious research on a theological topic, there are boards that specialize in that sort of thing. GLP isn't exactly the best place for it.
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The GLP website is a marketplace of ideas that I spend a lot of time on. I respect the sincerity of the Christians that frequent this site and appreciate the fact that it has an international outreach. I know that it opens the discussion up to ridicule. I hope that can get past that to get to the diversity of knowledge and experience on the subject made available to me by having access to this group.

If you can recommend Christian discussion boards I will utilize those as well.
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The GLP website is a marketplace of ideas that I spend a lot of time on. I respect the sincerity of the Christians that frequent this site and appreciate the fact that it has an international outreach. I know that it opens the discussion up to ridicule. I hope that can get past that to get to the diversity of knowledge and experience on the subject made available to me by having access to this group.

If you can recommend Christian discussion boards I will utilize those as well.
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Yes, there are some knowledgable belivers here. I'm just saying that the "rate of return" for your efforts will be low on a serious research project invovling Christian theology. I've had my share of people pulling me off my own thread topics so I completely understand how frustrating it can be. At least we're still on the topic of spiritual gifts, but if you don't want to include any but healing, you might want to specify that so we know the scope you'd like to cover.

One possible theology board is [link to www.theologyweb.com] . There are many there with post-grad degrees who could point you to better resources. But at the same time, such people can also be formidable opponents who won't accept anything less than well-argued points.

ADDED: A short but decent article on the gifts of healing [link to contenderministries.org]

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Thank you for the links, I pulled a quote from contenders ministry.

James exhorts us to call on gifts of healing pray for the sick and infirm. We must pray expectantly and with faith, but we must not pray presumptuously and arrogantly. God can use us to perform miraculous healings, but this will only happen according to His will and timing, not ours. I have heard of cancer that goes into remission subsequent to prayers for healing. I have experienced healing from less serious maladies after having hands laid on me and prayers offered for my healing. Even medical journals are recognizing that miraculous healings do occur among people of faith. Gifts of healing present us with the awesome opportunity to share in the rich healing mercies of our Lord. Be faithful in exercising these gifts, and know that God’s purposes will be done.

I was thinking about what you wrote about ecstatic utterances, I think discernment of spirits comes into use on whether or not it is a genuine occurrence of tongues or a work of the flesh.

I think by the time my paper is finished all the gifts of the Holy Spirit with have to be examined and considered. So I am open to discussing the whole subject with all interested parties.
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Thank you for the links, I pulled a quote from contenders ministry.
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Glad to help.

James exhorts us to call on gifts of healing pray for the sick and infirm. We must pray expectantly and with faith, but we must not pray presumptuously and arrogantly. God can use us to perform miraculous healings, but this will only happen according to His will and timing, not ours. I have heard of cancer that goes into remission subsequent to prayers for healing. I have experienced healing from less serious maladies after having hands laid on me and prayers offered for my healing. Even medical journals are recognizing that miraculous healings do occur among people of faith. Gifts of healing present us with the awesome opportunity to share in the rich healing mercies of our Lord. Be faithful in exercising these gifts, and know that God’s purposes will be done.
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I think the other point is important as well: that they are "gifts" of healing rather than a "gift" of healing. That is, the power to heal is not present all the time in the same person.

I was thinking about what you wrote about ecstatic utterances, I think discernment of spirits comes into use on whether or not it is a genuine occurrence of tongues or a work of the flesh.
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Yes, exactly: test the spirits. But one test is by comparing the use of a sign gift to what is in scripture. When speaking in tongues is discussed, we're told to keep it orderly and interpreted, and keep our uninterpreted gifts to ourselves. We should also cross-examine any teacher as the Bereans did, which is why I provided that critique of Wright, since his use of scripture seems susptect.

I think by the time my paper is finished all the gifts of the Holy Spirit with have to be examined and considered. So I am open to discussing the whole subject with all interested parties.
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Yes, that's part of the context. Maybe the other gifts don't need the same degree of detail, but certainly there is a need to include how and when they are used, and what if any guidelines scripture gives for them in general.
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You do not need some demon possessed faith healer. Pray to God yourelf. Either He will heal you or he won't. But stay away from the vipers that call themselves healers. They are ALL frauds.
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I believe in the direct approach to God. I think most of the "healers" promoting themselves are frauds. However, the gifts of healing and word of knowledge are supposed to accompany a true Christian evangelist.
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How does word of knowledge work?
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do some research on William Branham 1909-1965

Ive read alot of his sermons

I believe William Branham had the greatest ministry of any man of God in the 20th century ...... Almost all religious people credit him as a man of God when it comes to the healings God did thru the man but they reject the doctrine he taught but I believe it because everything he said can be taken right back to the Bible and he did this with all the doctrine he taught

I once read read where Branham described the difference between divine healing and a miracle ..... He said that a miracle healing is an instant healing .....like a crippled rising up to walk or a missing limb growing back immediately

He described divine healing like this ...... He said that cancer is a life form unto itself ....it's a demonic life form ......he said that when a animal gets hit by a car it will look it will actualy shrink at first but come by two days later and it's swollen and bloated .....

He said that when God had healed someone from cancer then the demonic spirit would leave the cancerous growth and it would immediately die and start to shrink and the person would immediately feel better but a couple of days later it would swell up and get bloated and the person would start to actually feel worse ....he said that if that person didnt understand how divine healing worked then they would lose faith in their divine healing and start to doubt that God had healed them ..... he said because of their unbelief that the demonic spirit would return to the dead cancer and bring it back to life

Understanding how divine healing works has always helped me understand that no matter what the symptoms I feel that I must stand firm in my healing

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do some research on William Branham 1909-1965

Ive read alot of his sermons

I believe William Branham had the greatest ministry of any man of God in the 20th century ...... Almost all religious people credit him as a man of God when it comes to the healings God did thru the man but they reject the doctrine he taught but I believe it because everything he said can be taken right back to the Bible and he did this with all the doctrine he taught

I once read read where Branham described the difference between divine healing and a miracle ..... He said that a miracle healing is an instant healing .....like a crippled rising up to walk or a missing limb growing back immediately

He described divine healing like this ...... He said that cancer is a life form unto itself ....it's a demonic life form ......he said that when a animal gets hit by a car it will look it will actualy shrink at first but come by two days later and it's swollen and bloated .....

He said that when God had healed someone from cancer then the demonic spirit would leave the cancerous growth and it would immediately die and start to shrink and the person would immediately feel better but a couple of days later it would swell up and get bloated and the person would start to actually feel worse ....he said that if that person didnt understand how divine healing worked then they would lose faith in their divine healing and start to doubt that God had healed them ..... he said because of their unbelief that the demonic spirit would return to the dead cancer and bring it back to life

Understanding how divine healing works has always helped me understand that no matter what the symptoms I feel that I must stand firm in my healing
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I'm sure you mean well, but... this sort of nonsense is what keeps people from believing any of it at all.

Cancer is not a life form of its own but a malfunction of a once-healthy cell or organ. Animals and people bloat after death because of gasses that build up since the body is no longer functioning.

Blaming the victim is not an excuse for such woeful ignornace of biology. And I defy any of these so-called healers to blame very young children for insufficient faith!

This is not divine healing, it is fraud and a scam.

ADDED: [link to finalauthority48270.yuku.com]

The man has been dead for some 43 years, so why do we name him as a wolf in sheep's clothing along with current frauds? because he left a legacy of over 1200 sermons recorded, along with many videos, records, & photos. The New Order of the Latter Rain is based upon his ministry, and he is still revered today by many Charismatic & Oneness Pentecostal preachers & officials. Yes, the memories of him are still alive worldwide!

He may well have had supernatural happenings occur during some of his services, but WERE THEY OF GOD? I doubt it. Let's see why.

He started out as a Baptist at age 22, but shortly began holding tent revivals of his own. By 1941, he had established a 'faith healing' ministry.(He was considered too old for WW2 service.) In may, 1946, he reported that he'd received an angelic visitation, commissioning his worldwide healing ministry. He began holding healing services in St. Louis in June 1946. throughout the 1940s, he held his services at first with Oneness Pentecostal groups, then expanded to other Pentecostal groups as well. He was so successful that he began to tour the world.

From the mid 1950s onwards Branham taught that neither standard Oneness theology nor Trinitarianism were correct, but that God was the same Person in three different offices - in the same way that a husband can also be a father and a grandfather. He was mainly following Monarchianism/Sabellianism. He also started the "serpent seed" doctrine, later greatly expanded by Arnold Murray.

In 1963, he preached a number of sermons in which he said a pyramid-shaped cluster of angels met him at Sunset Mountain in Arizona & commissioned him to open the seven seals of Revelation. (In contrast to Scripture, which says only JESUS was found worthy to open the seals!) ...
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Are there any real healers or ministries? I think if you hold the medical field up to the same level of scrutiny, they would be considered non-biblical as well.
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do some research on William Branham 1909-1965

Ive read alot of his sermons

I believe William Branham had the greatest ministry of any man of God in the 20th century ...... Almost all religious people credit him as a man of God when it comes to the healings God did thru the man but they reject the doctrine he taught but I believe it because everything he said can be taken right back to the Bible and he did this with all the doctrine he taught

I once read read where Branham described the difference between divine healing and a miracle ..... He said that a miracle healing is an instant healing .....like a crippled rising up to walk or a missing limb growing back immediately

He described divine healing like this ...... He said that cancer is a life form unto itself ....it's a demonic life form ......he said that when a animal gets hit by a car it will look it will actualy shrink at first but come by two days later and it's swollen and bloated .....

He said that when God had healed someone from cancer then the demonic spirit would leave the cancerous growth and it would immediately die and start to shrink and the person would immediately feel better but a couple of days later it would swell up and get bloated and the person would start to actually feel worse ....he said that if that person didnt understand how divine healing worked then they would lose faith in their divine healing and start to doubt that God had healed them ..... he said because of their unbelief that the demonic spirit would return to the dead cancer and bring it back to life

Understanding how divine healing works has always helped me understand that no matter what the symptoms I feel that I must stand firm in my healing
 Quoting: Simple_Man


I'm sure you mean well, but... this sort of nonsense is what keeps people from believing any of it at all.

Cancer is not a life form of its own but a malfunction of a once-healthy cell or organ. Animals and people bloat after death because of gasses that build up since the body is no longer functioning.

Blaming the victim is not an excuse for such woeful ignornace of biology. And I defy any of these so-called healers to blame very young children for insufficient faith!

This is not divine healing, it is fraud and a scam.

ADDED: [link to finalauthority48270.yuku.com]

The man has been dead for some 43 years, so why do we name him as a wolf in sheep's clothing along with current frauds? because he left a legacy of over 1200 sermons recorded, along with many videos, records, & photos. The New Order of the Latter Rain is based upon his ministry, and he is still revered today by many Charismatic & Oneness Pentecostal preachers & officials. Yes, the memories of him are still alive worldwide!

He may well have had supernatural happenings occur during some of his services, but WERE THEY OF GOD? I doubt it. Let's see why.

He started out as a Baptist at age 22, but shortly began holding tent revivals of his own. By 1941, he had established a 'faith healing' ministry.(He was considered too old for WW2 service.) In may, 1946, he reported that he'd received an angelic visitation, commissioning his worldwide healing ministry. He began holding healing services in St. Louis in June 1946. throughout the 1940s, he held his services at first with Oneness Pentecostal groups, then expanded to other Pentecostal groups as well. He was so successful that he began to tour the world.

From the mid 1950s onwards Branham taught that neither standard Oneness theology nor Trinitarianism were correct, but that God was the same Person in three different offices - in the same way that a husband can also be a father and a grandfather. He was mainly following Monarchianism/Sabellianism. He also started the "serpent seed" doctrine, later greatly expanded by Arnold Murray.

In 1963, he preached a number of sermons in which he said a pyramid-shaped cluster of angels met him at Sunset Mountain in Arizona & commissioned him to open the seven seals of Revelation. (In contrast to Scripture, which says only JESUS was found worthy to open the seals!) ...
 Quoting: source

 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I understand that cancer is a mutated/ damaged healthy cell but its still a "life" ....... All sickness is from satan ...... When the cancer cell dies then life leaves that cell and it will first shrink and then it bloat ..... When he said that it cancer was a "demonic life " he was saying that the life of the cancerous cell is caused by satan ....because of the fall in the garden of Eden we have sickness and the fall was instigated by satan ...therefore all "living" healthy cells that have mutated into cancerous cells is because of satan and it is therefore a demonic/satanic life

As far as the doctrines you addressed the Bible teaches the former and latter rain ....the Bible teaches serpent seed .....the bible teaches that Jesus is God ....Jesus said to be baptized in the name of the Father ,Son and the Holy Ghost and when his own disciples baptized people it says that they baptized then in the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ ....why didnt they baptized them in the name of the Father ,Son and Holy Ghost? ....because the disciples had a revelation of what Jesus was saying ....... God in the Office of the Father created a embryo in the womb of Mary and God himself became a man and died for the sins of the world ........ The Son of God is the Title that God took upon himself when Jehovah God became a human like us ....the mystery of the Godhead ......Jesus was both God and Man .......the soul of Jesus was God but the flesh tabernacle he dwelled in was a flesh man like you and me .....your soul is who you really are but you live inside a a organic living vehicle with its own seperate thoughts and desires from the the real you(soul) that we call the human body.....Jesus was the same ..his human body had its own thoughts and desires but he brought everyone under complete subjection to who he really was and his SOUL is who he really was and He was God

As far as the seven seals are concerned .... It was Jesus that opened the Seals ....and he did it through the human voice of William Branham ....William Branham was just a man like you and me ....William Branham never healed anyone ...God just used William Branham to get the people to believe and Branham did this by teaching them the Word of God ... Specificily how divine healing worked through faith ....

William Branham said over and over again that he couldn't heal no one ...that God alone did the healing

It doesn't matter who you are ...sinner or saint......believer or unbeliever....if you have faith in the healing power of The Lord Jesus Christ then God will honor that persons faith and heal their affliction

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I understand that cancer is a mutated/ damaged healthy cell but its still a "life" ....... All sickness is from satan ...... When the cancer cell dies then life leaves that cell and it will first shrink and then it bloat ..... When he said that it cancer was a "demonic life " he was saying that the life of the cancerous cell is caused by satan ....because of the fall in the garden of Eden we have sickness and the fall was instigated by satan ...therefore all "living" healthy cells that have mutated into cancerous cells is because of satan and it is therefore a demonic/satanic life
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The term "demonic life form" does not mean the same as a part of another life form that has become diseased. All sickness is not from Satan; most of it is from the general curse on the world. And by saying that Satan caused it all indirectly, you're backpedalling on the earlier claim and trying to redefine it.

Do you have any medical literature that states "the cancer cell... will first shrink and then it bloat"? As if demons take up space!

As far as the doctrines you addressed the Bible teaches the former and latter rain ....the Bible teaches serpent seed
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No. Latter Rain is a cult that has severely damaged many people; you can do a search to find the victims and their testimonies. And the "serpent seed" teaching, that Eve was impregnated by the serpent, is absolutely false.

.....the bible teaches that Jesus is God ....Jesus said to be baptized in the name of the Father ,Son and the Holy Ghost and when his own disciples baptized people it says that they baptized then in the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ ....why didnt they baptized them in the name of the Father ,Son and Holy Ghost? ....because the disciples had a revelation of what Jesus was saying ....... God in the Office of the Father created a embryo in the womb of Mary and God himself became a man and died for the sins of the world ........ The Son of God is the Title that God took upon himself when God the Father became a human like us
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What is this, Modalism? Sabelianism? God is a Trinity of three Persons. When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit descended and the voice of the Father was heard, all at the same time.

As far as the seven seals are concerned .... It was Jesus that opened the Seals ....and he did it through the human voice of William Branham ....William Branham was just a man like you and me ....William Branham never healed anyone ...God just used William Branham to get the people to believe and Branham did this by teaching them the Word of God ... Specificily how divine healing worked through faith ....
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No. Jesus has not yet opened the Seals, and he will open them himself as scripture states.

It doesn't matter who you are ...sinner or saint......believer or unbeliever....if you have faith in the healing power of The Lord Jesus Christ then God will honor that persons faith and heal their affliction
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Children, who have pure and innocent faith, still die, still get sick, still get diseases, and you can't pass it off to their parents.

I will not endure any more of this heresy piled upon heresy just to cling to fake healers. You've done more damage to any hope of people believing in miraculous healing in a few comments than all the opponents of it could do in a lifetime.
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I understand that cancer is a mutated/ damaged healthy cell but its still a "life" ....... All sickness is from satan ...... When the cancer cell dies then life leaves that cell and it will first shrink and then it bloat ..... When he said that it cancer was a "demonic life " he was saying that the life of the cancerous cell is caused by satan ....because of the fall in the garden of Eden we have sickness and the fall was instigated by satan ...therefore all "living" healthy cells that have mutated into cancerous cells is because of satan and it is therefore a demonic/satanic life
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The term "demonic life form" does not mean the same as a part of another life form that has become diseased. All sickness is not from Satan; most of it is from the general curse on the world. And by saying that Satan caused it all indirectly, you're backpedalling on the earlier claim and trying to redefine it.

Do you have any medical literature that states "the cancer cell... will first shrink and then it bloat"? As if demons take up space!

As far as the doctrines you addressed the Bible teaches the former and latter rain ....the Bible teaches serpent seed
 Quoting: Simple_Man

No. Latter Rain is a cult that has severely damaged many people; you can do a search to find the victims and their testimonies. And the "serpent seed" teaching, that Eve was impregnated by the serpent, is absolutely false.

.....the bible teaches that Jesus is God ....Jesus said to be baptized in the name of the Father ,Son and the Holy Ghost and when his own disciples baptized people it says that they baptized then in the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ ....why didnt they baptized them in the name of the Father ,Son and Holy Ghost? ....because the disciples had a revelation of what Jesus was saying ....... God in the Office of the Father created a embryo in the womb of Mary and God himself became a man and died for the sins of the world ........ The Son of God is the Title that God took upon himself when God the Father became a human like us
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What is this, Modalism? Sabelianism? God is a Trinity of three Persons. When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit descended and the voice of the Father was heard, all at the same time.

As far as the seven seals are concerned .... It was Jesus that opened the Seals ....and he did it through the human voice of William Branham ....William Branham was just a man like you and me ....William Branham never healed anyone ...God just used William Branham to get the people to believe and Branham did this by teaching them the Word of God ... Specificily how divine healing worked through faith ....
 Quoting: Simple_Man

No. Jesus has not yet opened the Seals, and he will open them himself as scripture states.

It doesn't matter who you are ...sinner or saint......believer or unbeliever....if you have faith in the healing power of The Lord Jesus Christ then God will honor that persons faith and heal their affliction
 Quoting: Simple_Man

Children, who have pure and innocent faith, still die, still get sick, still get diseases, and you can't pass it off to their parents.

I will not endure any more of this heresy piled upon heresy just to cling to fake healers. You've done more damage to any hope of people believing in miraculous healing in a few comments than all the opponents of it could do in a lifetime.
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That's fine if you disagree ...that's your right as a human being

It doesn't bother me that someone disagrees with me ..... All of the charismatic latter rain movements are cults ....alot of if not most of the people that follow the teachings of William Branham are cults too

you can call what I believe as heresy ...I obviously disagree with you but.that's your right and I respect your right

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I understand that cancer is a mutated/ damaged healthy cell but its still a "life" ....... All sickness is from satan ...... When the cancer cell dies then life leaves that cell and it will first shrink and then it bloat ..... When he said that it cancer was a "demonic life " he was saying that the life of the cancerous cell is caused by satan ....because of the fall in the garden of Eden we have sickness and the fall was instigated by satan ...therefore all "living" healthy cells that have mutated into cancerous cells is because of satan and it is therefore a demonic/satanic life
 Quoting: Simple_Man

The term "demonic life form" does not mean the same as a part of another life form that has become diseased. All sickness is not from Satan; most of it is from the general curse on the world. And by saying that Satan caused it all indirectly, you're backpedalling on the earlier claim and trying to redefine it.

Do you have any medical literature that states "the cancer cell... will first shrink and then it bloat"? As if demons take up space!

As far as the doctrines you addressed the Bible teaches the former and latter rain ....the Bible teaches serpent seed
 Quoting: Simple_Man

No. Latter Rain is a cult that has severely damaged many people; you can do a search to find the victims and their testimonies. And the "serpent seed" teaching, that Eve was impregnated by the serpent, is absolutely false.

.....the bible teaches that Jesus is God ....Jesus said to be baptized in the name of the Father ,Son and the Holy Ghost and when his own disciples baptized people it says that they baptized then in the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ ....why didnt they baptized them in the name of the Father ,Son and Holy Ghost? ....because the disciples had a revelation of what Jesus was saying ....... God in the Office of the Father created a embryo in the womb of Mary and God himself became a man and died for the sins of the world ........ The Son of God is the Title that God took upon himself when God the Father became a human like us
 Quoting: Simple_Man

What is this, Modalism? Sabelianism? God is a Trinity of three Persons. When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit descended and the voice of the Father was heard, all at the same time.

As far as the seven seals are concerned .... It was Jesus that opened the Seals ....and he did it through the human voice of William Branham ....William Branham was just a man like you and me ....William Branham never healed anyone ...God just used William Branham to get the people to believe and Branham did this by teaching them the Word of God ... Specificily how divine healing worked through faith ....
 Quoting: Simple_Man

No. Jesus has not yet opened the Seals, and he will open them himself as scripture states.

It doesn't matter who you are ...sinner or saint......believer or unbeliever....if you have faith in the healing power of The Lord Jesus Christ then God will honor that persons faith and heal their affliction
 Quoting: Simple_Man

Children, who have pure and innocent faith, still die, still get sick, still get diseases, and you can't pass it off to their parents.

I will not endure any more of this heresy piled upon heresy just to cling to fake healers. You've done more damage to any hope of people believing in miraculous healing in a few comments than all the opponents of it could do in a lifetime.
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That's fine if you disagree ...that's your right as a human being

It doesn't bother me that someone disagrees with me ..... All of the charismatic latter rain movements are cults ....alot of if not most of the people that follow the teachings of William Branham are cults too

you can call what I believe as heresy ...I obviously disagree with you but.that's your right and I respect your right
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I am writing a research paper for class on Faith Healing. I am asking for recommendations on scholarly articles, websites and books on Faith Healing or the gifts of Healing. Currently, I am reading Quenching the Spirit by DeArtega. Recommended Ministers and Ministries would also be appreciated. Thank you all in advance.
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Are you interested in Bible believing materials that are against the modern "faith healing", charismatic/pentecostal doctrines???

Just let me know...
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I have to examine both sides. Paper is due August 2nd. I will probably present on the topic in late October.

Just so you know, I am on the charismatic side of the issue, I do not belive that the gifts ceased I think unbelief increased.
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Which conference, if you don't mind saying?
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the gift of tongues is not ecsthatic utterances. No ccscacy is needed. See also 1kings 18 v 27
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Look up Sid Roth.

He has a show called "Sid Roth: Supernatual" and has talked lots about healing.

Also, Perry Stone. He talks about it too. His father was a great man of God and witnessed many come to God after their ailments were healed after prayer.

It is real. If you believe in the One True God and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God than you believe in the Supernatural.

The things that are out of this world are more real than then the things of this world.

There's a verse on this but am having trouble remembering at this time.
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I don't know the name of the study but one was done that was triple blind on prayer... It's not faith healing - it's "faithless healing" as I see it. But powerful anyway. When I needed it, I had people praying for me in six different religions! I'll never know which one worked but I believed they all helped.angel3
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Good point: Healing via prayer is not "faith healing" as in Pentacostalism. Many of us can vouch for the very clear answers to prayer we've had for healing of loved ones, yet none of us would claim to have the gift of healing.

My biggest question about "faith healing" is why those who claim to have the gift of healing don't spend all their time at children's hospitals.
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seem to me to be more of a condemnation on your part with reference to whomsoever would, or wouldn't fulfill what it is you feel they should were this the case in their own regard...

correct?

you are judging from the outside lookin' in/on

why is it that those that CAN'T perform on a certain level... always end up "teaching/preaching" in that regard, sigh

that which they themselves have no first person experience with

?

not just typical it's stereotypical

you've doubled down on it

thin to win

guess what, you'd lose

surely you have better things to be doing with your own time than second guessing anothers, eh?

I mean, how could you not?
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seem to me to be more of a condemnation on your part...

you are judging ...

why is it that those that CAN'T perform on a certain level... always end up "teaching/preaching" in that regard, sigh

that which they themselves have no first person experience with

?

not just typical it's stereotypical

you've doubled down on it

thin to win

guess what, you'd lose

surely you have better things to be doing with your own time than second guessing anothers, eh?

I mean, how could you not?
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YOU are doing all the JUDGING here. Look at your own words above. And not just judging but taunting.

Don't YOU have better things to do with your time?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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the gift of tongues is not ecsthatic utterances. No ccscacy is needed. See also 1kings 18 v 27
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So an estatic utterance might be a demon manifesting? And not the Holy Spirit operating through that person. I do remember reading that the spirit of a prophet is unde the control of a prophet.
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the gift of tongues is not ecsthatic utterances. No ccscacy is needed. See also 1kings 18 v 27
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So an estatic utterance might be a demon manifesting? And not the Holy Spirit operating through that person. I do remember reading that the spirit of a prophet is unde the control of a prophet.
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What about the writting on the wall in the book of Daniel. Daniel was called in to interpret the meaning, thereby revealing Prophecy.
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You do not need some demon possessed faith healer. Pray to God yourelf. Either He will heal you or he won't. But stay away from the vipers that call themselves healers. They are ALL frauds.
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I believe in the direct approach to God. I think most of the "healers" promoting themselves are frauds. However, the gifts of healing and word of knowledge are supposed to accompany a true Christian evangelist.
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How does word of knowledge work?
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We read “…to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;…”. As in the word of wisdom, this is not just simple “knowledge”, but is knowledge of something, someone, some event, that the speaker could not possibly know. Note also that this gift is not the “gift of knowledge”, but the gift of the WORD of knowledge.
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do some research on William Branham 1909-1965

Ive read alot of his sermons

I believe William Branham had the greatest ministry of any man of God in the 20th century ...... Almost all religious people credit him as a man of God when it comes to the healings God did thru the man but they reject the doctrine he taught but I believe it because everything he said can be taken right back to the Bible and he did this with all the doctrine he taught

I once read read where Branham described the difference between divine healing and a miracle ..... He said that a miracle healing is an instant healing .....like a crippled rising up to walk or a missing limb growing back immediately

He described divine healing like this ...... He said that cancer is a life form unto itself ....it's a demonic life form ......he said that when a animal gets hit by a car it will look it will actualy shrink at first but come by two days later and it's swollen and bloated .....

He said that when God had healed someone from cancer then the demonic spirit would leave the cancerous growth and it would immediately die and start to shrink and the person would immediately feel better but a couple of days later it would swell up and get bloated and the person would start to actually feel worse ....he said that if that person didnt understand how divine healing worked then they would lose faith in their divine healing and start to doubt that God had healed them ..... he said because of their unbelief that the demonic spirit would return to the dead cancer and bring it back to life

Understanding how divine healing works has always helped me understand that no matter what the symptoms I feel that I must stand firm in my healing
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Thank you. I found his website [link to branham.org]
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the gift of tongues is not ecsthatic utterances. No ccscacy is needed. See also 1kings 18 v 27
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Elijah on Mount Carmel
…26And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped on the altar which was made. 27And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleeps, and must be awaked. 28And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out on them. …
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I am writing a research paper for class on Faith Healing. I am asking for recommendations on scholarly articles, websites and books on Faith Healing or the gifts of Healing. Currently, I am reading Quenching the Spirit by DeArtega. Recommended Ministers and Ministries would also be appreciated. Thank you all in advance.
 Quoting: Visitor 1354586


Are you interested in Bible believing materials that are against the modern "faith healing", charismatic/Pentecostal doctrines???

Just let me know...
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I have to examine both sides. Paper is due August 2nd. I will probably present on the topic in late October.

Just so you know, I am on the charismatic side of the issue, I do not believe that the gifts ceased I think unbelief increased.
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Which conference, if you don't mind saying?
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I plan on going to the Deliverance Ministers Conference at Lake Hamilton Bible Camp in October as an attendee.

[link to www.lakehamiltonbiblecamp.com]

It is a required meeting for The Spiritual Warfare Team members.

[link to www.spiritualwarfareteam.com]
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Look up Sid Roth.

He has a show called "Sid Roth: Supernatual" and has talked lots about healing.

Also, Perry Stone. He talks about it too. His father was a great man of God and witnessed many come to God after their ailments were healed after prayer.

It is real. If you believe in the One True God and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God than you believe in the Supernatural.

The things that are out of this world are more real than then the things of this world.

There's a verse on this but am having trouble remembering at this time.
 Quoting: hope73

Thanks, I will check them out.

Sid Roth www.sidroth.org/

Perry Stone Ministries [link to www.voe.org]


Romans 1:20 “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.” God’s invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature are clearly seen and understood by what has been made so that men are without excuse for their sin and rebellion against God. A companion verse is Psalm 19:1 “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork.” Colossians 1:16 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.”

1) The Spirit world is invisible, but nonetheless real than the physical world. In fact, the invisible world is more real than the physical one for it is eternal whereas this physical world is temporal and subject to change and is under the control of the spiritual. 2 Corinthians 4:18 “While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.” We have to fix our eyes on that which is unseen and eternal. There are 18 Greek words translated into ‘look’ in the KJV, each with a different shade of meaning. Skopeo, skop-eh'-o is to look and consider, implying mental consideration. We are not to get our eyes, our mind, our faith set or fixed upon that which is temporal. We are not to look at these things with consideration, but we are to fix our eyes on Christ and His Word, which are “eternally settled in heaven.
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The gift of tongues is not ecstatic utterances. No ecstasy is needed. See also 1 kings 18 v 27
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So an ecstatic utterance might be a demon manifesting? And not the Holy Spirit operating through that person. I do remember reading that the spirit of a prophet is under the control of a prophet.
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What about the writing on the wall in the book of Daniel. Daniel was called in to interpret the meaning, thereby revealing Prophecy.
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I think that the writing on the wall was in a language that was understood but Daniel provided the interpretation or meaning of the words.

Words written by a mysterious hand on the wall of Belshazzar's palace, and interpreted by Daniel as predicting the doom of the king and his dynasty. The incident is described as follows: Once when King Belshazzar was banqueting with his lords and drinking wine from the golden vessels of the Temple of YHWH, a man's hand was seen writing on the wall certain mysterious words. Frightened by the apparition, the king ordered his astrologers to explain the inscription; but they were unable to read it. Daniel was then summoned to the royal palace; and the king promised him costly presents if he would decipher the inscription. Daniel read it "Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin" and explained it to mean that God had "numbered" the kingdom of Belshazzar and brought it to an end; that the king had been weighed and found wanting; and that his kingdom was divided and given to the Medes and Persians (Dan. v. 1-28).
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The gift of tongues is not ecstatic utterances. No ecstasy is needed. See also 1 kings 18 v 27
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So an ecstatic utterance might be a demon manifesting? And not the Holy Spirit operating through that person. I do remember reading that the spirit of a prophet is under the control of a prophet.
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For you may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
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Spiritual Discernment is a special ability to be aware of the presence of godly and demonic spiritual forces. The gift of Spiritual Discernment is an important gift for the Church; because often the work of Satan can appear on the surface to be very positive. Without discernment, Satan could easily lead many people away from following Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:10 specifically lists “Discerning of Spirits” among the Apostle Paul’s gift list. 1 John 4:1-6 instructs the Church to “test the spirits”. Acts 16:16-19 relates how the Apostle Paul used the gift of “Discerning of Spirits” when he encountered a slave girl who was possessed by an evil spirit masquerading as a spirit of light.
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My topic is on the prevalence today of the gifts of healing in American Christian churches. I think the topic of faith healing is viable for my final research paper. I should be able to find a lot of material defining faith healing. I should also be able to find a lot of papers supporting it's practice today, as well as arguments against it being practiced today. One of the obstacles I predict running into is finding documented evidence of the actual healing taking place. I am also concerned about being able to find scholarly articles on the subject. I am interested in the spiritual dimension of my life. So researching a topic like this will allow me to find answers from people who have already experienced the benefits of spiritual growth and understanding. My interest in this area is to offer hope to people who need healing for diseases that the medical field have deemed incurable.
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Why have a God at all, if you are not going to obey his commandments. Preach the gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils, speak with other tounges. Why limit your supernatural God to your own human limitations? Ther were whole towns Jesus could not perform miricles in due to the resistance he received and the townspeoples unbelief.
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Is godlike productions just supposed to be a site for borderline retards or can it have real value.





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