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Sigh.

So your entire argument and objection to Relativity repeatedly returns to little more than a jew thought up/popularized the idea therefore it must be wrong?

You do realize that your whole line of reasoning is, therefore, based on a classic logical fallacy?

If it were suddenly discovered that Sir Isaac Newton were of Jewish descent, would that suddenly invalidate all of Newtonian Mechanics, in your worldview?
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Three guesses and the first four don't count
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I haven't yet been confronted with that hypothetical problem in any idea that is proved science. Is that not in of itself revealing?
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You are avoiding my simple yes/no question.

If it were suddenly discovered that Sir Isaac Newton were of Jewish descent, would that suddenly invalidate all of Newtonian Mechanics, in your worldview?
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He would have to understand Newtonian mechanics first.......
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Three guesses and the first four don't count
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I haven't yet been confronted with that hypothetical problem in any idea that is proved science. Is that not in of itself revealing?
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You are avoiding my simple yes/no question.

If it were suddenly discovered that Sir Isaac Newton were of Jewish descent, would that suddenly invalidate all of Newtonian Mechanics, in your worldview?
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He would have to understand Newtonian mechanics first.......
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Scratch that........he is just this very moment discovering the basics of relativity.
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Nothing can accelerate instantaneously no matter how great the force.

If the acceleration matches that of the acceleration constant of gravity of the force, no acceleration will be perceived and no force will either. To me this seems intuitively logical but let me expand on the idea a bit more.

It simply because our senses are tuned to detect changes, not things remaining constant in our frame of reference. Since the force of gravity is capable of accelerating mass it must be a force. So long as a falling body is equaling te acceleration constant of the force, forces appear to be in balance in that frame of reference. You won't experience any sensation of force or acceleration, but both are there. Take te example of an orbit. The force of gravity and centripetal acceleration are balanced, they're both there, but they are impossible to perceive in the orbiting masses frame of reference. But if another mass is acted on by the orbiting bodies gravity it experiences a detectable force
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So you agree with relativity and Einstein said the same thing as you much more simply.

I am so screwed in the head.


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First statement:WRONG. Einstein insisted gravity was the result of a curvature of space , a distortion caused by matter, and no force was involved. insisted no force was acting on a falling mass when accelerating at the gravitational constant. That is bush league science fiction bullshit


Second statement: when you put it that way, I agree
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No person who has ever made an actual positive contribution to humanity is of jewish persuasion. Any 'advancement' they appear to make is always a detriment.

They have a spotless record.

All bad.

Name an example.
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Nothing can accelerate instantaneously no matter how great the force.

If the acceleration matches that of the acceleration constant of gravity of the force, no acceleration will be perceived and no force will either. To me this seems intuitively logical but let me expand on the idea a bit more.

It simply because our senses are tuned to detect changes, not things remaining constant in our frame of reference. Since the force of gravity is capable of accelerating mass it must be a force. So long as a falling body is equaling te acceleration constant of the force, forces appear to be in balance in that frame of reference. You won't experience any sensation of force or acceleration, but both are there. Take te example of an orbit. The force of gravity and centripetal acceleration are balanced, they're both there, but they are impossible to perceive in the orbiting masses frame of reference. But if another mass is acted on by the orbiting bodies gravity it experiences a detectable force
 Quoting: AA 47216577


So you agree with relativity and Einstein said the same thing as you much more simply.

I am so screwed in the head.


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First statement:WRONG. Einstein insisted gravity was the result of a curvature of space , a distortion caused by matter, and no force was involved. insisted no force was acting on a falling mass when accelerating at the gravitational constant. That is bush league science fiction bullshit


Second statement: when you put it that way, I agree
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You have a severe reading comprehension problem.
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Nothing can accelerate instantaneously no matter how great the force.

If the acceleration matches that of the acceleration constant of gravity of the force, no acceleration will be perceived and no force will either. To me this seems intuitively logical but let me expand on the idea a bit more.

It simply because our senses are tuned to detect changes, not things remaining constant in our frame of reference. Since the force of gravity is capable of accelerating mass it must be a force. So long as a falling body is equaling te acceleration constant of the force, forces appear to be in balance in that frame of reference. You won't experience any sensation of force or acceleration, but both are there. Take te example of an orbit. The force of gravity and centripetal acceleration are balanced, they're both there, but they are impossible to perceive in the orbiting masses frame of reference. But if another mass is acted on by the orbiting bodies gravity it experiences a detectable force
 Quoting: AA 47216577


So you agree with relativity and Einstein said the same thing as you much more simply.

You are so screwed in the head.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47214963

First statement:WRONG. Einstein insisted gravity was the result of a curvature of space , a distortion caused by matter, and no force was involved. insisted no force was acting on a falling mass when accelerating at the gravitational constant. That is bush league science fiction bullshit


Second statement: when you put it that way, I agree
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Well good......we can agree you are screwed in the head
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Relativity is very real, there are countless examples in every facet of science. Einsteins relativity is a beggar clothed in the garments of royalty, a pretense, a fiction. Tesla was right. The term 'relativity' is most often associated with Einsteins GR and SR. had I put more thought into the thread title I obviously would have included his name
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Nothing can accelerate instantaneously no matter how great the force.

If the acceleration matches that of the acceleration constant of gravity of the force, no acceleration will be perceived and no force will either. To me this seems intuitively logical but let me expand on the idea a bit more.

It simply because our senses are tuned to detect changes, not things remaining constant in our frame of reference. Since the force of gravity is capable of accelerating mass it must be a force. So long as a falling body is equaling te acceleration constant of the force, forces appear to be in balance in that frame of reference. You won't experience any sensation of force or acceleration, but both are there. Take te example of an orbit. The force of gravity and centripetal acceleration are balanced, they're both there, but they are impossible to perceive in the orbiting masses frame of reference. But if another mass is acted on by the orbiting bodies gravity it experiences a detectable force
 Quoting: AA 47216577


So you agree with relativity and Einstein said the same thing as you much more simply.

I am so screwed in the head.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47214963

First statement:WRONG. Einstein insisted gravity was the result of a curvature of space , a distortion caused by matter, and no force was involved. insisted no force was acting on a falling mass when accelerating at the gravitational constant. That is bush league science fiction bullshit


Second statement: when you put it that way, I agree
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Well good......we can agree I am screwed in the head
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So what's the problem?

cruise
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This could go on all night fucktard, and there is no way to win a battle of wits when one is so unarmed as yourself
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Relativity is very real, there are countless examples in every facet of science. Einsteins relativity is a beggar clothed in the garments of royalty, a pretense, a fiction. Tesla was right. The term 'relativity' is most often associated with Einsteins GR and SR. had I put more thought into the thread title I obviously would have included his name
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Flippity flap flop flump

PWNED AGIN

Jackassogen winds
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Relativity is very real, there are countless examples in every facet of science. Einsteins relativity is a beggar clothed in the garments of royalty, a pretense, a fiction. Tesla was right. The term 'relativity' is most often associated with Einsteins GR and SR. had I put more thought into the thread title I obviously would have included his name
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Flippity flap flop flump

I'm PWNED AGIN. slipped in my own shit


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cruise
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I'm still waiting for that positive contribution a jew as made to humanity.

You will find none.
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Hmmmmmmmm

Ballpoint pen......TV remote
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Optical character recognition......magnetic disk memory
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MRI.......defibrillator
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And just by virtue of being Jewish pissing you right off

Mt personal favorite
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Optical character recognition......magnetic disk memory
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Lot of claims, no proof.Where's the beef?


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as my father told me, if there is an invention a jew got credit for, it is because he stole it from someone else.
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E = M C^2 Proved bunk:


Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as it's form suggests, then the algebraic solution for C produces C = SQRT(E/M) This translates basically into "if you transform matter into energy C has to increase or the equation produces an inequality".In an algebraic form, C cannot be a constant unless both E and M are constant and never vary
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have a very nice day
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C = PI D (circumference of a circle = PI times the diameter of the circle) Proved bunk:

Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as its form suggests, then the algebraic solution for PI produces PI = C / D. This translates basically into "If you change the circumference of a circle, PI has to change or the equation produces an inequality". In an algebraic form, PI cannot be a constant unless both C and D are constant and never vary.

a = GM/R^2 (the gravitational acceleration for mass M at distance R is equal to the product of the Gravitational Constant G times the mass M divided by the square of the distance R) Proved bunk:

Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as it form suggests, then the algebraic solution for G produces G= a * R^2/M. This translates basically into "If you change the distance from mass M, the Gravitational Constant G has to change or the equation produces an inequality". In an algebraic form, G cannot be a constant unless a, R and M are constant and never vary.

I'm sure that IDW will ignore this post, claim that his post was edited, state that I am a NASA shill, make some obscene, antisemitic, homophobic remark, or explain how he was in some strange way correct.

I believe this is the most ridiculous thing IDW has ever said. He has finally put his foot in his mouth so far that he has kicked himself in the ass.

It is such a perfect example of his general cluelessness that I think 74444 should add it his list of IDW screwups.

If there's still room, that is.
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MRI.......defibrillator
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*** citation needed

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E = M C^2 Proved bunk:


Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as it's form suggests, then the algebraic solution for C produces C = SQRT(E/M) This translates basically into "if you transform matter into energy C has to increase or the equation produces an inequality".In an algebraic form, C cannot be a constant unless both E and M are constant and never vary
cruise

have a very nice day
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C = PI D (circumference of a circle = PI times the diameter of the circle) Proved bunk:

Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as its form suggests, then the algebraic solution for PI produces PI = C / D. This translates basically into "If you change the circumference of a circle, PI has to change or the equation produces an inequality". In an algebraic form, PI cannot be a constant unless both C and D are constant and never vary.


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Wrong> The ratio of diameter to circumference is PI and that is a constant. Mass /energy is not a constant

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MRI.......defibrillator
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*** citation needed

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Use your BING lazy shill
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Well

Yet another thing Mr Moronium know nothing about

Algebra
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E = M C^2 Proved bunk:


Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as it's form suggests, then the algebraic solution for C produces C = SQRT(E/M) This translates basically into "if you transform matter into energy C has to increase or the equation produces an inequality".In an algebraic form, C cannot be a constant unless both E and M are constant and never vary
cruise

have a very nice day
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C = PI D (circumference of a circle = PI times the diameter of the circle) Proved bunk:

Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as its form suggests, then the algebraic solution for PI produces PI = C / D. This translates basically into "If you change the circumference of a circle, PI has to change or the equation produces an inequality". In an algebraic form, PI cannot be a constant unless both C and D are constant and never vary.


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Wrong> The ratio of diameter to circumference is PI and that is a constant. Mass /energy is not a constant

NEXT
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That's irrational
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MRI.......defibrillator
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*** citation needed


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Why? It's not like *you* use citations. Why need your opponents?
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No person who has ever made an actual positive contribution to humanity is of jewish persuasion. Any 'advancement' they appear to make is always a detriment.

They have a spotless record.

All bad.

Name an example.
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You are avoiding my simple yes/no question.

If it were suddenly discovered that Sir Isaac Newton were of Jewish descent, would that suddenly invalidate all of Newtonian Mechanics, in your worldview?
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I would respectfully request that discussions on this tread be confined to the subject matter and some level of civil decorum be abides in. if you don't want to , fine, but don't expect me to either.


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You can start any time.

We've been waiting years for you to do it.
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Let he who is without shins take the first slap shot
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Is Escape From New York real too?
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I dunno, but "Big Trouble in Little China" is totally true.
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"different wavelengths of light have different kinetic energy levels. This is not debatable. Different wavelengths of light are deflected by gravity at different rates of deflection because of this difference in KE, This is not debatable.

The observation of the discrepancy involved with Mercury's orbit can be and is explained succinctly and rationally simply by applying the facts as we now understand them. What gravity actually is is another matter. Just because relativity gives one explanation of gravity , it does not automatically imply it is correct."


- From and earlier post made 12 years ago by myself
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Cripes.

GRAVITY doesn't work that way. Or do you think objects that are moving faster get lighter (or heavier, you haven't said which and I don't care).

And gravitational lensing isn't frequency-dependent. There is no chromatic aberration in lensed images.
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E = M C^2 Proved bunk:


Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as it's form suggests, then the algebraic solution for C produces C = SQRT(E/M) This translates basically into "if you transform matter into energy C has to increase or the equation produces an inequality".In an algebraic form, C cannot be a constant unless both E and M are constant and never vary
cruise

have a very nice day
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47216577


C = PI D (circumference of a circle = PI times the diameter of the circle) Proved bunk:

Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as its form suggests, then the algebraic solution for PI produces PI = C / D. This translates basically into "If you change the circumference of a circle, PI has to change or the equation produces an inequality". In an algebraic form, PI cannot be a constant unless both C and D are constant and never vary.


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Wrong> The ratio of diameter to circumference is PI and that is a constant. Mass /energy is not a constant

NEXT
 Quoting: AA 47216577


No, Right> The RATIO of energy to matter, E/M, is C^2, just as the RATIO of circumference to diameter, C/D, is PI.

And you left out

a = GM/R^2 (the gravitational acceleration for mass M at distance R is equal to the product of the Gravitational Constant G times the mass M divided by the square of the distance R) Proved bunk:

Closely examine that equation. If it is an algebraic equation as it form suggests, then the algebraic solution for G produces G= a * R^2/M. This translates basically into "If you change the distance from mass M, the Gravitational Constant G has to change or the equation produces an inequality". In an algebraic form, G cannot be a constant unless a, R and M are constant and never vary.

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How come?

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