The GOVERNMENT is BEHIND the NSA LEAK. What's the real agenda here??

So if potentially millions of people are doing potentially millions of 'wrong' things, what do you think may follow?

If your neighbor was carried away, how far away are we (now) from thinking, "Well, obviously she did something wrong before."

No evidence needed.

But what would it all mean?

Much of this has to do with the power of the internet. It is no different than the churches trying to control that narrative when people started reading bibles instead of having it read to them. It is history repeating itself, and the "government" is trying to dictate the terms of the renaissance and who gets what power.

They know a change is afoot, brought about mostly from people having access to information, but they simply want to control this narrative by any means necessary.

: Want Change??? STRIKE AT THE ROOT, Here's how.......



The CFR is just one of them. There is The Council of Rhodes, The Tilateral Commission, The Bildergerger Group, The Club of Rome, The Vatican, The WTO, NAFTA, NATO and many other groups who potentially would thwart the "will of the people" even if it were a democracy. If you don't have money you don't have a voice and are considered a Sheeple.

Quoting: Anonymous 41088523
OP
"It is Chatham House (Royal Institute of International Affairs RIIA)in England. I am mostly informed on the CFR and the RIIA. They are the ones orchestrating things.

If they get orders from above, I can only guess...not going there.

I do know quite a bit about Mr. Cecil Rhodes though.....he certainly made a huge financial contribution to all of this.


The Rockefellers, Rothchilds, and The Crown seem to be near the top of the elite, they are in BOTH of these organizations......"

So if potentially millions of people are doing potentially millions of 'wrong' things, what do you think may follow?

If your neighbor was carried away, how far away are we (now) from thinking, "Well, obviously she did something wrong before."

No evidence needed.

But what would it all mean?

Much of this has to do with the power of the internet. It is no different than the churches trying to control that narrative when people started reading bibles instead of having it read to them. It is history repeating itself, and the "government" is trying to dictate the terms of the renaissance and who gets what power.

They know a change is afoot, brought about mostly from people having access to information, but they simply want to control this narrative by any means necessary.

This "leak" is nothing more then to gauge the reaction of the people.


If "they" can get away with this, without backlash, they will continue to strip the liberty's of the people.


Plain and simple.

This is just the start of things to come.

I believe it is very simple...

The leak of NSA/GCHQ "wire-tapping" is being send out as a message...

The message is that from now on, "terrorist groups" will use "alternative" methods to communicate.

Rendering the NSA/GCHQ surveillance techniques via wire-tapping redundant and/or ineffective.

So what's the big deal...?

Well....

If so called "terrorist groups" use alternative communication methods, then the chances of a successful attack by the said "terrorists" would be enormously increased.

As their "plans" would not be known (or admission of known plans by NSA/GCHQ) via wire-tapping.

Remember after 9/11, many said "why didn't the security agencies take action sooner/monitor the hijackers" (if following the official story).

So... surveillance was increased, to the level we now know about via Snowdon.

Let's just suppose, that an attack is being prepared by terrorists, who are not being monitored because of Snowdon's leaked info regarding wire-tapping.

This greatly increases the risk of a terrorist attack or false flag incident, as the security agencies can easily shrug their shoulders and say..

"We knew nothing" - due to the leak and subsequent change of terrorist methods.

What is the government's real agenda, in allowing this information to leak out? What, in the short and long term, do they hope to accomplish by this?

There's no way this whole leak about the NSA from Snowden wasn't planned. The government has to be behind this. There's no way the Mainstream Media, which is controlled by the same folks that control the government, would give so much coverage to this story if the establishment didn't want it to be covered.

So here's the million dollar question: What is the government's real agenda, in allowing this information to leak out? What, in the short and long term, do they hope to accomplish by this?

What's the cheapest and easiest way to monitor the public and censor their thoughts?

Get them to do it themselves.

Before anyone freaks over my example below, please allow me to explain fully.

You know how they got everyone to start using the term "the N word"? It's not like they got people to stop knowing what people mean when they say "the N word", in fact, even the most liberal MSM talking head is free to use the the term (provided it's used in the allowable context) so that every person who hears it knows exactly what they mean.

I mean even here, if I were to actually type out that word, I'd be banned and an autocorrect feature would alter it to something else so that we would all still know preciselywhat word I had typed, so I don't. And neither do you. Mission accomplished, the word- although it still exists- is a non word. No rebellion from anyone saying "Are you insane? Who's to tell me what word I can or cannot use whenever I choose of my own free will, but instead people caving in to this fundamental restriction, not of speech, but of thought. You know to censor yourself before the word is even uttered.

They now have planted the thought in people's minds that every utterance, every communication between anyone regardless of how private or in what context is monitored and so the only reasonable response from anyone is to self censor. No more free thoughts, no more sharing of ideas or concepts, no more questioning of anything outside of the most mundane and meaningless drivel because should you dare to even tiptoe around the edges of anything outside of the acceptable orthodoxy, they know.

So now you've stifled dissent before it is even born. You limit the range of what can or even should be debated or discussed to what you feel is harmless or not worth saying and it didn't cost a cent. No analysts need to look at "meta data", no programs need to be employed, no real surveillance take place because the overwhelming majority will no longer bother to even think about those kinds of things.

It's a page out of 1984 without the actual implementation of policy. They may not even have such a tool, but they certainly have us believing they do and for most people it's not even objectionable, it's worth the price of a "secure" State.

Just my 2 cents.

Show the world that individual governments are corrupt and can't be trusted. (Problem)

Wait for the outrage as people slowly but surely 'wake up'. (Reaction)

Present a One World Government - the U.N. - that will keep you safe and you can go back to grazing. (Solution)

The moral code of elitists includes telling their human cattle/victims their plans for them. They always wish to tell us at such a time and in such a way that we accept and acquiesce, which gives them license to continue and futher the means to their goal (whatever that might be).

Apparently the elites feel they've successfully dumbed-down, distracted, and made us complacent, to the degree they can advertise the level of intrusion they've made into our private lives, and meet very little resistance. They are confirming whether they can take their plan to the next step without society rising up in sufficient numbers - a form of acquiescence.

What if "entrapment" in the War Commissions Act was not specifically defined......so NSA-HLS-FBI-DOD can run OPERATION SLAMMER using GANG STALKING, SLANDER, COINELPRO, PATRIOT ACT to constantly provoke the target who has to retreat to avoid arrest.............and.............they also fry him with microwaves to change his mood?

What then?

Then, they meta data collect this guy posting inflammatory stuff directed at those police state actors who screwed this guy............and............everyone is convinced this guy is a dangerous radicalized lone wolf domestic terrorist who has NEVER HAD ANY DUE PROCESS OR ANY OVERSIGHT OF HIS COPIOUS AND NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS showing cause that THEY CAN TORTURE WITH DEW AND PROGAM WITH SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING to entrap people?

Judges and prosecutors don't known what it's liked to be tortured with DEW..........so how could they know or rule from experience?

What microwave frequencies can effect mood to create frustration and hostility?

What do we know about military DARPA weapons and the patents and how any weapon used in COUNTER TERROR, CAN ALSO BE USED TO ENTRAP AS A COINTELPRO neutralization?

Makes sense and is very scary.

"Oh, my neighbor got arrested. He must have been doing something on the internet for him to get arrested!" We wouldn't have a clue!

It could be to entice insiders, whistleblowers/leakers, to come forward. You float enticing information around, leave a file left open, a password easily cracked... then wait for the fly to get tangle in the web (read poem The Spider and the Fly).

Did ANYONE else notice that Snowden said in his most recent interview, "If I were working with the Chinese I'd be up in a palace petting a Phoenix."

I'm like...there's no such thing as a phoenix what the frick is he talking about? Although....Phoenix could be a super creepy code name for a government program that deals with "Rising from the ashes." And Snowden strikes me as the kind of fellow who would drop code words to let the US government know the cards he's holding.

I totally agree with OP. My conspiracy theory is that Obama is using Snowden to wage war with TPTB and get some of this information out before it's too late. It's like Guantanamo all over again...congress won't let him close it, so he plants a leak and threatens to spill all their secrets.

I find that a little more believable then someone suddenly going from a total transparency candidate to W. Bush clone. It would also explain why Snowden fled to China almost IMMEDIATELY after Obama met with their president.

Snowden is a critical character in CATCH 22

I did not hear Snowden say that about Phoenix... but look up the Phoenix Program.... wtf

First you build the cage around people in private

And when the cage is finished

You reveal it

There's no way this whole leak about the NSA from Snowden wasn't planned. The government has to be behind this. There's no way the Mainstream Media, which is controlled by the same folks that control the government, would give so much coverage to this story if the establishment didn't want it to be covered.

So here's the million dollar question: What is the government's real agenda, in allowing this information to leak out? What, in the short and long term, do they hope to accomplish by this?

In response to allegations Snowden had been working with the Chinese all along (by Dick Cheney.) Snowden is quoted as saying:

"This is a predictable smear that I anticipated before going public, as the U.S. media has a knee-jerk 'RED CHINA!' reaction to anything involving HK [Hong Kong] or the PRC [People's Republic of China], and is intended to distract from the issue of U.S. government misconduct," Snowden reportedly wrote. "Ask yourself: If I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly to Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now."

And....holy crap...just Googled "The Phoenix Program." and it actually exists!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Phoenix Program (Vietnamese: Chiến dịch Phụng Hoàng, a word related to fenghuang, the Chinese phoenix) was a program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, special forces operatives from the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam (AATTV),[1] and the Republic of Vietnam's (South Vietnam) security apparatus during the Vietnam War.
Original unissued patch

The Program was designed to identify and "neutralize" (via infiltration, capture, terrorism, torture, and assassination) the infrastructure of the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong).[2][3][4][5] Historian Douglas Valentine states that "Central to Phoenix is the fact that it targeted civilians, not soldiers".[6] The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill and capture suspected VC. They would also capture civilians who were thought to have information on VC activities. Many of these civilians were then taken to the interrogation centers where some were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on VC activities in the area.[7] The information extracted at the centers was then given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions.[7]


Oh my god and it gets weirder! There is actually also a Project Phoenix, which deals with (you guessed it) aliens! Or trying to find them at least.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Project Phoenix was a SETI project: in this case a search for extraterrestrial intelligence by analyzing patterns in radio signals. It was run by the independently funded SETI Institute of Mountain View, California, USA.

Project Phoenix started work in February 1995 with the Parkes radio telescope located in New South Wales, Australia, the largest telescope in the Southern Hemisphere.

Between September 1996 and April 1998, the Project used the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia, USA.

Rather than attempting to scan the whole sky for messages, the Project concentrated on nearby systems that are similar to our own. Project Phoenix's targets comprised about 800 stars with a 200 light-year range.

The Project searched for radio signals as narrow as 1 Hz between 1,000 and 3,000 MHz: a broad bandwidth compared with most SETI searches.

In March 2004 the Project announced that after checking the 800 stars on its list, it had failed to find any evidence of extraterrestrial signals.[1] Project leader Peter Backus remarked that they had been forced to conclude that "we live in a quiet neighborhood."[1]

So take your pick ETs or the random assassination of civilians. This is apparently a conspiracy theorist's wet dream.

First you build the cage around people in private

And when the cage is finished

You reveal it

Obama designed the Snowden and the NSA leak
to get conservatives behind Obama's campaign
promise to dial back Bush and Cheney's big
brother.
Obama promised to end it but he had to get
conservatives on his side.
He has now.

What's the cheapest and easiest way to monitor the public and censor their thoughts?

Get them to do it themselves.

Before anyone freaks over my example below, please allow me to explain fully.

You know how they got everyone to start using the term "the N word"? It's not like they got people to stop knowing what people mean when they say "the N word", in fact, even the most liberal MSM talking head is free to use the the term (provided it's used in the allowable context) so that every person who hears it knows exactly what they mean.

I mean even here, if I were to actually type out that word, I'd be banned and an autocorrect feature would alter it to something else so that we would all still know preciselywhat word I had typed, so I don't. And neither do you. Mission accomplished, the word- although it still exists- is a non word. No rebellion from anyone saying "Are you insane? Who's to tell me what word I can or cannot use whenever I choose of my own free will, but instead people caving in to this fundamental restriction, not of speech, but of thought. You know to censor yourself before the word is even uttered.

They now have planted the thought in people's minds that every utterance, every communication between anyone regardless of how private or in what context is monitored and so the only reasonable response from anyone is to self censor. No more free thoughts, no more sharing of ideas or concepts, no more questioning of anything outside of the most mundane and meaningless drivel because should you dare to even tiptoe around the edges of anything outside of the acceptable orthodoxy, they know.

So now you've stifled dissent before it is even born. You limit the range of what can or even should be debated or discussed to what you feel is harmless or not worth saying and it didn't cost a cent. No analysts need to look at "meta data", no programs need to be employed, no real surveillance take place because the overwhelming majority will no longer bother to even think about those kinds of things.

It's a page out of 1984 without the actual implementation of policy. They may not even have such a tool, but they certainly have us believing they do and for most people it's not even objectionable, it's worth the price of a "secure" State.

Just my 2 cents.