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Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013

 
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I was raised Catholic. There was a big statue in my church of Mary standing on a globe with her a halo of stars. Although I'm already aware that much of what I was taught was only misinterpreted astronomy and symbolism, this still kind of freaks me out a bit.
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The only thing I have a problem with this is that the Rev 12 sign signals the middle of the 7 year tribulation period which would mean the tribulation started 3 and half years ago as of Oct.6. on or about April 2010. I know things are bad, but not that bad yet. No way are we approaching the mid-trib point yet.

I know of someone who used Stellarium and discovered the Rev. 12 sign on September 23, 2017. You should check that date out in the Stellarium software. That might make more sense that the tribulation start date could be in March 2014.



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The sixth seal is the start of the day of the Lord. So that means that seals 1-5 are before the day of the Lord. Step back and look of the signs of the 1st five seals. Once you determine where we are, then the rest of Revelation becomes clear.

The sign of these times NOW are rising food prices and the buildup of WW3. The food prices are the work of the black rider and WW3 will be the 4th Seal. That places us in the 3rd seal awaiting the 4th seal.

The Holy Spirit told me that the 2nd seal began on 9/1/01 and the 3rd seal would start 7 years later in the fall of '08. Check out these dates in the Hebrew calendar. They are at the end of 7 year Sabbatical cycles. This 7 year famine will end in the fall of 2015, and the 4th seal will be broken right on schedule. Everyone living in this doomed area of the world will die because of nuclear radiation, invading armies, etc.

I am NOT talking about rapture dates, just the MAJOR WORLD EVENTS that happen before the day of the Lord.

The 4th seal is REAL, and will be the reason why people in the other 75% of the Earth will be SCREAMING for peace and safety in TERROR of the WORST judgement on Earth since Noah's flood !!!!!


Repent NOW while it is still given to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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love the wisdom in this thread
thank you

on 5 oct, which is a sabbath, the Jewish people read the biblical portion of Noah about the flood and the rainbow covenant

[link to www.hebcal.com]

Oct 4th sunset - Oct 5th sunset - 1 Cheshvan - is also Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan, the first of the month of Cheshvan, which is the month in which the Flood began, on 17 Cheshvan (21 Oct). on 10 Cheshvan (14 Oct), Noah and his family entered the ark.

Cheshvan is "reserved" for the time of Mashiach, who will inaugurate the third Temple in Cheshvan.
www.inner.org/times/cheshvan/cheshvan.htm

1 Cheshvan (5 Oct) is also the day when Solomon completed building the First Temple in Jerusalem

and it is the day of passing of R' Chayim Vital, a hidden Messiah of his generation
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The only thing I have a problem with this is that the Rev 12 sign signals the middle of the 7 year tribulation period which would mean the tribulation started 3 and half years ago as of Oct.6. on or about April 2010. I know things are bad, but not that bad yet. No way are we approaching the mid-trib point yet.

I know of someone who used Stellarium and discovered the Rev. 12 sign on September 23, 2017. You should check that date out in the Stellarium software. That might make more sense that the tribulation start date could be in March 2014.



You might want to listen to this:

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41745753


The sixth seal is the start of the day of the Lord. So that means that seals 1-5 are before the day of the Lord. Step back and look of the signs of the 1st five seals. Once you determine where we are, then the rest of Revelation becomes clear.

The sign of these times NOW are rising food prices and the buildup of WW3. The food prices are the work of the black rider and WW3 will be the 4th Seal. That places us in the 3rd seal awaiting the 4th seal.

The Holy Spirit told me that the 2nd seal begat on 9/1/01 and the 3rd seal would start 7 years later in the fall of '08. Check out these dates in the Hebrew calendar. They are at the end of 7 year Sabbatical cycles. This 7 year famine will end in the fall of 2015, and the 4th seal will be broken right on schedule. Everyone living in this doomed area of the world will die because of nuclear radiation, invading armies, etc.

I am NOT talking about rapture dates, just the MAJOR WORLD EVENTS that happen before the day of the Lord.

The 4th seal is REAL, and will be the reason why people in the other 75% of the Earth will be SCREAMING for peace and safety in TERROR of the WORST judgement on Earth since Noah's flood !!!!!


Repent NOW while it is still given to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The 6 seals wont start until the day of the lord comes....and the seals run backwards starting with seal 6 running backwards.....I will look for the post another person on here posted about the 6 seals running backwards in a little bit

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The 6 seals wont start until the day of the lord comes....and thevseals run backwards starting with seal 6 running backwards.....I will look for the post another person on here posted about the 6 seals running backwards in a little bit
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You are right with this.

They are running backwards.

Waiting for the post

Thank you
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The 6 seals wont start until the day of the lord comes....and thevseals run backwards starting with seal 6 running backwards.....I will look for the post another person on here posted about the 6 seals running backwards in a little bit
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You are right with this.

They are running backwards.

Waiting for the post

Thank you
 Quoting: Silly Billy 42014975


This is from anonymous 22728347 showing the 6 seals run backwards and I agree

(Rev.6:15kjv) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

(Rev.6:16kjv) And said to the mountains and the rocks fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that setteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the lamb.

This event in (Rev.6 verses 15-16) delivers a strange statement. Consider, if a mighty earthquake had already taken place, and the sun had become black as sackcloth, and the moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven had already fallen, and every mountain and Island had already been moved out of their place 3 to 4 verses earlier in (Rev.6:12-14). Why would you then run to the mountains and rocks to hide. Apparently, the major events needing protection from, had already transpired. why go into a shelter inside of a mountain that had already sustained considerable damage from a force powerful to move the mountains and damage even the lighting system within that complete darkened deep shelter. This does not make sense....unless, of course the chapter and the verses read backwards, (and had not happened yet, in verse 15-16. Because in reality these verses actually happened first in the chapter)! This makes perfect sense, this is when you would enter a shelter before the destruction, not after! We would need more than one example; that more than one or two verses appear to operate backwards; before we could possible see any evidence that the chapter is not of a chronological pattern. For we are told in scripture that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be establish...Ok lets examine a couple of other out of place verses, in this short chapter to establish the truth of this statement. Those verses that make no sense unless, of course you turn the verses around to happen beforehand first. Does God operate this way? Does God even have thoughts like this? Yes, he does!

(Isa.46:10kjv) Declaring the end from the beginning.

In other words declaring the story, book, or certain chapters, backwards to forwards.

(Rev.6:12kjv) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon as blood;

(Rev.6:13kjv) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Again another very strange alinement of scripture and the revealing of opposite or reverse roles. Not only in verse, but also in nature. Whoever heard of an event happening on earth that it effected the heavenly so powerfully that it made the stars fall from the sky. it the actions happening in the heavenly that effect the earth, not the other way around. Heavenly catastrophe result often to cause damage to earth, but an earthquake cannot be so powerful that it disrupts the activities of the heavens, even making stars fall. If these two verses however are read in reverse than it makes perfect sense. The chapter is meant to be read backwards to gain the full understanding. Now that was my second witness toward the evidence. Now a third in this next verse, yet there are several other witness in verse, but three will suffice.

(Rev.6:17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Now this verse makes a statement and ask a question. Nevertheless, in the light of the situation neither makes any sense! Why would you declare that "the great day of the Lord's wrath has come; and who shall be able to stand", when it is obvious by the reading of the scriptures this verse's statement should have been the first statement first stated at the beginning of (chapter 6 of Rev.) not ending it. For by the time verse 17 comes along all the destruction has happened. His wrath is not come, in (Rev.17) it had already been here and left. With the aftermath showing the wrath's destruction, in the previous verses. This verse is like someone getting into a fight and the fight ends, then someone makes a statement saying that one who had caused the damage, is going to get angry. Why would someone display his anger (wrath) after the conflict was over. You punched your opponent in the noise in your anger (wrath), but not after..the matter is already settled then. So, unless this was actually the beginning of the warning of what was about to commence in chapter 6, (which it actually is), it is a strange statement. Nevertheless, it is my belief that the Lord has revealed overwhelming evidence that chapter 6 reads backwards.

Now if this be the case then the rider on the white horse comes at the end of the tribulations, to reclaim (conquer) that which is his. If this be the case that would also line-up with scripture. This rider who holds the one crown is the royal witness of the two for the end days. He is also the spiritual son of his father (who is the King of the Jews), making the rider the son of the King of the Jews, (the prince of Israel)(the prince of the congregation), thus the one crown. Who is also the hidden arrow of the empty bow (Isa.49:2kjv, Rev.6:2)). This witness is that metaphorical Adam the one called in scripture the son of God, for he was created by God. So Adam as that (metaphorical) witness has returned to claim by conquest what was rightfully given to him in the beginning. That promise to Adam was... the world and all that is in it. This was given to him as a gift from his creator to hold and posses forever. For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. Therefore, that would line up perfectly with scripture concerning the meaning of the rider, and the two witnesses appearing in the end. And so (Rev.6:17)actually starts at the beginning of chapter 6, reading backwards toward the end to (Rev.6:2kjv).
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The Prince always ride a White Horse :-)

Thank you

(and yes... coming from the sky, all events have a logic in the backward mode)

"And who shall be able to stand? For the great day of his wrath is come..."

Be blessed

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The solemn feast is Yom Kippur which the rehearsal is 10 days of awe after Rosh hashanah but in the end is fulfilled with each of the 10 days representing years for a total of 10 years. So the destruction comes which will be considered Rosh Hashanah(day of the lord) and 10 days later none come to the solemn feast or as some translations say "solemn assembly" and that is because the true fulfillment of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are 10 years of awe not just 10 days.

Lametations 1:4

The ways of Zion(united states) do mourn, because none come to the solemn feasts: all her gates are desolate: her priests sigh, her virgins are afflicted, and she is in bitterness.

The Day of Atonement is the 6th feast.
This is the most solemn day on the Hebrew calendar.
When it come into its climactic fulfillment it will be am event of epic, even Biblical proportions.
Because a blockbuster future Yom Kippur will become the last day of this present evil age


Another "type" of american solemn feast would be Thanksgiving which if the destruction came 40 days after the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet happened October 6 2013 the destruction would come just a little more than a week before Thanksgiving and none would come to the Thanksgiving feasts if the day of the lord came a week prior.
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Another "type" of american solemn feast would be Thanksgiving which if the destruction came 40 days after the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet happened October 6 2013 the destruction would come just a little more than a week before Thanksgiving and none would come to the Thanksgiving feasts if the day of the lord came a week prior.
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this year Thanksgiving (Nov 28) coincides with the first night of Hannukah
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The 6 seals wont start until the day of the lord comes....and thevseals run backwards starting with seal 6 running backwards.....I will look for the post another person on here posted about the 6 seals running backwards in a little bit
 Quoting: waterman


You are right with this.

They are running backwards.

Waiting for the post

Thank you
 Quoting: Silly Billy 42014975


This is from anonymous 22728347 showing the 6 seals run backwards and I agree

(Rev.6:15kjv) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

(Rev.6:16kjv) And said to the mountains and the rocks fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that setteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the lamb.

This event in (Rev.6 verses 15-16) delivers a strange statement. Consider, if a mighty earthquake had already taken place, and the sun had become black as sackcloth, and the moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven had already fallen, and every mountain and Island had already been moved out of their place 3 to 4 verses earlier in (Rev.6:12-14). Why would you then run to the mountains and rocks to hide. Apparently, the major events needing protection from, had already transpired. why go into a shelter inside of a mountain that had already sustained considerable damage from a force powerful to move the mountains and damage even the lighting system within that complete darkened deep shelter. This does not make sense....unless, of course the chapter and the verses read backwards, (and had not happened yet, in verse 15-16. Because in reality these verses actually happened first in the chapter)! This makes perfect sense, this is when you would enter a shelter before the destruction, not after! We would need more than one example; that more than one or two verses appear to operate backwards; before we could possible see any evidence that the chapter is not of a chronological pattern. For we are told in scripture that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be establish...Ok lets examine a couple of other out of place verses, in this short chapter to establish the truth of this statement. Those verses that make no sense unless, of course you turn the verses around to happen beforehand first. Does God operate this way? Does God even have thoughts like this? Yes, he does!

(Isa.46:10kjv) Declaring the end from the beginning.

In other words declaring the story, book, or certain chapters, backwards to forwards.

(Rev.6:12kjv) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon as blood;

(Rev.6:13kjv) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Again another very strange alinement of scripture and the revealing of opposite or reverse roles. Not only in verse, but also in nature. Whoever heard of an event happening on earth that it effected the heavenly so powerfully that it made the stars fall from the sky. it the actions happening in the heavenly that effect the earth, not the other way around. Heavenly catastrophe result often to cause damage to earth, but an earthquake cannot be so powerful that it disrupts the activities of the heavens, even making stars fall. If these two verses however are read in reverse than it makes perfect sense. The chapter is meant to be read backwards to gain the full understanding. Now that was my second witness toward the evidence. Now a third in this next verse, yet there are several other witness in verse, but three will suffice.

(Rev.6:17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Now this verse makes a statement and ask a question. Nevertheless, in the light of the situation neither makes any sense! Why would you declare that "the great day of the Lord's wrath has come; and who shall be able to stand", when it is obvious by the reading of the scriptures this verse's statement should have been the first statement first stated at the beginning of (chapter 6 of Rev.) not ending it. For by the time verse 17 comes along all the destruction has happened. His wrath is not come, in (Rev.17) it had already been here and left. With the aftermath showing the wrath's destruction, in the previous verses. This verse is like someone getting into a fight and the fight ends, then someone makes a statement saying that one who had caused the damage, is going to get angry. Why would someone display his anger (wrath) after the conflict was over. You punched your opponent in the noise in your anger (wrath), but not after..the matter is already settled then. So, unless this was actually the beginning of the warning of what was about to commence in chapter 6, (which it actually is), it is a strange statement. Nevertheless, it is my belief that the Lord has revealed overwhelming evidence that chapter 6 reads backwards.

Now if this be the case then the rider on the white horse comes at the end of the tribulations, to reclaim (conquer) that which is his. If this be the case that would also line-up with scripture. This rider who holds the one crown is the royal witness of the two for the end days. He is also the spiritual son of his father (who is the King of the Jews), making the rider the son of the King of the Jews, (the prince of Israel)(the prince of the congregation), thus the one crown. Who is also the hidden arrow of the empty bow (Isa.49:2kjv, Rev.6:2)). This witness is that metaphorical Adam the one called in scripture the son of God, for he was created by God. So Adam as that (metaphorical) witness has returned to claim by conquest what was rightfully given to him in the beginning. That promise to Adam was... the world and all that is in it. This was given to him as a gift from his creator to hold and posses forever. For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. Therefore, that would line up perfectly with scripture concerning the meaning of the rider, and the two witnesses appearing in the end. And so (Rev.6:17)actually starts at the beginning of chapter 6, reading backwards toward the end to (Rev.6:2kjv).
 Quoting: waterman


This event in (Rev.6 verses 15-16) delivers a strange statement. Consider, if a mighty earthquake had already taken place, and the sun had become black as sackcloth, and the moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven had already fallen, and every mountain and Island had already been moved out of their place 3 to 4 verses earlier in (Rev.6:12-14). Why would you then run to the mountains and rocks to hide. Apparently, the major events needing protection from, had already transpired. why go into a shelter inside of a mountain that had already sustained considerable damage from a force powerful to move the mountains and damage even the lighting system within that complete darkened deep shelter. This does not make sense....unless, of course the chapter and the verses read backwards, (and had not happened yet, in verse 15-16. Because in reality these verses actually happened first in the chapter)! This makes perfect sense, this is when you would enter a shelter before the destruction, not after!

I don't see it that way. In order for events to occur as you suggest, those hiding must necessarily have foreknowledge of the devastating events about to occur.

I think the plain reading of scripture in sequence is more likely what will happen. The devastating events BEGIN to happen and the people commence hiding, as it is wrtten.
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I have been studying the Holy Bible for 39 years now. And I know what all of this means; but I am not telling anybody!!
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The 6 seals wont start until the day of the lord comes....and thevseals run backwards starting with seal 6 running backwards.....I will look for the post another person on here posted about the 6 seals running backwards in a little bit
 Quoting: waterman


You are right with this.

They are running backwards.

Waiting for the post

Thank you
 Quoting: Silly Billy 42014975


This is from anonymous 22728347 showing the 6 seals run backwards and I agree

(Rev.6:15kjv) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

(Rev.6:16kjv) And said to the mountains and the rocks fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that setteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the lamb.

This event in (Rev.6 verses 15-16) delivers a strange statement. Consider, if a mighty earthquake had already taken place, and the sun had become black as sackcloth, and the moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven had already fallen, and every mountain and Island had already been moved out of their place 3 to 4 verses earlier in (Rev.6:12-14). Why would you then run to the mountains and rocks to hide. Apparently, the major events needing protection from, had already transpired. why go into a shelter inside of a mountain that had already sustained considerable damage from a force powerful to move the mountains and damage even the lighting system within that complete darkened deep shelter. This does not make sense....unless, of course the chapter and the verses read backwards, (and had not happened yet, in verse 15-16. Because in reality these verses actually happened first in the chapter)! This makes perfect sense, this is when you would enter a shelter before the destruction, not after! We would need more than one example; that more than one or two verses appear to operate backwards; before we could possible see any evidence that the chapter is not of a chronological pattern. For we are told in scripture that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be establish...Ok lets examine a couple of other out of place verses, in this short chapter to establish the truth of this statement. Those verses that make no sense unless, of course you turn the verses around to happen beforehand first. Does God operate this way? Does God even have thoughts like this? Yes, he does!

(Isa.46:10kjv) Declaring the end from the beginning.

In other words declaring the story, book, or certain chapters, backwards to forwards.

(Rev.6:12kjv) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon as blood;

(Rev.6:13kjv) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Again another very strange alinement of scripture and the revealing of opposite or reverse roles. Not only in verse, but also in nature. Whoever heard of an event happening on earth that it effected the heavenly so powerfully that it made the stars fall from the sky. it the actions happening in the heavenly that effect the earth, not the other way around. Heavenly catastrophe result often to cause damage to earth, but an earthquake cannot be so powerful that it disrupts the activities of the heavens, even making stars fall. If these two verses however are read in reverse than it makes perfect sense. The chapter is meant to be read backwards to gain the full understanding. Now that was my second witness toward the evidence. Now a third in this next verse, yet there are several other witness in verse, but three will suffice.

(Rev.6:17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Now this verse makes a statement and ask a question. Nevertheless, in the light of the situation neither makes any sense! Why would you declare that "the great day of the Lord's wrath has come; and who shall be able to stand", when it is obvious by the reading of the scriptures this verse's statement should have been the first statement first stated at the beginning of (chapter 6 of Rev.) not ending it. For by the time verse 17 comes along all the destruction has happened. His wrath is not come, in (Rev.17) it had already been here and left. With the aftermath showing the wrath's destruction, in the previous verses. This verse is like someone getting into a fight and the fight ends, then someone makes a statement saying that one who had caused the damage, is going to get angry. Why would someone display his anger (wrath) after the conflict was over. You punched your opponent in the noise in your anger (wrath), but not after..the matter is already settled then. So, unless this was actually the beginning of the warning of what was about to commence in chapter 6, (which it actually is), it is a strange statement. Nevertheless, it is my belief that the Lord has revealed overwhelming evidence that chapter 6 reads backwards.

Now if this be the case then the rider on the white horse comes at the end of the tribulations, to reclaim (conquer) that which is his. If this be the case that would also line-up with scripture. This rider who holds the one crown is the royal witness of the two for the end days. He is also the spiritual son of his father (who is the King of the Jews), making the rider the son of the King of the Jews, (the prince of Israel)(the prince of the congregation), thus the one crown. Who is also the hidden arrow of the empty bow (Isa.49:2kjv, Rev.6:2)). This witness is that metaphorical Adam the one called in scripture the son of God, for he was created by God. So Adam as that (metaphorical) witness has returned to claim by conquest what was rightfully given to him in the beginning. That promise to Adam was... the world and all that is in it. This was given to him as a gift from his creator to hold and posses forever. For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. Therefore, that would line up perfectly with scripture concerning the meaning of the rider, and the two witnesses appearing in the end. And so (Rev.6:17)actually starts at the beginning of chapter 6, reading backwards toward the end to (Rev.6:2kjv).
 Quoting: waterman


This event in (Rev.6 verses 15-16) delivers a strange statement. Consider, if a mighty earthquake had already taken place, and the sun had become black as sackcloth, and the moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven had already fallen, and every mountain and Island had already been moved out of their place 3 to 4 verses earlier in (Rev.6:12-14). Why would you then run to the mountains and rocks to hide. Apparently, the major events needing protection from, had already transpired. why go into a shelter inside of a mountain that had already sustained considerable damage from a force powerful to move the mountains and damage even the lighting system within that complete darkened deep shelter. This does not make sense....unless, of course the chapter and the verses read backwards, (and had not happened yet, in verse 15-16. Because in reality these verses actually happened first in the chapter)! This makes perfect sense, this is when you would enter a shelter before the destruction, not after!

I don't see it that way. In order for events to occur as you suggest, those hiding must necessarily have foreknowledge of the devastating events about to occur.

I think the plain reading of scripture in sequence is more likely what will happen. The devastating events BEGIN to happen and the people commence hiding, as it is wrtten.
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You are in agreement with what I stated. This is the opposite of what the verses are recording.

They (the people) are not hiding before the event is about to occur or even before the devastation begins as you suggest. These events takes place in (Rev.6:12-14) and the destruction, and devastation. Then after these events happen and the destruction is complete. Then they (the people) are ordered to take shelter in (Rev.6:15-16) several verses later, after the devastation in (Rev.6:12-14), only then do they (the people) seek shelter. You do not seek shelter after the devastation has already happened. Now if the verses read backwards and they sought shelter from the devastation they knew was approaching ..yes.. that would make sense. Nevertheless, the way it is described in these verses shows the stars falling, the great earthquake, every mountain and Island moved out of their place (verses 12-14)....Then the whole population decides after witnessing all this destruction (which would take some time between the earthquake, the falling of the stars, Mountains and Islands moving out of their places, etc) they (the people) several verses later decide to take shelter (verses 15-16). How can they take shelter in the mountains when the mountains several verses before had already been moved out of their place (the inner chambers of that shelter of the Mountains was probably already destroyed)! The reason why it reads that way is because the word is seeking to reveal to us the verses read backwards. The verses actually reads backwards, and verses 15 and 16 happens before the verses in (Rev.6:12-14) takes place.

That is why (verse 17) warns us that God's wrath is about to commence. You have no need to warn people of God's appending wrath about to come..when it is demonstrably clear in the previous verses that, that wrath had already been demonstrated and completed its purpose!

Until the seals are clearly understood we are a hindrance to ourselves in searching out the full meaning of prophecy for these latter days.

All seven seals run backwards. Demonstrating the space of about a half an hr. (literally), (Rev.8). At the end of that time period (a space of about a half an hr.)... commences the beginning of Gods wrath against that huge portion of the earth. Therefore, the seventh seal commences the beginning of the seven seals....not the end.

Waterman..you tricked me into a forced answer...Very clever of you!
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Adam needs to learn how to ride a horse, first. Take his car away and teach him about what it means to be a real man. Center of the universe, much? I hope that we do not have our Adams confused!
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The horse is a metaphor of its meaning. Just as all four horses of the apocalypse are seeking to demonstrate. As all horses in their movement demonstrate the movement through time and space. So is the demonstration of the meaning of the horses of the seals. Each period is broken down in its own order. Each announcement of each horse manifest a new event to begin, and the transport of that event brings forth its description. Therefore, each horse demonstrates transport, order, space, and time of the end events.
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I'm none religious. But this bible verse sounds like the following to me.

The woman sounds like the Earth, clothed with the Sun, the moon under her feet.

The twelve stars sounds like 12 kingdoms that try to adhere to some ethical standard of life.
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I have been studying the Holy Bible for 39 years now. And I know what all of this means; but I am not telling anybody!!
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The word is meant to be interpreted correctly through much study, and the guidance of God's Holy Spirit. Therefore, if you can benefit your fellows, how is this detrimental toward God's gracious purpose for us. Why would you hold back from us your deeper insights? The word declares "study to show thyself approved unto the Lord". What purpose is this needful? So you can boast within yourself "I know the meaning of the word", but I will to hide it to myself. Remind me not to be on an abandon Island with you, and you alone have access to the food. You know that's what God's word is ..it is spiritual food for all men....especially to the brethren (generically speaking)! Therefore, if you choose to hide from the needful your insight on God's word, you choose to starve your fellow man of spiritual nourishment. Why?..Apparently to boast within yourself, absent any evidence of your proclamation.
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matt 4:15

14 You are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light to all that are in the house.
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I'm none religious. But this bible verse sounds like the following to me.

The woman sounds like the Earth, clothed with the Sun, the moon under her feet.

The twelve stars sounds like 12 kingdoms that try to adhere to some ethical standard of life.
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A very sapient attempt, for one who professes to be non-religious.
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Joel 2:1:

2 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.(Is this a reference to a type of ninevah rend your heart not your garments as ninevah did. Is this the 40th day call to repentance after the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet of Oct 6 2013 making the day of the lord Nov.14/15 2013?




Will the people treat the message as in the days of ninevah(totally repentant rending their hearts instead of their clothes with fasting, weeping, mourning, praying and hearts turned toward God)

Or

cloudcurse

Will the people treat the message as in the days of Noah and be full of mockers and scoffers....hmmmm

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Hello guys.

Very interesting thread.

Could anyone help me understand about the following:
Psalm 2:7
Psalm 2:8
Psalm 2:9

And also, is there any possible link between:
Zec 4:14 & psalm 83:19

(I got 83:19 from the following source, it seems that it is not clear if the 83:19 actually exist? any comment on this as well?)

www.bibal.net/04/proso/psalms-ii/pdf/dlc_ps083-001-d.pdf&#820​6;
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Waterman - some scholars regard 1260 days as an equivalency (or reference) to the phrase "a time, times, and half a time" seeing as when we equate 'time' with 'year' we observe that 3.5 years is roughly 1275 days ( give or take depending on precise definitions), and that said phrase ('times') in context would be an applicable practical equality to 1260 days.

As for the woman...a great case can be made that this sign already occurred - a quick search on youtube will result in several excellent examples. Of course you have to skip the silly ones. I dont post one up simply because I do not want to preclude your own discovery of excellent vids, nor do I want any association with any particular video or viewpoint presented therein.

With regard to my personal opinion I will state only that the most compelling case for me suggests 2012 as the year of occurrence, but again this is all conjecture and should be treated as such.

I have also seen excellent cases for 2011, 2013, and 2016 presented.

Godbless!
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Hello there,
Is it possible that the year of the dragon and the year of the snake following each other in chinese astrology could be also linked to the man child story?

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It is my opinion that the book of jeremiah is what the elijah to come does when he arrives on the scene. Just as Jeremiah was a priest and sent to give a warning of the destruction and captivity to come to the nation, so will the Elijah to come will give this warning within a 40 day period. At the end of the 40 day period, the day of the lord will come. Just as Malachi states "I will send you Elijah the prophet "before" the day of the lord."

The sign of the woman clothed with the sun happens October 6 2013 which in revelation 12 says "is a great sign" and possibly is the arrival of elijah which has to happen 10 years before the end to fulfill the day of the lord being considered the true date of the feast of trumpets and the 10 days of awe representing 10 years til the true date of Yom kippur (atonement) 42 months of jacobs trouble plus 7 years of tribulation is 10.5 years and death of the two witnesses
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The sign:
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The warning:

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The Day of the Lord:
And the beginning of the 10 years of awe (tribulation)

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Jeremiah doing the same thing the Elijah that is to come "before" the great and terrible day of the Lord(Malachi 4:5-6)

Jeremiah 1:

4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.

7 But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the Lord.

9 Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.

10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree.

12 Then said the Lord unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.

13 And the word of the Lord came unto me the second time, saying, What seest thou? And I said, I see a seething pot; and the face thereof is toward the north.

14 Then the Lord said unto me, Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land.

15 For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingdoms of the north, saith the Lord; and they shall come, and they shall set every one his throne at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah.

This will happen again the enemy comes from the "NORTH" and the Elijah is sent to warn the people before "the day of the Lord" comes......so Elijah is called the prophet of the nations as he is the one coming before the enemy comes to destroy the U.S and Elijah will:
root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant
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By then, I SON should become visible to naked eyes... Interesting...
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Ask me what you will regarding. Revelation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40524384

It's not what I think it's what God wills. It is the way it is to fit into his perfect plan.
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Did you used to go by the name mountain lady or rocky mountain lady or something of that nature for a screen name?
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No I've never been here before until last month. I had a lot of questions myself. Now I know who I am to an extent. There is still a lot that is being veiled. This is scary for me but at the same time u have a lot to accomplish. It is between me and the dragon now.
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If it is now between you and the dragon as you have stated, I suspect the dragon has the advantage...just saying.

All the dragon needs to do is puff you up some and you should become a tasty morsel, wetting his appetite, in his devouring glee...Telling you how great and mighty you are, and that he is sooo afraid of you, this should increase your own puffiness quickly...just saying. As a matter of fact it appears that in your own conviction you are puffed-up enough that the dragon need not wait any longer to taste of the bitter fruit...his favorite...just saying.

The two witnesses are not called according to their boasting. They are called through the fire. They are not convicted because of their greatness, but they are convicted because of their lowly wroth. They are convicted cowards, and so are all true men who have had the epiphany of looking into the jaws of the enemy to behold their eternal destiny.

No, the two witnesses are not mighty men, neither are they of noble character, nor are they wise in the sight of worldly men. They are simply men who came to the realization that without the full aid of the Father, their eternal destiny would never be fulfilled.
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i know elijah is already here now,! holding books as final messages to mankind but you banned him OP,!
sort of oxymoronic ,dont ya think,?
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Well he really didn't need me anyway did he...by the way nice "eman neercs"

by the way I unbanned everybody today
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That was very nice of you to do. Thank you grouphug
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Why did you try to ban me waterman? If you transgress the him spirit there will be much to pay. Do you know what you are doing? Who do you work for waterman? Do you work for God or Satan? If you work for God you would not ban the Holy Spirit from speaking.
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well I unbanned everybody but now I have 1 back on the list...I try to be nice sometimes but some people just make it so hard..lol
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I don't understand your question. They are straight forward versus. ? May I add that like Joseph you are close to the kingdom. The spirit if love for God in you shines soo bright. Brings tears to my eyes.
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Seek ye the kingdom of heaven and all will be given to you.... You are close to it. Ask God for the Holy Spirit to be in you in his sons name.
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Thank you Dear.

do you also think that last year being the year of the dragon and this year being the year of the snake may have any significance at all for the manchild and the witnesses?
Could it be a warning that the war will soon start?
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It's not what I think it's what God wills. It is the way it is to fit into his perfect plan.
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Did you used to go by the name mountain lady or rocky mountain lady or something of that nature for a screen name?
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No I've never been here before until last month. I had a lot of questions myself. Now I know who I am to an extent. There is still a lot that is being veiled. This is scary for me but at the same time u have a lot to accomplish. It is between me and the dragon now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40524384


If it is now between you and the dragon as you have stated, I suspect the dragon has the advantage...just saying.

All the dragon needs to do is puff you up some and you should become a tasty morsel, wetting his appetite, in his devouring glee...Telling you how great and mighty you are, and that he is sooo afraid of you, this should increase your own puffiness quickly...just saying. As a matter of fact it appears that in your own conviction you are puffed-up enough that the dragon need not wait any longer to taste of the bitter fruit...his favorite...just saying.

The two witnesses are not called according to their boasting. They are called through the fire. They are not convicted because of their greatness, but they are convicted because of their lowly wroth. They are convicted cowards, and so are all true men who have had the epiphany of looking into the jaws of the enemy to behold their eternal destiny.

No, the two witnesses are not mighty men, neither are they of noble character, nor are they wise in the sight of worldly men. They are simply men who came to the realization that without the full aid of the Father, their eternal destiny would never be fulfilled.
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Meant to say lowly worth... not wroth. Sorry about that was writing too quickly.
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That was very nice of you to do. Thank you grouphug
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Why did you try to ban me waterman? If you transgress the him spirit there will be much to pay. Do you know what you are doing? Who do you work for waterman? Do you work for God or Satan? If you work for God you would not ban the Holy Spirit from speaking.
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well I unbanned everybody but now I have 1 back on the list...I try to be nice sometimes but some people just make it so hard..lol
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Hmm.. So I guess I won't get any reply to my last question then... :( would you happen to have any input on that Waterman?
Cheers,
D.
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I will reply in the morning if somebody else doesn't already reply ....I have to get up early....thanks for your post....ask anonymous 227 I'm sure he has a good answer

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Why did you try to ban me waterman? If you transgress the him spirit there will be much to pay. Do you know what you are doing? Who do you work for waterman? Do you work for God or Satan? If you work for God you would not ban the Holy Spirit from speaking.
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well I unbanned everybody but now I have 1 back on the list...I try to be nice sometimes but some people just make it so hard..lol
 Quoting: waterman


Hmm.. So I guess I won't get any reply to my last question then... :( would you happen to have any input on that Waterman?
Cheers,
D.
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I will reply in the morning if somebody else doesn't already reply ....I have to get up early....thanks for your post
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Thanks Bud, I guess the more input, the merrier.
Nite.

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