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Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013

 
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well I unbanned everybody but now I have 1 back on the list...I try to be nice sometimes but some people just make it so hard..lol
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Hmm.. So I guess I won't get any reply to my last question then... :( would you happen to have any input on that Waterman?
Cheers,
D.
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I will reply in the morning if somebody else doesn't already reply ....I have to get up early....thanks for your post
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Thanks Bud, I guess the more input, the merrier.
Nite.
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Absolutely appalled by your statement..lol...the more the merrier. No mention of 227. Even cut off that last sentence about 227 in you post reply.

I don't blame you though most do not like my answers. Nevertheless, I want you to know that from the first time I saw your question posted I wanted to respond. Nevertheless, the Spirit would not allow me to respond, and after serving him for over four decades I do recognize his voice.. He instructed me to answer only when ask concerning this topic. So when I saw waterman mention my name (AC 227) I thought this might be my opportunity. However, seeing your response to waterman's reply I am now bound not to answer. Nevertheless, waterman has some good perceptions and I am sure he will give you a good answer.

Although I do not always agree with waterman, especially concerning this thread. He at least conveys his own thoughts. Not like others regurgitated words, vomited over us again and again; that only smell and leave a bad taste in our mouths, and a dull hearing in our ears...God Bless.
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Hmm.. So I guess I won't get any reply to my last question then... :( would you happen to have any input on that Waterman?
Cheers,
D.
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I will reply in the morning if somebody else doesn't already reply ....I have to get up early....thanks for your post
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Thanks Bud, I guess the more input, the merrier.
Nite.
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Absolutely appalled by your statement..lol...the more the merrier. No mention of 227. Even cut off that last sentence about 227 in you post reply.

I don't blame you though most do not like my answers. Nevertheless, I want you to know that from the first time I saw your question posted I wanted to respond. Nevertheless, the Spirit would not allow me to respond, and after serving him for over four decades I do recognize his voice.. He instructed me to answer only when ask concerning this topic. So when I saw waterman mention my name (AC 227) I thought this might be my opportunity. However, seeing your response to waterman's reply I am now bound not to answer. Nevertheless, waterman has some good perceptions and I am sure he will give you a good answer.

Although I do not always agree with waterman, especially concerning this thread. He at least conveys his own thoughts. Not like others regurgitated words, vomited over us again and again; that only smell and leave a bad taste in our mouths, and a dull hearing in our ears...God Bless.
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Thank you.
I do trust your judgement so if you decide not to answer there must be a reason.
Sorry if I cut off anything, it was without noticing it.
I shall then wait for Waterman reply while i look more closely into your past posts.
Cheers,
D.
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Matthew 17:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Before God destroys the united states because they have turned from him he will send an Elijah to give a call to repentance because the Day of the Lord is a terrible day and it is the destruction of the united states:

Malachi 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

You see this verse has a double meaning I will send you Elijah before the great day of the lord(one fulfillment at Jesus time)

I will send you Elijah before the dreadful day of the Lord(2nd fulfillment end-times)
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the Elijah prophets are a "type" of prophet

this latter day instance of which will be an altogether new "type" of same, conceptually speaking
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Hello guys.

Very interesting thread.

Could anyone help me understand about the following:
Psalm 2:7
Psalm 2:8
Psalm 2:9

And also, is there any possible link between:
Zec 4:14 & psalm 83:19

(I got 83:19 from the following source, it seems that it is not clear if the 83:19 actually exist? any comment on this as well?)

www.bibal.net/04/proso/psalms-ii/pdf/dlc_ps083-001-d.pdf&#820​6;
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


:'((
Anyone you can help me understand the above?
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This will be a bit of a long answer so bear with me:
Christians can see the volume of the book is about God and his Son Jesus but what they can't see is the hidden layer of Jesus and his Son Adam. Jesus wants Adam to have dominion over over everything as was the plan in Genesis 1.

So people have been programmed to believe every verse that deals with kingship automatically goes in the "this is Jesus" file....and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the verses but there is a secondary fulfillment hidden because people can't remember that Jesus' wanted Adam to have dominion over the earth and everything in it including the people.

The volume of the bible is about God and his Son

1 John 5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We know from scripture "the word" is Jesus and Jesus created everything(John chapter 1)

Jesus created his son Adam in the likeness and image of Jesus

Genesis 5 tells us Adam was created both male and female and called Adam:
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;


Genesis 5:
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



To be created in the likeness and image of Jesus is to be created both masculine and feminine, the masculine representing kingship and the feminine representing priesthood as we know Jesus is both King and Priest after the order of melchelzedek having no beginning or ending so therefore Jesus was always King and Priest and Adam being after the likeness and image of Jesus was created king and priest then separated in the garden Adam keeping the kingship and Eve the priesthood



Chapter 1 of Genesis shows Adam being created in heaven chapter 2 shows Adam being placed in a flesh body on earth
and Eve coming forth from Adam and taking one side(priesthood side) of Adam and Adam keeping the kingship side so Adam can reproduce and make the physical kingdom.



Jesus' plan for Adam and when I say Adam I mean Adam and Eve as Eve came forth from Adam and is one side(priesthood) of Adam, was for Adam to have dominion over all creation.



Genesis 1:28:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



To have dominion there are only 2 things that make up dominion in a world

1. Government(kingship)
2. Religion(priesthood)

these are the 2 things that run a world and Adam and Eve were both promised dominion. Adam the kingship so there is only one other office left to fill which leaves Eve the priesthood





So now the answer to your question:

Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
This also is showing the man-child of Rev. 12 that rules the nations with a "rod of iron" but I'm trying to keep this short


So the question is:

Do you think this is Jesus receiving the heathen for inheritance and all the earth for his possession? Or is it Jesus giving his son Adam(the king) the inheritance and all the earth for possession as was intended in Genesis 1?





To me Adam represent the kingship on earth of Jesus' Kingship in heaven and Eve represents the priesthood on earth of Jesus' Priesthood in heaven as Jesus is both KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek and Adam and Eve represent the levitical priesthood that was promised to be eternal and davidic kingship also promised to be eternal on earth. These 2 offices levitic(levi) and davidic(judah) are 2 different tribes and can't be fulfilled by one person or it automatically cancels out the levitic and davidic and turns it into a melchelzedek priesthood and kingship and this is not what needs fulfilled as Jesus already fulfilled that office which is a heavenly office and the dominion is promised to be of the earth.

I'm not saying the 2 witnesses will be in male and female physical bodies in the last days because the only purpose of Eve being in a female body in the beginning was to create the kingdom. On the contrary I believe the 2 witnesses will be in the flesh bodies of 2 males but the spirit in those 2 witnesses will be the firstborn Adam and Eve.

When the 2 witnesses arrive I believe they will fulfill their purpose in the offices or roles that were shown of those in the bible. For example the first office that will be utilized is the office of Elijah before the "day of the Lord" to try to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and vice versa...notice the offices that the 2 witnesses will use are going to be of a separation of a priest and king type: here are some examples:

Eve offices:
Elijah = priesthood
Joshua = priesthood (zechariah Joshua)
Aaron = priesthood

Adam offices:
Moses = kingship
Zerubabbel = kingship
Enoch = kingship

I'm just going to stop here so the answer doesn't get overly long.
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Anyone know what it means to "turn the hearts of the children to the fathers"?
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Rosh Hashanah1


I believe Rosh Hashanah on the calendar is the rehearsal for the true "hidden day" fall feast of the Lord.

Rosh Hashanah(Day of the Lord): Which I believe will be 40 days after the arrival of Elijah and not the rehearsal day(Tishri 1) on the calendar.

Rev. 3:3 states the lord will come as a thief if you do not watch, but if we do watch can we know?:



Paul states the same thing in 1thes 5:

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.(the phrase comes as a thief in the night was an idiom for Feast of trumpets)

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.(when the 40th day comes and the destruction doesn't come til the night...they will say "Peace and Safety".....and then in the night the destruction comes!

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.


How are the people going to know when the true "day of the lord"(rosh hashanah) is going to arrive?.......Because they will hear the message of Elijah and the call to repentance for 40 days and he will tell them it will be "the day of the Lord" in 40 days which is the hidden Rosh Hashanah. That is why the children of light will not be overtaken by that day as a thief

Jonahninevah


Revelation 3:3

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

nukeeeee


Yom Kippur(10 days of awe representing 10 years of awe)and will be fulfilled with the death of the 2 witnesses: And then the judgement will be sealed(Yom Kippur)!

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Is it because you dont understand it that you find it incomplete or is it your years of study of the book of revelation that has brought you to your conclusion?
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Careful waterman, I suspect what you are doing, and you will not force me into this subject matter that easily. Clever once, not fooled twice...lol.
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I/see

How was your 4th of July?.....See any patriotic people in the news? You know I had to ask as I know you will ask me the same later
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So you are already doubting your own conjecture...are you? How would I ask you the same if your inclination comes forth? I still have several weeks. Besides I am not convinced that Elijah will necassraly show up at the beginning, as much as possibly the midst. Besides God often handles situations far from our own anticipations. Sodom and Gomorrah only had a few hrs of warning. Might be the same in this situation. Who knows... maybe only the space of about a half an hour! Then again it's the lion that is chased out of the woods (2Esdras.11:37) to warn the eagle...the lion is symbolic of the royal witness/not the prophet Elijah witness. Time will tell. Oh in your case time or faith..lol.
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The bible says Elijah shows up "before" the day of the lord

I sure hope ninevah will not rise up to be a witness against the united states because the united states will have a pretty good case against ninevah getting 40 days to repent and the united states getting 30 minutes.

I guess we just throw out the "great sign" of the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet October 6th 2013....the bible says it has relevance but hey when is the last time "A GREAT SIGN" meant anything....sure Jeremiah was a priest that was sent before the destruction and he cursed his day but let's not read anything into it..lol
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Careful waterman, I suspect what you are doing, and you will not force me into this subject matter that easily. Clever once, not fooled twice...lol.
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:I/see:

How was your 4th of July?.....See any patriotic people in the news? You know I had to ask as I know you will ask me the same later
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So you are already doubting your own conjecture...are you? How would I ask you the same if your inclination comes forth? I still have several weeks. Besides I am not convinced that Elijah will necassraly show up at the beginning, as much as possibly the midst. Besides God often handles situations far from our own anticipations. Sodom and Gomorrah only had a few hrs of warning. Might be the same in this situation. Who knows... maybe only the space of about a half an hour! Then again it's the lion that is chased out of the woods (2Esdras.11:37) to warn the eagle...the lion is symbolic of the royal witness/not the prophet Elijah witness. Time will tell. Oh in your case time or faith..lol.
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The bible says Elijah shows up "before" the day of the lord

I sure hope ninevah will not rise up to be a witness against the united states because the united states will have a pretty good case against ninevah getting 40 days to repent and the united states getting 30 minutes.

I guess we just throw out the "great sign" of the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet October 6th 2013....the bible says it has relevance but hey when is the last time "A GREAT SIGN" meant anything....sure Jeremiah was a priest that was sent before the destruction and he cursed his day but let's not read anything into it..lol
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With all due respect I do not believe the Oct 6th date has anymore to do with the woman of Revelation than there is really a man in the moon. The bible does not say that Oct 6th has any relevance to any woman in Rev.

The woman in my humble opinion is symbolic of a nation, a nation who alone laid claim to conquering the moon. And the man-child is that royal witnessed, of that nations nationality. He is caught up to the throne room to receive his promised commission, from the beginning, to rule the nations as prince of Israel. He is given one gold crown...symbolic of the prince of Israel/prince of the congregation. Jesus is the king of Israel and can never be relegated to a lower position as a prince. A prince is always the son of a king. The king is Jesus, the son is symbolic of Adam...son of God/created by God. Adam the One LIKE the Son of Man (Jesus.)

I know you see this all differently, but we only have to wait until the 6th to prove your theory..lol.

p.s.. I really like the cute bratty baby picture...is that a picture of you waterman when you were little?
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I/see

How was your 4th of July?.....See any patriotic people in the news? You know I had to ask as I know you will ask me the same later
 Quoting: waterman


So you are already doubting your own conjecture...are you? How would I ask you the same if your inclination comes forth? I still have several weeks. Besides I am not convinced that Elijah will necassraly show up at the beginning, as much as possibly the midst. Besides God often handles situations far from our own anticipations. Sodom and Gomorrah only had a few hrs of warning. Might be the same in this situation. Who knows... maybe only the space of about a half an hour! Then again it's the lion that is chased out of the woods (2Esdras.11:37) to warn the eagle...the lion is symbolic of the royal witness/not the prophet Elijah witness. Time will tell. Oh in your case time or faith..lol.
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The bible says Elijah shows up "before" the day of the lord

I sure hope ninevah will not rise up to be a witness against the united states because the united states will have a pretty good case against ninevah getting 40 days to repent and the united states getting 30 minutes.

I guess we just throw out the "great sign" of the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet October 6th 2013....the bible says it has relevance but hey when is the last time "A GREAT SIGN" meant anything....sure Jeremiah was a priest that was sent before the destruction and he cursed his day but let's not read anything into it..lol
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With all due respect I do not believe the Oct 6th date has anymore to do with the woman of Revelation than there is really a man in the moon. The bible does not say that Oct 6th has any relevance to any woman in Rev.

The woman in my humble opinion is symbolic of a nation, a nation who alone laid claim to conquering the moon. And the man-child is that royal witnessed, of that nations nationality. He is caught up to the throne room to receive his promised commission, from the beginning, to rule the nations as prince of Israel. He is given one gold crown...symbolic of the prince of Israel/prince of the congregation. Jesus is the king of Israel and can never be relegated to a lower position as a prince. A prince is always the son of a king. The king is Jesus, the son is symbolic of Adam...son of God/created by God. Adam the One LIKE the Son of Man (Jesus.)

I know you see this all differently, but we only have to wait until the 6th to prove your theory..lol.

p.s.. I really like the cute bratty baby picture...is that a picture of you waterman when you were little?
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no thats not me.....that house has carpet that is all the same color..lol
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So you are already doubting your own conjecture...are you? How would I ask you the same if your inclination comes forth? I still have several weeks. Besides I am not convinced that Elijah will necassraly show up at the beginning, as much as possibly the midst. Besides God often handles situations far from our own anticipations. Sodom and Gomorrah only had a few hrs of warning. Might be the same in this situation. Who knows... maybe only the space of about a half an hour! Then again it's the lion that is chased out of the woods (2Esdras.11:37) to warn the eagle...the lion is symbolic of the royal witness/not the prophet Elijah witness. Time will tell. Oh in your case time or faith..lol.
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The bible says Elijah shows up "before" the day of the lord

I sure hope ninevah will not rise up to be a witness against the united states because the united states will have a pretty good case against ninevah getting 40 days to repent and the united states getting 30 minutes.

I guess we just throw out the "great sign" of the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet October 6th 2013....the bible says it has relevance but hey when is the last time "A GREAT SIGN" meant anything....sure Jeremiah was a priest that was sent before the destruction and he cursed his day but let's not read anything into it..lol
 Quoting: waterman


With all due respect I do not believe the Oct 6th date has anymore to do with the woman of Revelation than there is really a man in the moon. The bible does not say that Oct 6th has any relevance to any woman in Rev.

The woman in my humble opinion is symbolic of a nation, a nation who alone laid claim to conquering the moon. And the man-child is that royal witnessed, of that nations nationality. He is caught up to the throne room to receive his promised commission, from the beginning, to rule the nations as prince of Israel. He is given one gold crown...symbolic of the prince of Israel/prince of the congregation. Jesus is the king of Israel and can never be relegated to a lower position as a prince. A prince is always the son of a king. The king is Jesus, the son is symbolic of Adam...son of God/created by God. Adam the One LIKE the Son of Man (Jesus.)

I know you see this all differently, but we only have to wait until the 6th to prove your theory..lol.

p.s.. I really like the cute bratty baby picture...is that a picture of you waterman when you were little?
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no thats not me.....that house has carpet that is all the same color..lol
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Hilarious answer.... Loved it.
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Hello guys.

Very interesting thread.

Could anyone help me understand about the following:
Psalm 2:7
Psalm 2:8
Psalm 2:9

And also, is there any possible link between:
Zec 4:14 & psalm 83:19

(I got 83:19 from the following source, it seems that it is not clear if the 83:19 actually exist? any comment on this as well?)

www.bibal.net/04/proso/psalms-ii/pdf/dlc_ps083-001-d.pdf&#820​6;
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


:'((
Anyone you can help me understand the above?
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This will be a bit of a long answer so bear with me:
Christians can see the volume of the book is about God and his Son Jesus but what they can't see is the hidden layer of Jesus and his Son Adam. Jesus wants Adam to have dominion over over everything as was the plan in Genesis 1.

So people have been programmed to believe every verse that deals with kingship automatically goes in the "this is Jesus" file....and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the verses but there is a secondary fulfillment hidden because people can't remember that Jesus' wanted Adam to have dominion over the earth and everything in it including the people.

The volume of the bible is about God and his Son

1 John 5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We know from scripture "the word" is Jesus and Jesus created everything(John chapter 1)

Jesus created his son Adam in the likeness and image of Jesus

Genesis 5 tells us Adam was created both male and female and called Adam:
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;


Genesis 5:
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



To be created in the likeness and image of Jesus is to be created both masculine and feminine, the masculine representing kingship and the feminine representing priesthood as we know Jesus is both King and Priest after the order of melchelzedek having no beginning or ending so therefore Jesus was always King and Priest and Adam being after the likeness and image of Jesus was created king and priest then separated in the garden Adam keeping the kingship and Eve the priesthood



Chapter 1 of Genesis shows Adam being created in heaven chapter 2 shows Adam being placed in a flesh body on earth
and Eve coming forth from Adam and taking one side(priesthood side) of Adam and Adam keeping the kingship side so Adam can reproduce and make the physical kingdom.



Jesus' plan for Adam and when I say Adam I mean Adam and Eve as Eve came forth from Adam and is one side(priesthood) of Adam, was for Adam to have dominion over all creation.



Genesis 1:28:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



To have dominion there are only 2 things that make up dominion in a world

1. Government(kingship)
2. Religion(priesthood)

these are the 2 things that run a world and Adam and Eve were both promised dominion. Adam the kingship so there is only one other office left to fill which leaves Eve the priesthood





So now the answer to your question:

Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
This also is showing the man-child of Rev. 12 that rules the nations with a "rod of iron" but I'm trying to keep this short


So the question is:

Do you think this is Jesus receiving the heathen for inheritance and all the earth for his possession? Or is it Jesus giving his son Adam(the king) the inheritance and all the earth for possession as was intended in Genesis 1?





To me Adam represent the kingship on earth of Jesus' Kingship in heaven and Eve represents the priesthood on earth of Jesus' Priesthood in heaven as Jesus is both KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek and Adam and Eve represent the levitical priesthood that was promised to be eternal and davidic kingship also promised to be eternal on earth. These 2 offices levitic(levi) and davidic(judah) are 2 different tribes and can't be fulfilled by one person or it automatically cancels out the levitic and davidic and turns it into a melchelzedek priesthood and kingship and this is not what needs fulfilled as Jesus already fulfilled that office which is a heavenly office and the dominion is promised to be of the earth.

I'm not saying the 2 witnesses will be in male and female physical bodies in the last days because the only purpose of Eve being in a female body in the beginning was to create the kingdom. On the contrary I believe the 2 witnesses will be in the flesh bodies of 2 males but the spirit in those 2 witnesses will be the firstborn Adam and Eve.

When the 2 witnesses arrive I believe they will fulfill their purpose in the offices or roles that were shown of those in the bible. For example the first office that will be utilized is the office of Elijah before the "day of the Lord" to try to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and vice versa...notice the offices that the 2 witnesses will use are going to be of a separation of a priest and king type: here are some examples:

Eve offices:
Elijah = priesthood
Joshua = priesthood (zechariah Joshua)
Aaron = priesthood

Adam offices:
Moses = kingship
Zerubabbel = kingship
Enoch = kingship

I'm just going to stop here so the answer doesn't get overly long.
 Quoting: waterman


That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

One Love,
D.
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Hello guys.

Very interesting thread.

Could anyone help me understand about the following:
Psalm 2:7
Psalm 2:8
Psalm 2:9

And also, is there any possible link between:
Zec 4:14 & psalm 83:19

(I got 83:19 from the following source, it seems that it is not clear if the 83:19 actually exist? any comment on this as well?)

www.bibal.net/04/proso/psalms-ii/pdf/dlc_ps083-001-d.pdf&#820​6;
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


:'((
Anyone you can help me understand the above?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43009116


This will be a bit of a long answer so bear with me:
Christians can see the volume of the book is about God and his Son Jesus but what they can't see is the hidden layer of Jesus and his Son Adam. Jesus wants Adam to have dominion over over everything as was the plan in Genesis 1.

So people have been programmed to believe every verse that deals with kingship automatically goes in the "this is Jesus" file....and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the verses but there is a secondary fulfillment hidden because people can't remember that Jesus' wanted Adam to have dominion over the earth and everything in it including the people.

The volume of the bible is about God and his Son

1 John 5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We know from scripture "the word" is Jesus and Jesus created everything(John chapter 1)

Jesus created his son Adam in the likeness and image of Jesus

Genesis 5 tells us Adam was created both male and female and called Adam:
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;


Genesis 5:
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



To be created in the likeness and image of Jesus is to be created both masculine and feminine, the masculine representing kingship and the feminine representing priesthood as we know Jesus is both King and Priest after the order of melchelzedek having no beginning or ending so therefore Jesus was always King and Priest and Adam being after the likeness and image of Jesus was created king and priest then separated in the garden Adam keeping the kingship and Eve the priesthood



Chapter 1 of Genesis shows Adam being created in heaven chapter 2 shows Adam being placed in a flesh body on earth
and Eve coming forth from Adam and taking one side(priesthood side) of Adam and Adam keeping the kingship side so Adam can reproduce and make the physical kingdom.



Jesus' plan for Adam and when I say Adam I mean Adam and Eve as Eve came forth from Adam and is one side(priesthood) of Adam, was for Adam to have dominion over all creation.



Genesis 1:28:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



To have dominion there are only 2 things that make up dominion in a world

1. Government(kingship)
2. Religion(priesthood)

these are the 2 things that run a world and Adam and Eve were both promised dominion. Adam the kingship so there is only one other office left to fill which leaves Eve the priesthood





So now the answer to your question:

Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
This also is showing the man-child of Rev. 12 that rules the nations with a "rod of iron" but I'm trying to keep this short


So the question is:

Do you think this is Jesus receiving the heathen for inheritance and all the earth for his possession? Or is it Jesus giving his son Adam(the king) the inheritance and all the earth for possession as was intended in Genesis 1?





To me Adam represent the kingship on earth of Jesus' Kingship in heaven and Eve represents the priesthood on earth of Jesus' Priesthood in heaven as Jesus is both KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek and Adam and Eve represent the levitical priesthood that was promised to be eternal and davidic kingship also promised to be eternal on earth. These 2 offices levitic(levi) and davidic(judah) are 2 different tribes and can't be fulfilled by one person or it automatically cancels out the levitic and davidic and turns it into a melchelzedek priesthood and kingship and this is not what needs fulfilled as Jesus already fulfilled that office which is a heavenly office and the dominion is promised to be of the earth.

I'm not saying the 2 witnesses will be in male and female physical bodies in the last days because the only purpose of Eve being in a female body in the beginning was to create the kingdom. On the contrary I believe the 2 witnesses will be in the flesh bodies of 2 males but the spirit in those 2 witnesses will be the firstborn Adam and Eve.

When the 2 witnesses arrive I believe they will fulfill their purpose in the offices or roles that were shown of those in the bible. For example the first office that will be utilized is the office of Elijah before the "day of the Lord" to try to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and vice versa...notice the offices that the 2 witnesses will use are going to be of a separation of a priest and king type: here are some examples:

Eve offices:
Elijah = priesthood
Joshua = priesthood (zechariah Joshua)
Aaron = priesthood

Adam offices:
Moses = kingship
Zerubabbel = kingship
Enoch = kingship

I'm just going to stop here so the answer doesn't get overly long.
 Quoting: waterman


That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43009116


Everyone has such a marvelous sense of humor tonight. I am loving it.

D.You may not be very knowledgeable in scripture, but you are spiritually insightful in an innocent concept. I like that about your statements and opinions. Remember this, the word of God declares the letter of the law (word) killeth, but the spirit giveth life [2Cor.3:6].

Give me one with spiritual insight over a hundred cognizant of the meaning of the word. Nevertheless, the combination of both would be preferable.

Many years ago I read a true story of a man who was considered to be the village idiot. He could not read, write or comprehend the deeper things in life. Nevertheless, in his youth he was often taken to church to listen to the sermons. One day he decided he needed the savior in his life. He simply to the best of his ability one day prayed and ask Jesus to be his savior and lord. He had a wondrous conversion and he began to witness to everyone who would listen. He would stand in the village square and preach to the best of his ability the sermons he used to hear at church.

Now this poor man would preach the characters of the bible, but not in order of their deeds. He would preach with all of his heart how Samson opened the Red Sea, and Moses built an ark and saved man from destruction, and of course how Jesus had saved him from eternal death.

Now many would come out often to listen to the poor man speak, for it was their joy of entertainment and time of mockery and laughter and scorn toward the poor fellow, for often he would lose his way, and stumble along. Nevertheless, he would always preach in convection for he loved the word as he knew it.

Well, of course after many years of mockery, and scorn and laughter because of the poor man's ignorance. He once again began to preach one day. Again many gathered for their day's entertainment, and also was joined in the crowd a young stranger to that village. One passing through. This young man began to hear the commotion of the scorn, the laughter, and the mocking. He ventured down to the square to witness this event. Now as he began to listen to the poor man in the strength of his convection he was greatly moved. For you see he did not understand why the people laughed or was not moved by such a great message. For you see the young man knew nothing of God's word or the stories of his faithful servants. Therefore, when he heard how Moses built that ark and saved all mankind, he was touched with emotion. When he heard how Samson, through God, was moved to open the sea, he was amazed.

However, when the poor man began to speak about Jesus and all that he had done for him, The young man was greatly moved and cried out... I need this Jesus for my Lord and savior. The poor man simply told him "to call to Jesus to forgive him of all the bad things he had done and that you want to belong to his service." The man fell to his knees as the crowd became still, and in the silence of the once noisy square, one man cried out to the God of eternal life and so was that life granted to that young man.

now it has been many years since I read that story, but it concluded that the young man went on from there and started his own ministry of great fame. He was later in his life considered one of the great pioneers in the early Christian ministries in Britain/ America. It has been attributed to him as winning over a million souls to Christ over his lifetime...through the foolish efforts of one poor man of no consequence. For he knew only the spirit of the law (Word), but not the letter of the law (word.)
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Anyone you can help me understand the above?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43009116


This will be a bit of a long answer so bear with me:
Christians can see the volume of the book is about God and his Son Jesus but what they can't see is the hidden layer of Jesus and his Son Adam. Jesus wants Adam to have dominion over over everything as was the plan in Genesis 1.

So people have been programmed to believe every verse that deals with kingship automatically goes in the "this is Jesus" file....and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the verses but there is a secondary fulfillment hidden because people can't remember that Jesus' wanted Adam to have dominion over the earth and everything in it including the people.

The volume of the bible is about God and his Son

1 John 5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We know from scripture "the word" is Jesus and Jesus created everything(John chapter 1)

Jesus created his son Adam in the likeness and image of Jesus

Genesis 5 tells us Adam was created both male and female and called Adam:
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;


Genesis 5:
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



To be created in the likeness and image of Jesus is to be created both masculine and feminine, the masculine representing kingship and the feminine representing priesthood as we know Jesus is both King and Priest after the order of melchelzedek having no beginning or ending so therefore Jesus was always King and Priest and Adam being after the likeness and image of Jesus was created king and priest then separated in the garden Adam keeping the kingship and Eve the priesthood



Chapter 1 of Genesis shows Adam being created in heaven chapter 2 shows Adam being placed in a flesh body on earth
and Eve coming forth from Adam and taking one side(priesthood side) of Adam and Adam keeping the kingship side so Adam can reproduce and make the physical kingdom.



Jesus' plan for Adam and when I say Adam I mean Adam and Eve as Eve came forth from Adam and is one side(priesthood) of Adam, was for Adam to have dominion over all creation.



Genesis 1:28:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



To have dominion there are only 2 things that make up dominion in a world

1. Government(kingship)
2. Religion(priesthood)

these are the 2 things that run a world and Adam and Eve were both promised dominion. Adam the kingship so there is only one other office left to fill which leaves Eve the priesthood





So now the answer to your question:

Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
This also is showing the man-child of Rev. 12 that rules the nations with a "rod of iron" but I'm trying to keep this short


So the question is:

Do you think this is Jesus receiving the heathen for inheritance and all the earth for his possession? Or is it Jesus giving his son Adam(the king) the inheritance and all the earth for possession as was intended in Genesis 1?





To me Adam represent the kingship on earth of Jesus' Kingship in heaven and Eve represents the priesthood on earth of Jesus' Priesthood in heaven as Jesus is both KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek and Adam and Eve represent the levitical priesthood that was promised to be eternal and davidic kingship also promised to be eternal on earth. These 2 offices levitic(levi) and davidic(judah) are 2 different tribes and can't be fulfilled by one person or it automatically cancels out the levitic and davidic and turns it into a melchelzedek priesthood and kingship and this is not what needs fulfilled as Jesus already fulfilled that office which is a heavenly office and the dominion is promised to be of the earth.

I'm not saying the 2 witnesses will be in male and female physical bodies in the last days because the only purpose of Eve being in a female body in the beginning was to create the kingdom. On the contrary I believe the 2 witnesses will be in the flesh bodies of 2 males but the spirit in those 2 witnesses will be the firstborn Adam and Eve.

When the 2 witnesses arrive I believe they will fulfill their purpose in the offices or roles that were shown of those in the bible. For example the first office that will be utilized is the office of Elijah before the "day of the Lord" to try to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and vice versa...notice the offices that the 2 witnesses will use are going to be of a separation of a priest and king type: here are some examples:

Eve offices:
Elijah = priesthood
Joshua = priesthood (zechariah Joshua)
Aaron = priesthood

Adam offices:
Moses = kingship
Zerubabbel = kingship
Enoch = kingship

I'm just going to stop here so the answer doesn't get overly long.
 Quoting: waterman


That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43009116


Everyone has such a marvelous sense of humor tonight. I am loving it.

D.You may not be very knowledgeable in scripture, but you are spiritually insightful in an innocent concept. I like that about your statements and opinions. Remember this, the word of God declares the letter of the law (word) killeth, but the spirit giveth life [2Cor.3:6].

Give me one with spiritual insight over a hundred cognizant of the meaning of the word. Nevertheless, the combination of both would be preferable.

Many years ago I read a true story of a man who was considered to be the village idiot. He could not read, write or comprehend the deeper things in life. Nevertheless, in his youth he was often taken to church to listen to the sermons. One day he decided he needed the savior in his life. He simply to the best of his ability one day prayed and ask Jesus to be his savior and lord. He had a wondrous conversion and he began to witness to everyone who would listen. He would stand in the village square and preach to the best of his ability the sermons he used to hear at church.

Now this poor man would preach the characters of the bible, but not in order of their deeds. He would preach with all of his heart how Samson opened the Red Sea, and Moses built an ark and saved man from destruction, and of course how Jesus had saved him from eternal death.

Now many would come out often to listen to the poor man speak, for it was their joy of entertainment and time of mockery and laughter and scorn toward the poor fellow, for often he would lose his way, and stumble along. Nevertheless, he would always preach in convection for he loved the word as he knew it.

Well, of course after many years of mockery, and scorn and laughter because of the poor man's ignorance. He once again began to preach one day. Again many gathered for their day's entertainment, and also was joined in the crowd a young stranger to that village. One passing through. This young man began to hear the commotion of the scorn, the laughter, and the mocking. He ventured down to the square to witness this event. Now as he began to listen to the poor man in the strength of his convection he was greatly moved. For you see he did not understand why the people laughed or was not moved by such a great message. For you see the young man knew nothing of God's word or the stories of his faithful servants. Therefore, when he heard how Moses built that ark and saved all mankind, he was touched with emotion. When he heard how Samson, through God, was moved to open the sea, he was amazed.

However, when the poor man began to speak about Jesus and all that he had done for him, The young man was greatly moved and cried out... I need this Jesus for my Lord and savior. The poor man simply told him "to call to Jesus to forgive him of all the bad things he had done and that you want to belong to his service." The man fell to his knees as the crowd became still, and in the silence of the once noisy square, one man cried out to the God of eternal life and so was that life granted to that young man.

now it has been many years since I read that story, but it concluded that the young man went on from there and started his own ministry of great fame. He was later in his life considered one of the great pioneers in the early Christian ministries in Britain/ America. It has been attributed to him as winning over a million souls to Christ over his lifetime...through the foolish efforts of one poor man of no consequence. For he knew only the spirit of the law (Word), but not the letter of the law (word.)
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Thank you for sharing the story and for not denying me for simplicity. Still got heaps of time to learn. :)

I believe that when the square becomes the circle, great wonders can be achieved. This is how I would interpret the message above. It was a very well chosen story which resonated well.

Would you mind explaining to me what would the following sentence mean to you : To leave God for God.

One Love,
D.
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This will be a bit of a long answer so bear with me:
Christians can see the volume of the book is about God and his Son Jesus but what they can't see is the hidden layer of Jesus and his Son Adam. Jesus wants Adam to have dominion over over everything as was the plan in Genesis 1.

So people have been programmed to believe every verse that deals with kingship automatically goes in the "this is Jesus" file....and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the verses but there is a secondary fulfillment hidden because people can't remember that Jesus' wanted Adam to have dominion over the earth and everything in it including the people.

The volume of the bible is about God and his Son

1 John 5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We know from scripture "the word" is Jesus and Jesus created everything(John chapter 1)

Jesus created his son Adam in the likeness and image of Jesus

Genesis 5 tells us Adam was created both male and female and called Adam:
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;


Genesis 5:
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



To be created in the likeness and image of Jesus is to be created both masculine and feminine, the masculine representing kingship and the feminine representing priesthood as we know Jesus is both King and Priest after the order of melchelzedek having no beginning or ending so therefore Jesus was always King and Priest and Adam being after the likeness and image of Jesus was created king and priest then separated in the garden Adam keeping the kingship and Eve the priesthood



Chapter 1 of Genesis shows Adam being created in heaven chapter 2 shows Adam being placed in a flesh body on earth
and Eve coming forth from Adam and taking one side(priesthood side) of Adam and Adam keeping the kingship side so Adam can reproduce and make the physical kingdom.



Jesus' plan for Adam and when I say Adam I mean Adam and Eve as Eve came forth from Adam and is one side(priesthood) of Adam, was for Adam to have dominion over all creation.



Genesis 1:28:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



To have dominion there are only 2 things that make up dominion in a world

1. Government(kingship)
2. Religion(priesthood)

these are the 2 things that run a world and Adam and Eve were both promised dominion. Adam the kingship so there is only one other office left to fill which leaves Eve the priesthood





So now the answer to your question:

Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
This also is showing the man-child of Rev. 12 that rules the nations with a "rod of iron" but I'm trying to keep this short


So the question is:

Do you think this is Jesus receiving the heathen for inheritance and all the earth for his possession? Or is it Jesus giving his son Adam(the king) the inheritance and all the earth for possession as was intended in Genesis 1?





To me Adam represent the kingship on earth of Jesus' Kingship in heaven and Eve represents the priesthood on earth of Jesus' Priesthood in heaven as Jesus is both KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek and Adam and Eve represent the levitical priesthood that was promised to be eternal and davidic kingship also promised to be eternal on earth. These 2 offices levitic(levi) and davidic(judah) are 2 different tribes and can't be fulfilled by one person or it automatically cancels out the levitic and davidic and turns it into a melchelzedek priesthood and kingship and this is not what needs fulfilled as Jesus already fulfilled that office which is a heavenly office and the dominion is promised to be of the earth.

I'm not saying the 2 witnesses will be in male and female physical bodies in the last days because the only purpose of Eve being in a female body in the beginning was to create the kingdom. On the contrary I believe the 2 witnesses will be in the flesh bodies of 2 males but the spirit in those 2 witnesses will be the firstborn Adam and Eve.

When the 2 witnesses arrive I believe they will fulfill their purpose in the offices or roles that were shown of those in the bible. For example the first office that will be utilized is the office of Elijah before the "day of the Lord" to try to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and vice versa...notice the offices that the 2 witnesses will use are going to be of a separation of a priest and king type: here are some examples:

Eve offices:
Elijah = priesthood
Joshua = priesthood (zechariah Joshua)
Aaron = priesthood

Adam offices:
Moses = kingship
Zerubabbel = kingship
Enoch = kingship

I'm just going to stop here so the answer doesn't get overly long.
 Quoting: waterman


That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43009116


Everyone has such a marvelous sense of humor tonight. I am loving it.

D.You may not be very knowledgeable in scripture, but you are spiritually insightful in an innocent concept. I like that about your statements and opinions. Remember this, the word of God declares the letter of the law (word) killeth, but the spirit giveth life [2Cor.3:6].

Give me one with spiritual insight over a hundred cognizant of the meaning of the word. Nevertheless, the combination of both would be preferable.

Many years ago I read a true story of a man who was considered to be the village idiot. He could not read, write or comprehend the deeper things in life. Nevertheless, in his youth he was often taken to church to listen to the sermons. One day he decided he needed the savior in his life. He simply to the best of his ability one day prayed and ask Jesus to be his savior and lord. He had a wondrous conversion and he began to witness to everyone who would listen. He would stand in the village square and preach to the best of his ability the sermons he used to hear at church.

Now this poor man would preach the characters of the bible, but not in order of their deeds. He would preach with all of his heart how Samson opened the Red Sea, and Moses built an ark and saved man from destruction, and of course how Jesus had saved him from eternal death.

Now many would come out often to listen to the poor man speak, for it was their joy of entertainment and time of mockery and laughter and scorn toward the poor fellow, for often he would lose his way, and stumble along. Nevertheless, he would always preach in convection for he loved the word as he knew it.

Well, of course after many years of mockery, and scorn and laughter because of the poor man's ignorance. He once again began to preach one day. Again many gathered for their day's entertainment, and also was joined in the crowd a young stranger to that village. One passing through. This young man began to hear the commotion of the scorn, the laughter, and the mocking. He ventured down to the square to witness this event. Now as he began to listen to the poor man in the strength of his convection he was greatly moved. For you see he did not understand why the people laughed or was not moved by such a great message. For you see the young man knew nothing of God's word or the stories of his faithful servants. Therefore, when he heard how Moses built that ark and saved all mankind, he was touched with emotion. When he heard how Samson, through God, was moved to open the sea, he was amazed.

However, when the poor man began to speak about Jesus and all that he had done for him, The young man was greatly moved and cried out... I need this Jesus for my Lord and savior. The poor man simply told him "to call to Jesus to forgive him of all the bad things he had done and that you want to belong to his service." The man fell to his knees as the crowd became still, and in the silence of the once noisy square, one man cried out to the God of eternal life and so was that life granted to that young man.

now it has been many years since I read that story, but it concluded that the young man went on from there and started his own ministry of great fame. He was later in his life considered one of the great pioneers in the early Christian ministries in Britain/ America. It has been attributed to him as winning over a million souls to Christ over his lifetime...through the foolish efforts of one poor man of no consequence. For he knew only the spirit of the law (Word), but not the letter of the law (word.)
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Thank you for sharing the story and for not denying me for simplicity. Still got heaps of time to learn. :)

I believe that when the square becomes the circle, great wonders can be achieved. This is how I would interpret the message above. It was a very well chosen story which resonated well.

Would you mind explaining to me what would the following sentence mean to you : To leave God for God.

One Love,
D.
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With somewhat little information coming forth from the statement, I can only assume someone wrote this toward someone else. If this is true I would interpret it to mean. "to cease from acting like God, to discover the real God," type concept. Or it could mean "leave God, as a favor to God." This is the best I can come up with from this short sentence. However, it may me something completely different depending on the ambiance in which it was spoken.

Hope that might have helped some.
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That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

One Love,
D.
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Everyone has such a marvelous sense of humor tonight. I am loving it.

D.You may not be very knowledgeable in scripture, but you are spiritually insightful in an innocent concept. I like that about your statements and opinions. Remember this, the word of God declares the letter of the law (word) killeth, but the spirit giveth life [2Cor.3:6].

Give me one with spiritual insight over a hundred cognizant of the meaning of the word. Nevertheless, the combination of both would be preferable.

Many years ago I read a true story of a man who was considered to be the village idiot. He could not read, write or comprehend the deeper things in life. Nevertheless, in his youth he was often taken to church to listen to the sermons. One day he decided he needed the savior in his life. He simply to the best of his ability one day prayed and ask Jesus to be his savior and lord. He had a wondrous conversion and he began to witness to everyone who would listen. He would stand in the village square and preach to the best of his ability the sermons he used to hear at church.

Now this poor man would preach the characters of the bible, but not in order of their deeds. He would preach with all of his heart how Samson opened the Red Sea, and Moses built an ark and saved man from destruction, and of course how Jesus had saved him from eternal death.

Now many would come out often to listen to the poor man speak, for it was their joy of entertainment and time of mockery and laughter and scorn toward the poor fellow, for often he would lose his way, and stumble along. Nevertheless, he would always preach in convection for he loved the word as he knew it.

Well, of course after many years of mockery, and scorn and laughter because of the poor man's ignorance. He once again began to preach one day. Again many gathered for their day's entertainment, and also was joined in the crowd a young stranger to that village. One passing through. This young man began to hear the commotion of the scorn, the laughter, and the mocking. He ventured down to the square to witness this event. Now as he began to listen to the poor man in the strength of his convection he was greatly moved. For you see he did not understand why the people laughed or was not moved by such a great message. For you see the young man knew nothing of God's word or the stories of his faithful servants. Therefore, when he heard how Moses built that ark and saved all mankind, he was touched with emotion. When he heard how Samson, through God, was moved to open the sea, he was amazed.

However, when the poor man began to speak about Jesus and all that he had done for him, The young man was greatly moved and cried out... I need this Jesus for my Lord and savior. The poor man simply told him "to call to Jesus to forgive him of all the bad things he had done and that you want to belong to his service." The man fell to his knees as the crowd became still, and in the silence of the once noisy square, one man cried out to the God of eternal life and so was that life granted to that young man.

now it has been many years since I read that story, but it concluded that the young man went on from there and started his own ministry of great fame. He was later in his life considered one of the great pioneers in the early Christian ministries in Britain/ America. It has been attributed to him as winning over a million souls to Christ over his lifetime...through the foolish efforts of one poor man of no consequence. For he knew only the spirit of the law (Word), but not the letter of the law (word.)
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Thank you for sharing the story and for not denying me for simplicity. Still got heaps of time to learn. :)

I believe that when the square becomes the circle, great wonders can be achieved. This is how I would interpret the message above. It was a very well chosen story which resonated well.

Would you mind explaining to me what would the following sentence mean to you : To leave God for God.

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43009116


With somewhat little information coming forth from the statement, I can only assume someone wrote this toward someone else. If this is true I would interpret it to mean. "to cease from acting like God, to discover the real God," type concept. Or it could mean "leave God, as a favor to God." This is the best I can come up with from this short sentence. However, it may me something completely different depending on the ambiance in which it was spoken.

Hope that might have helped some.
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Thank you again. Those interpretations of yours are very wise.

The way it was spoken to me was meaningful, it was a time i doubted abt my faith and was doing some serious work on myself. This guy came straight to me asking where i was coming from and then said those words in my mother tongue.

He then said that a few years back, a pastor came to his village in the middle of nowhere to preach and taught him those words.

I took them as a confirmation that i indeed for sometime deviated from the path but that The Spirit already knew it was for the good. The myriad of signs that followed could only confirm it.

Those few words stoke me like a lightning as you can imagine!

One love,
D.
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The 2 witnesses are Jesus(the last Adam) and his twin flame,(sister/bride)..the 2 anointed ones.
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Not to question your reasoning, because it was not so presented. I will however, make a few comments on your speculation of what the scriptures declares openly, and not simply on what is man's misinterpretation of the word.

First of all Jesus cannot possible be classified as the last Adam. According to scripture the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

[1Cor.15:45kjv] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


to quicken in this instance, means to bring to life.

Jesus the living Son of God. Whose spirit has always been the omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient second member of the Godhead, cannot, never has had, and never will need, to be brought to life! The only way a spirit can be quickened is for it to be dead! The spirit of Jesus Christ has never died and cannot die as God is that spirit. His body died, but his spirit never can. No form of death can reside in God, the very spirit of life; who created all living things.

Yet, all men (generically speaking) comes forth dead in their spirit. For through the fall of mankind, all spirits residing within all mankind are dead. Even as God's word declared on that day. ("The day ye eat thereof, ye shall surely die.") All spirits therefore, until a regeneration transpires through the redemptive force of Christ' quickening of that dead spirit, it remains dead.

Therefore, that last Adam spoken of in this verse is not Jesus, but a progeny of Adam. Jesus is not so for his linage is after his Father God, not Adam, but his Father through the virgin birth.

It further states in [Rev.11] that these two men are prophets [Rev.11:10]. That their bodies will lay in the street three and one half days [Rev.11:11]. so seeing as how the bride of Christ is possibly a multitude of people, that would be more than two bodies.

So more than likely the two witnesses cannot be the bride or Jesus.
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Hello guys.

Very interesting thread.

Could anyone help me understand about the following:
Psalm 2:7
Psalm 2:8
Psalm 2:9

And also, is there any possible link between:
Zec 4:14 & psalm 83:19

(I got 83:19 from the following source, it seems that it is not clear if the 83:19 actually exist? any comment on this as well?)

www.bibal.net/04/proso/psalms-ii/pdf/dlc_ps083-001-d.pdf&#820​6;
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:'((
Anyone you can help me understand the above?
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This will be a bit of a long answer so bear with me:
Christians can see the volume of the book is about God and his Son Jesus but what they can't see is the hidden layer of Jesus and his Son Adam. Jesus wants Adam to have dominion over over everything as was the plan in Genesis 1.

So people have been programmed to believe every verse that deals with kingship automatically goes in the "this is Jesus" file....and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the verses but there is a secondary fulfillment hidden because people can't remember that Jesus' wanted Adam to have dominion over the earth and everything in it including the people.

The volume of the bible is about God and his Son

1 John 5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We know from scripture "the word" is Jesus and Jesus created everything(John chapter 1)

Jesus created his son Adam in the likeness and image of Jesus

Genesis 5 tells us Adam was created both male and female and called Adam:
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;


Genesis 5:
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



To be created in the likeness and image of Jesus is to be created both masculine and feminine, the masculine representing kingship and the feminine representing priesthood as we know Jesus is both King and Priest after the order of melchelzedek having no beginning or ending so therefore Jesus was always King and Priest and Adam being after the likeness and image of Jesus was created king and priest then separated in the garden Adam keeping the kingship and Eve the priesthood



Chapter 1 of Genesis shows Adam being created in heaven chapter 2 shows Adam being placed in a flesh body on earth
and Eve coming forth from Adam and taking one side(priesthood side) of Adam and Adam keeping the kingship side so Adam can reproduce and make the physical kingdom.



Jesus' plan for Adam and when I say Adam I mean Adam and Eve as Eve came forth from Adam and is one side(priesthood) of Adam, was for Adam to have dominion over all creation.



Genesis 1:28:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



To have dominion there are only 2 things that make up dominion in a world

1. Government(kingship)
2. Religion(priesthood)

these are the 2 things that run a world and Adam and Eve were both promised dominion. Adam the kingship so there is only one other office left to fill which leaves Eve the priesthood





So now the answer to your question:

Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
This also is showing the man-child of Rev. 12 that rules the nations with a "rod of iron" but I'm trying to keep this short


So the question is:

Do you think this is Jesus receiving the heathen for inheritance and all the earth for his possession? Or is it Jesus giving his son Adam(the king) the inheritance and all the earth for possession as was intended in Genesis 1?





To me Adam represent the kingship on earth of Jesus' Kingship in heaven and Eve represents the priesthood on earth of Jesus' Priesthood in heaven as Jesus is both KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek and Adam and Eve represent the levitical priesthood that was promised to be eternal and davidic kingship also promised to be eternal on earth. These 2 offices levitic(levi) and davidic(judah) are 2 different tribes and can't be fulfilled by one person or it automatically cancels out the levitic and davidic and turns it into a melchelzedek priesthood and kingship and this is not what needs fulfilled as Jesus already fulfilled that office which is a heavenly office and the dominion is promised to be of the earth.

I'm not saying the 2 witnesses will be in male and female physical bodies in the last days because the only purpose of Eve being in a female body in the beginning was to create the kingdom. On the contrary I believe the 2 witnesses will be in the flesh bodies of 2 males but the spirit in those 2 witnesses will be the firstborn Adam and Eve.

When the 2 witnesses arrive I believe they will fulfill their purpose in the offices or roles that were shown of those in the bible. For example the first office that will be utilized is the office of Elijah before the "day of the Lord" to try to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and vice versa...notice the offices that the 2 witnesses will use are going to be of a separation of a priest and king type: here are some examples:

Eve offices:
Elijah = priesthood
Joshua = priesthood (zechariah Joshua)
Aaron = priesthood

Adam offices:
Moses = kingship
Zerubabbel = kingship
Enoch = kingship

I'm just going to stop here so the answer doesn't get overly long.
 Quoting: waterman


That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

One Love,
D.
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I do not believe you have grasp the aspect of the purpose of the man-child's mission. That is why you believe that the man-child will not be aware of himself until that appointed time. Yet the scripture's make it clear that he will come to know who he is through visons and visitations from the Most High. and he shall be dismayed by the epiphany of it all (Isa.41:10) One of the man-child's mission is not to introduce the two witnesses to one another, but he is one of the two witnesses. Yet, God has hid him in the midst of his own generation and concealed him for many purposes. One of those purposes is to magnify (make clear) the law (word) that men may see its true meaning, making it honorable before all [Isa.42:21].

The man-child is hid in the shadow of God's hand. His Father has hid him as an arrow in his quiver. These are the words of [Isa.49:2 kjv].

You see men have always been taught that these verses in [Isa. chapters 41-52] is God the Father speaking of his son. Yet, again man's interpretation does not line up with scripture. You see first of all God the Father has no shadow to hid anyone in his hand...symbolically or otherwise, neither does the Holy Spirit. For both entities are made-up of spirit. That is why the word declares the Father of lights has no SHADOW of turning [James.1:17]. Only Jesus of the Trinity posses a shadow. For he alone of the three has a body of flesh and bone.

This is the same God (Jesus) speaking in these chapters about his son whom he has hidden in the shadow of his hand (the hand is a symbolism of his work). These chapters are speaking about a new thing that shall spring forth in the last days. It will suddenly appear and surprise everyone. The nations will be started for they knew not of its hidden proclamation. For men had not seen the correct interpretation. They had been taught wrongly, by those who saw not the visions with eyes open. So when the man-child comes forth he will startle many

[Isa.52:15] So shall he sprinkle (in the original writing of the Hebrew it reads), (so shall he startle) many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told to them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

So yes, much of scripture's meaning is still hid from man, but throughout scripture all of that man-child...the last day man...remains hidden. Until his time of revealing is ordained at God's beckoning. Then afterwards, shall he stand in the midst of the congregation and sing his praises of a new song. Then in those days shall he be shot forth as an arrow into the hearts of many people, for the glory of his God. Then shall the world awaken to many great exploits of the children of the Most High. Even greater works than their Lord, as was promised by him.

Of course this is only how I see it. I am aware that there are many interpretations of God's Holy Word.
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Summing up this entire thread about a religion that worships a tyrant "god" : : : :bsflag:
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Religion is the tyrant, and the teachings of those perversions that make God appear as such. Many get into religion in their youth and then in their later years only see the hypocrisy of it all. But instead of understanding that God is now revealing to them the truth of their folly, they accuse God wrongly for their own misdirection. Religion is one of Satan's greatest weapons toward the destruction of the human soul.

Religion is a system. Jesus is an individual. Find the individual, and you will experience an inward witness of the true nature of God; God is love, peace and joy. Follow the religious system and you will be complaining all the way to hell and beyond. Nevertheless, you will be in the company of many multitudes who believes in the same system that will lead them to a fallacious salvation.

All people believe in something, even if it is themselves. This is the way man is programed, to fill the void. Much better to believe in an individual, than a system...the choice rest in the hands of each of us.
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The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) is known as the "hidden day"

It is also the known as the "day of jacobs trouble"

Feast of trumpets is known as "the day of the Lord" and is a dark day and in my opinion the day America is judged as Rosh hashanah is known as a day of judgement.

When America is judged I believe God will send Elijah to give the warning that the day of the Lord is about to arrive

To me 40 means testing, probation or trial. So 40 days before the day of the Lord comes and judgement comes upon the nation God will send Elijah with a 40 day call to repentance just as Ninevah received 40 day warning

The bible says in the end ninevah will rise up to testify against an evil generation

Jesus used this verse but I believe Elijah will also if he gives a 40 day warning of repentance:

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


From the first day Elijah arrives we should be able to count 40 days for the true "hidden day" known as Rosh Hashanah(Feast of trumpets) and that day will not be a good day for many.

Here is a good video on Rosh Hashanah...I don't agree Rosh Hashanah will be on Tishri 1. I believe that is only the rehearsal day to keep practicing until the true "hidden day" Feast of Trumpet comes. Because I believe there are 10.5 years from the fisrt day of Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) until the death of the two witnesses and what will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement) because the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah(feast of trumpets) and yom kippur(day of atonement) represent the 10 years(3.5 jacobs trouble and then 7 years tribulation) of awe and not just 10 days that are rehearsed on the fall feast days.

Anyway I look for Elijah to show up 40 days before the day of the Lord(Rosh Hashanah) so if the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet happens October 6 2013 brings forth Eliah this year the true Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) will be Nov. 14/15 2013

womanmoonsun

The next time the sign of the woman clothed with the sun happens is next year and it will be Sept 27 2014 and 40 days later will be Nov. 6/7 2014



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The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) is known as the "hidden day"

It is also the known as the "day of jacobs trouble"

Feast of trumpets is known as "the day of the Lord" and is a dark day and in my opinion the day America is judged as Rosh hashanah is known as a day of judgement.

When America is judged I believe God will send Elijah to give the warning that the day of the Lord is about to arrive

To me 40 means testing, probation or trial. So 40 days before the day of the Lord comes and judgement comes upon the nation God will send Elijah with a 40 day call to repentance just as Ninevah received 40 day warning

The bible says in the end ninevah will rise up to testify against an evil generation

Jesus used this verse but I believe Elijah will also if he gives a 40 day warning of repentance:

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


From the first day Elijah arrives we should be able to count 40 days for the true "hidden day" known as Rosh Hashanah(Feast of trumpets) and that day will not be a good day for many.

Here is a good video on Rosh Hashanah...I don't agree Rosh Hashanah will be on Tishri 1. I believe that is only the rehearsal day to keep practicing until the true "hidden day" Feast of Trumpet comes. Because I believe there are 10.5 years from the fisrt day of Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) until the death of the two witnesses and what will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement) because the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah(feast of trumpets) and yom kippur(day of atonement) represent the 10 years(3.5 jacobs trouble and then 7 years tribulation) of awe and not just 10 days that are rehearsed on the fall feast days.

Anyway I look for Elijah to show up 40 days before the day of the Lord(Rosh Hashanah) so if the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet happens October 6 2013 brings forth Eliah this year the true Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) will be Nov. 14/15 2013

:womanmoonsun:

The next time the sign of the woman clothed with the sun happens is next year and it will be Sept 27 2014 and 40 days later will be Nov. 6/7 2014


 Quoting: waterman


Maybe I am missing something here, but it looks to me as if Rosh Hashanah falls on Sept 5th of this year, not Oct or Nov. Please enlighten me of any misconception. Or are you simply seeking to make another point I am not grasping.
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The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) is known as the "hidden day"

It is also the known as the "day of jacobs trouble"

Feast of trumpets is known as "the day of the Lord" and is a dark day and in my opinion the day America is judged as Rosh hashanah is known as a day of judgement.

When America is judged I believe God will send Elijah to give the warning that the day of the Lord is about to arrive

To me 40 means testing, probation or trial. So 40 days before the day of the Lord comes and judgement comes upon the nation God will send Elijah with a 40 day call to repentance just as Ninevah received 40 day warning

The bible says in the end ninevah will rise up to testify against an evil generation

Jesus used this verse but I believe Elijah will also if he gives a 40 day warning of repentance:

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


From the first day Elijah arrives we should be able to count 40 days for the true "hidden day" known as Rosh Hashanah(Feast of trumpets) and that day will not be a good day for many.

Here is a good video on Rosh Hashanah...I don't agree Rosh Hashanah will be on Tishri 1. I believe that is only the rehearsal day to keep practicing until the true "hidden day" Feast of Trumpet comes. Because I believe there are 10.5 years from the fisrt day of Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) until the death of the two witnesses and what will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement) because the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah(feast of trumpets) and yom kippur(day of atonement) represent the 10 years(3.5 jacobs trouble and then 7 years tribulation) of awe and not just 10 days that are rehearsed on the fall feast days.

Anyway I look for Elijah to show up 40 days before the day of the Lord(Rosh Hashanah) so if the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet happens October 6 2013 brings forth Eliah this year the true Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) will be Nov. 14/15 2013

:womanmoonsun:

The next time the sign of the woman clothed with the sun happens is next year and it will be Sept 27 2014 and 40 days later will be Nov. 6/7 2014


 Quoting: waterman


Maybe I am missing something here, but it looks to me as if Rosh Hashanah falls on Sept 5th of this year, not Oct or Nov. Please enlighten me of any misconception. Or are you simply seeking to make another point I am not grasping.
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Never mind I read further into your post. See what you are saying now...of course not agreeing with you still. It does not line up with the Sept time of the crescent moon, length of the day, the day of 7 etc, as I revealed to you long ago. Nevertheless, time will soon reveal all.
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The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) is known as the "hidden day"

It is also the known as the "day of jacobs trouble"

Feast of trumpets is known as "the day of the Lord" and is a dark day and in my opinion the day America is judged as Rosh hashanah is known as a day of judgement.

When America is judged I believe God will send Elijah to give the warning that the day of the Lord is about to arrive

To me 40 means testing, probation or trial. So 40 days before the day of the Lord comes and judgement comes upon the nation God will send Elijah with a 40 day call to repentance just as Ninevah received 40 day warning

The bible says in the end ninevah will rise up to testify against an evil generation

Jesus used this verse but I believe Elijah will also if he gives a 40 day warning of repentance:

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


From the first day Elijah arrives we should be able to count 40 days for the true "hidden day" known as Rosh Hashanah(Feast of trumpets) and that day will not be a good day for many.

Here is a good video on Rosh Hashanah...I don't agree Rosh Hashanah will be on Tishri 1. I believe that is only the rehearsal day to keep practicing until the true "hidden day" Feast of Trumpet comes. Because I believe there are 10.5 years from the fisrt day of Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) until the death of the two witnesses and what will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement) because the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah(feast of trumpets) and yom kippur(day of atonement) represent the 10 years(3.5 jacobs trouble and then 7 years tribulation) of awe and not just 10 days that are rehearsed on the fall feast days.

Anyway I look for Elijah to show up 40 days before the day of the Lord(Rosh Hashanah) so if the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet happens October 6 2013 brings forth Eliah this year the true Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) will be Nov. 14/15 2013

womanmoonsun

The next time the sign of the woman clothed with the sun happens is next year and it will be Sept 27 2014 and 40 days later will be Nov. 6/7 2014


 Quoting: waterman


Maybe I am missing something here, but it looks to me as if Rosh Hashanah falls on Sept 5th of this year, not Oct or Nov. Please enlighten me of any misconception. Or are you simply seeking to make another point I am not grasping.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


Never mind I read further into your post. See what you are saying now...of course not agreeing with you still. It does not line up with the Sept time of the crescent moon, length of the day, the day of 7 etc, as I revealed to you long ago. Nevertheless, time will soon reveal all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


The purpose of the crescent moon was to say the feast was not official until 2 witnesses saw the crescent moon declared the day. The fall feast of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are starting and ending with the involvement of the 2 witnesses of Revelation(introduction and ending of both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur)

Elijah introduces the Rosh Hashanah(day of judgement) day when he gives his 40 day warning and when the 2 witnesses die 10.5 years later it will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement)

God doesn't care about the fall feast rehearsals(which is what Feast of trumpets is a rehearsal for the true hidden date) he cares about the true "hidden day" of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.....Rosh Hashanah practiced every year on Tishri 1 is like practicing a fire drill every year on the same date and then the real fire comes on a day you don't expect it(hidden day).

Isaiah 1:14:
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary of bearing them.

Amos 5:
20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.(God hates the rehearsal days not the true feast days as they will be celebrated for eternity)...Amos is speaking of day of the lord which is Rosh Hashanah and solemn assembly is known to be speaking of Yom Kippur.

If God changes his mind and the appointed feasts(rehearsals) stop being trouble to him and he stops being weary of bearing them and his soul stops hating them then Sept 5 2013 being the rehearsal feast will bring the day of the lord and Elijah will show up 40 days prior to Sepetember 5 2013 bringing the arrival date of Elijah to:

July 28, 2013

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The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) is known as the "hidden day"

It is also the known as the "day of jacobs trouble"

Feast of trumpets is known as "the day of the Lord" and is a dark day and in my opinion the day America is judged as Rosh hashanah is known as a day of judgement.

When America is judged I believe God will send Elijah to give the warning that the day of the Lord is about to arrive

To me 40 means testing, probation or trial. So 40 days before the day of the Lord comes and judgement comes upon the nation God will send Elijah with a 40 day call to repentance just as Ninevah received 40 day warning

The bible says in the end ninevah will rise up to testify against an evil generation

Jesus used this verse but I believe Elijah will also if he gives a 40 day warning of repentance:

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


From the first day Elijah arrives we should be able to count 40 days for the true "hidden day" known as Rosh Hashanah(Feast of trumpets) and that day will not be a good day for many.

Here is a good video on Rosh Hashanah...I don't agree Rosh Hashanah will be on Tishri 1. I believe that is only the rehearsal day to keep practicing until the true "hidden day" Feast of Trumpet comes. Because I believe there are 10.5 years from the fisrt day of Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) until the death of the two witnesses and what will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement) because the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah(feast of trumpets) and yom kippur(day of atonement) represent the 10 years(3.5 jacobs trouble and then 7 years tribulation) of awe and not just 10 days that are rehearsed on the fall feast days.

Anyway I look for Elijah to show up 40 days before the day of the Lord(Rosh Hashanah) so if the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon at her feet happens October 6 2013 brings forth Eliah this year the true Rosh Hashanah(Feast of Trumpets) will be Nov. 14/15 2013

:womanmoonsun:

The next time the sign of the woman clothed with the sun happens is next year and it will be Sept 27 2014 and 40 days later will be Nov. 6/7 2014


 Quoting: waterman


Maybe I am missing something here, but it looks to me as if Rosh Hashanah falls on Sept 5th of this year, not Oct or Nov. Please enlighten me of any misconception. Or are you simply seeking to make another point I am not grasping.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


Never mind I read further into your post. See what you are saying now...of course not agreeing with you still. It does not line up with the Sept time of the crescent moon, length of the day, the day of 7 etc, as I revealed to you long ago. Nevertheless, time will soon reveal all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


The purpose of the crescent moon was to say the feast was not official until 2 witnesses saw the crescent moon declared the day. The fall feast of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are starting and ending with the involvement of the 2 witnesses of Revelation(introduction and ending of both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur)

Elijah introduces the Rosh Hashanah(day of judgement) day when he gives his 40 day warning and when the 2 witnesses die 10.5 years later it will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement)

God doesn't care about the fall feast rehearsals(which is what Feast of trumpets is a rehearsal for the true hidden date) he cares about the true "hidden day" of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.....Rosh Hashanah practiced every year on Tishri 1 is like practicing a fire drill every year on the same date and then the real fire comes on a day you don't expect it(hidden day).

Isaiah 1:14:
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary of bearing them.

Amos 5:
20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.(God hates the rehearsal days not the true feast days as they will be celebrated for eternity)...Amos is speaking of day of the lord which is Rosh Hashanah and solemn assembly is known to be speaking of Yom Kippur.

If God changes his mind and the appointed feasts(rehearsals) stop being trouble to him and he stops being weary of bearing them and his soul stops hating them then Sept 5 2013 being the rehearsal feast will bring the day of the lord and Elijah will show up 40 days prior to Sepetember 5 2013 bringing the arrival date of Elijah to:

July 28, 2013
 Quoting: waterman


Listen whatever you say. If I cannot convince you otherwise after all these different attempts, I am not going to now. This is not patterned on the day you believe. I know you believe in this hidden day theory, but apparently it can't be that hidden... you seemed to have found it quickly enough. And if now, as you believe, you are exposing it to everyone that will listen, it is diffidently not hidden now. If God had a hidden day plan, as you suggest, it is exposed now. Seems to me as a counter claim on God's purposed intention, if you expose it to every Tom, Dick and Harry you can. Not to mention Mary, sue and Jane. Just saying.
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Maybe I am missing something here, but it looks to me as if Rosh Hashanah falls on Sept 5th of this year, not Oct or Nov. Please enlighten me of any misconception. Or are you simply seeking to make another point I am not grasping.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


Never mind I read further into your post. See what you are saying now...of course not agreeing with you still. It does not line up with the Sept time of the crescent moon, length of the day, the day of 7 etc, as I revealed to you long ago. Nevertheless, time will soon reveal all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


The purpose of the crescent moon was to say the feast was not official until 2 witnesses saw the crescent moon declared the day. The fall feast of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are starting and ending with the involvement of the 2 witnesses of Revelation(introduction and ending of both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur)

Elijah introduces the Rosh Hashanah(day of judgement) day when he gives his 40 day warning and when the 2 witnesses die 10.5 years later it will be considered Yom Kippur(day of atonement)

God doesn't care about the fall feast rehearsals(which is what Feast of trumpets is a rehearsal for the true hidden date) he cares about the true "hidden day" of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.....Rosh Hashanah practiced every year on Tishri 1 is like practicing a fire drill every year on the same date and then the real fire comes on a day you don't expect it(hidden day).

Isaiah 1:14:
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary of bearing them.

Amos 5:
20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.(God hates the rehearsal days not the true feast days as they will be celebrated for eternity)...Amos is speaking of day of the lord which is Rosh Hashanah and solemn assembly is known to be speaking of Yom Kippur.

If God changes his mind and the appointed feasts(rehearsals) stop being trouble to him and he stops being weary of bearing them and his soul stops hating them then Sept 5 2013 being the rehearsal feast will bring the day of the lord and Elijah will show up 40 days prior to Sepetember 5 2013 bringing the arrival date of Elijah to:

July 28, 2013
 Quoting: waterman


Listen whatever you say. If I cannot convince you otherwise after all these different attempts, I am not going to now. This is not patterned on the day you believe. I know you believe in this hidden day theory, but apparently it can't be that hidden... you seemed to have found it quickly enough. And if now, as you believe, you are exposing it to everyone that will listen, it is diffidently not hidden now. If God had a hidden day plan, as you suggest, it is exposed now. Seems to me as a counter claim on God's purposed intention, if you expose it to every Tom, Dick and Harry you can. Not to mention Mary, sue and Jane. Just saying.
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Paul says the day of the Lord will not come upon us unexpected as we are children of the light......something is only hidden until it is to be revealed:......When Elijah comes we will know perfectly well the day of the Lord is near and I'm sure he will give the 40 day call to repentance just as jonah did for ninevah.....that is how the children of the light will know when the day of the lord is because they will believe Elijah when he appears.

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
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If I told you guys what I know; I would have to write a book and you would write your own book about it in the next year!! So stay in touch with me and we will communicate later!!
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Usually, books come with a summary on the last page, why don't you start with that? :))
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Excellent suggestion. I would be intrigued to possible find some new insight from one who professes to possible have some.
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If I told you guys what I know; I would have to write a book and you would write your own book about it in the next year!! So stay in touch with me and we will communicate later!!
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Usually, books come with a summary on the last page, why don't you start with that? :))
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Excellent suggestion. I would be intrigued to possible find some new insight from one who professes to possible have some.
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So now we play the waiting game.
Btw ac 227, could you also comment on my question about the dragon year being followed by the snake year?
Or would you consider (as i may assume) that you already covered it in one of your comments above?
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This will be a bit of a long answer so bear with me:
Christians can see the volume of the book is about God and his Son Jesus but what they can't see is the hidden layer of Jesus and his Son Adam. Jesus wants Adam to have dominion over over everything as was the plan in Genesis 1.

So people have been programmed to believe every verse that deals with kingship automatically goes in the "this is Jesus" file....and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the verses but there is a secondary fulfillment hidden because people can't remember that Jesus' wanted Adam to have dominion over the earth and everything in it including the people.

The volume of the bible is about God and his Son

1 John 5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We know from scripture "the word" is Jesus and Jesus created everything(John chapter 1)

Jesus created his son Adam in the likeness and image of Jesus

Genesis 5 tells us Adam was created both male and female and called Adam:
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;


Genesis 5:
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



To be created in the likeness and image of Jesus is to be created both masculine and feminine, the masculine representing kingship and the feminine representing priesthood as we know Jesus is both King and Priest after the order of melchelzedek having no beginning or ending so therefore Jesus was always King and Priest and Adam being after the likeness and image of Jesus was created king and priest then separated in the garden Adam keeping the kingship and Eve the priesthood



Chapter 1 of Genesis shows Adam being created in heaven chapter 2 shows Adam being placed in a flesh body on earth
and Eve coming forth from Adam and taking one side(priesthood side) of Adam and Adam keeping the kingship side so Adam can reproduce and make the physical kingdom.



Jesus' plan for Adam and when I say Adam I mean Adam and Eve as Eve came forth from Adam and is one side(priesthood) of Adam, was for Adam to have dominion over all creation.



Genesis 1:28:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



To have dominion there are only 2 things that make up dominion in a world

1. Government(kingship)
2. Religion(priesthood)

these are the 2 things that run a world and Adam and Eve were both promised dominion. Adam the kingship so there is only one other office left to fill which leaves Eve the priesthood





So now the answer to your question:

Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
This also is showing the man-child of Rev. 12 that rules the nations with a "rod of iron" but I'm trying to keep this short


So the question is:

Do you think this is Jesus receiving the heathen for inheritance and all the earth for his possession? Or is it Jesus giving his son Adam(the king) the inheritance and all the earth for possession as was intended in Genesis 1?





To me Adam represent the kingship on earth of Jesus' Kingship in heaven and Eve represents the priesthood on earth of Jesus' Priesthood in heaven as Jesus is both KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek and Adam and Eve represent the levitical priesthood that was promised to be eternal and davidic kingship also promised to be eternal on earth. These 2 offices levitic(levi) and davidic(judah) are 2 different tribes and can't be fulfilled by one person or it automatically cancels out the levitic and davidic and turns it into a melchelzedek priesthood and kingship and this is not what needs fulfilled as Jesus already fulfilled that office which is a heavenly office and the dominion is promised to be of the earth.

I'm not saying the 2 witnesses will be in male and female physical bodies in the last days because the only purpose of Eve being in a female body in the beginning was to create the kingdom. On the contrary I believe the 2 witnesses will be in the flesh bodies of 2 males but the spirit in those 2 witnesses will be the firstborn Adam and Eve.

When the 2 witnesses arrive I believe they will fulfill their purpose in the offices or roles that were shown of those in the bible. For example the first office that will be utilized is the office of Elijah before the "day of the Lord" to try to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and vice versa...notice the offices that the 2 witnesses will use are going to be of a separation of a priest and king type: here are some examples:

Eve offices:
Elijah = priesthood
Joshua = priesthood (zechariah Joshua)
Aaron = priesthood

Adam offices:
Moses = kingship
Zerubabbel = kingship
Enoch = kingship

I'm just going to stop here so the answer doesn't get overly long.
 Quoting: waterman


That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

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I do not believe you have grasp the aspect of the purpose of the man-child's mission. That is why you believe that the man-child will not be aware of himself until that appointed time. Yet the scripture's make it clear that he will come to know who he is through visons and visitations from the Most High. and he shall be dismayed by the epiphany of it all (Isa.41:10) One of the man-child's mission is not to introduce the two witnesses to one another, but he is one of the two witnesses. Yet, God has hid him in the midst of his own generation and concealed him for many purposes. One of those purposes is to magnify (make clear) the law (word) that men may see its true meaning, making it honorable before all [Isa.42:21].

The man-child is hid in the shadow of God's hand. His Father has hid him as an arrow in his quiver. These are the words of [Isa.49:2 kjv].

You see men have always been taught that these verses in [Isa. chapters 41-52] is God the Father speaking of his son. Yet, again man's interpretation does not line up with scripture. You see first of all God the Father has no shadow to hid anyone in his hand...symbolically or otherwise, neither does the Holy Spirit. For both entities are made-up of spirit. That is why the word declares the Father of lights has no SHADOW of turning [James.1:17]. Only Jesus of the Trinity posses a shadow. For he alone of the three has a body of flesh and bone.

This is the same God (Jesus) speaking in these chapters about his son whom he has hidden in the shadow of his hand (the hand is a symbolism of his work). These chapters are speaking about a new thing that shall spring forth in the last days. It will suddenly appear and surprise everyone. The nations will be started for they knew not of its hidden proclamation. For men had not seen the correct interpretation. They had been taught wrongly, by those who saw not the visions with eyes open. So when the man-child comes forth he will startle many

[Isa.52:15] So shall he sprinkle (in the original writing of the Hebrew it reads), (so shall he startle) many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told to them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

So yes, much of scripture's meaning is still hid from man, but throughout scripture all of that man-child...the last day man...remains hidden. Until his time of revealing is ordained at God's beckoning. Then afterwards, shall he stand in the midst of the congregation and sing his praises of a new song. Then in those days shall he be shot forth as an arrow into the hearts of many people, for the glory of his God. Then shall the world awaken to many great exploits of the children of the Most High. Even greater works than their Lord, as was promised by him.

Of course this is only how I see it. I am aware that there are many interpretations of God's Holy Word.
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Thank you.
Let me digest that and get back to you.
One Love
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Digested.

Would you recomment some good sources of info related to the man-child?

I believe you are spot on on the fact that he had to be hidden by god so that he could experience himself and figure out his mission. I would further develop that it may have been through a veil imposed after he will receive his first revelation from the Most High.

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If I told you guys what I know; I would have to write a book and you would write your own book about it in the next year!! So stay in touch with me and we will communicate later!!
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Usually, books come with a summary on the last page, why don't you start with that? :))
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Excellent suggestion. I would be intrigued to possible find some new insight from one who professes to possible have some.
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So now we play the waiting game.
Btw ac 227, could you also comment on my question about the dragon year being followed by the snake year?
Or would you consider (as i may assume) that you already covered it in one of your comments above?
One Love.
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I will look into your question about the dragon year and the snake year in the next few days, but right now it is 4am and I need to get some sleep.
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That's what I call a complete answer, thanks Waterman!

I do agree on the part where you say that many messages are hidden in the bible. I think it is up to the spirit to reveal specific messages to every one willing to listen.
What I see tho, is that the message is kind of personalized and can only be understood or interpreted by the one the message was adressed / aimed to. That could explain why people just keep on arguing on different verses and interpretations every day in life or on forums without most of the time concrete results. But it gets interesting for outsiders like me willing to improve their knowledge. :)

To develop a little more on the psalms mentioned above:
It seems that this message is directed to the manchild so it would seem that he will not be aware of who he actually is until he has received "God's confirmation."

The parallel that I make with the next 2 verses from Zec and Pslam is that the message from god about the fact that manchild has finally been begotten shall come in a shape of confirmation from the two witnesses that would recognize him.

Now, my theory would be as follows:

Manchild knows that he's different and receiving the spirit every day but he is not aware of his place in God's plan.
He would have received the gift of recognizing God's chosen ones and bring them together. In the chosen one shall be the 2 witnesses that the man child could even introduce to each others.

To try to give also my opinion about another post above about the meaning of: "Turning the hearts of the children to the Father", well it could mean providing guidance to people who have lost their ways to God. And by that I do not mean endless speeches about how bad they gonna burn in Hell if they do not rectify their path, but more about reminded them that there is hope, that there is love, that there are literally millions of miracles happening around them daily and try to make them recognize them. This could be their way to salvation.

How possible would this be based on the time frame of the scriptures that you are very well versed in? I do not have much knowledge about the scriptures that's why I am seeking your guidance. (now mentioning AC 227 too :)))

One Love,
D.
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I do not believe you have grasp the aspect of the purpose of the man-child's mission. That is why you believe that the man-child will not be aware of himself until that appointed time. Yet the scripture's make it clear that he will come to know who he is through visons and visitations from the Most High. and he shall be dismayed by the epiphany of it all (Isa.41:10) One of the man-child's mission is not to introduce the two witnesses to one another, but he is one of the two witnesses. Yet, God has hid him in the midst of his own generation and concealed him for many purposes. One of those purposes is to magnify (make clear) the law (word) that men may see its true meaning, making it honorable before all [Isa.42:21].

The man-child is hid in the shadow of God's hand. His Father has hid him as an arrow in his quiver. These are the words of [Isa.49:2 kjv].

You see men have always been taught that these verses in [Isa. chapters 41-52] is God the Father speaking of his son. Yet, again man's interpretation does not line up with scripture. You see first of all God the Father has no shadow to hid anyone in his hand...symbolically or otherwise, neither does the Holy Spirit. For both entities are made-up of spirit. That is why the word declares the Father of lights has no SHADOW of turning [James.1:17]. Only Jesus of the Trinity posses a shadow. For he alone of the three has a body of flesh and bone.

This is the same God (Jesus) speaking in these chapters about his son whom he has hidden in the shadow of his hand (the hand is a symbolism of his work). These chapters are speaking about a new thing that shall spring forth in the last days. It will suddenly appear and surprise everyone. The nations will be started for they knew not of its hidden proclamation. For men had not seen the correct interpretation. They had been taught wrongly, by those who saw not the visions with eyes open. So when the man-child comes forth he will startle many

[Isa.52:15] So shall he sprinkle (in the original writing of the Hebrew it reads), (so shall he startle) many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told to them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

So yes, much of scripture's meaning is still hid from man, but throughout scripture all of that man-child...the last day man...remains hidden. Until his time of revealing is ordained at God's beckoning. Then afterwards, shall he stand in the midst of the congregation and sing his praises of a new song. Then in those days shall he be shot forth as an arrow into the hearts of many people, for the glory of his God. Then shall the world awaken to many great exploits of the children of the Most High. Even greater works than their Lord, as was promised by him.

Of course this is only how I see it. I am aware that there are many interpretations of God's Holy Word.
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Thank you.
Let me digest that and get back to you.
One Love
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Digested.

Would you recomment some good sources of info related to the man-child?

I believe you are spot on on the fact that he had to be hidden by god so that he could experience himself and figure out his mission. I would further develop that it may have been through a veil imposed after he will receive his first revelation from the Most High.

One Love.
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In my personal opinion there are no good sources relating to the meaning of the man-child. Sorry.
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Re: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013
You can't find in Scripture where a son calls his mother
woman except for Our Lord. Why does Our Lord repeatedly call His mother "woman" in the Gospel?

Mary is the royal sounding "woman" in Revelation 12:1. Read
further on in Revelation 12, Mary is the "woman" who brought
forth the man-child.

Our Lord uses the words in thread title in this recent
message about His mother. rose rose rose

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source: [link to www.locutions.org]

Feb 16, 2013
2. The War Has Begun
Future Events

Jesus
I take the time to explain each part in great detail so the whole picture will be clear. The resignation of Pope Benedict is the beginning of the great war. It is now the hour of conflict when the armies of Satan rise up to destroy the Church. However, this resignation was a surprise, the Woman Clothed With the Sun took the initiative. Seeing all that is to come, she began the war. This surprise move has shifted everything. Now, Satan must adjust to the reality of the new pope who sees so clearly that this is the Age of Mary. The new pope will usher in this Age of Mary. He will take all the steps. He will not be deterred by any obstacle. He places no trust in his own powers and knows that the world can only be saved through the intervention of my Mother. He sees clearly what must be done and will not waste any time, in taking all the steps.