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Waterman - some scholars regard 1260 days as an equivalency (or reference) to the phrase "a time, times, and half a time" seeing as when we equate 'time' with 'year' we observe that 3.5 years is roughly 1275 days ( give or take depending on precise definitions), and that said phrase ('times') in context would be an applicable practical equality to 1260 days.

As for the woman...a great case can be made that this sign already occurred - a quick search on youtube will result in several excellent examples. Of course you have to skip the silly ones. I dont post one up simply because I do not want to preclude your own discovery of excellent vids, nor do I want any association with any particular video or viewpoint presented therein.

With regard to my personal opinion I will state only that the most compelling case for me suggests 2012 as the year of occurrence, but again this is all conjecture and should be treated as such.

I have also seen excellent cases for 2011, 2013, and 2016 presented.

Godbless!
 Quoting: synchrojet


Hello there,
Is it possible that the year of the dragon and the year of the snake following each other in chinese astrology could be also linked to the man child story?
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


There is a possibility that there may be some correlation between the two (man-child and dragon/snake years), but I wouldn't be overly concern that the meaning of it be of any great significance. Satan who is far more cunning in manipulating attempts at any and all aspects of God's implemented tactics, often seeks to bedevil a clear vision of any given pattern. Thus, relaying to the observer a nebulous depiction of the true pattern of God's intended purpose. In other words, Satan is always seeking to throw some confusing symbolism to obfuscate any sound explanation toward discerning the depiction of its true meaning. Satan often does this through many sources..including incorrect astrology deciphering. No intentional dig toward waterman in that last statement.
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The only thing I have a problem with this is that the Rev 12 sign signals the middle of the 7 year tribulation period which would mean the tribulation started 3 and half years ago as of Oct.6. on or about April 2010. I know things are bad, but not that bad yet. No way are we approaching the mid-trib point yet.

I know of someone who used Stellarium and discovered the Rev. 12 sign on September 23, 2017. You should check that date out in the Stellarium software. That might make more sense that the tribulation start date could be in March 2014.



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I believe there is something called jacobs trouble that lasts 42 months and is the period of time of the destruction and captivity of the united states as the united states is jacob. After this 42 months , then begins the 7 year tribulation.

Rev 2: 10 says we will have tribulation 10 days which represents 10 years just like it says in the midst of the week and the week represents 7 years
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Hey OP, nice Thread and I had one of my many friends send me an email on your subject matter.

I have an issue with your statement on Rev. 2:10 which says we will be in prison for 10 days.

Day or Days represent Christ.
All prophesies about Christ are given in day or days. Like the Lords DAY.
All the children of light prophesies are given in that same manner, like the two end time witness. They have 1260 DAYS.

All prophesies about Satan are given in MONTHS and MOONS.


And so you statement I have on 10 days means 10 years.

I have list of items in how prophesies are written using Years, month, days and hours.
Like Satan comes in the "hour of temptation".

LIke Christ pointing out in Mark 13:11 in that verse the word "hour" is being used to denote the "hour of temptation" in which the end time anti-Christ which is Satan himself is here defacto.
I know many think it is some man that is the anti-Christ but there is only one "son of perdition" as Paul writes in 2 Thess. 2:4 and he is Satan not some man. Perdition means, to perish gone, ca-put for ever and ever. And right now there is only one entity that has been judged. And we see that in Eze. 28 Where (Tyrus = Satan ) is judged and will perish at that the end of the millennium in front of all the children of God who are faithful.

So I don't see how 1260 days could mean 12600 years as an example of the two end time witness's as my thoughts on what you said about 10 days means 10 years.

I understand what your trying to prove, but I have an issue with the one thing you said. Otherwise OP, this is a good study and a good thread.
Thanks
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When I said there was 10 years of tribulation according to Rev 2:10, I don't believe everybody is going to endure the full 10 years as the verse states "SOME" of you will endure 10 days which I believe represents 10 years:

Rev. 2:10
Revelation 2:10

King James Version (KJV)

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.




I believe there will be a rapture either 40 days after the appearance of Elijah as promised in Malachi Elijah will arrive "BEFORE" the day of the Lord. The "day of the lord" to me is the judgement and destruction of the united states, and paul states in 1 Thessalonians when speaking of "the day of the lord"
1Thess 5:
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Depending on whose wrath we are being kept from(GODS wrath or 42 months later the release of Satan to the earth Satans wrath)
So either this is a rapture day or after the 42 months of Jacobs trouble will be a rapture point because the church of philadelphia is promised to be kept from the hour of temptation that is to come upon the whole earth.
Rev 3:10:
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth....Is the hour of temptation on the whole world the 42 months before the 7 year tribulation or is does it start at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation? Is the church of philadelphia kept from the entire 10.5 years or just the 7 years. Because I believe the first 42 months are judgement on 1 nation and after those 42 months begins the starvation of the world as the food source is cut off and then the "whole world" comes under tribulation.



Jeremiah 15 describes the "day of the lord" as 4 options:

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.

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I'm sure this is not the only interpretation of this verse but it is a possibility of one interpretation:


Malachi 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.



When Elijah comes, he will come not to win over the whole nation back to God as that would be impossible to do.

When Elijah comes, he will come to divide households and the nation into 2 groups or in other words he will turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and the hearts of the fathers to their children and when you see the 2 groups you will know God is their Father or Satan is their father:

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with evil to their evil father(satan)

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with Christ to their Father(God)

THE 2 GROUPS:

1. Mockers and Scoffers as in the days of Noah!
:daysofnoah:





2. Those who mourn, fast, weep and pray for repentance as in the days of Ninevah!
1daysof ninevah1



Possibly the 3rd group are those who are undecided and come to repentance or refusal during the 10 years of awe which will be the time to pick a side:

1. sons of light
2. sons of darkness

This 3rd group of undecided people are the reason the curse had to come because there has to be a furnace of affliction to make people pick either holy or not holy as you can only have 2 groups not 3 groups.......If Elijah can get everybody to pick a side (Father God) or (father satan) there would be no need to bring the curse and the furnace of affliction.
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not another date that will never happen - look what happened to the most hyped date in recent times 22 dec 2012, yea, mayans huuh. nothing happened remember.
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UUUUHHHHH I forgot all about that day.....thanks


hf
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i think the world needs awakening now we have gone far beyond the sodom & gomorra standards by now where the majority don't give a damn about themselves anymore
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not another date that will never happen - look what happened to the most hyped date in recent times 22 dec 2012, yea, mayans huuh. nothing happened remember.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43263216


UUUUHHHHH I forgot all about that day.....thanks


hf
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i think the world needs awakening now we have gone far beyond the sodom & gomorra standards by now where the majority don't give a damn about themselves anymore
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43263216


It does appear to be in a slumber
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Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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Waterman - some scholars regard 1260 days as an equivalency (or reference) to the phrase "a time, times, and half a time" seeing as when we equate 'time' with 'year' we observe that 3.5 years is roughly 1275 days ( give or take depending on precise definitions), and that said phrase ('times') in context would be an applicable practical equality to 1260 days.

As for the woman...a great case can be made that this sign already occurred - a quick search on youtube will result in several excellent examples. Of course you have to skip the silly ones. I dont post one up simply because I do not want to preclude your own discovery of excellent vids, nor do I want any association with any particular video or viewpoint presented therein.

With regard to my personal opinion I will state only that the most compelling case for me suggests 2012 as the year of occurrence, but again this is all conjecture and should be treated as such.

I have also seen excellent cases for 2011, 2013, and 2016 presented.

Godbless!
 Quoting: synchrojet


Hello there,
Is it possible that the year of the dragon and the year of the snake following each other in chinese astrology could be also linked to the man child story?
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


There is a possibility that there may be some correlation between the two (man-child and dragon/snake years), but I wouldn't be overly concern that the meaning of it be of any great significance. Satan who is far more cunning in manipulating attempts at any and all aspects of God's implemented tactics, often seeks to bedevil a clear vision of any given pattern. Thus, relaying to the observer a nebulous depiction of the true pattern of God's intended purpose. In other words, Satan is always seeking to throw some confusing symbolism to obfuscate any sound explanation toward discerning the depiction of its true meaning. Satan often does this through many sources..including incorrect astrology deciphering. No intentional dig toward waterman in that last statement.
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Thanks buddy.
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Blessed be the name of the Lord:



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Faithful and Truth
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Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.

James 3:4

Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.

James 3:4

Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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Faithful and Truth
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Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.

James 3:4

Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
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I'm sure this is not the only interpretation of this verse but it is a possibility of one interpretation:


Malachi 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.



When Elijah comes, he will come not to win over the whole nation back to God as that would be impossible to do.

When Elijah comes, he will come to divide households and the nation into 2 groups or in other words he will turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and the hearts of the fathers to their children and when you see the 2 groups you will know God is their Father or Satan is their father:

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with evil to their evil father(satan)

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with Christ to their Father(God)

THE 2 GROUPS:

1. Mockers and Scoffers as in the days of Noah!
:daysofnoah:





2. Those who mourn, fast, weep and pray for repentance as in the days of Ninevah!
:1daysof ninevah1:



Possibly the 3rd group are those who are undecided and come to repentance or refusal during the 10 years of awe which will be the time to pick a side:

1. sons of light
2. sons of darkness

This 3rd group of undecided people are the reason the curse had to come because there has to be a furnace of affliction to make people pick either holy or not holy as you can only have 2 groups not 3 groups.......If Elijah can get everybody to pick a side (Father God) or (father satan) there would be no need to bring the curse and the furnace of affliction.
 Quoting: waterman


These statements seem very offensive in the context of your own declaration. I hope you are not saying that even those who do not adhere to what you are claiming as the correct interpretation here is destined to go into the furnace of affliction. That is those who disagree and so call, scoff at your ideology. God does not punish those who stand their course in their honest belief.

As far as Elijah's message is concerned, not every believer will recognize the message and some will. Nevertheless, it is not based on what Elijah proclaims that will decide who enters the furnace, but their spiritual standing that will determine this. This is weighted by the order of God, not the determining factor of man's message and who believes what in that message.

Careful my brother, do not overstep God's good intention toward both fathers and sons. Threats are not the order of the day with the Father, but warning.

In the final analysis there are only two groups, the darkness and the light. God does not consign the lukewarm a second chance concerning salvation. He does not allow the true scoffers and mockers to pick sides, but spews them out of his mouth.
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I'm sure this is not the only interpretation of this verse but it is a possibility of one interpretation:


Malachi 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.



When Elijah comes, he will come not to win over the whole nation back to God as that would be impossible to do.

When Elijah comes, he will come to divide households and the nation into 2 groups or in other words he will turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and the hearts of the fathers to their children and when you see the 2 groups you will know God is their Father or Satan is their father:

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with evil to their evil father(satan)

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with Christ to their Father(God)

THE 2 GROUPS:

1. Mockers and Scoffers as in the days of Noah!
:daysofnoah:





2. Those who mourn, fast, weep and pray for repentance as in the days of Ninevah!
1daysof ninevah1



Possibly the 3rd group are those who are undecided and come to repentance or refusal during the 10 years of awe which will be the time to pick a side:

1. sons of light
2. sons of darkness

This 3rd group of undecided people are the reason the curse had to come because there has to be a furnace of affliction to make people pick either holy or not holy as you can only have 2 groups not 3 groups.......If Elijah can get everybody to pick a side (Father God) or (father satan) there would be no need to bring the curse and the furnace of affliction.
 Quoting: waterman


These statements seem very offensive in the context of your own declaration. I hope you are not saying that even those who do not adhere to what you are claiming as the correct interpretation here is destined to go into the furnace of affliction. That is those who disagree and so call, scoff at your ideology. God does not punish those who stand their course in their honest belief.

As far as Elijah's message is concerned, not every believer will recognize the message and some will. Nevertheless, it is not based on what Elijah proclaims that will decide who enters the furnace, but their spiritual standing that will determine this. This is weighted by the order of God, not the determining factor of man's message and who believes what in that message.

Careful my brother, do not overstep God's good intention toward both fathers and sons. Threats are not the order of the day with the Father, but warning.

In the final analysis there are only two groups, the darkness and the light. God does not consign the lukewarm a second chance concerning salvation. He does not allow the true scoffers and mockers to pick sides, but spews them out of his mouth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


The book of Jeremiah makes it very clear that only one third of the nation survives.

This is how the fall feasts are observed:
The feast of trumpets until yom kippur is said to be when the books are opened:
Hashanah, it states that three books of account are opened on Rosh Hashanah, wherein the fate of the wicked, the righteous, and those of an intermediate class are recorded. The names of the righteous are immediately inscribed in the book of life, and they are sealed "to live." The intermediate class are allowed a respite of ten days, until Yom Kippur, to reflect, repent and become righteous;[6] the wicked are "blotted out of the book of the living forever."[7]
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Re: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013
I'm sure this is not the only interpretation of this verse but it is a possibility of one interpretation:


Malachi 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.



When Elijah comes, he will come not to win over the whole nation back to God as that would be impossible to do.

When Elijah comes, he will come to divide households and the nation into 2 groups or in other words he will turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and the hearts of the fathers to their children and when you see the 2 groups you will know God is their Father or Satan is their father:

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with evil to their evil father(satan)

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with Christ to their Father(God)

THE 2 GROUPS:

1. Mockers and Scoffers as in the days of Noah!
:daysofnoah:





2. Those who mourn, fast, weep and pray for repentance as in the days of Ninevah!
:1daysof ninevah1:



Possibly the 3rd group are those who are undecided and come to repentance or refusal during the 10 years of awe which will be the time to pick a side:

1. sons of light
2. sons of darkness

This 3rd group of undecided people are the reason the curse had to come because there has to be a furnace of affliction to make people pick either holy or not holy as you can only have 2 groups not 3 groups.......If Elijah can get everybody to pick a side (Father God) or (father satan) there would be no need to bring the curse and the furnace of affliction.
 Quoting: waterman


These statements seem very offensive in the context of your own declaration. I hope you are not saying that even those who do not adhere to what you are claiming as the correct interpretation here is destined to go into the furnace of affliction. That is those who disagree and so call, scoff at your ideology. God does not punish those who stand their course in their honest belief.

As far as Elijah's message is concerned, not every believer will recognize the message and some will. Nevertheless, it is not based on what Elijah proclaims that will decide who enters the furnace, but their spiritual standing that will determine this. This is weighted by the order of God, not the determining factor of man's message and who believes what in that message.

Careful my brother, do not overstep God's good intention toward both fathers and sons. Threats are not the order of the day with the Father, but warning.

In the final analysis there are only two groups, the darkness and the light. God does not consign the lukewarm a second chance concerning salvation. He does not allow the true scoffers and mockers to pick sides, but spews them out of his mouth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


The book of Jeremiah makes it very clear that only one third of the nation survives.

This is how the fall feasts are observed:
The feast of trumpets until yom kippur is said to be when the books are opened:
Hashanah, it states that three books of account are opened on Rosh Hashanah, wherein the fate of the wicked, the righteous, and those of an intermediate class are recorded. The names of the righteous are immediately inscribed in the book of life, and they are sealed "to live." The intermediate class are allowed a respite of ten days, until Yom Kippur, to reflect, repent and become righteous;[6] the wicked are "blotted out of the book of the living forever."[7]
 Quoting: waterman

This is correct. Nevertheless, you are making the claim that all those who do not yield to Elijah's message are all going to the furnace of affliction. This is not stated anywhere in the word. I am sure many righteous believers who heard and believed Elijah message will also end up in that furnace. For the furnace destiny is not determined on Elijah's message, but the process of purifying the children of God toward a Godly service. The purpose of a furnace is to purify and remove the dross, not some punishment from God because they didn't receive Elijah's message to the extent that Elijah desired. Elijah would never be that egotistical to even believe such a thing. Elijah will not be seeking to start his own cult, but his highest motive will be the glorification of his Lord, and humbly proclaiming any message he is given. Not making threats, but uniting Fathers and Sons.
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I'm sure this is not the only interpretation of this verse but it is a possibility of one interpretation:


Malachi 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.



When Elijah comes, he will come not to win over the whole nation back to God as that would be impossible to do.

When Elijah comes, he will come to divide households and the nation into 2 groups or in other words he will turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and the hearts of the fathers to their children and when you see the 2 groups you will know God is their Father or Satan is their father:

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with evil to their evil father(satan)

Elijah comes to turn the hearts filled with Christ to their Father(God)

THE 2 GROUPS:

1. Mockers and Scoffers as in the days of Noah!
:daysofnoah:





2. Those who mourn, fast, weep and pray for repentance as in the days of Ninevah!
1daysof ninevah1



Possibly the 3rd group are those who are undecided and come to repentance or refusal during the 10 years of awe which will be the time to pick a side:

1. sons of light
2. sons of darkness

This 3rd group of undecided people are the reason the curse had to come because there has to be a furnace of affliction to make people pick either holy or not holy as you can only have 2 groups not 3 groups.......If Elijah can get everybody to pick a side (Father God) or (father satan) there would be no need to bring the curse and the furnace of affliction.
 Quoting: waterman


These statements seem very offensive in the context of your own declaration. I hope you are not saying that even those who do not adhere to what you are claiming as the correct interpretation here is destined to go into the furnace of affliction. That is those who disagree and so call, scoff at your ideology. God does not punish those who stand their course in their honest belief.

As far as Elijah's message is concerned, not every believer will recognize the message and some will. Nevertheless, it is not based on what Elijah proclaims that will decide who enters the furnace, but their spiritual standing that will determine this. This is weighted by the order of God, not the determining factor of man's message and who believes what in that message.

Careful my brother, do not overstep God's good intention toward both fathers and sons. Threats are not the order of the day with the Father, but warning.

In the final analysis there are only two groups, the darkness and the light. God does not consign the lukewarm a second chance concerning salvation. He does not allow the true scoffers and mockers to pick sides, but spews them out of his mouth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


The book of Jeremiah makes it very clear that only one third of the nation survives.

This is how the fall feasts are observed:
The feast of trumpets until yom kippur is said to be when the books are opened:
Hashanah, it states that three books of account are opened on Rosh Hashanah, wherein the fate of the wicked, the righteous, and those of an intermediate class are recorded. The names of the righteous are immediately inscribed in the book of life, and they are sealed "to live." The intermediate class are allowed a respite of ten days, until Yom Kippur, to reflect, repent and become righteous;[6] the wicked are "blotted out of the book of the living forever."[7]
 Quoting: waterman

This is correct. Nevertheless, you are making the claim that all those who do not yield to Elijah's message are all going to the furnace of affliction. This is not stated anywhere in the word. I am sure many righteous believers who heard and believed Elijah message will also end up in that furnace. For the furnace destiny is not determined on Elijah's message, but the process of purifying the children of God toward a Godly service. The purpose of a furnace is to purify and remove the dross, not some punishment from God because they didn't receive Elijah's message to the extent that Elijah desired. Elijah would never be that egotistical to even believe such a thing. Elijah will not be seeking to start his own cult, but his highest motive will be the glorification of his Lord, and humbly proclaiming any message he is given. Not making threats, but uniting Fathers and Sons.
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I guess we have different opinions on how Elijah will preach.....I see it as a "You have 40 days before judgement is coming repent now!" message and you have it as a 30 minute lets all get along guys message........hmmm
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These statements seem very offensive in the context of your own declaration. I hope you are not saying that even those who do not adhere to what you are claiming as the correct interpretation here is destined to go into the furnace of affliction. That is those who disagree and so call, scoff at your ideology. God does not punish those who stand their course in their honest belief.

As far as Elijah's message is concerned, not every believer will recognize the message and some will. Nevertheless, it is not based on what Elijah proclaims that will decide who enters the furnace, but their spiritual standing that will determine this. This is weighted by the order of God, not the determining factor of man's message and who believes what in that message.

Careful my brother, do not overstep God's good intention toward both fathers and sons. Threats are not the order of the day with the Father, but warning.

In the final analysis there are only two groups, the darkness and the light. God does not consign the lukewarm a second chance concerning salvation. He does not allow the true scoffers and mockers to pick sides, but spews them out of his mouth.
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The book of Jeremiah makes it very clear that only one third of the nation survives.

This is how the fall feasts are observed:
The feast of trumpets until yom kippur is said to be when the books are opened:
Hashanah, it states that three books of account are opened on Rosh Hashanah, wherein the fate of the wicked, the righteous, and those of an intermediate class are recorded. The names of the righteous are immediately inscribed in the book of life, and they are sealed "to live." The intermediate class are allowed a respite of ten days, until Yom Kippur, to reflect, repent and become righteous;[6] the wicked are "blotted out of the book of the living forever."[7]
 Quoting: waterman

This is correct. Nevertheless, you are making the claim that all those who do not yield to Elijah's message are all going to the furnace of affliction. This is not stated anywhere in the word. I am sure many righteous believers who heard and believed Elijah message will also end up in that furnace. For the furnace destiny is not determined on Elijah's message, but the process of purifying the children of God toward a Godly service. The purpose of a furnace is to purify and remove the dross, not some punishment from God because they didn't receive Elijah's message to the extent that Elijah desired. Elijah would never be that egotistical to even believe such a thing. Elijah will not be seeking to start his own cult, but his highest motive will be the glorification of his Lord, and humbly proclaiming any message he is given. Not making threats, but uniting Fathers and Sons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I guess we have different opinions on how Elijah will preach.....I see it as a "You have 40 days before judgement is coming repent now!" message and you have it as a 30 minute lets all get along guys message........hmmm
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Don't put words in my mouth. I am capable of speaking for my self. If I need any interpretation of what I am saying, ask me, don't interpret my own words without understanding the message. Listen, carefully, Elijah's messages is not going to determine if one remains out of the furnace. If you believe differently, reveal this in scripture. If it is not in there, then stop claiming it as so. You are preaching false doctrine in that case, or the very least leading others astry from God's word.
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The book of Jeremiah makes it very clear that only one third of the nation survives.

This is how the fall feasts are observed:
The feast of trumpets until yom kippur is said to be when the books are opened:
Hashanah, it states that three books of account are opened on Rosh Hashanah, wherein the fate of the wicked, the righteous, and those of an intermediate class are recorded. The names of the righteous are immediately inscribed in the book of life, and they are sealed "to live." The intermediate class are allowed a respite of ten days, until Yom Kippur, to reflect, repent and become righteous;[6] the wicked are "blotted out of the book of the living forever."[7]
 Quoting: waterman

This is correct. Nevertheless, you are making the claim that all those who do not yield to Elijah's message are all going to the furnace of affliction. This is not stated anywhere in the word. I am sure many righteous believers who heard and believed Elijah message will also end up in that furnace. For the furnace destiny is not determined on Elijah's message, but the process of purifying the children of God toward a Godly service. The purpose of a furnace is to purify and remove the dross, not some punishment from God because they didn't receive Elijah's message to the extent that Elijah desired. Elijah would never be that egotistical to even believe such a thing. Elijah will not be seeking to start his own cult, but his highest motive will be the glorification of his Lord, and humbly proclaiming any message he is given. Not making threats, but uniting Fathers and Sons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I guess we have different opinions on how Elijah will preach.....I see it as a "You have 40 days before judgement is coming repent now!" message and you have it as a 30 minute lets all get along guys message........hmmm
 Quoting: waterman


Don't put words in my mouth. I am capable of speaking for my self. If I need any interpretation of what I am saying, ask me, don't interpret my own words without understanding the message. Listen, carefully, Elijah's messages is not going to determine if one remains out of the furnace. If you believe differently, reveal this in scripture. If it is not in there, then stop claiming it as so. You are preaching false doctrine in that case, or the very least leading others astry from God's word.
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I totally agree did you not read my post at the top of the page......this is what will happen to the people after the preaching is done....do you just wait to set snares for my words or read them?

1 death for death
2. sword for sword
3. faminine for faminine
4. captivity for captivity

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
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And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, Hebrews 9:27

There are two people who did not die a physical death in the Bible and that is Elijah and Enoch.

Enoch:
So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him (Genesis 5:23,24).

Elijah:
Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11).

It is my belief that those are the two witnesses and they will be killed and have a "physical" death . God is not a respecter of persons.

7 When they complete their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the bottomless pit[a] will declare war against them, and he will conquer them and kill them. 8 And their bodies will lie in the main street of Jerusalem, the city that is figuratively called “Sodom” and “Egypt,” the city where their Lord was crucified. 9 And for three and a half days, all peoples, tribes, languages, and nations will stare at their bodies. No one will be allowed to bury them. 10 All the people who belong to this world will gloat over them and give presents to each other to celebrate the death of the two prophets who had tormented them.

11 But after three and a half days, God breathed life into them, and they stood up! Terror struck all who were staring at them. 12 Then a loud voice from heaven called to the two prophets, “Come up here!” And they rose to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched. Revelation 11
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This is correct. Nevertheless, you are making the claim that all those who do not yield to Elijah's message are all going to the furnace of affliction. This is not stated anywhere in the word. I am sure many righteous believers who heard and believed Elijah message will also end up in that furnace. For the furnace destiny is not determined on Elijah's message, but the process of purifying the children of God toward a Godly service. The purpose of a furnace is to purify and remove the dross, not some punishment from God because they didn't receive Elijah's message to the extent that Elijah desired. Elijah would never be that egotistical to even believe such a thing. Elijah will not be seeking to start his own cult, but his highest motive will be the glorification of his Lord, and humbly proclaiming any message he is given. Not making threats, but uniting Fathers and Sons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I guess we have different opinions on how Elijah will preach.....I see it as a "You have 40 days before judgement is coming repent now!" message and you have it as a 30 minute lets all get along guys message........hmmm
 Quoting: waterman


Don't put words in my mouth. I am capable of speaking for my self. If I need any interpretation of what I am saying, ask me, don't interpret my own words without understanding the message. Listen, carefully, Elijah's messages is not going to determine if one remains out of the furnace. If you believe differently, reveal this in scripture. If it is not in there, then stop claiming it as so. You are preaching false doctrine in that case, or the very least leading others astry from God's word.
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I totally agree did you not read my post at the top of the page......this is what will happen to the people after the preaching is done....do you just wait to set snares for my words or read them?

1 death for death
2. sword for sword
3. faminine for faminine
4. captivity for captivity

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
 Quoting: waterman


Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
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I guess we have different opinions on how Elijah will preach.....I see it as a "You have 40 days before judgement is coming repent now!" message and you have it as a 30 minute lets all get along guys message........hmmm
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Don't put words in my mouth. I am capable of speaking for my self. If I need any interpretation of what I am saying, ask me, don't interpret my own words without understanding the message. Listen, carefully, Elijah's messages is not going to determine if one remains out of the furnace. If you believe differently, reveal this in scripture. If it is not in there, then stop claiming it as so. You are preaching false doctrine in that case, or the very least leading others astry from God's word.
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I totally agree did you not read my post at the top of the page......this is what will happen to the people after the preaching is done....do you just wait to set snares for my words or read them?

1 death for death
2. sword for sword
3. faminine for faminine
4. captivity for captivity

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
 Quoting: waterman


Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
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We won't have long to wait to see how it comes out...Elijah will come to restore all things soon enough. As we can see the Day of the Lord near approaching.

Have a good nite I gotta get up early tomorrow.
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Don't put words in my mouth. I am capable of speaking for my self. If I need any interpretation of what I am saying, ask me, don't interpret my own words without understanding the message. Listen, carefully, Elijah's messages is not going to determine if one remains out of the furnace. If you believe differently, reveal this in scripture. If it is not in there, then stop claiming it as so. You are preaching false doctrine in that case, or the very least leading others astry from God's word.
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I totally agree did you not read my post at the top of the page......this is what will happen to the people after the preaching is done....do you just wait to set snares for my words or read them?

1 death for death
2. sword for sword
3. faminine for faminine
4. captivity for captivity

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
 Quoting: waterman


Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
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We won't have long to wait to see how it comes out...Elijah will come to restore all things soon enough. As we can see the Day of the Lord near approaching.

Have a good nite I gotta get up early tomorrow.
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I guess we have different opinions on how Elijah will preach.....I see it as a "You have 40 days before judgement is coming repent now!" message and you have it as a 30 minute lets all get along guys message........hmmm
 Quoting: waterman


Don't put words in my mouth. I am capable of speaking for my self. If I need any interpretation of what I am saying, ask me, don't interpret my own words without understanding the message. Listen, carefully, Elijah's messages is not going to determine if one remains out of the furnace. If you believe differently, reveal this in scripture. If it is not in there, then stop claiming it as so. You are preaching false doctrine in that case, or the very least leading others astry from God's word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I totally agree did you not read my post at the top of the page......this is what will happen to the people after the preaching is done....do you just wait to set snares for my words or read them?

1 death for death
2. sword for sword
3. faminine for faminine
4. captivity for captivity

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
 Quoting: waterman


Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
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"They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!"



Proverbs 17:3

The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold: but the LORD tries the hearts.


Silver and gold are prepared for use by purifying them in hot fires. The heat burns away impurities and base metals to leave pure silver or gold, fit for the craftsman to make a beautiful piece of jewelry or decorative object. Only the LORD can prove and purify our hearts in a similar way, through the fiery furnace of afflictions and trials.



Proverbs 25:4




Take away the dross from the silver.

And there shall come forth a vessel for the finer.



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I think i just realized that The'Lady' may be comet ISON...

She will be 'clothed in the Sun' because she is suppossed to be very bright and visible...

Also, she will literally have the moon under her feet if she appears higher in the sky than the moon...

And isnt she suppossed to be visible about that time of year? (October.)
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I think i just realized that The'Lady' may be comet ISON...

She will be 'clothed in the Sun' because she is suppossed to be very bright and visible...

Also, she will literally have the moon under her feet if she appears higher in the sky than the moon...

And isnt she suppossed to be visible about that time of year? (October.)
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And who would be the man-child she brings forth?
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Waterman - some scholars regard 1260 days as an equivalency (or reference) to the phrase "a time, times, and half a time" seeing as when we equate 'time' with 'year' we observe that 3.5 years is roughly 1275 days ( give or take depending on precise definitions), and that said phrase ('times') in context would be an applicable practical equality to 1260 days.

As for the woman...a great case can be made that this sign already occurred - a quick search on youtube will result in several excellent examples. Of course you have to skip the silly ones. I dont post one up simply because I do not want to preclude your own discovery of excellent vids, nor do I want any association with any particular video or viewpoint presented therein.

With regard to my personal opinion I will state only that the most compelling case for me suggests 2012 as the year of occurrence, but again this is all conjecture and should be treated as such.

I have also seen excellent cases for 2011, 2013, and 2016 presented.

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Hello there,
Is it possible that the year of the dragon and the year of the snake following each other in chinese astrology could be also linked to the man child story?
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


There is a possibility that there may be some correlation between the two (man-child and dragon/snake years), but I wouldn't be overly concern that the meaning of it be of any great significance. Satan who is far more cunning in manipulating attempts at any and all aspects of God's implemented tactics, often seeks to bedevil a clear vision of any given pattern. Thus, relaying to the observer a nebulous depiction of the true pattern of God's intended purpose. In other words, Satan is always seeking to throw some confusing symbolism to obfuscate any sound explanation toward discerning the depiction of its true meaning. Satan often does this through many sources..including incorrect astrology deciphering. No intentional dig toward waterman in that last statement.
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Thanks buddy.
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You are very welcome.
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I totally agree did you not read my post at the top of the page......this is what will happen to the people after the preaching is done....do you just wait to set snares for my words or read them?

1 death for death
2. sword for sword
3. faminine for faminine
4. captivity for captivity

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
 Quoting: waterman


Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


We won't have long to wait to see how it comes out...Elijah will come to restore all things soon enough. As we can see the Day of the Lord near approaching.

Have a good nite I gotta get up early tomorrow.
 Quoting: waterman


Sleep well.
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I totally agree did you not read my post at the top of the page......this is what will happen to the people after the preaching is done....do you just wait to set snares for my words or read them?

1 death for death
2. sword for sword
3. faminine for faminine
4. captivity for captivity

Jeremiah 15:
2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
 Quoting: waterman


Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
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We won't have long to wait to see how it comes out...Elijah will come to restore all things soon enough. As we can see the Day of the Lord near approaching.

Have a good nite I gotta get up early tomorrow.
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Sleep well.
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Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


We won't have long to wait to see how it comes out...Elijah will come to restore all things soon enough. As we can see the Day of the Lord near approaching.

Have a good nite I gotta get up early tomorrow.
 Quoting: waterman


Sleep well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


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Exactly! All that Jeremiah/Elijah is addressing, has already received the message, at that time, but many who heard the message and even believed it will go to to one of these four places. Not because they were or were not obedient to the message, but what God had already determined for them beforehand. God does not seal the 144,000 because they heard some message and believed, but because he was preparing them for purification in his service. They were not spiritual virgins because they heard some message a few weeks before, but they served their God beforehand, and the furnace was not a punishment in God's eyes, but a purification to allow God to display his glory through them!

No, I am not purposely setting snares against you. Nevertheless, if I read something that I disagree with, I will state it as so. not only on your thread but others as well. So far you and many other threads I did not always agree with has not deleted me. As You stated earlier in this thread you do not mind honest disagreements. Only ones you delete are those who purposely dispute you for no reason but to argue. Nevertheless, now it looks as if you may be seeking to reword that definition of purposely disputing, to snaring your statements, if one does not agree with everything you claim. That is the price one pays when they desire to express their opinion on their own thread. As it should be, and if someone disagrees you should be big enough to consider other opinions that do not always coincide with yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


We won't have long to wait to see how it comes out...Elijah will come to restore all things soon enough. As we can see the Day of the Lord near approaching.

Have a good nite I gotta get up early tomorrow.
 Quoting: waterman


Sleep well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


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Hilarious! Seems someone, might be insinuating I was not totally sincere in my comment, stating, "sleep well." Nevertheless, as funny as your post was, I want waterman to know I was sincere....nevertheless, I like your sense of humor AC 129, and I believe waterman would also.

A little levity on these post breaks the tension of discussing subject matters, through friendly persuasion, often wrapped in obvious discord.

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