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Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013

 
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"I have faith based on discussions I had that he's a good man working toward the right path."

Faith is never meant to be operational toward the conclusion as to the character of anyone. Faith is meant to be utilized to please God, and standing strongly on God's word toward the manifestational workings of God's promised unseen evidence [Heb.11:1kjv]. Our faith is never to be demonstrated toward the judgment of others, whether good or bad, only sound discernment is necessary in that case. It is also not our responsibility to work toward a good path, but to fulfill that good path already completed by Jesus on our behalf. Even here say cannot be trusted in my opinion.

Hear say of a person's deeds and evidence of the contrary are two different truths, in paths in opposite directions.

Many claim waterman is also a good man working toward the right path. Nevertheless, as you can see we have to always keep an eye on that rascal....just kidding waterman!

Nevertheless, if you are contented with his teachings who am I. I just have no desire to exchange doctrine with him. When I believe the purpose would be futile in the world of realism with him. Happy for you though if you benefit from his theories, philosophies, conjectures...I mean interpretation of the word.

Nevertheless...God Bless.
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Hello AC227,
It is difficult for me to properly explain what I mean in english, since it is not my mother tongue.

I am not contented by anyone's teachings nor do I take anybody's word as Truth. I am just following my heart and whatever the spirit inspires me to do.

I believe this is also what you have been doing on a daily basis, for the past 40 years. I always sense a lot of truth and wisdom in your words, this I will never deny.

One Love, Bro.
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


For English not being your mother tongue you express your self nicely.

Very good! Always follow the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. However, be very cautious with the leading of the heart. As the word warns us;

[Jer.17:9] For the heart is deceitful above all things, and disparately wicked: who can know it?


This following of the heart, is the teachings of the way of the world, and this way leads away from the truth of the word. For all of the world especially of the female persuasion are taught to follow their heart, but this is often the way of the enemy and not the advice of the Word.
Even as the world teaches happiness is the greatest goal, yet, this again is a lie toward destruction, and the falsehood of the ways of the world. For Christ came forth not seeking a life of happiness, but of obedience toward the calling of the Father. So all who belong to him must follow that same example. For such things will eventually lead not only to happiness, but that which is far greater...JOY...and the fullness thereof.

[Ps.33:12} Happy is the nation whose Lord is God.

The ways of the world and the advice thereof, leads to death.

[1John.2:15kjv] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man Love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

[1John.2:16kjv] For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

[1John.2:17kjv] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.


Never trust the heart alone. I have learned hard lessons that way through the years.

I posses no wisdom, I only stumble along in blind trust, and great fear, that I might not say that which would dishonor the word, and bring down upon my head the Lord's displeasure. As often through the years I have done so. Nevertheless, his anger has no power against the forgiveness he displays when ask for such, in sincerity. Oh! The joy of his grace, when granted, supersedes all powers.

I never know what I am to say before I start writing a response to anything. That would take intellect of a greater ability than I possess. I only trust the Lord to be my guide in my responses. Except of course for those subjects I have studied on for many years, through the word and the Spirit's leading. These of course are often my own thoughts as well, and of course shortcomings are often prevalent as well. Nevertheless, I thank you for your kind remarks.
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The word "heart" shows up over 1000 times in the Bible. By citing one particular verse, you don't do the Word justice and don't give it the correct context.

Deuteronomy 11:18
you shall lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul; and you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be for symbols between your eyes.

Matt.5.8
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."

God sees through everyone's heart. Can see all intentions, thoughts, wishes, desires, hurts, etc. Matt.15.19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. So even if someone "claims" to have a pure heart, only God knows for sure. Only the pure of heart will listen to the everlasting gospel with a pure faith that leads to salvation.
Matt.15.8
“This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;"

Please don't misdirect "ExploringTheTruth" because he is drawn to the everlasting gospel and being attracted to the true meaning of the Word of God.

Mark.2.8
And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?

Thank you in advance for not leading people astray.

Regards,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


I think 227 does the Word great justice and is right on about the heart, the soul, and the spirit. What he explained is a simple, basic teaching that is lacking in the church today. Watchman Née would agree, but more than that, our God, who inspired his words. I can't wait to meet Watchman some day...
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The word "heart" shows up over 1000 times in the Bible. By citing one particular verse, you don't do the Word justice and don't give it the correct context.

Deuteronomy 11:18
you shall lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul; and you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be for symbols between your eyes.

Matt.5.8
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."

God sees through everyone's heart. Can see all intentions, thoughts, wishes, desires, hurts, etc. Matt.15.19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. So even if someone "claims" to have a pure heart, only God knows for sure. Only the pure of heart will listen to the everlasting gospel with a pure faith that leads to salvation.
Matt.15.8
“This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;"

Please don't misdirect "ExploringTheTruth" because he is drawn to the everlasting gospel and being attracted to the true meaning of the Word of God.

Mark.2.8
And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?

Thank you in advance for not leading people astray.

Regards,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


I think 227 does the Word great justice and is right on about the heart, the soul, and the spirit. What he explained is a simple, basic teaching that is lacking in the church today. Watchman Née would agree, but more than that, our God, who inspired his words. I can't wait to meet Watchman some day...
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I don't know who "Watchman Née" is. Sorry. I don't follow others on GLP to give me truth about the Word, nor do I listen to the false pastors/preachers in today's false christianity. I read Holy Scripture, pray and ask for truth to be delivered into my heart.

RockyMtnLady
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I agree RML about the false pastors and teachers of today, but I disagree with you, to a certain extent, about the heart. What good is the heart when the Spirit gives life? Your heart will be dead and buried in a hundred years, but your spirit lives on forever.
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Hello AC129,
To me, the heart is part of the evolution of the (our) spirit.
It is not necessarily the physical heart that we are talking about. Our hearts are feeding to an extent our spirit allowing it to either evolve toward the good or to the evil. The other way around, the spirit guides the heart of those who care to listen. This is why I mentioned earlier that I believe they cannot really be separated.
Our hearts will not be buried in a hundred years, they will still live through our spirit and through the things we have created / achieved in this life.
This is my philosophy anyway. :)
One Love,
D.
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I would like to thank all of you who responded positively about my statements concerning the heart, soul, and spirit concept. I would also like to thank those of you who did not believe I was leading others in the right direction, but, nevertheless, was sincere in their observation. A sign of good intentions by your opponent through a moderate instead of a harsh response, is always beneficial toward greater cooperation at same future date.

Also I want to thank waterman, for being very patient with me on his thread. My sometime criticism of his interpretation of scripture, never will reflect my solid belief of his sincerity to exhort and edify his fellows.

God Bless....All.
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I would like to thank all of you who responded positively about my statements concerning the heart, soul, and spirit concept. I would also like to thank those of you who did not believe I was leading others in the right direction, but, nevertheless, was sincere in their observation. A sign of good intentions by your opponent through a moderate instead of a harsh response, is always beneficial toward greater cooperation at same future date.

Also I want to thank waterman, for being very patient with me on his thread. My sometime criticism of his interpretation of scripture, never will reflect my solid belief of his sincerity to exhort and edify his fellows.

God Bless....All.
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The force is strong within you. :))))))))

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For English not being your mother tongue you express your self nicely.

Very good! Always follow the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. However, be very cautious with the leading of the heart. As the word warns us;

[Jer.17:9] For the heart is deceitful above all things, and disparately wicked: who can know it?


This following of the heart, is the teachings of the way of the world, and this way leads away from the truth of the word. For all of the world especially of the female persuasion are taught to follow their heart, but this is often the way of the enemy and not the advice of the Word.
Even as the world teaches happiness is the greatest goal, yet, this again is a lie toward destruction, and the falsehood of the ways of the world. For Christ came forth not seeking a life of happiness, but of obedience toward the calling of the Father. So all who belong to him must follow that same example. For such things will eventually lead not only to happiness, but that which is far greater...JOY...and the fullness thereof.

[Ps.33:12} Happy is the nation whose Lord is God.

The ways of the world and the advice thereof, leads to death.

[1John.2:15kjv] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man Love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

[1John.2:16kjv] For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

[1John.2:17kjv] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.


Never trust the heart alone. I have learned hard lessons that way through the years.

I posses no wisdom, I only stumble along in blind trust, and great fear, that I might not say that which would dishonor the word, and bring down upon my head the Lord's displeasure. As often through the years I have done so. Nevertheless, his anger has no power against the forgiveness he displays when ask for such, in sincerity. Oh! The joy of his grace, when granted, supersedes all powers.

I never know what I am to say before I start writing a response to anything. That would take intellect of a greater ability than I possess. I only trust the Lord to be my guide in my responses. Except of course for those subjects I have studied on for many years, through the word and the Spirit's leading. These of course are often my own thoughts as well, and of course shortcomings are often prevalent as well. Nevertheless, I thank you for your kind remarks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


The word "heart" shows up over 1000 times in the Bible. By citing one particular verse, you don't do the Word justice and don't give it the correct context.

Deuteronomy 11:18
you shall lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul; and you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be for symbols between your eyes.

Matt.5.8
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."

God sees through everyone's heart. Can see all intentions, thoughts, wishes, desires, hurts, etc. Matt.15.19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. So even if someone "claims" to have a pure heart, only God knows for sure. Only the pure of heart will listen to the everlasting gospel with a pure faith that leads to salvation.
Matt.15.8
“This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;"

Please don't misdirect "ExploringTheTruth" because he is drawn to the everlasting gospel and being attracted to the true meaning of the Word of God.

Mark.2.8
And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?

Thank you in advance for not leading people astray.

Regards,
RockyMtnLady
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Thanks RML :o)

I am not being led astray by anyone, no worries.

I just consider that in order to build myself up, I have to listen to what everyone have to say. Everyone carries part of the truth!

People like AC227, Waterman, PJ, yourself, are so far helping me a lot.

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you were vulnerable or anything. I admire you for being open to the truth. Good luck and may God Bless you!

RockyMtnLady
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No worries at all my friend, I know what you meant.
It takes a lot for me to get offended, eventho it can happen sometimes. :)
One Love!
D.
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Thread: REV. CHP 12 {THE WOMAN CLOTHED WITH THE SUN AND THE STARS AROUND HER HEAD}
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"I am coming, I am coming, I am coming!

Harken not to those who tell you I am not coming for My Bride. This is a lie, My precious children. I am most certainly coming for My Bride! An event will come first to enable more precious souls to come to know Me before time runs out. "

The web of deceit is extending across the world, My daughter. Heed My words only and you will be safe - you and your loved ones. There is so much coming that would unsettle you if you were not anchored in Me, Your Lord and Saviour.

There is much more coming than you can possibly imagine, My daughter. You are not to fear anything that happens in the world, for I am in it. I will protect My own no matter what comes. Always remember that you belong to Me and to no other. What is coming no man can imagine. There will be a cataclysmic event that will stagger mankind, but this will be My way of revealing Myself to every man and woman on the face of the earth to give them the opportunity of accepting Me as their Lord and Saviour before time runs out for them. There is no need for those who are Mine to fear this event, for it is I Who am coming to draw all men unto Myself in such a way that they will recognise their Creator and there will be no mistaking Who I AM. This is My gift to mankind - for all those who seek Me in their hearts, but who don't yet know Who it is they seek. There are many among the people of every nation who desire after Me - yet they know Me not. This will be My way of revealing Myself to them and they will know that this is their chance of redemption. They will know that I am giving them the chance of turning from their sins and receiving Me as their Lord and Saviour. All your prayers and all the prayers of all My children for the unsaved have been heard, and it is through your prayers that My great mission to draw all men unto Me will be completed in this event. This will be My last call to mankind before I come for My Bride. Yes, the ark door will be closing soon. Stay in prayer, My daughter, for this event is soon to appear. Tell My children to be in prayer for this event and to pray for the lost while there is still time.

My children, all those who are willing to lay down their lives for My sake and the gospel's will be honoured. Anyone who tries to prevent My Word from reaching the lost will be punished. There will be a move instigated by the enemy designed to prevent My Word from being spread, but he will not succeed, for My Word is written in the hearts of all My children. Honour Me in your hearts, My dear ones, and I will honour you!"

Rev 3:10-12 (NKJV)

10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

Matthew 16:24-26 (NKJV)

24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
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I was reading today about the constellation coma berenices:

The constellation Coma Berenices refers to a classical story concerning the hair of Berenice, the wife of Ptolemy III of Egypt. While the story is an old one, the constellation is relatively new, being introduced by Tycho Brahe (1546-1601).

According to the story, Ptolemy had waged a long war on the Assyrians, since it was they who had killed his sister. As Ptolemy returned successfully from the war, his wife Berenice had her beautiful tresses ceremoniously clipped and given to Aphrodite, laid out on the temple altar.

As the evening's festivities continued, the shorn hair was discovered to be missing. The priests might be sacrificed, if the queen's hair couldn't be found. It was the astronomer Conon of Samos who came to their rescue - proclaiming that Aphrodite had accepted the gift of Berenice's hair, which now shown brightly in the heavens next to Leo.

And that is the new story but originally the constellation coma berencies was part of the constellation Leo and was the tuft in the tail bringing the number of stars in Leo to 9 plus the 3 in coma berenices to a total of 12 stars

The Greek astronomer Ptolemy considered Coma Berenices to be an asterism in the constellation Leo, representing the tuft at the end of the lion’s tail, and it was not until the 16th century that Berenice’s Hair was promoted to a constellation in its own right, on a celestial globe by the cartographer Caspar Vopel. It was the Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe who is usually credited for the promotion. He included Coma Berenices among the constellations in his star catalogue of 1602.


Notice also that one of the stars in coma berenices is called "diadem"

comadiadem1


leovirgo1

So these are the 12 stars(9 in Leo and 3 in the tail making up coma berenices) that make up the crown of Virgo.
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William Brabham fulfilled the Malachi 4
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William Brabham fulfilled the Malachi 4
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Would have thought elijah would have been more popular...never heard of william brabham....tell william thanks for the warning if you see him
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William Branham is Prophet of Malachi 4 and the Seventh angel messenger of revelations
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William Branham is Prophet of Malachi 4 and the Seventh angel messenger of revelations
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Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Did William Branham "restore" all things and if so what were they?....I believe Elijah comes to restore the levitic preisthood and introduce the davidic kingship of the other witness as one major restoration.....What did you say William Branham restored?
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William Branham is Prophet of Malachi 4 and the Seventh angel messenger of revelations
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Sorry to inform you, but that William Branham was about as phony as they come when you classify that man as a prophet of God. I believe he died in an auto accident in the earlier 60's. If you are still hanging on to the belief that he was the Elijah to come in the last days, you can blame that belief on your own self deception. Not on Gods lack of response toward fulfilling the works he claimed would pass through him.

I believe if you look under the title of false prophet or false teacher for William Branham you will be able to obtain a great deal of information concerning those subjects associated with him.

I am not sure what denomination believed/believes in him but I would begin to question my association with their steadfast belief in one, who is not returning..now that he is dead. For it is appointed unto man once to die, but after that the Judgement [Heb.9:27.]
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Hello Waterman,
What do you think about the star of david alignement taking place tthe moment?
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


I'm very curious about it because it is in the 40 day period between July 28/29 and Rosh Hashanah Sept 5/6 2013...and possibly a 40 day call to repentance could come that day if an Elijah shows up......I guess I'll wait and see....thanks for your post
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Hello Waterman,
What do you think about the star of david alignement taking place tthe moment?
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


I'm very curious about it because it is in the 40 day period between July 28/29 and Rosh Hashanah Sept 5/6 2013...and possibly a 40 day call to repentance could come that day if an Elijah shows up......I guess I'll wait and see....thanks for your post
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A 40 day call of repentance could come forth from a major disaster or a great crisis, just as well as an Elijah's appearance could. Repentance call is a repentance call, regardless of what force God brings about to manifest that repentant attitude. It is not the declaration of the repentance announcement that is necessary toward that repentance....but the need of understanding the necessity of that requirement. This, in my opinion, is more often than not, through some grave revelation of a certain tragic happening.
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Hello Waterman,
What do you think about the star of david alignement taking place tthe moment?
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


I'm very curious about it because it is in the 40 day period between July 28/29 and Rosh Hashanah Sept 5/6 2013...and possibly a 40 day call to repentance could come that day if an Elijah shows up......I guess I'll wait and see....thanks for your post
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A 40 day call of repentance could come forth from a major disaster or a great crisis, just as well as an Elijah's appearance could. Repentance call is a repentance call, regardless of what force God brings about to manifest that repentant attitude. It is not the declaration of the repentance announcement that is necessary toward that repentance....but the need of understanding the necessity of that requirement. This, in my opinion, is more often than not, through some grave revelation of a certain tragic happening.
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I look at it with the point of view that ninevah will stand up and testify against the united states in the end and if a Jonah/Elijah type isn't sent with a 40 day call to repentance the united states would call a "that's no fair" If the "day of the Lord" is the destruction of the u.s and Elijah comes before the "day of the Lord" it would be to bring a call of repentance before judgement comes

The prophetic time clock should start and I'm just guessing 40 days after Elijah shows up and the calendar years for prophetic years are 360 day years. So we should have 42 months(1260 days) jacobs trouble then 42 months(1260 days) the first half of the 7 year tribulation and then 42 months(1260 days) for the last half of the tribulation and the death of the 2 witnesses for a total of 3780 days from the "day of the lord" to the death of the 2 witneeses.

If Elijah doesn't at least show up 40 days before the "day of the lord" with the attempt to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers I would be bewildered.

I believe Elijah shows up for the call to repentance for 40 and then does the same thing Paul did instead of going into Jerusalem Paul went into arabia(the wilderness) for 3 years to be taught by Jesus as paul states in Galtaians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Hello Waterman,
What do you think about the star of david alignement taking place tthe moment?
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


I'm very curious about it because it is in the 40 day period between July 28/29 and Rosh Hashanah Sept 5/6 2013...and possibly a 40 day call to repentance could come that day if an Elijah shows up......I guess I'll wait and see....thanks for your post
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A 40 day call of repentance could come forth from a major disaster or a great crisis, just as well as an Elijah's appearance could. Repentance call is a repentance call, regardless of what force God brings about to manifest that repentant attitude. It is not the declaration of the repentance announcement that is necessary toward that repentance....but the need of understanding the necessity of that requirement. This, in my opinion, is more often than not, through some grave revelation of a certain tragic happening.
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I look at it with the point of view that ninevah will stand up and testify against the united states in the end and if a Jonah/Elijah type isn't sent with a 40 day call to repentance the united states would call a "that's no fair" If the "day of the Lord" is the destruction of the u.s and Elijah comes before the "day of the Lord" it would be to bring a call of repentance before judgement comes

The prophetic time clock should start and I'm just guessing 40 days after Elijah shows up and the calendar years for prophetic years are 360 day years. So we should have 42 months(1260 days) jacobs trouble then 42 months(1260 days) the first half of the 7 year tribulation and then 42 months(1260 days) for the last half of the tribulation and the death of the 2 witnesses for a total of 3780 days from the "day of the lord" to the death of the 2 witneeses.

If Elijah doesn't at least show up 40 days before the "day of the lord" with the attempt to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers I would be bewildered.

I believe Elijah shows up for the call to repentance for 40 and then does the same thing Paul did instead of going into Jerusalem Paul went into arabia(the wilderness) for 3 years to be taught by Jesus as paul states in Galtaians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: waterman


Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events.

God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time.
Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6].

As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman.

Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word.

[Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved.

This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came.

{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings.

Again I know your calculations are through the reading of the stars, but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim.
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I'm very curious about it because it is in the 40 day period between July 28/29 and Rosh Hashanah Sept 5/6 2013...and possibly a 40 day call to repentance could come that day if an Elijah shows up......I guess I'll wait and see....thanks for your post
 Quoting: waterman


A 40 day call of repentance could come forth from a major disaster or a great crisis, just as well as an Elijah's appearance could. Repentance call is a repentance call, regardless of what force God brings about to manifest that repentant attitude. It is not the declaration of the repentance announcement that is necessary toward that repentance....but the need of understanding the necessity of that requirement. This, in my opinion, is more often than not, through some grave revelation of a certain tragic happening.
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I look at it with the point of view that ninevah will stand up and testify against the united states in the end and if a Jonah/Elijah type isn't sent with a 40 day call to repentance the united states would call a "that's no fair" If the "day of the Lord" is the destruction of the u.s and Elijah comes before the "day of the Lord" it would be to bring a call of repentance before judgement comes

The prophetic time clock should start and I'm just guessing 40 days after Elijah shows up and the calendar years for prophetic years are 360 day years. So we should have 42 months(1260 days) jacobs trouble then 42 months(1260 days) the first half of the 7 year tribulation and then 42 months(1260 days) for the last half of the tribulation and the death of the 2 witnesses for a total of 3780 days from the "day of the lord" to the death of the 2 witneeses.

If Elijah doesn't at least show up 40 days before the "day of the lord" with the attempt to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers I would be bewildered.

I believe Elijah shows up for the call to repentance for 40 and then does the same thing Paul did instead of going into Jerusalem Paul went into arabia(the wilderness) for 3 years to be taught by Jesus as paul states in Galtaians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: waterman


Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events.

God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time.
Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6].

As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman.

Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word.

[Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved.

This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came.

{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings.

Again I know your calculations are through the reading of the stars, but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.


You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people


It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said
Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn.






as for this part:
{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november
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A 40 day call of repentance could come forth from a major disaster or a great crisis, just as well as an Elijah's appearance could. Repentance call is a repentance call, regardless of what force God brings about to manifest that repentant attitude. It is not the declaration of the repentance announcement that is necessary toward that repentance....but the need of understanding the necessity of that requirement. This, in my opinion, is more often than not, through some grave revelation of a certain tragic happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I look at it with the point of view that ninevah will stand up and testify against the united states in the end and if a Jonah/Elijah type isn't sent with a 40 day call to repentance the united states would call a "that's no fair" If the "day of the Lord" is the destruction of the u.s and Elijah comes before the "day of the Lord" it would be to bring a call of repentance before judgement comes

The prophetic time clock should start and I'm just guessing 40 days after Elijah shows up and the calendar years for prophetic years are 360 day years. So we should have 42 months(1260 days) jacobs trouble then 42 months(1260 days) the first half of the 7 year tribulation and then 42 months(1260 days) for the last half of the tribulation and the death of the 2 witnesses for a total of 3780 days from the "day of the lord" to the death of the 2 witneeses.

If Elijah doesn't at least show up 40 days before the "day of the lord" with the attempt to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers I would be bewildered.

I believe Elijah shows up for the call to repentance for 40 and then does the same thing Paul did instead of going into Jerusalem Paul went into arabia(the wilderness) for 3 years to be taught by Jesus as paul states in Galtaians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: waterman


Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events.

God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time.
Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6].

As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman.

Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word.

[Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved.

This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came.

{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings.

Again I know your calculations are through the reading of the stars, but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.


You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people


It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said
Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn.






as for this part:
{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november
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A 40 day call of repentance could come forth from a major disaster or a great crisis, just as well as an Elijah's appearance could. Repentance call is a repentance call, regardless of what force God brings about to manifest that repentant attitude. It is not the declaration of the repentance announcement that is necessary toward that repentance....but the need of understanding the necessity of that requirement. This, in my opinion, is more often than not, through some grave revelation of a certain tragic happening.
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I look at it with the point of view that ninevah will stand up and testify against the united states in the end and if a Jonah/Elijah type isn't sent with a 40 day call to repentance the united states would call a "that's no fair" If the "day of the Lord" is the destruction of the u.s and Elijah comes before the "day of the Lord" it would be to bring a call of repentance before judgement comes

The prophetic time clock should start and I'm just guessing 40 days after Elijah shows up and the calendar years for prophetic years are 360 day years. So we should have 42 months(1260 days) jacobs trouble then 42 months(1260 days) the first half of the 7 year tribulation and then 42 months(1260 days) for the last half of the tribulation and the death of the 2 witnesses for a total of 3780 days from the "day of the lord" to the death of the 2 witneeses.

If Elijah doesn't at least show up 40 days before the "day of the lord" with the attempt to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers I would be bewildered.

I believe Elijah shows up for the call to repentance for 40 and then does the same thing Paul did instead of going into Jerusalem Paul went into arabia(the wilderness) for 3 years to be taught by Jesus as paul states in Galtaians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: waterman


Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events.

God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time.
Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6].

As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman.

Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word.

[Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved.

This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came.

{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings.

Again I know your calculations are through the reading of the stars, but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.


You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people


It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said
Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn.






as for this part:
{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman, waterman, waterman, you never cease to amaze me how you can conjure up statements to fit your own conjectures of adversely declaring what scripture clearly is actually stating.

Now, nowhere does it state anywhere, that Paul was in Arabia three years, and especially not in [Gal. 1:12] as you stated in your earlier post. I knew this as a fact when you quoted it, for it happened to be one of the books I memorized many years ago, through God's grace. You I believe was seeking to reflect [Gal.1:17-18] and its meaning. No, it does not say he (Paul) spent three years in Arabia or any mention of Mt. Sinai. It simply states he went into Arabia and than returned to Damascus (Gal.1:17]. Then afterwards in three years he returned to Jerusalem [Gal.1:18]. He simply returned to Jerusalem after being in Damascus for approx three years.

You make it sound like Paul's over at Mt. Sinai talking to Jesus for three solid years. There is no solid bases of such a happening in these verses, except perhaps through the imagination. You know that thing we are admonished to cast down.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God [2Cor.10:5].


There is no verse in all of scripture that even indicates that the woman going into the wilderness is at Mt. Sinai. Albeit, many believe it will be Mt. Hermon Israel that God will direct her to, we shall see. Seems simpler for the movement of the two witnesses, and God's people to move about Jerusalem in the end days if they need only come forth periodically only a few miles from Mt. Hermon, compared to hundreds of miles every trip into Jerusalem from Mt. Sinai.

Makes no sense whatsoever to say over half the nation will not look like the garden of Eden when the enemy comes forth, but God was just declaring the destruction for half a nation. The heck with that old cold Northern states that sets in some frost-land in November. God does not act this way. He is inclusive of the whole nation when speaking prophetical, just as the whole person when spoken of prophetically. Use some discernment waterman, don't make-up the story as you go along..lol.

Elijah restoring all things has an implication of the tribal positions, not in the order of establishing all things in many other matters. Jesus only, is the only restorer of all things in all matters.

A great sign can mean many things. Simply because the depiction of the woman appears with stars, and the sun, and the moon, does not mean it is in reference to the heavenly aspect of its meaning, it is but only the symbolism of its writings. Just as much of Revelation is symbolic/metaphors. I am pretty sure a big dragon in the sky is not really what Satan actually looks like.

As I stated earlier on this thread it is not necessarily the announcement of the need for repentance that induces an action, as much as an event of a crisis/disaster that awakens an action....of the souls of men/women.
Nevertheless, we shall see. You may be half right, than again in all sincere humility...I may also be half right...or more...lol.
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According to the Book of Exodus Mount Sinai (Hebrew: הר סיני, Har Sinai) is the mountain at which the Ten Commandments were given to Moses by God. In the Book of Deuteronomy, these events are described as having transpired at Mount Horeb.

According to the documentary hypothesis, the name "Sinai" is only used in the Torah by the Jahwist and Priestly Source, whereas Horeb is only used by the Elohist and Deuteronomist.[1] "Sinai" and "Horeb" are generally considered to refer to the same place, although there is a small body of opinion that the two names may refer to different locations.
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According to the Book of Exodus Mount Sinai (Hebrew: הר סיני, Har Sinai) is the mountain at which the Ten Commandments were given to Moses by God. In the Book of Deuteronomy, these events are described as having transpired at Mount Horeb.

According to the documentary hypothesis, the name "Sinai" is only used in the Torah by the Jahwist and Priestly Source, whereas Horeb is only used by the Elohist and Deuteronomist.[1] "Sinai" and "Horeb" are generally considered to refer to the same place, although there is a small body of opinion that the two names may refer to different locations.
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That is nice, but what has that to do with Mt Hermon in northern Israel? Look at any map of Israel.
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I look at it with the point of view that ninevah will stand up and testify against the united states in the end and if a Jonah/Elijah type isn't sent with a 40 day call to repentance the united states would call a "that's no fair" If the "day of the Lord" is the destruction of the u.s and Elijah comes before the "day of the Lord" it would be to bring a call of repentance before judgement comes

The prophetic time clock should start and I'm just guessing 40 days after Elijah shows up and the calendar years for prophetic years are 360 day years. So we should have 42 months(1260 days) jacobs trouble then 42 months(1260 days) the first half of the 7 year tribulation and then 42 months(1260 days) for the last half of the tribulation and the death of the 2 witnesses for a total of 3780 days from the "day of the lord" to the death of the 2 witneeses.

If Elijah doesn't at least show up 40 days before the "day of the lord" with the attempt to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers I would be bewildered.

I believe Elijah shows up for the call to repentance for 40 and then does the same thing Paul did instead of going into Jerusalem Paul went into arabia(the wilderness) for 3 years to be taught by Jesus as paul states in Galtaians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: waterman


Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events.

God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time.
Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6].

As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman.

Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word.

[Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved.

This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came.

{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings.

Again I know your calculations are through the reading of the stars, but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.


You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people


It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said
Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn.






as for this part:
{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman, waterman, waterman, you never cease to amaze me how you can conjure up statements to fit your own conjectures of adversely declaring what scripture clearly is actually stating.

Now, nowhere does it state anywhere, that Paul was in Arabia three years, and especially not in [Gal. 1:12] as you stated in your earlier post. I knew this as a fact when you quoted it, for it happened to be one of the books I memorized many years ago, through God's grace. You I believe was seeking to reflect [Gal.1:17-18] and its meaning. No, it does not say he (Paul) spent three years in Arabia or any mention of Mt. Sinai. It simply states he went into Arabia and than returned to Damascus (Gal.1:17]. Then afterwards in three years he returned to Jerusalem [Gal.1:18]. He simply returned to Jerusalem after being in Damascus for approx three years.

You make it sound like Paul's over at Mt. Sinai talking to Jesus for three solid years. There is no solid bases of such a happening in these verses, except perhaps through the imagination. You know that thing we are admonished to cast down.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God [2Cor.10:5].


There is no verse in all of scripture that even indicates that the woman going into the wilderness is at Mt. Sinai. Albeit, many believe it will be Mt. Hermon Israel that God will direct her to, we shall see. Seems simpler for the movement of the two witnesses, and God's people to move about Jerusalem in the end days if they need only come forth periodically only a few miles from Mt. Hermon, compared to hundreds of miles every trip into Jerusalem from Mt. Sinai.

Makes no sense whatsoever to say over half the nation will not look like the garden of Eden when the enemy comes forth, but God was just declaring the destruction for half a nation. The heck with that old cold Northern states that sets in some frost-land in November. God does not act this way. He is inclusive of the whole nation when speaking prophetical, just as the whole person when spoken of prophetically. Use some discernment waterman, don't make-up the story as you go along..lol.

Elijah restoring all things has an implication of the tribal positions, not in the order of establishing all things in many other matters. Jesus only, is the only restorer of all things in all matters.

A great sign can mean many things. Simply because the depiction of the woman appears with stars, and the sun, and the moon, does not mean it is in reference to the heavenly aspect of its meaning, it is but only the symbolism of its writings. Just as much of Revelation is symbolic/metaphors. I am pretty sure a big dragon in the sky is not really what Satan actually looks like.

As I stated earlier on this thread it is not necessarily the announcement of the need for repentance that induces an action, as much as an event of a crisis/disaster that awakens an action....of the souls of men/women.
Nevertheless, we shall see. You may be half right, than again in all sincere humility...I may also be half right...or more...lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years
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According to the Book of Exodus Mount Sinai (Hebrew: הר סיני, Har Sinai) is the mountain at which the Ten Commandments were given to Moses by God. In the Book of Deuteronomy, these events are described as having transpired at Mount Horeb.

According to the documentary hypothesis, the name "Sinai" is only used in the Torah by the Jahwist and Priestly Source, whereas Horeb is only used by the Elohist and Deuteronomist.[1] "Sinai" and "Horeb" are generally considered to refer to the same place, although there is a small body of opinion that the two names may refer to different locations.
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That is nice, but what has that to do with Mt Hermon in northern Israel? Look at any map of Israel.
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my mistake you said hermon and i was looking at horeb where Elijah went to spend wilderness time
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we finally found something we agree on Elijah will restore tribal positions....I'm still under the impression you think Elijah will somehow make the kingship(judah tribe) and preisthood(levi tribe) join some way and turn it into a melchelzedek preisthood instead of the levitical and davidical priesthood and kingship it is supposed to be because earth is always lesser than heavenly as it is a shadow of things in heaven but not equal to but lesser than and you can't have a levitic and davidic kingship/ptiesthood in one person without it cancelling out the levitic and davidic and making it melchelzedek....it can't be done in one person that is why you have 2 witneeses one priest and one king both dying to be testators of their testament and raising 3 days later to bring strength to the testament and being the firstfruits just as Jesus was of his testament Melchelzedek KING/PRIEST.
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Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events.

God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time.
Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6].

As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman.

Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word.

[Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved.

This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came.

{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings.

Again I know your calculations are through the reading of the stars, but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.


You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people


It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said
Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn.






as for this part:
{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman, waterman, waterman, you never cease to amaze me how you can conjure up statements to fit your own conjectures of adversely declaring what scripture clearly is actually stating.

Now, nowhere does it state anywhere, that Paul was in Arabia three years, and especially not in [Gal. 1:12] as you stated in your earlier post. I knew this as a fact when you quoted it, for it happened to be one of the books I memorized many years ago, through God's grace. You I believe was seeking to reflect [Gal.1:17-18] and its meaning. No, it does not say he (Paul) spent three years in Arabia or any mention of Mt. Sinai. It simply states he went into Arabia and than returned to Damascus (Gal.1:17]. Then afterwards in three years he returned to Jerusalem [Gal.1:18]. He simply returned to Jerusalem after being in Damascus for approx three years.

You make it sound like Paul's over at Mt. Sinai talking to Jesus for three solid years. There is no solid bases of such a happening in these verses, except perhaps through the imagination. You know that thing we are admonished to cast down.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God [2Cor.10:5].


There is no verse in all of scripture that even indicates that the woman going into the wilderness is at Mt. Sinai. Albeit, many believe it will be Mt. Hermon Israel that God will direct her to, we shall see. Seems simpler for the movement of the two witnesses, and God's people to move about Jerusalem in the end days if they need only come forth periodically only a few miles from Mt. Hermon, compared to hundreds of miles every trip into Jerusalem from Mt. Sinai.

Makes no sense whatsoever to say over half the nation will not look like the garden of Eden when the enemy comes forth, but God was just declaring the destruction for half a nation. The heck with that old cold Northern states that sets in some frost-land in November. God does not act this way. He is inclusive of the whole nation when speaking prophetical, just as the whole person when spoken of prophetically. Use some discernment waterman, don't make-up the story as you go along..lol.

Elijah restoring all things has an implication of the tribal positions, not in the order of establishing all things in many other matters. Jesus only, is the only restorer of all things in all matters.

A great sign can mean many things. Simply because the depiction of the woman appears with stars, and the sun, and the moon, does not mean it is in reference to the heavenly aspect of its meaning, it is but only the symbolism of its writings. Just as much of Revelation is symbolic/metaphors. I am pretty sure a big dragon in the sky is not really what Satan actually looks like.

As I stated earlier on this thread it is not necessarily the announcement of the need for repentance that induces an action, as much as an event of a crisis/disaster that awakens an action....of the souls of men/women.
Nevertheless, we shall see. You may be half right, than again in all sincere humility...I may also be half right...or more...lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years
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Reference on miles from Jerusalem to Damascus is 135 miles

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Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events.

God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time.
Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6].

As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman.

Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word.

[Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved.

This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came.

{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings.

Again I know your calculations are through the reading of the stars, but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.


You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people


It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said
Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn.






as for this part:
{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman, waterman, waterman, you never cease to amaze me how you can conjure up statements to fit your own conjectures of adversely declaring what scripture clearly is actually stating.

Now, nowhere does it state anywhere, that Paul was in Arabia three years, and especially not in [Gal. 1:12] as you stated in your earlier post. I knew this as a fact when you quoted it, for it happened to be one of the books I memorized many years ago, through God's grace. You I believe was seeking to reflect [Gal.1:17-18] and its meaning. No, it does not say he (Paul) spent three years in Arabia or any mention of Mt. Sinai. It simply states he went into Arabia and than returned to Damascus (Gal.1:17]. Then afterwards in three years he returned to Jerusalem [Gal.1:18]. He simply returned to Jerusalem after being in Damascus for approx three years.

You make it sound like Paul's over at Mt. Sinai talking to Jesus for three solid years. There is no solid bases of such a happening in these verses, except perhaps through the imagination. You know that thing we are admonished to cast down.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God [2Cor.10:5].


There is no verse in all of scripture that even indicates that the woman going into the wilderness is at Mt. Sinai. Albeit, many believe it will be Mt. Hermon Israel that God will direct her to, we shall see. Seems simpler for the movement of the two witnesses, and God's people to move about Jerusalem in the end days if they need only come forth periodically only a few miles from Mt. Hermon, compared to hundreds of miles every trip into Jerusalem from Mt. Sinai.

Makes no sense whatsoever to say over half the nation will not look like the garden of Eden when the enemy comes forth, but God was just declaring the destruction for half a nation. The heck with that old cold Northern states that sets in some frost-land in November. God does not act this way. He is inclusive of the whole nation when speaking prophetical, just as the whole person when spoken of prophetically. Use some discernment waterman, don't make-up the story as you go along..lol.

Elijah restoring all things has an implication of the tribal positions, not in the order of establishing all things in many other matters. Jesus only, is the only restorer of all things in all matters.

A great sign can mean many things. Simply because the depiction of the woman appears with stars, and the sun, and the moon, does not mean it is in reference to the heavenly aspect of its meaning, it is but only the symbolism of its writings. Just as much of Revelation is symbolic/metaphors. I am pretty sure a big dragon in the sky is not really what Satan actually looks like.

As I stated earlier on this thread it is not necessarily the announcement of the need for repentance that induces an action, as much as an event of a crisis/disaster that awakens an action....of the souls of men/women.
Nevertheless, we shall see. You may be half right, than again in all sincere humility...I may also be half right...or more...lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years
 Quoting: waterman


I believe it be 70/30 in my favor. Consider the evidence of a truth recognized. Remember Damascus and the brother of Paul's fellowship. Remember that brother, whose name was Ananias. Who risk his life to follow the obedient command of his master. Now Ananias it is declared in the word was obedient and followed the instructions to pray for his brother Paul. Through this obedient action Paul received his sight back and was filled with the holy spirit.

Now I have never been physically blind, but to receive your sight, once blind must be a wondrous experience. Nevertheless, being baptised in the holy spirit is an experience that is unexplainable to all those who have not known its effect.

Now, here is a man (Paul) who knew the ways of the law and served them all his life and believe it was the road toward salvation. So he goes and decides to set himself down for the next three years next to a lonely long deserted mountain in Arabia or find the fellowship he now sought out in Christ and his salvation. God is a God of motion. We need not seek out Christ through our yesterdays. Christ is not in a deserted mountain, its purposed fulfilled and past. No, not of the memories of our yesteryear's is the fellowship of the present, but that fellowship is in Christ. In his servants and the words of our testimonies toward the witness of his salvation toward those still seeking.

No, I do not believe Paul went back to his old ways seeking salvation through the law of Moses and the ways of Sinai, but through the fellowship of his brother in Christ and those fellows with him did they in communion of the greater things than the strident rules of the law's commands. For where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
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It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.


You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people


It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said
Matthew 17:11:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn.






as for this part:
{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.

The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman, waterman, waterman, you never cease to amaze me how you can conjure up statements to fit your own conjectures of adversely declaring what scripture clearly is actually stating.

Now, nowhere does it state anywhere, that Paul was in Arabia three years, and especially not in [Gal. 1:12] as you stated in your earlier post. I knew this as a fact when you quoted it, for it happened to be one of the books I memorized many years ago, through God's grace. You I believe was seeking to reflect [Gal.1:17-18] and its meaning. No, it does not say he (Paul) spent three years in Arabia or any mention of Mt. Sinai. It simply states he went into Arabia and than returned to Damascus (Gal.1:17]. Then afterwards in three years he returned to Jerusalem [Gal.1:18]. He simply returned to Jerusalem after being in Damascus for approx three years.

You make it sound like Paul's over at Mt. Sinai talking to Jesus for three solid years. There is no solid bases of such a happening in these verses, except perhaps through the imagination. You know that thing we are admonished to cast down.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God [2Cor.10:5].


There is no verse in all of scripture that even indicates that the woman going into the wilderness is at Mt. Sinai. Albeit, many believe it will be Mt. Hermon Israel that God will direct her to, we shall see. Seems simpler for the movement of the two witnesses, and God's people to move about Jerusalem in the end days if they need only come forth periodically only a few miles from Mt. Hermon, compared to hundreds of miles every trip into Jerusalem from Mt. Sinai.

Makes no sense whatsoever to say over half the nation will not look like the garden of Eden when the enemy comes forth, but God was just declaring the destruction for half a nation. The heck with that old cold Northern states that sets in some frost-land in November. God does not act this way. He is inclusive of the whole nation when speaking prophetical, just as the whole person when spoken of prophetically. Use some discernment waterman, don't make-up the story as you go along..lol.

Elijah restoring all things has an implication of the tribal positions, not in the order of establishing all things in many other matters. Jesus only, is the only restorer of all things in all matters.

A great sign can mean many things. Simply because the depiction of the woman appears with stars, and the sun, and the moon, does not mean it is in reference to the heavenly aspect of its meaning, it is but only the symbolism of its writings. Just as much of Revelation is symbolic/metaphors. I am pretty sure a big dragon in the sky is not really what Satan actually looks like.

As I stated earlier on this thread it is not necessarily the announcement of the need for repentance that induces an action, as much as an event of a crisis/disaster that awakens an action....of the souls of men/women.
Nevertheless, we shall see. You may be half right, than again in all sincere humility...I may also be half right...or more...lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years
 Quoting: waterman


I believe it be 70/30 in my favor. Consider the evidence of a truth recognized. Remember Damascus and the brother of Paul's fellowship. Remember that brother, whose name was Ananias. Who risk his life to follow the obedient command of his master. Now Ananias it is declared in the word was obedient and followed the instructions to pray for his brother Paul. Through this obedient action Paul received his sight back and was filled with the holy spirit.

Now I have never been physically blind, but to receive your sight, once blind must be a wondrous experience. Nevertheless, being baptised in the holy spirit is an experience that is unexplainable to all those who have not known its effect.

Now, here is a man (Paul) who knew the ways of the law and served them all his life and believe it was the road toward salvation. So he goes and decides to set himself down for the next three years next to a lonely long deserted mountain in Arabia or find the fellowship he now sought out in Christ and his salvation. God is a God of motion. We need not seek out Christ through our yesterdays. Christ is not in a deserted mountain, its purposed fulfilled and past. No, not of the memories of our yesteryear's is the fellowship of the present, but that fellowship is in Christ. In his servants and the words of our testimonies toward the witness of his salvation toward those still seeking.

No, I do not believe Paul went back to his old ways seeking salvation through the law of Moses and the ways of Sinai, but through the fellowship of his brother in Christ and those fellows with him did they in communion of the greater things than the strident rules of the law's commands. For where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


lol you sure about the 70 percent...Jesus himself had to go through 40 days of wilderness and your telling me paul didn't have a wilderness time...of course he was beaten and tortured but he had to have spent time in the wilderness before going directly into bringing forth new revealtion as he did and paul said he didnt learn it from anybody but the revelation of Jesus himself...I belive paul spent 3 years and to be exact 42 mmonths in the wilderness just as the elijah to come will do the same
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The Day of the Lord STARTS in the 6th seal of Revelation:

Revelation 6
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave[e] and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

The USA is terminated along with a bunch of apostate, lukewarm, exChristian nations in the 4th seal:

7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.

So IMHO Elijah does not have to come for the USA, because there is plenty of time for him to do his job in the 5th seal. The USA has been blessed with thousands of prophets, churches in every town, Bibles in every house, and yet they still spit on their Lord and will NOT repent. So they will be judged in a few years from now.

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