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Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013

 
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we finally found something we agree on Elijah will restore tribal positions....I'm still under the impression you think Elijah will somehow make the kingship(judah tribe) and preisthood(levi tribe) join some way and turn it into a melchelzedek preisthood instead of the levitical and davidical priesthood and kingship it is supposed to be because earth is always lesser than heavenly as it is a shadow of things in heaven but not equal to but lesser than and you can't have a levitic and davidic kingship/ptiesthood in one person without it cancelling out the levitic and davidic and making it melchelzedek....it can't be done in one person that is why you have 2 witneeses one priest and one king both dying to be testators of their testament and raising 3 days later to bring strength to the testament and being the firstfruits just as Jesus was of his testament Melchelzedek KING/PRIEST.
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I agree to a certain extent that, that symbolic Elijah has his place in the end days, but you place him in a position that takes from the other witness, and that, God would not be in favor of. For his highest anointing is on that other hidden witness. Even as Moses was greater in his duties than was Aaron in his.
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we finally found something we agree on Elijah will restore tribal positions....I'm still under the impression you think Elijah will somehow make the kingship(judah tribe) and preisthood(levi tribe) join some way and turn it into a melchelzedek preisthood instead of the levitical and davidical priesthood and kingship it is supposed to be because earth is always lesser than heavenly as it is a shadow of things in heaven but not equal to but lesser than and you can't have a levitic and davidic kingship/ptiesthood in one person without it cancelling out the levitic and davidic and making it melchelzedek....it can't be done in one person that is why you have 2 witneeses one priest and one king both dying to be testators of their testament and raising 3 days later to bring strength to the testament and being the firstfruits just as Jesus was of his testament Melchelzedek KING/PRIEST.
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I agree to a certain extent that, that symbolic Elijah has his place in the end days, but you place him in a position that takes from the other witness, and that, God would not be in favor of. For his highest anointing is on that other hidden witness. Even as Moses was greater in his duties than was Aaron in his.
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The problem is your trying to give the duties of priesthood and kingship to one person and they are 2 separate offices otherwise they would be melchelzedek office and the 2 offices on earth that are promised eternal are levitical and davidic...you cant have one person holding both offices or it voids it and makes it melchelzedek and you don't have the promised levitic and davidic priesthood and kingship being fulfilled....your seeing the position of Jesus very clearly but you cant see the separation of the 2 witnesses offices.
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Waterman, waterman, waterman, you never cease to amaze me how you can conjure up statements to fit your own conjectures of adversely declaring what scripture clearly is actually stating.

Now, nowhere does it state anywhere, that Paul was in Arabia three years, and especially not in [Gal. 1:12] as you stated in your earlier post. I knew this as a fact when you quoted it, for it happened to be one of the books I memorized many years ago, through God's grace. You I believe was seeking to reflect [Gal.1:17-18] and its meaning. No, it does not say he (Paul) spent three years in Arabia or any mention of Mt. Sinai. It simply states he went into Arabia and than returned to Damascus (Gal.1:17]. Then afterwards in three years he returned to Jerusalem [Gal.1:18]. He simply returned to Jerusalem after being in Damascus for approx three years.

You make it sound like Paul's over at Mt. Sinai talking to Jesus for three solid years. There is no solid bases of such a happening in these verses, except perhaps through the imagination. You know that thing we are admonished to cast down.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God [2Cor.10:5].


There is no verse in all of scripture that even indicates that the woman going into the wilderness is at Mt. Sinai. Albeit, many believe it will be Mt. Hermon Israel that God will direct her to, we shall see. Seems simpler for the movement of the two witnesses, and God's people to move about Jerusalem in the end days if they need only come forth periodically only a few miles from Mt. Hermon, compared to hundreds of miles every trip into Jerusalem from Mt. Sinai.

Makes no sense whatsoever to say over half the nation will not look like the garden of Eden when the enemy comes forth, but God was just declaring the destruction for half a nation. The heck with that old cold Northern states that sets in some frost-land in November. God does not act this way. He is inclusive of the whole nation when speaking prophetical, just as the whole person when spoken of prophetically. Use some discernment waterman, don't make-up the story as you go along..lol.

Elijah restoring all things has an implication of the tribal positions, not in the order of establishing all things in many other matters. Jesus only, is the only restorer of all things in all matters.

A great sign can mean many things. Simply because the depiction of the woman appears with stars, and the sun, and the moon, does not mean it is in reference to the heavenly aspect of its meaning, it is but only the symbolism of its writings. Just as much of Revelation is symbolic/metaphors. I am pretty sure a big dragon in the sky is not really what Satan actually looks like.

As I stated earlier on this thread it is not necessarily the announcement of the need for repentance that induces an action, as much as an event of a crisis/disaster that awakens an action....of the souls of men/women.
Nevertheless, we shall see. You may be half right, than again in all sincere humility...I may also be half right...or more...lol.
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It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years
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I believe it be 70/30 in my favor. Consider the evidence of a truth recognized. Remember Damascus and the brother of Paul's fellowship. Remember that brother, whose name was Ananias. Who risk his life to follow the obedient command of his master. Now Ananias it is declared in the word was obedient and followed the instructions to pray for his brother Paul. Through this obedient action Paul received his sight back and was filled with the holy spirit.

Now I have never been physically blind, but to receive your sight, once blind must be a wondrous experience. Nevertheless, being baptised in the holy spirit is an experience that is unexplainable to all those who have not known its effect.

Now, here is a man (Paul) who knew the ways of the law and served them all his life and believe it was the road toward salvation. So he goes and decides to set himself down for the next three years next to a lonely long deserted mountain in Arabia or find the fellowship he now sought out in Christ and his salvation. God is a God of motion. We need not seek out Christ through our yesterdays. Christ is not in a deserted mountain, its purposed fulfilled and past. No, not of the memories of our yesteryear's is the fellowship of the present, but that fellowship is in Christ. In his servants and the words of our testimonies toward the witness of his salvation toward those still seeking.

No, I do not believe Paul went back to his old ways seeking salvation through the law of Moses and the ways of Sinai, but through the fellowship of his brother in Christ and those fellows with him did they in communion of the greater things than the strident rules of the law's commands. For where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
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lol you sure about the 70 percent...Jesus himself had to go through 40 days of wilderness and your telling me paul didn't have a wilderness time...of course he was beaten and tortured but he had to have spent time in the wilderness before going directly into bringing forth new revealtion as he did and paul said he didnt learn it from anybody but the revelation of Jesus himself...I belive paul spent 3 years and to be exact 42 mmonths in the wilderness just as the elijah to come will do the same
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No man after going through the wilderness, need go through the same wilderness, the lessen has been taught. I believe, Paul's lessen was taught not on the road of the law, but the road of Damascus. You need not spend your time in some desert place to receive new revelations. Unless, of course you are claiming new revelations, because you spent your time in a desert place, or was you surrounded by others and and their fellowship and still received what is revealed to you.
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It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years
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I believe it be 70/30 in my favor. Consider the evidence of a truth recognized. Remember Damascus and the brother of Paul's fellowship. Remember that brother, whose name was Ananias. Who risk his life to follow the obedient command of his master. Now Ananias it is declared in the word was obedient and followed the instructions to pray for his brother Paul. Through this obedient action Paul received his sight back and was filled with the holy spirit.

Now I have never been physically blind, but to receive your sight, once blind must be a wondrous experience. Nevertheless, being baptised in the holy spirit is an experience that is unexplainable to all those who have not known its effect.

Now, here is a man (Paul) who knew the ways of the law and served them all his life and believe it was the road toward salvation. So he goes and decides to set himself down for the next three years next to a lonely long deserted mountain in Arabia or find the fellowship he now sought out in Christ and his salvation. God is a God of motion. We need not seek out Christ through our yesterdays. Christ is not in a deserted mountain, its purposed fulfilled and past. No, not of the memories of our yesteryear's is the fellowship of the present, but that fellowship is in Christ. In his servants and the words of our testimonies toward the witness of his salvation toward those still seeking.

No, I do not believe Paul went back to his old ways seeking salvation through the law of Moses and the ways of Sinai, but through the fellowship of his brother in Christ and those fellows with him did they in communion of the greater things than the strident rules of the law's commands. For where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
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lol you sure about the 70 percent...Jesus himself had to go through 40 days of wilderness and your telling me paul didn't have a wilderness time...of course he was beaten and tortured but he had to have spent time in the wilderness before going directly into bringing forth new revealtion as he did and paul said he didnt learn it from anybody but the revelation of Jesus himself...I belive paul spent 3 years and to be exact 42 mmonths in the wilderness just as the elijah to come will do the same
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No man after going through the wilderness, need go through the same wilderness, the lessen has been taught. I believe, Paul's lessen was taught not on the road of the law, but the road of Damascus. You need not spend your time in some desert place to receive new revelations. Unless, of course you are claiming new revelations, because you spent your time in a desert place, or was you surrounded by others and and their fellowship and still received what is revealed to you.
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please let that be my wilderness experience 3 days of blindness and friends comes and fellowship with me that would be awesome
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we finally found something we agree on Elijah will restore tribal positions....I'm still under the impression you think Elijah will somehow make the kingship(judah tribe) and preisthood(levi tribe) join some way and turn it into a melchelzedek preisthood instead of the levitical and davidical priesthood and kingship it is supposed to be because earth is always lesser than heavenly as it is a shadow of things in heaven but not equal to but lesser than and you can't have a levitic and davidic kingship/ptiesthood in one person without it cancelling out the levitic and davidic and making it melchelzedek....it can't be done in one person that is why you have 2 witneeses one priest and one king both dying to be testators of their testament and raising 3 days later to bring strength to the testament and being the firstfruits just as Jesus was of his testament Melchelzedek KING/PRIEST.
 Quoting: waterman


I agree to a certain extent that, that symbolic Elijah has his place in the end days, but you place him in a position that takes from the other witness, and that, God would not be in favor of. For his highest anointing is on that other hidden witness. Even as Moses was greater in his duties than was Aaron in his.
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The problem is your trying to give the duties of priesthood and kingship to one person and they are 2 separate offices otherwise they would be melchelzedek office and the 2 offices on earth that are promised eternal are levitical and davidic...you cant have one person holding both offices or it voids it and makes it melchelzedek and you don't have the promised levitic and davidic priesthood and kingship being fulfilled....your seeing the position of Jesus very clearly but you cant see the separation of the 2 witnesses offices.
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Adam was given such a position in its beginning, holding both offices in his service to his creator. Though we never witness these duties in there full extent. I am sure ruler-ship and priesthood for the failures of his tribal family at that time/times were his, as head of the household, and his duties. And do not say Eve was the priest, there is no such evidence shall ever was the head/ruler/holder/ of the household, as is that man as the holder of the signet ring.
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we finally found something we agree on Elijah will restore tribal positions....I'm still under the impression you think Elijah will somehow make the kingship(judah tribe) and preisthood(levi tribe) join some way and turn it into a melchelzedek preisthood instead of the levitical and davidical priesthood and kingship it is supposed to be because earth is always lesser than heavenly as it is a shadow of things in heaven but not equal to but lesser than and you can't have a levitic and davidic kingship/ptiesthood in one person without it cancelling out the levitic and davidic and making it melchelzedek....it can't be done in one person that is why you have 2 witneeses one priest and one king both dying to be testators of their testament and raising 3 days later to bring strength to the testament and being the firstfruits just as Jesus was of his testament Melchelzedek KING/PRIEST.
 Quoting: waterman


I agree to a certain extent that, that symbolic Elijah has his place in the end days, but you place him in a position that takes from the other witness, and that, God would not be in favor of. For his highest anointing is on that other hidden witness. Even as Moses was greater in his duties than was Aaron in his.
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The problem is your trying to give the duties of priesthood and kingship to one person and they are 2 separate offices otherwise they would be melchelzedek office and the 2 offices on earth that are promised eternal are levitical and davidic...you cant have one person holding both offices or it voids it and makes it melchelzedek and you don't have the promised levitic and davidic priesthood and kingship being fulfilled....your seeing the position of Jesus very clearly but you cant see the separation of the 2 witnesses offices.
 Quoting: waterman


Adam was given such a position in its beginning, holding both offices in his service to his creator. Though we never witness these duties in there full extent. I am sure ruler-ship and priesthood for the failures of his tribal family at that time/times were his, as head of the household, and his duties. And do not say Eve was the priest, there is no such evidence shall ever was the head/ruler/holder/ of the household, as is that man as the holder of the signet ring.
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Eve only became subserviant to Adam after the fall and in the end will reclaim the same position as the beginning. When Eve received one "side" it had to be priesthood or kinship and you know which one I believe it is if you have read my threads.
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A fact, everything is from God, we are His cretion. The Blessed Trinity's plan is that Mary crush the head of the serpent.

Oh my, just great, King James' fellas (translators) completely altered Genesis 3:15!

From the original, English translation of the first Bible:

Read the footnote to help following the verse.

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.


[15] She shall crush: Ipsa, the woman; so divers of the fathers read this place, conformably to the Latin: others read it ipsum, viz., the seed. The sense is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent's head.

[link to www.drbo.org]

The reason Jesus kept calling His beloved mother "woman."
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I believe it be 70/30 in my favor. Consider the evidence of a truth recognized. Remember Damascus and the brother of Paul's fellowship. Remember that brother, whose name was Ananias. Who risk his life to follow the obedient command of his master. Now Ananias it is declared in the word was obedient and followed the instructions to pray for his brother Paul. Through this obedient action Paul received his sight back and was filled with the holy spirit.

Now I have never been physically blind, but to receive your sight, once blind must be a wondrous experience. Nevertheless, being baptised in the holy spirit is an experience that is unexplainable to all those who have not known its effect.

Now, here is a man (Paul) who knew the ways of the law and served them all his life and believe it was the road toward salvation. So he goes and decides to set himself down for the next three years next to a lonely long deserted mountain in Arabia or find the fellowship he now sought out in Christ and his salvation. God is a God of motion. We need not seek out Christ through our yesterdays. Christ is not in a deserted mountain, its purposed fulfilled and past. No, not of the memories of our yesteryear's is the fellowship of the present, but that fellowship is in Christ. In his servants and the words of our testimonies toward the witness of his salvation toward those still seeking.

No, I do not believe Paul went back to his old ways seeking salvation through the law of Moses and the ways of Sinai, but through the fellowship of his brother in Christ and those fellows with him did they in communion of the greater things than the strident rules of the law's commands. For where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
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lol you sure about the 70 percent...Jesus himself had to go through 40 days of wilderness and your telling me paul didn't have a wilderness time...of course he was beaten and tortured but he had to have spent time in the wilderness before going directly into bringing forth new revealtion as he did and paul said he didnt learn it from anybody but the revelation of Jesus himself...I belive paul spent 3 years and to be exact 42 mmonths in the wilderness just as the elijah to come will do the same
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No man after going through the wilderness, need go through the same wilderness, the lessen has been taught. I believe, Paul's lessen was taught not on the road of the law, but the road of Damascus. You need not spend your time in some desert place to receive new revelations. Unless, of course you are claiming new revelations, because you spent your time in a desert place, or was you surrounded by others and and their fellowship and still received what is revealed to you.
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please let that be my wilderness experience 3 days of blindness and friends comes and fellowship with me that would be awesome
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You would never want the torment Paul experienced his whole tormented life. If it would not have been for his dedication and staunched love for Jesus he could not have endured it. So do not look at a single wilderness experience and classify all members of the body as experiencing the same trial. If a bear is your fear, being locked in a cage with a rat would be a lesser chastisement toward reliance on his saving grace.
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we finally found something we agree on Elijah will restore tribal positions....I'm still under the impression you think Elijah will somehow make the kingship(judah tribe) and preisthood(levi tribe) join some way and turn it into a melchelzedek preisthood instead of the levitical and davidical priesthood and kingship it is supposed to be because earth is always lesser than heavenly as it is a shadow of things in heaven but not equal to but lesser than and you can't have a levitic and davidic kingship/ptiesthood in one person without it cancelling out the levitic and davidic and making it melchelzedek....it can't be done in one person that is why you have 2 witneeses one priest and one king both dying to be testators of their testament and raising 3 days later to bring strength to the testament and being the firstfruits just as Jesus was of his testament Melchelzedek KING/PRIEST.
 Quoting: waterman


I agree to a certain extent that, that symbolic Elijah has his place in the end days, but you place him in a position that takes from the other witness, and that, God would not be in favor of. For his highest anointing is on that other hidden witness. Even as Moses was greater in his duties than was Aaron in his.
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The problem is your trying to give the duties of priesthood and kingship to one person and they are 2 separate offices otherwise they would be melchelzedek office and the 2 offices on earth that are promised eternal are levitical and davidic...you cant have one person holding both offices or it voids it and makes it melchelzedek and you don't have the promised levitic and davidic priesthood and kingship being fulfilled....your seeing the position of Jesus very clearly but you cant see the separation of the 2 witnesses offices.
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How come a discussion of the ministerial priesthood in the
Old Covenant but now in the New Covenant Protestants sadly
reject the ministerial priesthood? Do they not see the
disconnect?

So much our brother and sisters ignore, clinging to their heresies.
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lol you sure about the 70 percent...Jesus himself had to go through 40 days of wilderness and your telling me paul didn't have a wilderness time...of course he was beaten and tortured but he had to have spent time in the wilderness before going directly into bringing forth new revealtion as he did and paul said he didnt learn it from anybody but the revelation of Jesus himself...I belive paul spent 3 years and to be exact 42 mmonths in the wilderness just as the elijah to come will do the same
 Quoting: waterman


No man after going through the wilderness, need go through the same wilderness, the lessen has been taught. I believe, Paul's lessen was taught not on the road of the law, but the road of Damascus. You need not spend your time in some desert place to receive new revelations. Unless, of course you are claiming new revelations, because you spent your time in a desert place, or was you surrounded by others and and their fellowship and still received what is revealed to you.
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please let that be my wilderness experience 3 days of blindness and friends comes and fellowship with me that would be awesome
 Quoting: waterman


You would never want the torment Paul experienced his whole tormented life. If it would not have been for his dedication and staunched love for Jesus he could not have endured it. So do not look at a single wilderness experience and classify all members of the body as experiencing the same trial. If a bear is your fear, being locked in a cage with a rat would be a lesser chastisement toward reliance on his saving grace.
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I'm going to turn in hope ya didn't get too mad before we stopped...if Elijah doesn't show up in 71 days maybe i'm just one of those crazy Jesus people but if he does remember some of the stuff I posted......have a good night...God bless...and I know he already has
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The Day of the Lord STARTS in the 6th seal of Revelation:

Revelation 6
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave[e] and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?

The USA is terminated along with a bunch of apostate, lukewarm, exChristian nations in the 4th seal:

7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.

So IMHO Elijah does not have to come for the USA, because there is plenty of time for him to do his job in the 5th seal. The USA has been blessed with thousands of prophets, churches in every town, Bibles in every house, and yet they still spit on their Lord and will NOT repent. So they will be judged in a few years from now.

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Hi Thailand,

Wonderful you brought up Revelation 6. The last verses
in Revelation 6 is the prophesied worldwide "awakening"
also called the Great Warning, the "illumination of conscience" (Rev 6:15-17, 1 Cor 3:13).

God's gift to save souls. Everyone on the earth is going
to experience a personal NDE like life review. We will all
see the state of our soul as God sees it.

We are all sinners, only a few very holy people, the exception, the rest us will wish to hide, the rocks to
fall on us when God shows us our soul.

Be wise and accept this gift, believe what He has shown
you, only God can show you every moment of your life.

Heaven in private revelation says the Great Warning is close, is "soon."
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I agree to a certain extent that, that symbolic Elijah has his place in the end days, but you place him in a position that takes from the other witness, and that, God would not be in favor of. For his highest anointing is on that other hidden witness. Even as Moses was greater in his duties than was Aaron in his.
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The problem is your trying to give the duties of priesthood and kingship to one person and they are 2 separate offices otherwise they would be melchelzedek office and the 2 offices on earth that are promised eternal are levitical and davidic...you cant have one person holding both offices or it voids it and makes it melchelzedek and you don't have the promised levitic and davidic priesthood and kingship being fulfilled....your seeing the position of Jesus very clearly but you cant see the separation of the 2 witnesses offices.
 Quoting: waterman


Adam was given such a position in its beginning, holding both offices in his service to his creator. Though we never witness these duties in there full extent. I am sure ruler-ship and priesthood for the failures of his tribal family at that time/times were his, as head of the household, and his duties. And do not say Eve was the priest, there is no such evidence shall ever was the head/ruler/holder/ of the household, as is that man as the holder of the signet ring.
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Eve only became subserviant to Adam after the fall and in the end will reclaim the same position as the beginning. When Eve received one "side" it had to be priesthood or kinship and you know which one I believe it is if you have read my threads.
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I am talking about after the fall when Adam in his family unit, was of both positions within that tribal postion, as the head of the household.

The fall remains in effect until this kingdom is once again restored back to the Lord (Jesus) and his Christ (anointed/Adam) (Rev.11:15). This is far after the two witnesses are here and already gone. The two witnesses/ the symbolic Adam and Eve as you claim. So Eve is not going to be restored back to her position of equality until the beginning of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ(after Rev.11:15!)
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we finally found something we agree on Elijah will restore tribal positions....I'm still under the impression you think Elijah will somehow make the kingship(judah tribe) and preisthood(levi tribe) join some way and turn it into a melchelzedek preisthood instead of the levitical and davidical priesthood and kingship it is supposed to be because earth is always lesser than heavenly as it is a shadow of things in heaven but not equal to but lesser than and you can't have a levitic and davidic kingship/ptiesthood in one person without it cancelling out the levitic and davidic and making it melchelzedek....it can't be done in one person that is why you have 2 witneeses one priest and one king both dying to be testators of their testament and raising 3 days later to bring strength to the testament and being the firstfruits just as Jesus was of his testament Melchelzedek KING/PRIEST.
 Quoting: waterman


I agree to a certain extent that, that symbolic Elijah has his place in the end days, but you place him in a position that takes from the other witness, and that, God would not be in favor of. For his highest anointing is on that other hidden witness. Even as Moses was greater in his duties than was Aaron in his.
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The problem is your trying to give the duties of priesthood and kingship to one person and they are 2 separate offices otherwise they would be melchelzedek office and the 2 offices on earth that are promised eternal are levitical and davidic...you cant have one person holding both offices or it voids it and makes it melchelzedek and you don't have the promised levitic and davidic priesthood and kingship being fulfilled....your seeing the position of Jesus very clearly but you cant see the separation of the 2 witnesses offices.
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How come a discussion of the ministerial priesthood in the
Old Covenant but now in the New Covenant Protestants sadly
reject the ministerial priesthood? Do they not see the
disconnect?

So much our brother and sisters ignore, clinging to their heresies.
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If you are a Bible Alone believer and reject the rest of God's revelation (not, really, you do accept some of God's oral Word and some of the Magisterial teachings of the Church but probably do not realize), here in Holy Scripture...

The Apostle Paul was/is a ministerial priest not just a member of the priesthood of believers. Both, only a priest offers sacrifice.


Romans 15:16
That I should be the minister (priest) of Christ Jesus among the Gentiles; sanctifying the gospel of God, that the oblation (sacrifice) of the Gentiles may be made acceptable and sanctified in the Holy Ghost.
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ob·la·tion
/əˈblāSHən/
Noun

1. A thing presented or offered to God or a god.
2. The presentation of bread and wine to God in the Eucharist.
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No man after going through the wilderness, need go through the same wilderness, the lessen has been taught. I believe, Paul's lessen was taught not on the road of the law, but the road of Damascus. You need not spend your time in some desert place to receive new revelations. Unless, of course you are claiming new revelations, because you spent your time in a desert place, or was you surrounded by others and and their fellowship and still received what is revealed to you.
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please let that be my wilderness experience 3 days of blindness and friends comes and fellowship with me that would be awesome
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You would never want the torment Paul experienced his whole tormented life. If it would not have been for his dedication and staunched love for Jesus he could not have endured it. So do not look at a single wilderness experience and classify all members of the body as experiencing the same trial. If a bear is your fear, being locked in a cage with a rat would be a lesser chastisement toward reliance on his saving grace.
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I'm going to turn in hope ya didn't get too mad before we stopped...if Elijah doesn't show up in 71 days maybe i'm just one of those crazy Jesus people but if he does remember some of the stuff I posted......have a good night...God bless...and I know he already has
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You are betting your whole reputation on this one statement my son..please don't be offended by the title...son.
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OP, what did Jesus say about John the Baptist?

Here is a clue - that he, John the Baptist, is the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah. If you will remember, Jesus' followers were asking Jesus who HE was the reincarnation of.
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JESUS said truly Elijah "shall" come.......because there are 2 appearances of elijah ...one before the "great" day of the Lord and another before the "terrible"day of the Lord


Just as there are 2 appearances of Jesus
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You better read your bible again.

Matthew 17
Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.


John the Baptist IS Elia. And that time he was beheaded because he got karma of old times (Elia did order to kill the Priests of Baal, but God would forgive some of them as it was not to Elia to kill them).

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You would never want the torment Paul experienced his whole tormented life. If it would not have been for his dedication and staunched love for Jesus he could not have endured it. So do not look at a single wilderness experience and classify all members of the body as experiencing the same trial. If a bear is your fear, being locked in a cage with a rat would be a lesser chastisement toward reliance on his saving grace.
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I'm going to turn in hope ya didn't get too mad before we stopped...if Elijah doesn't show up in 71 days maybe i'm just one of those crazy Jesus people but if he does remember some of the stuff I posted......have a good night...God bless...and I know he already has
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You are betting your whole reputation on this one statement my son..please don't be offended by the title...son.
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best comment I heard all year...and I've heard alot....and my reputation isn't the greatest anyway...have a good nite
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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I'm going to turn in hope ya didn't get too mad before we stopped...if Elijah doesn't show up in 71 days maybe i'm just one of those crazy Jesus people but if he does remember some of the stuff I posted......have a good night...God bless...and I know he already has
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You are betting your whole reputation on this one statement my son..please don't be offended by the title...son.
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best comment I heard all year...and I've heard alot....and my reputation isn't the greatest anyway...have a good nite
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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Yes, wherein waterman basically ignores all other comments except for 227 and fawns all over him like a dog in heat. "Son" or otherwise, great thread.
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You are betting your whole reputation on this one statement my son..please don't be offended by the title...son.
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best comment I heard all year...and I've heard alot....and my reputation isn't the greatest anyway...have a good nite
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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Yes, wherein waterman basically ignores all other comments except for 227 and fawns all over him like a dog in heat. "Son" or otherwise, great thread.
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If those were not 2 males, i would actually picture them happily married.
Oh man that would be one cool household! :)))

One Love,
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You are betting your whole reputation on this one statement my son..please don't be offended by the title...son.
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best comment I heard all year...and I've heard alot....and my reputation isn't the greatest anyway...have a good nite
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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Yes, wherein waterman basically ignores all other comments except for 227 and fawns all over him like a dog in heat. "Son" or otherwise, great thread.
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129, waterman does that because he feels sorry for me. knowing that at other threads I rarely get any response from others. So out of the goodness, of his heart, not because we have any relationship flesh to flesh or dog to dog. It simply is a courtesy toward the older generation.

129, act old, and he will believe anything and will even tolerate your insults if in a sincere manner. better yet, if you are old he will soon pick up on that, and you're in. Good luck.
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best comment I heard all year...and I've heard alot....and my reputation isn't the greatest anyway...have a good nite
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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Yes, wherein waterman basically ignores all other comments except for 227 and fawns all over him like a dog in heat. "Son" or otherwise, great thread.
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If those were not 2 males, i would actually picture them happily married.
Oh man that would be one cool household! :)))

One Love,
D.
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D...that was hilarious, hilarious, and even more hilarious! D... you still got it in you....funny, funny stuff.
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It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years
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I believe it be 70/30 in my favor. Consider the evidence of a truth recognized. Remember Damascus and the brother of Paul's fellowship. Remember that brother, whose name was Ananias. Who risk his life to follow the obedient command of his master. Now Ananias it is declared in the word was obedient and followed the instructions to pray for his brother Paul. Through this obedient action Paul received his sight back and was filled with the holy spirit.

Now I have never been physically blind, but to receive your sight, once blind must be a wondrous experience. Nevertheless, being baptised in the holy spirit is an experience that is unexplainable to all those who have not known its effect.

Now, here is a man (Paul) who knew the ways of the law and served them all his life and believe it was the road toward salvation. So he goes and decides to set himself down for the next three years next to a lonely long deserted mountain in Arabia or find the fellowship he now sought out in Christ and his salvation. God is a God of motion. We need not seek out Christ through our yesterdays. Christ is not in a deserted mountain, its purposed fulfilled and past. No, not of the memories of our yesteryear's is the fellowship of the present, but that fellowship is in Christ. In his servants and the words of our testimonies toward the witness of his salvation toward those still seeking.

No, I do not believe Paul went back to his old ways seeking salvation through the law of Moses and the ways of Sinai, but through the fellowship of his brother in Christ and those fellows with him did they in communion of the greater things than the strident rules of the law's commands. For where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
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lol you sure about the 70 percent...Jesus himself had to go through 40 days of wilderness and your telling me paul didn't have a wilderness time...of course he was beaten and tortured but he had to have spent time in the wilderness before going directly into bringing forth new revealtion as he did and paul said he didnt learn it from anybody but the revelation of Jesus himself...I belive paul spent 3 years and to be exact 42 mmonths in the wilderness just as the elijah to come will do the same
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No man after going through the wilderness, need go through the same wilderness, the lessen has been taught. I believe, Paul's lessen was taught not on the road of the law, but the road of Damascus. You need not spend your time in some desert place to receive new revelations. Unless, of course you are claiming new revelations, because you spent your time in a desert place, or was you surrounded by others and and their fellowship and still received what is revealed to you.
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Meant to say lesson..not lessen.. in the above statement. Sorry about that.
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best comment I heard all year...and I've heard alot....and my reputation isn't the greatest anyway...have a good nite
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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Yes, wherein waterman basically ignores all other comments except for 227 and fawns all over him like a dog in heat. "Son" or otherwise, great thread.
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129, waterman does that because he feels sorry for me. knowing that at other threads I rarely get any response from others. So out of the goodness, of his heart, not because we have any relationship flesh to flesh or dog to dog. It simply is a courtesy toward the older generation.

129, act old, and he will believe anything and will even tolerate your insults if in a sincere manner. better yet, if you are old he will soon pick up on that, and you're in. Good luck.
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And 129, I want you to know I appropriated that statement you made a few days ago about Watchman Nee would agree with my statement about the heart, spirit, soul concept. And also about God who inspired the words. This is such a true declaration of how God inspires the words of ignorant men who speak of any authority outside of themselves. Thank you for the encouragement. Often whenever, anyone post something, criticism comes forth like an avalanche. Ask waterman...lol...
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It is true that the great floods did happens more than once. America is the new land and unknown to the American are the worse hit countries of them all because it was the land land to cooled down and the newest garden of eden.

England was joint with France and Ireland. And Ireland was seven time bigger westward which is now submerged under the sea. The floods was so great that only the holy spirit will save you.

Pray therefore for your flesh and bones is nothing, But to blasphemies against the holy ghost in flesh and bone will not be forgiven in spirit.

Your spirit liveth for eon and eon, is it worth the blasphemies just because you do not understand once more again?.
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best comment I heard all year...and I've heard alot....and my reputation isn't the greatest anyway...have a good nite
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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Yes, wherein waterman basically ignores all other comments except for 227 and fawns all over him like a dog in heat. "Son" or otherwise, great thread.
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If those were not 2 males, i would actually picture them happily married.
Oh man that would be one cool household! :)))

One Love,
D.
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Haha, I can see that too! You ever see "The Thin Man" series with the characters Nick and Nora? Their banter reminds me of that show a little. And that's meant as a compliment.
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227, lol about the acting old. Duly noted. And re Watchman Née, thank you.
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Good to have the 2 of you back on the thread!! hf
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Yes, wherein waterman basically ignores all other comments except for 227 and fawns all over him like a dog in heat. "Son" or otherwise, great thread.
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If those were not 2 males, i would actually picture them happily married.
Oh man that would be one cool household! :)))

One Love,
D.
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Haha, I can see that too! You ever see "The Thin Man" series with the characters Nick and Nora? Their banter reminds me of that show a little. And that's meant as a compliment.
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I just looked it up.... But then who would be their Skippy!?
Now that is yet another mystery.... :)))

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Joel 2:31??

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dumbass

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Hey there,
I ain't taking myself too seriously, you may wanna try too.

One Love,
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D. If you are going to take a stand on something then you must always take yourself seriously. If not how will you ever discover who your allies are. And never back down from a bully, especially an ignorant one. You must realize that many who make fun of obvious signs of the times are either ignorant of the meaning or the subject matter is far to profound for them, when it comes to discussing it. Regardless, I thought the subject of the sun's dark side was very interesting.

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