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Proof you will live this exact same life over and over again for all eternity

 
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doesnt work that way, sorry.


Hebrews 9:27

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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Your claims make it as if there is no possibility that what you say can be false ? Plato and Socrates would obliterate the bible. Anyone going against them with it with their own claims based on the bible would be shut down in a heart beat. As they would use the bible against that very same person, not to mention the contradictory. Def should keep that bible verses out of the philosophical arguments as it is nothing but a book of just historical points not to be taken literal at all.
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......niceee !.....we are copy-paste sheeps !! we don`t have the ability to think , we just copy what we observe !....NO HUMAN ON THIS PLANET EVER INVENTED OR CREATED ENYTHING ! ...this "science " is called BYONICS !...WE ARE REDUNDANT !...unfortunatelly :))))
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Giddy mate ,who told you this ?

I CANNOT LIVE THIS LIFE OVER AND OVER AGAIN

I REPEAT
I CANNOT LIVE THIS LIFE OVER AND OVER AGAIN

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP​PPPPPPPPPP....................
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I'll post this again because obviously you guys missed it the first time.

No consciousness follows the path of those before it, else all would be repetition and vain. Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in follows its own path to the ultimate goal. Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos. Each plays its part in the ultimate end. The farther the cycle, the greater its knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.

Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us are working the minor parts of the Law, while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity take of the striving and build greater Law.

Each has his own part to play in the cycles. Each has his work to complete in his way. The cycle below thee is yet not below thee but only formed for a need that exists. For know ye that the fountain of wisdom that sends forth the cycles is eternally seeking new powers to gain. Ye know that knowledge is gained only by practice, and wisdom comes forth only from knowledge, and thus are the cycles created by Law. Means are they for the gaining of knowledge for the Plane of Law that is the Source of the All. The cycle below is not truly below but only different in space and in time. The consciousness there is working and testing lesser things than those ye are. And know, just as ye are working on greater, so above ye are those who are also working as ye are on yet other laws. The difference that exists between the cycles is only in ability to work with the Law. We, who have being in cycles beyond thee, are those who first came forth from the Source and have in the passage through time-space gained ability to use Laws of the Greater that are far beyond the conception of man. Nothing there is that is really below thee but only a different operation of Law.

-Emerald Tablet 11: The Key to Above and Below
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I'll post this again because obviously you guys missed it the first time.

No consciousness follows the path of those before it, else all would be repetition and vain. Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in follows its own path to the ultimate goal. Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos. Each plays its part in the ultimate end. The farther the cycle, the greater its knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.

Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us are working the minor parts of the Law, while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity take of the striving and build greater Law.

Each has his own part to play in the cycles. Each has his work to complete in his way. The cycle below thee is yet not below thee but only formed for a need that exists. For know ye that the fountain of wisdom that sends forth the cycles is eternally seeking new powers to gain. Ye know that knowledge is gained only by practice, and wisdom comes forth only from knowledge, and thus are the cycles created by Law. Means are they for the gaining of knowledge for the Plane of Law that is the Source of the All. The cycle below is not truly below but only different in space and in time. The consciousness there is working and testing lesser things than those ye are. And know, just as ye are working on greater, so above ye are those who are also working as ye are on yet other laws. The difference that exists between the cycles is only in ability to work with the Law. We, who have being in cycles beyond thee, are those who first came forth from the Source and have in the passage through time-space gained ability to use Laws of the Greater that are far beyond the conception of man. Nothing there is that is really below thee but only a different operation of Law.

-Emerald Tablet 11: The Key to Above and Below
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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I'll post this again because obviously you guys missed it the first time.

No consciousness follows the path of those before it, else all would be repetition and vain. Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in follows its own path to the ultimate goal. Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos. Each plays its part in the ultimate end. The farther the cycle, the greater its knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.

Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us are working the minor parts of the Law, while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity take of the striving and build greater Law.

Each has his own part to play in the cycles. Each has his work to complete in his way. The cycle below thee is yet not below thee but only formed for a need that exists. For know ye that the fountain of wisdom that sends forth the cycles is eternally seeking new powers to gain. Ye know that knowledge is gained only by practice, and wisdom comes forth only from knowledge, and thus are the cycles created by Law. Means are they for the gaining of knowledge for the Plane of Law that is the Source of the All. The cycle below is not truly below but only different in space and in time. The consciousness there is working and testing lesser things than those ye are. And know, just as ye are working on greater, so above ye are those who are also working as ye are on yet other laws. The difference that exists between the cycles is only in ability to work with the Law. We, who have being in cycles beyond thee, are those who first came forth from the Source and have in the passage through time-space gained ability to use Laws of the Greater that are far beyond the conception of man. Nothing there is that is really below thee but only a different operation of Law.

-Emerald Tablet 11: The Key to Above and Below
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Just had an AHHHHH moment as i have heard "The key to above and below" or "As above so below" But this is more detailed.
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I actually don't believe it is the same life but different ones you choose to experience for your soul's growth. I actually like this explanation best. This is the question and answer of past lives. What would be the implications in your life if this was your answer? hf

Excerpted from page 107/108 of: Conversations with God
· an uncommon dialogue ·
book 1
Neale Donald Walsch
1992 -1994
[link to www.humanitysteam.ru]
Q 7. Is there such a thing as reincarnation? How many past lives have I had? What was I in
them? Is “karmic debt” a reality?
A "It is difficult to believe there is still a question about this. I find it hard to imagine. There have been so many reports from thoroughly reliable sources of past life experiences. Some of
these people have brought back strikingly detailed descriptions of events, and such completely verifiable data as to eliminate any possibility that they were making it up or had
contrived to somehow deceive researchers and loved ones.
You have had 647 past lives, since you insist on being exact. This is your 648th. You were
everything in them. A king, a queen, a serf. A teacher, a student, a master. A male, a female.
A warrior, a pacifist. A hero, a coward. A killer, a savior. A sage, a fool. You have been all of
it!
No, there is no such thing as karmic debt—not in the sense that you mean in this question. A
debt is something that must or should be repaid. You are not obligated to do anything.
Still, there are certain things that you want to do; choose to experience. And some of these
choices hinge on—the desire for them has been created by—what you have experienced
before.
That is as close as words can come to this thing you call karma.
If karma is the innate desire to be better, to be bigger, to evolve and to grow, and to look at
past events and experiences as a measure of that, then, yes, karma does exist.
But it does not require anything. Nothing is ever required. You are, as always you have ever
been, a being of free choice."-God hi hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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I'll post this again because obviously you guys missed it the first time.

No consciousness follows the path of those before it, else all would be repetition and vain. Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in follows its own path to the ultimate goal. Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos. Each plays its part in the ultimate end. The farther the cycle, the greater its knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.

Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us are working the minor parts of the Law, while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity take of the striving and build greater Law.

Each has his own part to play in the cycles. Each has his work to complete in his way. The cycle below thee is yet not below thee but only formed for a need that exists. For know ye that the fountain of wisdom that sends forth the cycles is eternally seeking new powers to gain. Ye know that knowledge is gained only by practice, and wisdom comes forth only from knowledge, and thus are the cycles created by Law. Means are they for the gaining of knowledge for the Plane of Law that is the Source of the All. The cycle below is not truly below but only different in space and in time. The consciousness there is working and testing lesser things than those ye are. And know, just as ye are working on greater, so above ye are those who are also working as ye are on yet other laws. The difference that exists between the cycles is only in ability to work with the Law. We, who have being in cycles beyond thee, are those who first came forth from the Source and have in the passage through time-space gained ability to use Laws of the Greater that are far beyond the conception of man. Nothing there is that is really below thee but only a different operation of Law.

-Emerald Tablet 11: The Key to Above and Below
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....too much words bro`, dude, you don`t see the forest because of the trees !!..humans have NO skills to think, we just Copy !!! , capishii ??...don`t force your brain too much , it will explode , maybe :)))..too much inputs
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I'll post this again because obviously you guys missed it the first time.

No consciousness follows the path of those before it, else all would be repetition and vain. Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in follows its own path to the ultimate goal. Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos. Each plays its part in the ultimate end. The farther the cycle, the greater its knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.

Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us are working the minor parts of the Law, while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity take of the striving and build greater Law.

Each has his own part to play in the cycles. Each has his work to complete in his way. The cycle below thee is yet not below thee but only formed for a need that exists. For know ye that the fountain of wisdom that sends forth the cycles is eternally seeking new powers to gain. Ye know that knowledge is gained only by practice, and wisdom comes forth only from knowledge, and thus are the cycles created by Law. Means are they for the gaining of knowledge for the Plane of Law that is the Source of the All. The cycle below is not truly below but only different in space and in time. The consciousness there is working and testing lesser things than those ye are. And know, just as ye are working on greater, so above ye are those who are also working as ye are on yet other laws. The difference that exists between the cycles is only in ability to work with the Law. We, who have being in cycles beyond thee, are those who first came forth from the Source and have in the passage through time-space gained ability to use Laws of the Greater that are far beyond the conception of man. Nothing there is that is really below thee but only a different operation of Law.

-Emerald Tablet 11: The Key to Above and Below
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....too much words bro`, dude, you don`t see the forest because of the trees !!..humans have NO skills to think, we just Copy !!! , capishii ??...don`t force your brain too much , it will explode , maybe :)))..too much inputs
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Obviously you have no read all 14 tablets...
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Past is the future and the future is the past.
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Premise # 2: Consciousness is a consequence of physical existence.
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It's actually the other way around - consciousness is primary.
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I'll post this again because obviously you guys missed it the first time.

No consciousness follows the path of those before it, else all would be repetition and vain. Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in follows its own path to the ultimate goal. Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos. Each plays its part in the ultimate end. The farther the cycle, the greater its knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.

Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us are working the minor parts of the Law, while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity take of the striving and build greater Law.

Each has his own part to play in the cycles. Each has his work to complete in his way. The cycle below thee is yet not below thee but only formed for a need that exists. For know ye that the fountain of wisdom that sends forth the cycles is eternally seeking new powers to gain. Ye know that knowledge is gained only by practice, and wisdom comes forth only from knowledge, and thus are the cycles created by Law. Means are they for the gaining of knowledge for the Plane of Law that is the Source of the All. The cycle below is not truly below but only different in space and in time. The consciousness there is working and testing lesser things than those ye are. And know, just as ye are working on greater, so above ye are those who are also working as ye are on yet other laws. The difference that exists between the cycles is only in ability to work with the Law. We, who have being in cycles beyond thee, are those who first came forth from the Source and have in the passage through time-space gained ability to use Laws of the Greater that are far beyond the conception of man. Nothing there is that is really below thee but only a different operation of Law.

-Emerald Tablet 11: The Key to Above and Below
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....too much words bro`, dude, you don`t see the forest because of the trees !!..humans have NO skills to think, we just Copy !!! , capishii ??...don`t force your brain too much , it will explode , maybe :)))..too much inputs
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Obviously you have no read all 14 tablets...
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...i don` need to read these tablets ! i take pils ! :))
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My traditional religion teaches that we are one life and each of us will live the experiences of all.
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This is really interesting. I was on a very high dose of hallucinogens one night and this exact theory came into my head. That night I got the image and idea that I have lived that night the exact same way a million times and my whole life I have lived a million times. I even got a glimpse of me growing old. Crazy indeed and while it was happening I was 100% convinced that that is how the universe works.
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This is really interesting. I was on a very high dose of hallucinogens one night and this exact theory came into my head. That night I got the image and idea that I have lived that night the exact same way a million times and my whole life I have lived a million times. I even got a glimpse of me growing old. Crazy indeed and while it was happening I was 100% convinced that that is how the universe works.
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Yes, because you are always YOU, every life. You have always been you, and so some part of you has always been living in the moment.
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If I thought I had to live another life after this one I'd kill myself right nowohyeah
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...i don` need to read these tablets ! i take pils ! :))
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I take drugs as well, but I have read, and re-read those tablets probably 10 times each. Some of them are very long. I guess that is my Mercury in Gemini kicking in... mind always needs to be busy.
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This is really interesting. I was on a very high dose of hallucinogens one night and this exact theory came into my head. That night I got the image and idea that I have lived that night the exact same way a million times and my whole life I have lived a million times. I even got a glimpse of me growing old. Crazy indeed and while it was happening I was 100% convinced that that is how the universe works.
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Yes, because you are always YOU, every life. You have always been you, and so some part of you has always been living in the moment.
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brilliantVery astute, your form (body)might change but you always are the same soul. hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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pleasure turns to pain when there is no pain to contrast it with
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Sounds like a design flaw to me...

This ancient novel explores an alternative idea of repeated existence:

[link to www.gutenberg.org]
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doesnt work that way, sorry.


Hebrews 9:27

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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Oh fuck off mate, cant you just open your own mind and use your own imagination rather than take every word as gospel (pun intended)from those pathetic stupid fucking man made bullshit books.

I slapping my own forehead very fucking hard for you right now.
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OP, what if you were born and died an hour after birth, are you telling me that cycle would repeat itself over and over again for eternity?

Seems a bit unfair.
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This is really interesting. I was on a very high dose of hallucinogens one night and this exact theory came into my head. That night I got the image and idea that I have lived that night the exact same way a million times and my whole life I have lived a million times. I even got a glimpse of me growing old. Crazy indeed and while it was happening I was 100% convinced that that is how the universe works.
 Quoting: Tiberius22


Yes, one has the impression of having been in a situation before because one actually has, not once, but countless and millions of times like you felt. Therein lies also the difficulty of this explanation: in all instances of deja vu that I know of, one has the feeling that this situation has only one antecedent, not many. One sees in the mirror of memory only one reflection, not an endless number of them.

This does not, of course, exclude eternal recurrence as a possible elucidation of deja vu. It could be that some mechanism prevents our recalling previous lifetimes most of the time; and only occasionally slips up, permitting a brief glimpse of only one prior situation. However, the philosophical principle of Occam's razor says one should not multiply assumptions beyond the minimum necessary to account for all the observed facts. This would seem to exclude eternal return as an explanation of déjà vu until more evidence in its favor is brought to fore. Though it is still posssible Deja vu could infact be more proof and a further explanation of eternal recurrence.
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OP, what if you were born and died an hour after birth, are you telling me that cycle would repeat itself over and over again for eternity?

Seems a bit unfair.
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Man if that ever happened youd be stuck in a fucking loop now that sounds like fucking hell buddy!
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I think finding yourself in a spiritual sense is the only way out of the loop. Figuring out who you really are seems to be the only thing that actually matters from my own experience and research.

I've read and heard that theme throughout different cultures and ancient teachings. It also happens to make sense to me.
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that is definitely a possibility

also, what if we all live the life of every single human to have EVER lived?

they say there is an infinite number of parallel universes/realities, and the number of humans who have ever lived is most definitely a finite number, so maybe?
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Dunno whether to lol or to facepalm my face off.
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Dunno whether to lol or to facepalm my face off.
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oh, here we go, a 'you're born, you die, you rot' MFer
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OP it's both.

The mind would like to trap you into strictly logical thought, but universes transcend logic.

Say you could time travel, and each universe is already laid out before it even starts...

As one ends, the next begins, just the same as the passage of moments of time.

Also, I would argue that physical existence is a result of consciousness, not the other way around,

Yes, this version will loop, always remain as it is, but there are always new lives to slip into, always new universes being born ;)
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OP, what if you were born and died an hour after birth, are you telling me that cycle would repeat itself over and over again for eternity?

Seems a bit unfair.
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Man if that ever happened youd be stuck in a fucking loop now that sounds like fucking hell buddy!
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Yes I agree that would be absolutely terrifying and horrific. A new-born with a specific painful birth defect who is born into pain from birth to death (how long in between wouldn't make any difference as it will be like a a loop of infinite regress loop in a constant state of anguish and suffering for all eternity. I think you have just found your definition of hell.
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I hope this is true. I have never wanted to be anything, anywhere, or with anyone else than I am and have been in this life.

What I wonder is if there isn't some tiny and deep imprint of consciousness we take with us that helps us improve our behavior and/or outlook with each go 'round.

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