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We can never know the truth and all belief is false

 
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We can never know the truth and all belief is false
also all belief is false. Let me explain.

Truth is a correct description of reality, i.e. what is or what occurred. Our only contact with reality is through our brains. This image of reality in our brains is supposedly created in response to input from our senses. This image is however not what is really out there. Even if it was, we couldn't tell. So our knowledge is incomplete and may even be completely wrong. This knowledge is what we base our truth on. So at best truth as we know it is a substitute for real truth. At worst it's a lie. Also...


All belief is false

Why is it so? It isn't really. A belief is neither false nor true. At least, we can't know if a belief is true or false. If we could it wouldn't be belief, it would be knowledge. Since we can't know, any claims about the veracity of belief are equally valid. Hence: All belief is false (or true).
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Some beliefs are more right than others.
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
Some beliefs are more right than others.
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Yes, but my point is that we can never know while they are beliefs. If we know it isn't belief, it's knowledge.
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
Some beliefs are more right than others.
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Yes, but my point is that we can never know while they are beliefs. If we know it isn't belief, it's knowledge.
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True. Yet the way to knowledge leads through beliefs, abandoning the inferior ones on behalf of the better ones.
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Remember that the oracle said Socrates was the wisest among men. When the guy who had asked said "but Socrates claims he doesn't know anything" the oracle remained silent.
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
True. Yet the way to knowledge leads through beliefs, abandoning the inferior ones on behalf of the better ones.
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You are right. But since we have no way of discerning which beliefs are the better ones, doesn't that mean they are equally bad or good?
Again: When we know it's knowledge, not belief.
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06/18/2013 09:57 PM
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
Exellent post. I have been thinking about this since Im a truth seeker. More like a non-truth seeker. I agree with you.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

We are not human beings on a spiritual journey.
We are spiritual beings on a human journey.
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Remember that the oracle said Socrates was the wisest among men. When the guy who had asked said "but Socrates claims he doesn't know anything" the oracle remained silent.
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He did not know but he did believe, in more reasonable way than anybody else compared with him = the wisest one.
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
True. Yet the way to knowledge leads through beliefs, abandoning the inferior ones on behalf of the better ones.
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You are right. But since we have no way of discerning which beliefs are the better ones, doesn't that mean they are equally bad or good?
Again: When we know it's knowledge, not belief.
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Applied belief = knowledge.
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06/18/2013 10:01 PM
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Ha Ha - in truth we have never left the spirit worlds and our attention is merely temporarily entrained via our meat puppet bodies to focus on this dance of atoms.


Experiencing truth is an affair of the spirit - it is a palpable touching of 'something' - a knowing beyond doubt.
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Exellent post. I have been thinking about this since Im a truth seeker. More like a non-truth seeker. I agree with you.
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Thanks!
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The ONLY belief that is false is:

"That all belief's are false".
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Ha Ha - in truth we have never left the spirit worlds and our attention is merely temporarily entrained via our meat puppet bodies to focus on this dance of atoms.


Experiencing truth is an affair of the spirit - it is a palpable touching of 'something' - a knowing beyond doubt.
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To know the truth is to directly experience reality.
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
I don't believe there is any truth in what you are saying.
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
The ONLY belief that is false is:

"That all belief's are false".
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Yes, but if you read my post in the beginning... You should "know" that all belief could be false or true and that we (while it's belief) can't know which it is. The very nature of belief is not-knowing. So as I wrote: "any claims about the veracity of belief are equally valid".
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I don't believe there is any truth in what you are saying.
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And since it's belief it could be false, but you can't know.
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Be
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
True. Yet the way to knowledge leads through beliefs, abandoning the inferior ones on behalf of the better ones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


You are right. But since we have no way of discerning which beliefs are the better ones, doesn't that mean they are equally bad or good?
Again: When we know it's knowledge, not belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25386369


Applied belief = knowledge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


So if I believe that jumping from a five story building won't kill me and I apply that belief, I have knowledge? I guess I do...
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You sound like a product of your generation, OP.

A Post modernistic generation.
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
True. Yet the way to knowledge leads through beliefs, abandoning the inferior ones on behalf of the better ones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


You are right. But since we have no way of discerning which beliefs are the better ones, doesn't that mean they are equally bad or good?
Again: When we know it's knowledge, not belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25386369


Applied belief = knowledge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


So if I believe that jumping from a five story building won't kill me and I apply that belief, I have knowledge? I guess I do...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25386369


Your last one, yes.
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You are right. But since we have no way of discerning which beliefs are the better ones, doesn't that mean they are equally bad or good?
Again: When we know it's knowledge, not belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25386369


Applied belief = knowledge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


So if I believe that jumping from a five story building won't kill me and I apply that belief, I have knowledge? I guess I do...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25386369


Your last one, yes.
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Yep. LOL

Learning the hard way.
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deep bra... I need to smoke a bowl..bonghit
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Re: We can never know the truth and all belief is false
5 stars for the OP because all beliefs ARE false.

The only thing that is completely true is the space between words or the silence between beliefs.

Meditation reveals it.

0 consumes everything.

Yes, some ideas are more true than others. But the ultimate Truth is silence. Which has been described as light, love, Everything. Nothing can be perceived without it. It is what everything floats on.

Nothing can live in the light of space, which is infinite. You are infinite. You just forgot and you attach yourself to ideas trying to find Truth. The clinging to ideas and matter is the cause of all suffering.

You cannot "know" it. It is beyond the intellect. It is beyond the mind. Only when you stop relying on the mind, will it reveal itself to you.

You can only experience it. And once you do, everything else is a hilarious joke. I.E. The Cosmic Joke.

Nothing can live in the light of Truth. Not even You.

You are beyond any concept that can be thought up.
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You sound like a product of your generation, OP.

A Post modernistic generation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


What generation am I? I have come to some conclusions I like to share with others. What I write is nothing special. Pretty sure people contemplated these things thousands of years ago.

"All belief is false" is something that people do well to remember. It's more dangerous to believe a false belief is true, than the other way around. Better yet is to focus on knowledge instead of belief.
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Be
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Yep, just Be. That is all that is True.
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You sound like a product of your generation, OP.

A Post modernistic generation.
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What generation am I? I have come to some conclusions I like to share with others. What I write is nothing special. Pretty sure people contemplated these things thousands of years ago.

"All belief is false" is something that people do well to remember. It's more dangerous to believe a false belief is true, than the other way around. Better yet is to focus on knowledge instead of belief.
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Better yet, let go of knowledge. Knowledge will only lead one astray from Truth.

The mind is the problem. It is a grand tool and it has a purpose. But it is not the be all end all. It only leads one in endless circles. Usually for lifetimes.

Let go of the mind and know Truth.

It is too simple for the mind to understand. The mind is not the way. Meditation is. See through your own beliefs and they will dissolve. Every one of them. One by one.

What you are is infinite and beyond anything the mind can conjure up.
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So then...isn't the belief that all beliefs are false
also false?
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You sound like a product of your generation, OP.

A Post modernistic generation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


What generation am I? I have come to some conclusions I like to share with others. What I write is nothing special. Pretty sure people contemplated these things thousands of years ago.

"All belief is false" is something that people do well to remember. It's more dangerous to believe a false belief is true, than the other way around. Better yet is to focus on knowledge instead of belief.
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Truth is not a what, OP. It is a who.

Knowledge is merely information. Wisdom is the correct application.

May you find truth, and knowledge, and wisdom.

Peace,
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Most beings on this planet have a limited seeing. It is sort of like people seeing in 2D when 3D has always been available.

People focus on ideas, beliefs and concepts, but that is not where Truth is.

Truth can be experienced by every person. But they have forgotten how to see it. They have gotten so caught up in the world of their mind's making, that they no longer see the simplicity of what lies between the ideas. Like I said earlier, Truth is too simple for the mind to understand. The mind's nature is to seek for the complex. But that will always lead to more suffering. We are not boxes, but the mind likes to place boxes and distinctions around everything. What is real is that which is always present. What is that? Ask yourself that. Really dive into that question.

Most people cling from idea to another. They trade one idea for a "better" one. But this is all mindplay. As words are boxes/prison bars.

Let go of the mindplay and find the infinite peace that you are. There is nothing stopping you but your desires and fears. You are beyond both. But you have simply forgotten this out of the habit of relying on the mind. Babies and animals know this as they do not have the prison bars of words limiting them.

Be still. Don't cling to your thoughts. Just watch them like birds flying through an infinite sky. You are not the birds. You are the sky. Don't mistake yourself for your thoughts.
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So then...isn't the belief that all beliefs are false
also false?
 Quoting: Northman


You are starting to get it.

The mind will consume itself if examined. Take the time to examine the mind and you will soon experience Truth, which is infinite Peace and Freedom. Your True nature.
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You sound like a product of your generation, OP.

A Post modernistic generation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


What generation am I? I have come to some conclusions I like to share with others. What I write is nothing special. Pretty sure people contemplated these things thousands of years ago.

"All belief is false" is something that people do well to remember. It's more dangerous to believe a false belief is true, than the other way around. Better yet is to focus on knowledge instead of belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25386369


Truth is not a what, OP. It is a who.

Knowledge is merely information. Wisdom is the correct application.

May you find truth, and knowledge, and wisdom.

Peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Who is the who then? What is wisdom exactly? May you find the answers to these questions.

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