Warning... reading this thread will help you achieve CHIM!

I wish lucid dreaming was easier, but I'm going to start working again at this. A friend taught me a technique that was slowly working but too often have to jump up with the alarm.

That is to keep your eyes closed when you wake up and search back as far as you can go into your memories. Once you encounter the daylight you will forget.

And write it down.

Just doing this forces your mind to pay attention more and I was beginning to realize in dreams that I would be waking up soon, and they were far more vivid, but still had to wake up with the alarm and got out of the habit.

There are two types of knowledge in epistemology, you are asking for priori, knowledge independent of experience and that is not CHIM.

What CHIM is, is posteriori or knowledge gained through experience.

For example, since I am linking CHIM to dreams, especially lucid precognitive dreams we can look at a dream as posteriori as it is learned through the experience of dreaming.

You cannot externalize a dream, so it cannot be priori and examined by others. This is where you must make the choice in your journey where you want to get the evidence?

If it cannot be gained independent of personal experience then it must be gained through personal experience. Lot's of rational minds and skeptics never figure this out, always assume experience is invalid and disingenuous when our entire reality is experienced thus we learn mostly through posteriori and cannot always dismiss our personal experiences.



I wouldn't say it's fictional, rather virtual, more so a dreamworld better defines what it actually is. I doubt very few people come to this knowledge without first dreaming, so to get there dreams are a key.



Anyone here can look at their own dreams, and start focusing their intent on what they want to experience with them. Not everyone will bridge into a lucid precognitive dream which in my opinion helps to solidify the required posteriori to come to that knowing. Yet, it's there and by what others have already posted here they are on their way.




I'm sure there are many, many dreams where you don't wake up and realize you are dreaming. Why should this dream be any different?

You might struggle more than others in achieving CHIM, especially with that attitude.

Last Edited by YouAreDreaming on 06/19/2013 01:30 AM

Won't sugar coat lucid dreaming, it can be a lot of work especially if you are not doing it right. That said, there are a lot of techniques that are very beneficial towards having them.

Case in point, we can look at two well studied methods known as WILD ( Waking Induction of Lucid Dreams ) or MILD ( Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams ) both very good techniques however some are more geared towards MILD than WILD as each of us are different.

MILD is best for beginners because structurally it can let you fall asleep without having to remain awake during the process. WILD you need to remain awake through all the changes and go through hypnogogic trance states to get to the dream.

There's lots of research out there on lucid dreaming and it's now accepted scientifically with empirical evidence through EEG and other experiments that we can be awake and aware when our bodies are asleep.

The biggest block in not having a lucid dream, is when we stop trying, or don't try at all.

Our attitude, beliefs and ego can get in the way. Dreams are not about that, they are about allowing yourself to experience not forcing it.

What steps are you taking to achieve a lucid dream and maybe can offer advice as I've taught lucid dreaming over the last 20 years and written two books on the topic.

I've been fascinated by lucid dreaming. I've also had pre cog dreams before. There have been handful of times where I become aware that I am I'm dreaming, but a lot of the time I struggle to stay lucid. I've used the wild technique before but haven't had much success, but the meditation I get from trying is good. I think dreams are more important than we're told they are. ANY TIPS on Wilding?

WILD is fun because it's so direct, but in it's direct path as you know, you can end up staying awake. The reason for this is how we can relax into sleep.

The body has tension and we can have mental anxiety or just an overwhelming volume of thought which can distract or keep us awake. Any attention on the body keeps it awake. Your eyes, your ears hearing things, even breathing need to be addressed in WILD.

What I have found is I need to distract myself from my body so that my attention is not on making it relax or fall asleep and to do this I employ a method of creating a pre-dream construct like in the Matrix.

What this is, is simply using your "visual" imagination to create a stair case for example. Then use your "tactile" imagination and feel yourself walking down the stairs. Use your "hearing" imagination and knock on the wall as you walk.

Keep doing this over and over putting more of these thoughts at work into creating the staircase. If you start to hear the knock in a clear and audible range that is a very good queue that you are very close.

If you are doing it right, you'll forget about the body and it seems to forget about you perhaps thinking you are already dreaming.

As time progresses and you allow the tactile, visual and auditory senses of this artificial dream take over and feel yourself actually walking, touching the wall hearing knocking you are already in the dream.

I usually open a door at the end and walk into a dream, always keep walking and moving never stop or wait.

Once in the dream, I use an anchoring technique where I will grab any object like a tree, or a post, or even putting my hand on a wall. I find this helps me focus on relaxing when in the dream to get my bearings.

Once in control, I try to recall my intent and then act on that intent such as exploring, or having fun... what ever that intent is.

I find creating these artificial dreams during WILD to be very useful in helping distract the mind from the body otherwise I just stay awake.

Hope that helps.

My pass preminitions and present day preminitions are coming to pass increasingly fast at a rapid pace, to the point that I just smile inside upon realizing... Hey! This/That was in my lucid dream that I forgot to write down! Ö

I feel as if I am encompassing all dimensions of time and space, consciously.

You are becoming more consciously involved with the "Creative Process" which Robert A. Monroe coined. This is a big step in achieving CHIM and as you now know, you are well on your way through your own experiences.

The question then remains, what are you going to do with the next lucid precognitive dream you have, what action will you take?

Changing them is a fun learning experience when you realize you can.

Interesting, thanks. I find it the most difficult keeping my eyes from moving, once I start feeling weightless and my body starts going numb, my eyes seem to automatically flutter underneath my closed eyelids. Problem is once I start trying to consciously keep them from moving I end up having to start the process over

Exactly, any focus on the body especially the eyes will cause you to reset. Hence why you are better off engaging the dream by creating the dream by thinking in constructs as I have described.

It's hard to let go of the body but if you can get involved enough with creating the construct it just happens where I don't even notice the switch.

Give it a try, I find it works best in a second sleep using WBTB (Wake Back to Bed) Which pretty much means wake up and get physically out of bed for about 15-30 minutes and relieve the bladder, go back and practice dreaming. I find that really helps rather then trying when I first go to bed tired.

That or napping later in the day and doing it then.

You know what helped me, throughout your waking state, ask yourself every so often, "am I awake or asleep?" If you keep checking yourself throughout the day, you'll eventually notice that you'll sometimes do the same in your dream. Once you realize you're asleep, take control.

I tend to have the MILD ones when I go to sleep early in the sleep cycle and the WILD ones if I wake up in the morning and then decide to go back to sleep to continue a dream. It's amazing, but I have woken up and then programmed myself to dream exactly what I wanted. This has only happened in recent years-- the whole design your dream after I've been awakened. Otherwise I was only able to control my dream once I was tipped off to the fact I was already dreaming.

Sounds like an overly simple solution, but use a sleep mask. I've found it helps me keep my eyes closed when I involuntarily want to open them. I seem to sleep way better throughout the night too bc it block out miscellaneous artificial light (and the sunlight in the morning that wakes me up prematurely).

Check out this video, start at the 48:00 mark (or watch the whole thing if you have the time):

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When he refers to 'Infinite I' he is referring to your soul/spirit, or the 'real you' that exists outside of the simulation. This particular 'Human Game' conceptualization featured in the video is based on a model proposed by Robert Scheinfeld (according to the video maker).

OP, have you achieved CHIM status?

Simply knowing that you are a character in a fictional world is not enough to have control over it. Many people experience this either through Self-Awakening, Psychosis, Truman Syndrome, or believing in Silopsism or Biocentrism. These people don't just think or ponder if it's a simulation but 100% believe it is, yet they have no power or control.

Hey OP, what kind of role do psychedelics play in CHIM? I took LSD for the first time about a month ago and whilst tripping, I kept asking "what is real?" Since then i have dropped acid roughly 3-4 times and it seems to have a profound affect on the dream state. The last time i tripped, i went lucid during a dream and lost control of it since im not well trained yet, but as i got out of bed and walked across the room, i realized my body was still lying in bed. Is this what is called inception, with an astral projection?

My room is pitch black no windows so + for dreaming there and I use ear-plugs to drown out the rest, creates a fairly sensory dim environment for achieving CHIM!

WOO HOO CHEATS

no not yet

I certainly haven't had full control rather very surgical control when causing changes to affect a precognitive dream.

I'll give some examples and this is very very important, the changes happen first in a "precognitive dream" weeks before that dream came true. It was part of my own personal exploration of this covert relationship between dreams and reality of which precognition was the key.

So, all changes take place only in a precognitive dream first. Regardless of the fact they later happen in this reality, that is not as important as where the causality took place.

In 1998, during one lucid precognitive dream where I saw a co-worker I changed the dream by making a red triangle appear on his forehead using dream control. The distance around 6-8 feet away, no contact.

Weeks later the dream came true and I merely followed the pattern of the precognitive dream and the same triangle appeared on his forehead, and he was not even aware of this experiment until after the affect happened.

I took a few pictures and gathered a few witness testimony suffice to say it was one example of taking control of the simulation as we are discussing.

In another same example I did the same to my left hand.

There were other cases but at this point I think just getting that far in achieving CHIM was enough for me to satisfy my curiosity.

Changing a precognitive dream is much easier than changing them once they actualize, far to rigid this seems to be a bit of a hack.

So start hacking.

Not sure on that, not very experienced with drug use. I am more educated by literature than by experience. They may not create the best environment but then, I really don't know so can't really base an honest opinion.

They are known to cause altered states like lucid dreaming and out-of-body experiences and that might help get you closer to CHIM. Again, not an expert on the topic of drug use and CHIM.

YOU MEAN UNPLUGGING FROM THE MATRIX. YEAH, I ALREADY LEARNED HOW TO DO THAT.

WHAT ELSE?

who exactly do you want to help with this info?

Push the outer limits of reality until you achieve epic levels of CHIM. Who knows, maybe be like Thanos when he obtained all the soul gems for the Infinity Gauntlet. The impossibilities seem endless.

This is like open-source CHIM training, kind of like a walk in class to anyone passing by. Not everyone will get it, but for those who do, they will know on GLP we are attaining CHIM!

Thanks for your explanation. I was a bit hostile with you and I apologize. I'm one to challenge ideas and test them to no fault of the creator. I challenge my own similar ideas as yours ironically. De ja vu.

I reacted to the idea of being a trivial character in a fictional world with a sense of denial as much as anger. It seems hollow if it's not 'real' but on the other side of the coin reality may not be limited to the waking world. In this I have hope. And where there is hope there is grace. Something I stand to harness as much as focused purpose.

I have had my share of posteriori (nice word, my use of the word theory was off base anyway, since if I'm not mistaken a theory must have evidence to begin with) or personal experience through dreams. Rarely lucid, but sometimes they are telling in symbolic ways, which become clear in the future in moments of synchronicity or similar events unfolding. Long story short. And you're right, this is a matter of experience rather than proof and no amount of evidence would suffice. The dream world is truly free of these constraints. Lest we impose them like thought police - those I sometimes encounter in dream land quite literally.

GOD SAVE ME FOR I HAVE GONE ASTRAY. NOW THAT IM LIVING WITH THE MASSES IVE GROWN TO LOVE THEM, I WANT TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING BUT I DONT KNOW HOW.

I think there is some hacking involved... hack the dream, change reality.

OP I have been an avid lucid dreamer for a few years now; however, precognitive dreaming is something I do not experience (not that I'm aware of anyways).

Any advice for someone like myself in this position?