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Father has laid some major confirmations on me, on the 6/6/13 I had several about the 144,000. I'm now convinced that these are the two witnesses, sent out like the disciples in pairs of 72 (2 x 72 = 144) to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth in the final tribulation, but they are here now, being prepared and their purpose revealed by our Lord.

LUKE 10:1 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go. 2 And he said to them, "The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. 4 Carry no moneybag, no knapsack, no sandals, and greet no one on the road. 5 Whatever house you enter, first say, 'Peace be to this house!' 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest upon him. But if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you. 9 Heal the sick in it and say to them, 'The kingdom of God has come near to you.' 10 But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say, 11 'Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.' " (ESV)

This website article does an amazing job of explaining things:

[link to www.herealittletherealittle.net]

And here is a dream by one spirit-filled man making perfect confirmation of the same thing. You'll have to use your own discernment of course, but for me it was one of several confirmations:



I know longer believe we'll have Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses, but an army of disciples, called from common callings, unremarkable people with remarkable purpose and election from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to preach to the lost even from this day, and in mourning and sack cloth during the final tribulation. Here. Now.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Yes! You nailed it and so did the author of the website! The bible uses Joshua and Zerrubabel as its examples. Joshua represents the priestly half and Zerrubabel represents the governmental half. You will get plenty of other responses, but this is the truth. He who has ears, let him hear!
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."


Find the true meaning of God's Coded Prophecies in The Bible; what each of The Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse symbolises; who The Two Witnesses are and what is going to happen to The Two Witnesses very soon as a punishment for not fulfilling their bonded obligation to God's Covenant in The Torah... [link to jahtruth.net] cool2
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Yes! You nailed it and so did the author of the website! The bible uses Joshua and Zerrubabel as its examples. Joshua represents the priestly half and Zerrubabel represents the governmental half. You will get plenty of other responses, but this is the truth. He who has ears, let him hear!
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Awesome, great stuff, be blessed :)
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Before YOU can understand the TRUTH of the Bible Prophecies, which take up 2/3 of it, or anything similarly complex, you have to decide to be TOTALLY objective and analytical about the FACTS presented and not distracted by irrelevant "clap-trap" from organised religions and "holier than thou" theories. The Bible itself warns you NOT to be led by the "blind guides" of Organised Religions and politics (Isaiah 3 v 12-15) (Matt. 23 v 13, 16 & 24).

Like reading "blue-prints" or "electrical circuit-diagrams" there is some learning to be done & fortunately the instruction for this is in the Bible, and, as you might expect, some of it is coded to stop idiots interfering with the meaning. So it is IMPERATIVE to get the BEST translation - the new "King of kings' Bible" by JAH - Authorised by God; or use the previous best - the king James 1611 original, which is the only human-kingly Authorised Version and not modernised Satanically corrupted translations done by successive churches.

Let's take a look at some of the codes to get you started, so you may agree when you look up the chapter and verse, if you care to check it out.



SUN - The Throne of David - (Psalm 89 v 36) - which is the British Throne. The "Stone of Scone" is Jacob's Pillar and Israel's Throne of David.

MOON - Reflects the light of the SUN. The SUN is the British Throne and the "Commonwealth" reflects her light and power (like the moon does to the sun).

STARS of heaven - U.S.A. (50 on their flag, "STAR spangled banner" etc.)

HEAVENS - Political systems (above the mountains).

MOUNTAIN - Government - (Micah 4 v 1).

EARTH - Downtrodden people (oppressed and poor).

EARTH-QUAKE - Great upheaval of the EARTH (as above).

SEA - Restless, moving people who are not as oppressed and are free to move around (Psalm 65 v 6,7).

WATERS - Peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues (languages) (Apocalypse/Revelation 17 v 15).

HORN - kingdom

UNICORN - Unique horn - "One Kingdom, world without end" - God's Kingdom on Earth - soon.

OLIVE - The "House of Israel" - (people not country)

FIG tree - Jews (Matt. 21 v 20), Christ cursing Judaism for ever in verse 19.

DAY - Year in prophecy (Ezekiel 4 v 6) (Revelation 9 v 5).

MONTH - 30 years in prophecy (Rev. 11 v 2,3 - 42 x 30 = 1260).

SEVEN - The number of completeness in Scripture.



You need to use your common-sense to see what is logical and sensible and whether the words are to be interpreted in their normal way or in God's code. A perfect example of this is when Christ said, "IF, you have enough faith and you say to this mountain, fall into the sea and it will (Matt. 21 v 21)", it obviously did not mean an actual mountain and the sea. It was coded. It is obviously possible for God to cast a mountain into the sea but why should He want to destroy a beautiful mountain that He Himself has created? It means government (mountain) and restless dis-satisfied people (sea).

Think about it. A mountain (govt.) towers over and looks down upon the sea (people) and the sea looks up at the mountain. The sea (people) cannot remove the mountain (govt.) without a tidal-wave. IF you have enough faith and tell the people the TRUTH of God's Perfect System of Government and Laws, you can create that tidal-wave with God's help, for everyone's benefit. SIMPLE.

Now you can start to decode the Prophecies and understand some of them. You cannot decode all of them because God says so, in many places e.g. Daniel was told that the words of one Prophecy were sealed until the time of the end (Daniel 12 v 9). Apocalypse/Revelation chapter 5 tells you that the Book (Bible Prophecy) given to John was sealed with 7 seals. That means completely sealed, because 7 is the number of completeness in Scripture:- 7 days of creation; 7 millennia; 7 churches; etc.

The COMMANDments; Laws; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and Diet are all written in "plain language" for EVERYONE to understand and Live by, but the Prophecies are written in code.

The Prophecies are written in code for two good reasons:-
[link to jahtruth.net] cool2
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall




Hey Jerico, where you been lately?

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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


The two witnesses are two levites, men of God. Not two groups of people. They are known as the sons of oil, the sons of fatness.

Verse 14. - The two anointed ones; literally, the two sons of oil; so the Revised Version; Vulgate, filii olei; Septuagint, υἱοὶ τῆς πιότητος, "sons of fatness" (comp. Isaiah 5:1).

[link to biblehub.com]

Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. Zechariah 4:14
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Before YOU can understand the TRUTH of the Bible Prophecies, which take up 2/3 of it, or anything similarly complex, you have to decide to be TOTALLY objective and analytical about the FACTS presented and not distracted by irrelevant "clap-trap" from organised religions and "holier than thou" theories. The Bible itself warns you NOT to be led by the "blind guides" of Organised Religions and politics (Isaiah 3 v 12-15) (Matt. 23 v 13, 16 & 24).

Like reading "blue-prints" or "electrical circuit-diagrams" there is some learning to be done & fortunately the instruction for this is in the Bible, and, as you might expect, some of it is coded to stop idiots interfering with the meaning. So it is IMPERATIVE to get the BEST translation - the new "King of kings' Bible" by JAH - Authorised by God; or use the previous best - the king James 1611 original, which is the only human-kingly Authorised Version and not modernised Satanically corrupted translations done by successive churches.

Let's take a look at some of the codes to get you started, so you may agree when you look up the chapter and verse, if you care to check it out.



SUN - The Throne of David - (Psalm 89 v 36) - which is the British Throne. The "Stone of Scone" is Jacob's Pillar and Israel's Throne of David.

MOON - Reflects the light of the SUN. The SUN is the British Throne and the "Commonwealth" reflects her light and power (like the moon does to the sun).

STARS of heaven - U.S.A. (50 on their flag, "STAR spangled banner" etc.)

HEAVENS - Political systems (above the mountains).

MOUNTAIN - Government - (Micah 4 v 1).

EARTH - Downtrodden people (oppressed and poor).

EARTH-QUAKE - Great upheaval of the EARTH (as above).

SEA - Restless, moving people who are not as oppressed and are free to move around (Psalm 65 v 6,7).

WATERS - Peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues (languages) (Apocalypse/Revelation 17 v 15).

HORN - kingdom

UNICORN - Unique horn - "One Kingdom, world without end" - God's Kingdom on Earth - soon.

OLIVE - The "House of Israel" - (people not country)

FIG tree - Jews (Matt. 21 v 20), Christ cursing Judaism for ever in verse 19.

DAY - Year in prophecy (Ezekiel 4 v 6) (Revelation 9 v 5).

MONTH - 30 years in prophecy (Rev. 11 v 2,3 - 42 x 30 = 1260).

SEVEN - The number of completeness in Scripture.



You need to use your common-sense to see what is logical and sensible and whether the words are to be interpreted in their normal way or in God's code. A perfect example of this is when Christ said, "IF, you have enough faith and you say to this mountain, fall into the sea and it will (Matt. 21 v 21)", it obviously did not mean an actual mountain and the sea. It was coded. It is obviously possible for God to cast a mountain into the sea but why should He want to destroy a beautiful mountain that He Himself has created? It means government (mountain) and restless dis-satisfied people (sea).

Think about it. A mountain (govt.) towers over and looks down upon the sea (people) and the sea looks up at the mountain. The sea (people) cannot remove the mountain (govt.) without a tidal-wave. IF you have enough faith and tell the people the TRUTH of God's Perfect System of Government and Laws, you can create that tidal-wave with God's help, for everyone's benefit. SIMPLE.

Now you can start to decode the Prophecies and understand some of them. You cannot decode all of them because God says so, in many places e.g. Daniel was told that the words of one Prophecy were sealed until the time of the end (Daniel 12 v 9). Apocalypse/Revelation chapter 5 tells you that the Book (Bible Prophecy) given to John was sealed with 7 seals. That means completely sealed, because 7 is the number of completeness in Scripture:- 7 days of creation; 7 millennia; 7 churches; etc.

The COMMANDments; Laws; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and Diet are all written in "plain language" for EVERYONE to understand and Live by, but the Prophecies are written in code.

The Prophecies are written in code for two good reasons:-
[link to jahtruth.net] cool2
 Quoting: EatonRapids


At a glance, I agree with some of this, namely that we are to keep God's law (thank goodness some people actually get this) and also that Britain had many of Israel migrate through her, and ultimately to the US.

There are however I see several false assumptions, for example the sun and moon are described in Joseph's dream in Genesis. This person is using some private interpretation here which we are told not to do when unraveling prophecy. Did you read the article and watch the video or have you married yourself to these ideas already??
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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An excellent teaching on the two witnesses.

[link to www.stevenmcollins.com]

The third prophesied Elijah will be one of them,

Matthew 17:10-13

King James Version (KJV)

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
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That video is pretty awesome.
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This is MIND BLOWING!!!!!!! WOWOWOW! I knew it were 2 groups of people that would be preaching and teaching, but never knew about the pairs and the billions of souls......this is AMAZING STUFF!

Thank you so much for posting it!

hf
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall




Hey Jerico, where you been lately?

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Hi Lisa! Mostly facebook and youtube tbh... plus my prayer life is so full that a lot of times I just don't get the computer time, but I can do much more for the kingdom praying 2 hours+ day.

Your video comes to some very similar conclusions, but I hold to the article link I've posted which is very detailed. There is no way that every Christian alive is going to be able to turn water to blood and shut up the heavens etc. This is people walking in the power and spirit of Elijah. Check the link out if you haven't already. At any rate, these confirmations were laid on me by the Lord himself, I'm fine if not everyone has the same experience hf
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall




Hey Jerico, where you been lately?

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Hi Lisa! Mostly facebook and youtube tbh... plus my prayer life is so full that a lot of times I just don't get the computer time, but I can do much more for the kingdom praying 2 hours+ day.

Your video comes to some very similar conclusions, but I hold to the article link I've posted which is very detailed. There is no way that every Christian alive is going to be able to turn water to blood and shut up the heavens etc. This is people walking in the power and spirit of Elijah. Check the link out if you haven't already. At any rate, these confirmations were laid on me by the Lord himself, I'm fine if not everyone has the same experience hf
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Yea, I agree 100%. Great thread!!!! Glad to see you here again.

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This is MIND BLOWING!!!!!!! WOWOWOW! I knew it were 2 groups of people that would be preaching and teaching, but never knew about the pairs and the billions of souls......this is AMAZING STUFF!

Thank you so much for posting it!

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Something cool, the same day I saw this man's video who I'd never come across before I posted it on facebook, and a woman there I just had friended said he is a close friend of hers and confirmed he is a spirit filled godly man. Same day!

I had only read the article from the 'here a little there a little' website which set off a bonfire in my spirit, and then a brother in the US sends me a video called 'here a little there a little'at the same time! I asked him why he called it that and his answer was Í do no know brother!'.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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This is MIND BLOWING!!!!!!! WOWOWOW! I knew it were 2 groups of people that would be preaching and teaching, but never knew about the pairs and the billions of souls......this is AMAZING STUFF!

Thank you so much for posting it!

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Something cool, the same day I saw this man's video who I'd never come across before I posted it on facebook, and a woman there I just had friended said he is a close friend of hers and confirmed he is a spirit filled godly man. Same day!

I had only read the article from the 'here a little there a little' website which set off a bonfire in my spirit, and then a brother in the US sends me a video called 'here a little there a little'at the same time! I asked him why he called it that and his answer was Í do no know brother!'.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes, this is exciting stuff for sure! I just subscribed to him.

Thanks again for posting it! Made my day!

hf
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
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Yes but the two witnesses have completely different roles than the 144,000 and should not be compared to each other. The two witnesses are completely distinct from the two witnesses who will have the power over rain, over plagues and will be able to call fire down from heaven to kill those who try and get in their way.
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The father has led you wrong then....which means, I don't suspect you were connected to "the father" when you dreamed this one up in your basement.
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That was a good video, makes perfect sense! The problem with lack of understanding is that the religions have parroted their versions of what the good book says, and people are too busy or whatever to read on their own, so they accept what they have been told.
In truth, that is the problem with the whole world, we are told what is truth and we accept it without finding it out for ourselves.
The 144,000 are ordinary people just like you and me. God will change them, and they will be sent out in pairs, just like you said. They are all descendants of David. So was Christ. This is the pattern, God follows patterns. They are the Branch!
Jeremiah 33:15 In those days and at that time
I will cause to grow up to David
A Branch of righteousness;
He shall execute judgement
and righteousness in the earth.

(16) In those days Judah will be saved,
And Jerusalem will dwell safely.
And this is the name by which she will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Jeremiah 33:25 "Thus says the Lord:
If My covenant is not with day and night,
and if I have not appointed the ordinances
of heaven and earth,

(26) then I will cast away the descendants
of Jacob and David My servant,
so that I will not take any of his descendants
to be rulers over the descendants of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
For I will cause their captives to return,
and will have mercy on them.
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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Agreed, plus I never have trusted the new translations. But that is a whole bucket of worms and there would not be enough pages on this forum. My fingers and keyboard could not handle the strain.

That being said the KJV says seventy not seventy two, as I have said before that is the book I believe.



Luke 10:1-3

King James Version (KJV)


"After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come."

"Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest."

"Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves."
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
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Yes but the two witnesses have completely different roles than the 144,000 and should not be compared to each other. The 144,000 are completely distinct from the two witnesses who will have the power over rain, over plagues and will be able to call fire down from heaven to kill those who try and get in their way.
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Fixed.
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes but the two witnesses have completely different roles than the 144,000 and should not be compared to each other. The two witnesses are completely distinct from the two witnesses who will have the power over rain, over plagues and will be able to call fire down from heaven to kill those who try and get in their way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


Look at Luke 10:1 again... it's exactly what the 144k will be doing. The miracles that they do in Jesus name (John 14:12) will be witness to those around them that there is POWER in the name of Jesus and that he is our saviour.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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One of the two witnesses is compared with Joshua the high priest as one of the witnesses will also be high priest.

That is a very distinct role and certainly can not be applied to a group of people.
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putin

The father has led you wrong then....which means, I don't suspect you were connected to "the father" when you dreamed this one up in your basement.
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Wow you must know a lot about me and my relationship with the Lord... or you are bearing false witness to it. Try not to assume that because what you believe isn't what others are saying that they are wrong and you are right. I don't know you and I don't know how Father communicates with you.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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One of the two witnesses is compared with Joshua the high priest as one of the witnesses will also be high priest.

That is a very distinct role and certainly can not be applied to a group of people.
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Said where? If you have an argument go for it but make your case in scripture and not anecdotes.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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No they're not. How can they be the 144,000? There are only two of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes but the two witnesses have completely different roles than the 144,000 and should not be compared to each other. The two witnesses are completely distinct from the two witnesses who will have the power over rain, over plagues and will be able to call fire down from heaven to kill those who try and get in their way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


Look at Luke 10:1 again... it's exactly what the 144k will be doing. The miracles that they do in Jesus name (John 14:12) will be witness to those around them that there is POWER in the name of Jesus and that he is our saviour.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes, but the two witnesses are God's end-times Prophets and can not in anyway be compared to the two witnesses. They will not have power to shut the heavens, they will not be invincible like the two witnesses, they will not have any power of the plagues, and they will not be resurrected for all the World to see and fly up to heaven. The two witnesses are given Authority from God Almighty, the 144,000 do not have that same Authority.
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One of the two witnesses is compared with Joshua the high priest as one of the witnesses will also be high priest.

That is a very distinct role and certainly can not be applied to a group of people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


Said where? If you have an argument go for it but make your case in scripture and not anecdotes.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


The Two Olive Trees:

Revelation 11:4 calls the two witnesses “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” This prophecy indicates that the prophecy about the two witnesses is directly linked to (or foreshadowed by) a prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 about two individuals called the “two olive trees.” Since Revelation 11 links the two witnesses to information in Zechariah 3-4’s prophecy, a digression into Zechariah’s prophecy is necessary to understand more about the two witnesses.
The prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 gives the names “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” to the two men called the “two olive trees” in Zechariah 4:11, and it reveals that they are alive at a time “the foundation of this house” (verse 9) has been laid down. Zechariah and Haggai were two prophets who lived at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah (Ezra 5:1, 6:14), and Zechariah’s prophecy about the “two olive trees” likens them to two of their actual contemporaries who were named Joshua and Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was a political officer and Joshua was a High Priest at that time (Haggai 1:1, 12). Since the two historic figures called the “two olive trees” are referenced in Revelation 11 as types of the two witnesses, it could indicate that one of the two witnesses will have a political background while the other “witness” will have a priestly/ministerial background.
Zechariah 4:6 states that Zerubbabel’s power will flow from God’s Holy Spirit. This is consistent with Revelation 11:3 that God’s power will energize the two witnesses at the time of their calling. Verse 7 prophesies that a “great mountain” will become “a plain” before Zerubbabel. Mountains are used in prophecies as types of human nations (Isaiah 1:1-4 is one such example). Zerubbabel will be able to turn “a great mountain” (a very powerful nation or alliance of nations) into “a plain.” In other words, God’s power will be so strong in Zerubbabel that the military power of mighty nations (or the “beast” power” of Revelation) will be “leveled” before Zerubbabel. No human military power will be able to stand before the Divine power that will flow through the Two Witnesses. Zerubbabel had been involved in “laying the foundation of the house” (i.e. an earlier Temple) in Zechariah 4:9, which may indicate that one of the two witnesses will be involved with the effort to build a temple of God in Jerusalem in the latter days, and that these efforts will proceed from a time of very humble beginnings (“the day of small things” in Zechariah 4:10). Zerubbabel uses a “plummet,” a tool used in construction measurements. This parallels the fact that the two witnesses will emerge at a time the latter-day temple is being “measured” (Revelation 11:1-2).
Zechariah 3 is a prophecy about “Joshua,” the other “olive tree” of this prophecy and a type of the other “witness” of Revelation 11. Zechariah 3:1 mentions that Joshua was serving as the high priest in Ezra’s time, and Joshua is personified as being between an “the angel of the Lord” and Satan (who is resisting or opposing him). This “Joshua” is at a nexus of a battle being waged between good and bad angels, but the Lord decides the contest in favor of a good outcome. The Lord rebukes Satan from opposing Joshua any further and then likens Joshua to a “brand plucked from the fire.” Joshua is further depicted as being clothed in “filthy garments” as he “stood before an angel.” A “brand plucked from the fire” pictures a stick or branch that is in the process of being ignited or burned in a fire, but which is “plucked” or rescued from the fire so it is not consumed.
This “Joshua” does not emerge unscathed from the spiritual contest between good and evil angels which has raged around him. His “filthy garments” indicate he is in a sinful or personally damaged state when he is “plucked from the fire” and rescued by God. In verses 4-5, God removes Joshua’s “iniquity” and he is figuratively given new, clean garments and a fair miter (the clothing of a priest). In other words, this individual is “cleaned up” or “restored” so he can perform the duties assigned to him by God. In verses 6-8, an angel gives Joshua a charge to walk in God’s ways in order to perform the priestly duties assigned to him. This is not the first time that God has chosen a spiritually-damaged or “unfit” individual to serve him in a prophetic capacity. When Isaiah was called to be a prophet, he protested that he was unworthy because he had “unclean lips” (Isaiah 6:5), and the Apostle Paul had previously been an enemy of God when known by his earlier surname of “Saul” (Acts 8-9).
Zechariah 4:11-14 describe Joshua and Zerubbabel not only as the “two olive trees,” but also as “the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” [Emphasis added.] This strongly parallels the role of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 who will serve as two “anointed ones” who will wield Divine power in a global ministry in the latter days. The separate descriptions of “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” apparently give us clues about some aspects of the lives of the two people who will be called by God to be the two witnesses in the latter days. If not, why would God tell us in Revelation 11 that the two witnesses are the “two olive trees” and then give us specific information in Zechariah 3-4 about the two individuals personified in these roles?


And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. Zachariah 3:1
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes but the two witnesses have completely different roles than the 144,000 and should not be compared to each other. The two witnesses are completely distinct from the two witnesses who will have the power over rain, over plagues and will be able to call fire down from heaven to kill those who try and get in their way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


Look at Luke 10:1 again... it's exactly what the 144k will be doing. The miracles that they do in Jesus name (John 14:12) will be witness to those around them that there is POWER in the name of Jesus and that he is our saviour.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes, but the two witnesses are God's end-times Prophets and can not in anyway be compared to the 144,000. They will not have power to shut the heavens, they will not be invincible like the two witnesses, they will not have any power of the plagues, and they will not be resurrected for all the World to see and fly up to heaven. The two witnesses are given Authority from God Almighty, the 144,000 do not have that same Authority.
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Damn typos.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, there are two groups of witnesses, going out 2 by 2... to witness to the world that Jesus Christ is king of kings and lord of lords. Read the link article and I pray it is a blessing to you.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes but the two witnesses have completely different roles than the 144,000 and should not be compared to each other. The two witnesses are completely distinct from the two witnesses who will have the power over rain, over plagues and will be able to call fire down from heaven to kill those who try and get in their way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


Look at Luke 10:1 again... it's exactly what the 144k will be doing. The miracles that they do in Jesus name (John 14:12) will be witness to those around them that there is POWER in the name of Jesus and that he is our saviour.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes, but the two witnesses are God's end-times Prophets and can not in anyway be compared to the two witnesses. They will not have power to shut the heavens, they will not be invincible like the two witnesses, they will not have any power of the plagues, and they will not be resurrected for all the World to see and fly up to heaven. The two witnesses are given Authority from God Almighty, the 144,000 do not have that same Authority.
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Did you read the article? You didn't did you?? Give it a go... but you're only countering with here say, nothing you've said is backed up from the Word, and I disagree with you opinion. If you're stuck on it fine, be blessed and you can say you shared your view.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Yes but the two witnesses have completely different roles than the 144,000 and should not be compared to each other. The two witnesses are completely distinct from the two witnesses who will have the power over rain, over plagues and will be able to call fire down from heaven to kill those who try and get in their way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41968182


Look at Luke 10:1 again... it's exactly what the 144k will be doing. The miracles that they do in Jesus name (John 14:12) will be witness to those around them that there is POWER in the name of Jesus and that he is our saviour.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Yes, but the two witnesses are God's end-times Prophets and can not in anyway be compared to the 144,000. They will not have power to shut the heavens, they will not be invincible like the two witnesses, they will not have any power of the plagues, and they will not be resurrected for all the World to see and fly up to heaven. The two witnesses are given Authority from God Almighty, the 144,000 do not have that same Authority.
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Damn typos.
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ezechial/joseph/jacob/jesus/shiva all the same am i wrong?

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