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How do you think UFO's work?

 
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The truth is in your eyes.....

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I think they are biological organisms, at least some of them.
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I think they are biological organisms, at least some of them.
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Why?
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I believe it may have something to do with magnetics and possibly centrifugal force combined with an unknown source of fuel...possibly a heavy metal like gold or gold mixed with something not of this earth....Helium 3?
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Good guess on the He3 part... In their case, it is used as a fuel for a type of fusion, which directly creates electrical power from the reaction. It also has other uses, it can be used to power types of engines, except it does not chemically 'burn' like you're used to thiking, but again in sustaining a fusion reaction, it 'burns' with something on the order of 80% of the entropy of a hydrogen fusion reaction, except with BENEFITS - namely it is aneutronic, meaning it's 'exhaust' is all protons which are not harmful in the same way that neutron radiation is, and can be easily controlled with a simple magnetic field.

According to Bob Lazar the Area-51 insider, the operative substance in a UFO as far as it's antigravitic capabilities are concerned is a synthetic element we would refer to as element 115, which in the same family column on the Periodic table as Bismuth, and it displays even greater gravitic properties when excited.
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
with varying vacuum density around the ship (in atmosphere),
low density of vacuum will suck the ship in that direction.. yeah very fast!
now the generation of the density.. nuclear device (old tech, but works well)

hf
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You are probably all wrong. Nobody knows how they really work.
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You are probably all wrong. Nobody knows how they really work.
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Somebody knows
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probably cant speak english, the poor lil guys rant
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
It works exactly the opposite of how you imagine it to work.

By 'increasing' their 'inertial mass' along an axis they 'stay in place' along that axis while space around them expands.

They don't move at all. If they did, their pilots would turn into mushed pancakes. Instead, everything else around them moves away from them. Speed of light is the only limit.
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It works exactly the opposite of how you imagine it to work.

By 'increasing' their 'inertial mass' along an axis they 'stay in place' along that axis while space around them expands.

They don't move at all. If they did, their pilots would turn into mushed pancakes. Instead, everything else around them moves away from them. Speed of light is the only limit.
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How do you know that?
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sky whales and sky jelly fish? indigenous to earth.
just cos we cant live in the upper atmosphere doesn't mean other creatures can't.
H.A.P.= Human Annihilation Project
ETBWB = ExtraTerrestrial Biological Weather Balloon.
EBSG = Extraterrestrial Biological Swamp Gas.
HAB = High Altitude Being.
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
If you cannot identify them, they are a UFO. Just because you cannot identify them does not mean the UFO is Extraterrestrial. If it is Extraterrestrial that does not mean it is a advanced being.

So yeah. If you cannot identify them, they are a UFO.
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It's ALL ball bearings nowadays!!!tounge
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
It works exactly the opposite of how you imagine it to work.

By 'increasing' their 'inertial mass' along an axis they 'stay in place' along that axis while space around them expands.

They don't move at all. If they did, their pilots would turn into mushed pancakes. Instead, everything else around them moves away from them. Speed of light is the only limit.
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How do you know that?
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INERTIAL COMPENSATORS

Simple.
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
I believe it may have something to do with magnetics and possibly centrifugal force combined with an unknown source of fuel...possibly a heavy metal like gold or gold mixed with something not of this earth....Helium 3?
 Quoting: BoilerBloodline


Apart from the heavy metal thing, that is exactly the image I was given when aboard one about 15 years ago.

I fully understood it when they told me, but at a complete loss to explain it now...all I can say is magnet and spinning. I sound so edumacated.

And thats why I admit it here only
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
Great thread going here guys and gals. I like all the ideas and even the jokes. My guess is that Bob Lazar was shown a real one, but was lied to about how it worked. He didn't get to see the "amplifiers" while the machine was on, so he didn't notice the rotation.
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Flying saucers are fueled by psychic and spiritual energy. They are not physical and can actually break the laws of physics.
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My guess is that there is a gyroscope inside the ship that is primarily used as a stabilizer. It has another function though. I feel that Bob Lazar was shown a real one but lied to about how it worked. As this thing spins, it's spinning something else. More clues soon perhaps.
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
Magnetic fields? I presume it would be the same way as the guy who built coral castle. Reversing the magnetic fields and creating a charge from the Ether.
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they would need some sort of super duper hyper coil to generate the magnetism to create the repulsion that would be great enough to move some serious weight though. i don't know if any geniuses have invented that yet.
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Are you good enough to go to Heaven? Answer honestly: Have you ever lied, stolen (regardless of value), or looked with lust? Jesus said "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." God is Holy. Imagine a man in a courtroom; a criminal guilty of serious crimes. He is tried, convicted, and sentenced to life or a fine of a MILLION DOLLARS. when the judge steps down and pays his fine! Even though he's still guilty, his fine has been paid and justice has been satisfied! The judge was both merciful and just. Jesus died for sinners. While fully God and fully man, Jesus lived a sinless life. In love He took the wrath of God and penalty for sin on Himself on the Cross. Then He rose from the grave, showing the penalty paid. What should you do? God commands you to repent and trust in Jesus ALONE. Don't trust in "good works.? Cry out to God for mercy and put your faith in Jesus, confessing and forsaking sins. God can change your heart so you can desire Holiness. Make peace with God today; you may not have tomorrow. Eternity is worth much more than a MILLION DOLLARS!

the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God, and is the ONLY way to heaven. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9) He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. (Proverbs 28:13) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:3) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30) Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (Hebrews 12:14) May we all prepare for Jesus in repentance and holiness. If you need a bible please contact me, God loves you.
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Hyper-advanced vehicles operate on an induced mass system. How this “mass” is induced and guided can be through any number of basic power generation methods. In fact, it could be theoretically be accomplished with a steam engine, assuming it was exceedingly efficient and large enough.

This is made possible due to the true nature of the visible universe in this dimension. You have been taught that everything in the visible universe has mass and therefore exerts a gravitational force with time as a variable. This is not entirely accurate.

The true nature of the universe is dimensionality. All that is seen and unseen operate on this principle. To make things simple, the dimensional terms of “above” and “below” can be used, but in truth, there is no direction of “above or below” wen discussing hyper-dimensional physics.

The mass that is visible, like our sun, is simply a manifestation or "growth" from another universe dimension "above" us into the universe in which we operate "below". The mass that is not visible to us makes up the bulk of the universe with groupings scattered across all dimensions. Another such example is a so-called black hole. It is essentially a "growth" that has gotten too large when passing from one dimension from "above", then "through" our dimension, ending up in a dimension below.

These intrusions (or lack thereof) are the true source of mass-gravity and is also the reason why space-time is warped at these dimensional rifts. When the dimension above our plane becomes warped to the point of breaking, the phenomenon of "matter" results in this universe with a corresponding tear into the dimension. When our universe dimension warps to the point of breaking, it results in the formation of "matter" in a dimension below with a corresponding tear in our universe... and so on.

The very nature of what we call matter is a guide to identify direction through dimensions and space-time (as we perceive it). This is the "arrow" of space-time-gravity. In one direction, matter can point towards the next dimension due to its increasing density. Eventually, what we perceive as matter becomes so dense that a tear develops which changes the fundamental nature of reality and entrance into a close, but separate dimension. This is the real reason why as to why anything traveling near the speed of light sheds its dimensional shackles of original mass and time. Both variables are mathematically headed towards infinity (and because of this, so does “gravity”), but in reality, a dimensional tear is created. There is no true infinity that exists inside this universe. The infinity of one universe is the building blocks of the next. Likewise, a tear from another dimension can manifest itself here, in our dimension.

If all the "matter" across all dimensions (regardless of perceived manifestation or source) were to be put together, the result is a completely 100% full of matter true universe. Everything, when perceived at this level, is attached or mashed together. There is no such thing as empty space. It is full. Completely. There are no spaces between spaces, they simply cannot be perceived. However, they can be manipulated.

It is this knowledge which allows interstellar travel without crossing vast distances of time and space. Travel in this manner takes place using other dimensions as a short-cut where the limitations of this universe do not exist.

This is all that can be said for now.
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Good posts everyone. However, please stay on topic or as close as you can. This is not a religious thread. We all appreciate the desire to save us from damnation, but this thread is not the place for that discussion.

I like the idea about multiple dimensions and that when all of these are combined, the universe is full of mass. That's a new idea for me and I"ll have to ponder it for a while.
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It works exactly the opposite of how you imagine it to work.

By 'increasing' their 'inertial mass' along an axis they 'stay in place' along that axis while space around them expands.

They don't move at all. If they did, their pilots would turn into mushed pancakes. Instead, everything else around them moves away from them. Speed of light is the only limit.
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Hmm, out of all the comments here, this one seems most intriguing.
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Re: How do you think UFO's work?
It's simple really.

Take two disc's not unlike two very large clutch plates except these are 20ft in Dia. both have extremely heavy duty cycle magnets, face the same pole toward each other so they repel one another. Start at 5 ft. apart with the magnets rotated to a neutral position i.e. half way between neg/pos.

Now spin both large discs in opposite directions at 50,000RPM
and push the discs together and then rotate the magnets so as to repel ( neg/pos) This will cause a total disruption of the gravity between the disc's. Now interject a modulated frequency. The lower or raising of the frequency between 6900 and 9900 HZ
will control the direction of the movement. How all this is accomplished is up to you to find out.
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I was inspired today by a guy on a motorcycle with an orange bandanna on. So I will talk about my theory on how these work. I will adress some probable counter points in the future if I am so inspired.

Okay, start by watching the video at this link: [link to www.youtube.com]

In this video you can see how the gyroscope resists tilting to the point where it is holding up a good amount of weight. It only does this of course when it is spinning. Eric acts like he doesn't know why, but it is simple. When a gyroscope spins, the centrifugal force being exerted to the outside of the disk and axis increases with the rate of spin. Also the more mass the gyro has, the more axis rigidity it has. It is as if a bunch of people were standing around the thing each with a hand on the gyro and each pulling at it in a different direction at the same time until all directions outward are being pulled. All of this pull is with the same force. Now in that situation, you can imagine that the weight pushing on the axis would have to be pulled by gravity stronger than all the forces pulling the axis against gravity. This includes the pulls up and to the sides. Even though you have added to the downward pull with the weight, it still doesn't surpass the countering pulls. In fact, if the gyro was spinning fast enough, it could support not only the weight of the base, but it's own weight as well. However, gravity is still pulling on the gyro itself, so we are only halfway there at this point.

So, is there a way to get a flying saucer to rest it's entire weight and the weight of it's drive (gyros) onto the axis of a gyro or gyros, and also somehow counter the weight of these gyros at the same time? There is.

On another forum, I once mentioned that there is an image, or symbol in our culture that looks exactly like the drive as seen from above. This is a very early version of the drive as far as I can tell as it uses arms in place of the disk of the main gyro. I assume that this was figured out by 1912 and was kept as a well guarded secret. The reason I assume this is that a secret society was formed and they used the image as their logo. You can easily find the image online doing a quick google search. The society was called the Thule society and the symbol is known today as a swastika. Members of this society later formed the Nazi party, which coincidentally are the ones who had the "Nazi Bell" under development at the end of WWII. I assume we got the technology from them after the war.

Don't write back that the swastika was an Indian or Asian symbol and that that is where they got it from. I know that, however, the turned part goes the opposite direction on the Nazi version and when you consider what I'm about to disclose, it will seem that I might be correct.

Notice that there are four arms going outward from the center in the symbol. The center is the axis seen from above. When not in operation, the arms are down to the side of the axis. As the axis spins, they rise. At the end of each arm (drumroll please) ... there is another gyro! In the image of the swastika, these gyros are precessing and that is why they are sticking out away from the arm. These gyros are in a position where their axis are horizontal to the Earth, while the big, or center gyro has it's axis vertical to the Earth.

Why does this matter? Because as the big gyro spins, the arms raise up, but are stopped before they can get to a horizontal position. The centrifugal force of the spinning big gyro throws them out with much force, and when they are stopped before getting to the horizontal position, they begin putting upward force against the stop. The stop touches the gyro at it's axis, and thus any force in the opposite direction is diverted sideways into precession. Since the entire weight of the ship, including arms and "rim gyros" is resting on the big gyro's axis at the top, all that weight is diverted into the rim gyros. Spinning fast enough, the rim gyros can support it.

But what about gravity pulling down on the rim gyros? Centrifugal force is pushing these outward with more force than gravity is using trying to pull them down and so they will not fall.

The rim gyros are positioned at the ends of the arms in such a way so as to be able to rotate freely any direction. And with this much force on them, they do!

Whenever you push up on something, an equal force is applied in the opposite direction. So, normally if you were inside a disk and pushed up on it with your hands, it would not lift because an equal downward force is being put on the craft as well. But if you were standing under it and it was light enough, and you pushed up, you might be able to lift it. But when you did, all that weight would be put onto the ground through your feet. Your feet might even sink into the ground a bit and leave a deep footprint. But with this setup, it's as if you were carrying a bit of "ground" around with you inside the ship. The thing is pushing off of the rim gyros' axis as if it were solid ground and that force does not push downward on the ship!

The stop creates a direct up/down pressure between the stop and the axis of the rim gyro. The arm itself does not act as a lever because the counter force from the stop is going down and not to the side where the arm is. And even if it did, this would just put the downward force back on the ship itself which would still end up being redirected to the side by the rim gyros. The stop travels around with the arms and sticks down towards the axis of a rim gyro to stop it from rising just above where they arm would be out straight. Centrifugal force keeps trying to raise it higher, thus upward push is exerted on the stop, and thus the big gyro and thus the ship itself. As the ship moves up from this, the arms rise up as well as it is still trying to get to the horizontal position.
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Thanks to a guy at the movie theater with hat and cane for inspiring me tonight.

Now, I made a mistake in my previous ideas, but it turns out to not matter. In this post I will fix my mistake. The mistake has to do with the idea that the vertical big gyro will press against the rim gyro downward and be held up by it. It will be held up by it turns out, but not due to the big gyro falling and trying to pull the rim gyro down from the side. In fact, the centrifugal force makes the arm act as a solid part of the gyro and gravity's downward pull on the rim gyro and arm does push down on the axis where it connects, thus it will all fall at the same rate in spite of the centrifugal force. Experiments have proven this as a spinning gyro does not lose weight as it spins. While there may be some slight loss of weight according to some researchers, it is not enough to make a difference to what I'm discussing here.

However, it turns out that that does not matter. I think that in the "Swastika Model" the "stop" can't be seen due to the view being from the top down, but it must be there. The stop comes down from the disk (or arm) and is attached to the rim gyro at one end of it's axis. As the big gyro spins, the rim gyro sticks out. The "stop" tries to move out straight but can't because it is not a lever. That's fine because the up and outward force is still applied to the disk. Plus, instead of the back force being down like it would if an arm was attached at the big gyro's axis, it goes laterally towards the axis through the disk. Once it is spinning, I assume then they turn on the rim gyros.

So, when the upward force is applied from the stop trying to swing out, the "levered" force does not go back against the rim gyro. And the weight of the ship is pushed against by it and is redirected into sideways precession by the rim gyro. Spin it fast enough and the entire weight of the ship plus rim gyros will be able to be overcome by the upward force of the rim gyros. (Because all downward force is redirected, there's nothing to overcome and even the slightest upward push will make the ship rise.) When the ship gets to the desired altitude, the stops can be retracted to reduce the upward force until it stops rising.
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This thread is for people to speculate on how a UFO might achieve the anti-gravity like effects that so many witnesses report. How to they hover, fly and so on.

I myself feel that they are somehow cutting off or otherwise denying gravity it's ability to pull the ship downward. Any thoughts?
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My guess is they r weightless and quite spiritual only letting you see them so u no they r there.j. guess
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This thread is for people to speculate on how a UFO might achieve the anti-gravity like effects that so many witnesses report. How to they hover, fly and so on.

I myself feel that they are somehow cutting off or otherwise denying gravity it's ability to pull the ship downward. Any thoughts?
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Depends on which species of alien ship you want to know about.

Greys used an electromagnetic warp drive. Coils and coils of copper and magnetic materials wrapped around, to generate a powerful kinetic field to travel. I won't say how they got it to operate, but the science behind it was alright. Most of their tech was stolen tech, from other alien races. I worked in Area 51 in the 1980's.

The more advanced species use a plasma warp conduit. It releases massive amounts of radiation, but the dampeners work flawlessly. They get uranium to work on a sub-atomic scale, where it gets shattered into millions of pieces, this energy then is converted and used for space travel (warp drive).

Then you get the odd space crafts that are a bit primitive. These ones use radiated fuel sources for travel. They cannot achieve warp drive capabilities, and it takes years for them to travel distances. These aliens hardly come here, their tech is primitive compared to other species.
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