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2 Dead at Air Show - Plane Crash!!! (PIN WITH WARNING! VIDEO IS ...shocking)

 
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He got too low for the stunt and panicked. It sounded like he also tried to pull out while inverted. The line of thrust (inverted) pulling him further towards the ground.
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He got too low for the stunt and panicked. It sounded like he also tried to pull out while inverted. The line of thrust (inverted) pulling him further towards the ground.
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That moment where he drifted too low is what interests me. It looks like he was not flying at all during the downward drift, till you see the tail twitch. Thus my "loss of consciousness" theory.
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Pilot's name was Abdulah, he screamed Allah O' Akbar right before the crash
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cruise
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anyone wanna talk about the masons and how they know the future, and how this announcer talks about her 'going away' and >gulps< right before they eat it.


masonic sign... watch, its kinda like the cops pointing at the bomb right before it explodes at the boston marathon...

real!
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Re: 2 Dead at Air Show - Plane Crash!!! (PIN WITH WARNING! VIDEO IS ...shocking)
The move down was so sudden it almost looks like a mechanical failure, like the elevator cable broke.

My dad was flying a small plane one time and the rudder cable snapped. He was able to land safely by leaning out on the wing strut to slowly turn the plane back to the field. it was a mystery why it broke. He was very fastidious about maintenance and pre-flight checks.

The point is, things happen no matter how careful you are.
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Looks like she was strapped to a seat back of some kind, which remained strapped to her upper torso that was bouncing off the ground. Looking at it again, I think her head and arms were all torn off and only her trunk was left.
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Mixed up controls, mistake, basically the same thing. People make mistakes every day driving regular automobiles they have driven thousands of times before with no problem & they or other people die from it. Pointing out those mistakes is not disrespecting them.


With that said, name-calling & belittling people for having simple opinions & conversing in a productive manner are signs of narcissistic personality disorder maybe even sociopathic tendencies.

Perhaps if you learned to converse in a matter that was respectful of other people instead of being a pretentious arrogant boor, your social life may extend past your keyboard, mouse & monitor & you may get a real-life friend or two & maybe even get laid one day.
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Back up you think with observations of the video than, how does the attitude of the plane show he "mixed up the controls"?

I won't even touch the hypocrisy of your second paragraph by your third.

Done talking to you.
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He got too low for the stunt and panicked. It sounded like he also tried to pull out while inverted. The line of thrust (inverted) pulling him further towards the ground.
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That moment where he drifted too low is what interests me. It looks like he was not flying at all, till you see the tail twitch. Thus my "loss of consciousness" theory.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Yes Hi zenobiaphobia, I just wonder why loss of consciousness he's flown upside down in so many airshows. It seems plausible though.

I'm too wondering if it has to do with the dizzy and falling unconscious treads this week. There have been more than normal.
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Re: 2 Dead at Air Show - Plane Crash!!! (PIN WITH WARNING! VIDEO IS ...shocking)
he forgot the plane was inverted that's why

I betcha it has to do with prescription pills...they make you do those kind of mistakes
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It looks like murder-suicide to me.
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Shut the fuck up and show some respect....
 Quoting: CHL2T


I'm not the guy who posted the "murder-suicide" comment, but I do have a hard time showing respect for people who tempt fate on a regular basis. When they finally pay for it, it's like... Ho Hum... What's the big surprise?
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Tacky thread.
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He got too low for the stunt and panicked. It sounded like he also tried to pull out while inverted. The line of thrust (inverted) pulling him further towards the ground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42097912


That moment where he drifted too low is what interests me. It looks like he was not flying at all, till you see the tail twitch. Thus my "loss of consciousness" theory.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Yes Hi zenobiaphobia, I just wonder why loss of consciousness he's flown upside down in so many airshows. It seems plausible though.

I'm too wondering if it has to do with the dizzy and falling unconscious treads this week. There have been more than normal.
 Quoting: LIL' ANGEL


Like those freakish trends when everybody on the news starts to speak in tongues?




Being a stunt pilot can put a lot of strain on the arteries and veins because of the changes in pressure they experience. This may put them at greater risk of a stroke or heart issue.




[link to avstop.com]


(1) Little is known about the effects of high -Gz on humans because -Gz accelerations have caused considerable discomfort in those studied. Aerobatic pilots have reported small hemorrhages in the eyes and skin. Harold Krier, an accomplished aerobatic pilot, wrote that if he got a pain in the top of his head while pulling -G's, he eased off on the controls to reduce the G loading.


(2) The blood vessels in the brain tolerate mild -Gz stresses well, but the increased blood pressure in the chest and neck causes a slowing of the heart in virtually all subjects. In a few individuals, there is such a marked slowing of the heart that there are intervals of several seconds between beats. In some people, the heart may beat irregularly after -Gz exposure. The slowing of the heart and irregularities of beats can add to the stagnation of blood in the brain. Thus, it appears that the greatest threat from -Gz is the loss of consciousness from the slowing of the heart, irregularities of the heartbeats, and stagnation of blood in the head.
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Re: 2 Dead at Air Show - Plane Crash!!! (PIN WITH WARNING! VIDEO IS ...shocking)
I dunno, I lean towards wind to be a factor in this. You can see he never fully inverts in the video and almost immediately tries to recover. It is too late though, he is too low. Once he start the aircraft banking again it naturally wants to tip down. You can see him try to correct with the rudder but it just isn't enough, it never would have been.

He knew it was over as soon as the plane was partially inverted. Everything after that was survival instinct, futile that it was.
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Re: 2 Dead at Air Show - Plane Crash!!! (PIN WITH WARNING! VIDEO IS ...shocking)
Mixed up controls, mistake, basically the same thing. People make mistakes every day driving regular automobiles they have driven thousands of times before with no problem & they or other people die from it. Pointing out those mistakes is not disrespecting them.


With that said, name-calling & belittling people for having simple opinions & conversing in a productive manner are signs of narcissistic personality disorder maybe even sociopathic tendencies.

Perhaps if you learned to converse in a matter that was respectful of other people instead of being a pretentious arrogant boor, your social life may extend past your keyboard, mouse & monitor & you may get a real-life friend or two & maybe even get laid one day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1721958


Back up you think with observations of the video than, how does the attitude of the plane show he "mixed up the controls"?

I won't even touch the hypocrisy of your second paragraph by your third.

Done talking to you.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


I don't think hypocrisy means what you think it means.Also, why would you poise a question to me & then say "you're done talking to me" ?

At any rate let me explain my first comment on this thread since it obviously has your jimmies rustled.

My grandfather & father both were naval aviators. Now that doesn't make me an expert since I'm not but I grew up around aviation & thousands of aviators.

At an airshow at the Norfolk Naval Base back in 1990 I got to meet some Blue Angels. I personally asked one what the hardest manuever to perform was. He said "flying upside down" I asked why

He said: "Sometimes pilots forget they're flying upside down"
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I'm no flying expert, but if you take a look at the video starting at about 30 seconds, you can see he's having trouble with his rudder. The tail is wanting to veer to your right(his left), which is robbing the plane of lift, as he has his aileron deployed on the right wing, to drop that wing and rotate the plane. You can see how this is keeping him from yawing his machine into a straight direction, making it look like he is "flying sideways." this is called "crossed controls," and robs an airplane of lift. I use it all the time when I am coming in too high and fast. Thus, I think he lost rudder control.
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You can also see in the slowed down video the rudder is fixed and rotated to the left as he crashes into the ground.
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He got too low for the stunt and panicked. It sounded like he also tried to pull out while inverted. The line of thrust (inverted) pulling him further towards the ground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42097912


That moment where he drifted too low is what interests me. It looks like he was not flying at all, till you see the tail twitch. Thus my "loss of consciousness" theory.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Yes Hi zenobiaphobia, I just wonder why loss of consciousness he's flown upside down in so many airshows. It seems plausible though.

I'm too wondering if it has to do with the dizzy and falling unconscious treads this week. There have been more than normal.
 Quoting: LIL' ANGEL


Like those freakish trends when everybody on the news starts to speak in tongues?




Being a stunt pilot can put a lot of strain on the arteries and veins because of the changes in pressure they experience. This may put them at greater risk of a stroke or heart issue.




[link to avstop.com]


(1) Little is known about the effects of high -Gz on humans because -Gz accelerations have caused considerable discomfort in those studied. Aerobatic pilots have reported small hemorrhages in the eyes and skin. Harold Krier, an accomplished aerobatic pilot, wrote that if he got a pain in the top of his head while pulling -G's, he eased off on the controls to reduce the G loading.


(2) The blood vessels in the brain tolerate mild -Gz stresses well, but the increased blood pressure in the chest and neck causes a slowing of the heart in virtually all subjects. In a few individuals, there is such a marked slowing of the heart that there are intervals of several seconds between beats. In some people, the heart may beat irregularly after -Gz exposure. The slowing of the heart and irregularities of beats can add to the stagnation of blood in the brain. Thus, it appears that the greatest threat from -Gz is the loss of consciousness from the slowing of the heart, irregularities of the heartbeats, and stagnation of blood in the head.

 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Yes exactly! Seems to come in groupings like the tongues reporters.

And we have the super duper moon tonight?

Know doubt the Gz are very stressful on the human body great info posted!

Today I saw a bicyclist wreck and runner fall. Both separate incidents and very unusual to witness!
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I'm no flying expert, but if you take a look at the video starting at about 30 seconds, you can see he's having trouble with his rudder. The tail is wanting to veer to your right(his left), which is robbing the plane of lift, as he has his aileron deployed on the right wing, to drop that wing and rotate the plane. You can see how this is keeping him from yawing his machine into a straight direction, making it look like he is "flying sideways." this is called "crossed controls," and robs an airplane of lift. I use it all the time when I am coming in too high and fast. Thus, I think he lost rudder control.
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I also noticed smoke coming out from the canopy as he rolled over. Not an engine person either, but something might have flown apart inside the engine and sheared his rudder cables.
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It looks like murder-suicide to me.
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Shut the fuck up and show some respect....
 Quoting: CHL2T


Im being serious. He deliberately turned into the ground.

There was nothing accidental, weather-related, or mechanical about that movement.
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It was also my tought after watching it few time.
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its still here

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Jane Wicker began her flying career after taking a scenic ride with a friend in 1988 realizing the sky was where she belonged. She received her pilot’s certificate in ’89 and continued to obtain her Instrument rating, Commercial certificate, Multi-engine Instrument and Multi-engine Commercial ratings while working full time. Also in ’89 was when she knew it was in fact the call of aviation aerobatics that was her passion.

She acquired her first wing walking role in the Flying Circus where she became the primary attraction of the act for 12 years. After this act, Jane and her former husband created “Beauty and the Beast Wing Walking” which they performed together for a number of years. She took a break from wingwalking for a while until 2010 when she purchased Aurora and returned to the skies. Jane not only is a wingwalker but also an aerobatic pilot and is one of just a few wingwalkers in the world who transitions across the wings without the assistance of safety lines.

The aircraft that Jane performs with is named Aurora. She is a beautiful 1941 450 HP Boeing Stearman that was meticulously restored from ground up and has been used by Jane since June of 2010. This is truly a one of a kind aircraft not only due to the authentic paint design but also the many modifications she has like an inverted fuel and oil system, an extra flying wire, all new control bearings and many more. With a fuel injected Pratt & Whitney R-985 450 Horse Power Radial engine and customized dual stack exhausts, creating breathtaking smoke trails, and the unmatched roar of the 450 propellers it is sure to be a plane that excites the crowd.

Nowhere else can you see wing walking done like it was back during the Golden Age of Aviation. Spectators will be introduced to Jane as she begins her act of climbing and walking on the impressive 450 HP Stearman at show center. Jane shows off her impressive daring feats between and on the wings as the Stearman performs its aerobatic maneuvers. Once they have landed, to conclude her performance, the plane will taxi up and greet the crowd.

Jane’s dream is to share with everyone some insight as to what airshow performers did back in the 20’s and 30’s to thrill crowds in the early stages of aviation. Check out her website to learn more details and fascinating information about Jane Wicker!
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it never fails, there's always some sort of tragedy at these air shows.
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Yeah maybe we should just bane air shows?
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Sorry, engine cowling, not canopy...lol
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Why didn't he stay inverted and increase his throttle? He realized he was too low and tried to roll back over it looks like, but he could have still gained altitude while inverted if he had just stayed that way and increased his throttle.
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Well, now you say something.
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anyone wanna talk about the masons and how they know the future, and how this announcer talks about her 'going away' and >gulps< right before they eat it.


masonic sign... watch, its kinda like the cops pointing at the bomb right before it explodes at the boston marathon...

real!
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I told ya'll that Zakk knows whereof he speaks. The man is on it. Way to go, Zakk.
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Anyways, smoke flash from the engine cowling, followed by loos of rudder control, followed by loss of lift and death while inverted. Looks like something failed and sheared his rudder cable.
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Lets see, a pilot flying dangerously low, with the intention of a person walking out onto a wing and possibly being ripped of at any moment, crashes, bursts into a ball of flame, for absolutely no point but the sheet entertainment of people while others starve in the world.

And this is pinned why?
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How awful!

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The pilot knew he was in trouble, never fully inverts the plane. Then he tries to come back around the same way without gaining some altitude first. He may have been concerned that trying to gain some altitude while inverted would have thrown the the wing walker from the plane.

Dangerous business.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy




Yep could see it in the first seconds of the roll something was wrong.

He thought he was going down in the crowd, he made sure that did not happen.
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