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BREAKING: Snowden Currently On a Flight To Russia

 
WinterWx

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So this morning i get up and see my friends and family saying rot in hell Snowden! You traitor! Etc.

Wtf? What angle are they viewing this from? They are mostly conservatives but a few libs. He's not a traitor hes a whistleblower. The difference is he revealed what the govt was doing TO US. He seeks asylum because now those he exposed want to hurt him. Running away is the only option.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41941507


to be honest...HE IS A TRAITOR.
simply because the government trusted him doing his JOB which he got paid for.
sure...spying on the world is a sign of distrust to the entire planet showing the current us government either is scared as hell in wake of terrorism OR just wants to be the number one STALKER ORGANISATION IN THE WORLD.
that is one thing but becomming a criminal to uncover criminals is another.
btw...howcome noone accuses the us government to be traitor, too?
sue them for a billion tons of gold and the gdp of the next 1000 years and they wont ever do this again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


We are living in different times. 30 or 40 years ago I would have called him a traitor. Today...no. It is the US government who are the traitors against the people and the US constitution. It was good that he did what he did. Someone needs to do something to bring this government to their knees.
 Quoting: katballoo


He and/or his supporters will not be tried based on your opinion. There will be a judge who makes the call.

Any American who calls for someone to bring this govt to their knees is considered a dissident.

If it happens, Americans will be whining that it happened. It would create chaos and disruption in services. Bet on it. Americans would condemn the group who brought it on. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


I'm pretty sure another group of Americans were not happy with the George III dissenters, either.

Oh well.
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you guys have to see the other side.

now that this huge spyoperation is unveiled what do you think will terrorist(if they exist) do?
avoid the internet?
avoid phones?
find other solutions?

PROBABLY!

so if there is a threat of terrorism......

it will get much harder to cover them after snowden spoke out.
i bet he didnt think about this when he decided to talk.

we all do not know for sure which threats are out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


How will they do it? Go back to their caves?
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I mean this cat snowmen must know something major, why is the US after him knowing how bad and ugly it's making them look. 75% of US supports him and over 95% of the world supports him. He must know something very big
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 463662


The fact that NSA and UK's GCHQ wiretapped all phonecalls and e-mails of all politicians is BIG.

And maybe we Greek might learn if it was indeed NSA and GCHQ who, through Vodafone's Greek IT infrastructure, wiretapped former Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis from 2004 till 2008
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek


What if Russia SORM is part of the GCHQ and NSA programs and they just pretend it's all seprate from the NATO countries? wtf
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GREAT....bon vOyage!! Thanks Putin for showing Obama where to shove NSA.
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GREAT....bon vOyage!! Thanks Putin for showing Obama where to shove NSA.
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Obama shouldn't have made that crack on the hot mic about dealing with Putin after the 2012 election.
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What if Russia SORM is part of the GCHQ and NSA programs and they just pretend it's all seprate from the NATO countries? wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


Doubt about it. USSR was dissolved in 1991, but the "Iron Curtain" remains as is. See Litvienko's poisoning...
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So this morning i get up and see my friends and family saying rot in hell Snowden! You traitor! Etc.

Wtf? What angle are they viewing this from? They are mostly conservatives but a few libs. He's not a traitor hes a whistleblower. The difference is he revealed what the govt was doing TO US. He seeks asylum because now those he exposed want to hurt him. Running away is the only option.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41941507


to be honest...HE IS A TRAITOR.
simply because the government trusted him doing his JOB which he got paid for.
sure...spying on the world is a sign of distrust to the entire planet showing the current us government either is scared as hell in wake of terrorism OR just wants to be the number one STALKER ORGANISATION IN THE WORLD.
that is one thing but becomming a criminal to uncover criminals is another.
btw...howcome noone accuses the us government to be traitor, too?
sue them for a billion tons of gold and the gdp of the next 1000 years and they wont ever do this again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


You're talking absolute bollocks. The government is treacherous, the state does NOT look after you. It looks after itself. Would you like it if someone cam into your house, looked through you letters, looked through your draws, checked your pockets. I hope your answer is NO, if your answer is YES then you won't mind coming round to your house and having a root, well let me tell you that is what the American government is doing to every citizen, every person who it deems to be a "terrorist" right now. Good on Edward Snowdon it's about time this world knew what our so elected politicians are doing to us. Time to stand up the the NWO.
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you guys have to see the other side.

now that this huge spyoperation is unveiled what do you think will terrorist(if they exist) do?
avoid the internet?
avoid phones?
find other solutions?

PROBABLY!

so if there is a threat of terrorism......

it will get much harder to cover them after snowden spoke out.
i bet he didnt think about this when he decided to talk.

we all do not know for sure which threats are out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


Yes he thought about it. He mentioned it in an interview, for the average American, getting killed by a terrorist was hightly unlikely.
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you guys have to see the other side.

now that this huge spyoperation is unveiled what do you think will terrorist(if they exist) do?
avoid the internet?
avoid phones?
find other solutions?

PROBABLY!

so if there is a threat of terrorism......

it will get much harder to cover them after snowden spoke out.
i bet he didnt think about this when he decided to talk.

we all do not know for sure which threats are out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


How will they do it? Go back to their caves?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41079971


that is not the point.
i dont care how they will do it but im sure THEY WILL FIND A WAY just as humans finds WORKAROUNDS AND SOLUTIONS everytime they stumble upon a problem.
that is what humans are specialized in!
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So this morning i get up and see my friends and family saying rot in hell Snowden! You traitor! Etc.

Wtf? What angle are they viewing this from? They are mostly conservatives but a few libs. He's not a traitor hes a whistleblower. The difference is he revealed what the govt was doing TO US. He seeks asylum because now those he exposed want to hurt him. Running away is the only option.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41941507


to be honest...HE IS A TRAITOR.
simply because the government trusted him doing his JOB which he got paid for.
sure...spying on the world is a sign of distrust to the entire planet showing the current us government either is scared as hell in wake of terrorism OR just wants to be the number one STALKER ORGANISATION IN THE WORLD.
that is one thing but becomming a criminal to uncover criminals is another.
btw...howcome noone accuses the us government to be traitor, too?
sue them for a billion tons of gold and the gdp of the next 1000 years and they wont ever do this again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


We are living in different times. 30 or 40 years ago I would have called him a traitor. Today...no. It is the US government who are the traitors against the people and the US constitution. It was good that he did what he did. Someone needs to do something to bring this government to their knees.
 Quoting: katballoo


He and/or his supporters will not be tried based on your opinion. There will be a judge who makes the call.

Any American who calls for someone to bring this govt to their knees is considered a dissident.

If it happens, Americans will be whining that it happened. It would create chaos and disruption in services. Bet on it. Americans would condemn the group who brought it on. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


Yep, there will be a judge who makes the call. A judge who is controlled by the Government. There is no fairness in American anymore. The gov will get what they want, no matter what. And yes...this government needs to be brought down. Let them come and get me.

SOME Americans will be whining, but they are whining no matter what happens. They are the brain dead sheep. Maybe it will actually wake them up, if they aren't too far gone from all the GMO's and fluoride they have been consuming.
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you guys have to see the other side.

now that this huge spyoperation is unveiled what do you think will terrorist(if they exist) do?
avoid the internet?
avoid phones?
find other solutions?

PROBABLY!

so if there is a threat of terrorism......

it will get much harder to cover them after snowden spoke out.
i bet he didnt think about this when he decided to talk.

we all do not know for sure which threats are out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


How will they do it? Go back to their caves?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41079971


that is not the point.
i dont care how they will do it but im sure THEY WILL FIND A WAY just as humans finds WORKAROUNDS AND SOLUTIONS everytime they stumble upon a problem.
that is what humans are specialized in!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


And that justifies spying on every American? Okay.
WinterWx
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you guys have to see the other side.

now that this huge spyoperation is unveiled what do you think will terrorist(if they exist) do?
avoid the internet?
avoid phones?
find other solutions?

PROBABLY!

so if there is a threat of terrorism......

it will get much harder to cover them after snowden spoke out.
i bet he didnt think about this when he decided to talk.

we all do not know for sure which threats are out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


Most of the more sophisticated terrorist cells, groups and organizations have all changed communications methods to avoid this long ago...

You're looking at the NSA and other agencies too narrowly.

There was, and is much more going on here than just national security and counterterrorism.... They are terrified of being completely exposed. Especially the agencies, top officials and agents loyal to the administration.
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So this morning i get up and see my friends and family saying rot in hell Snowden! You traitor! Etc.

Wtf? What angle are they viewing this from? They are mostly conservatives but a few libs. He's not a traitor hes a whistleblower. The difference is he revealed what the govt was doing TO US. He seeks asylum because now those he exposed want to hurt him. Running away is the only option.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41941507


to be honest...HE IS A TRAITOR.
simply because the government trusted him doing his JOB which he got paid for.
sure...spying on the world is a sign of distrust to the entire planet showing the current us government either is scared as hell in wake of terrorism OR just wants to be the number one STALKER ORGANISATION IN THE WORLD.
that is one thing but becomming a criminal to uncover criminals is another.
btw...howcome noone accuses the us government to be traitor, too?
sue them for a billion tons of gold and the gdp of the next 1000 years and they wont ever do this again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


You're talking absolute bollocks. The government is treacherous, the state does NOT look after you. It looks after itself. Would you like it if someone cam into your house, looked through you letters, looked through your draws, checked your pockets. I hope your answer is NO, if your answer is YES then you won't mind coming round to your house and having a root, well let me tell you that is what the American government is doing to every citizen, every person who it deems to be a "terrorist" right now. Good on Edward Snowdon it's about time this world knew what our so elected politicians are doing to us. Time to stand up the the NWO.
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Through the legal system, not through people's opinion of how it is supposed to be interpreted.

Senators said that PRISM was legal. It is legal because Mitch McConnel worked on the definition of electronic surveillance to make it legal.

This will be worked out according to how the courts interpret the law and the Constitution.

Have you ever seen a ruling you disagreed with? Well you might get to see another one, before this is over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


4th Amendment Text
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


Article 3, section 3, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy is an element in the crime of Treason. Aid and comfort may consist of substantial assistance or the mere attempt to provide some support; actual help or the success of the enterprise is not relevant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


On a different note: Al Qaeda and the Taliban are enemies, yet the US government is supplying them with arms and intel and training, which is high treason. And illegal according to International Law, against the Geneva Convention.
Supplying non governmental groups with arms is against the law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42176746



Bingo!!scheming

The West no longer has credibility or authority on the issue of Terrorism and Treason given that the West is currently a state-sponsor of Terrorism via the "Syrian Rebels"(who are neither Syrian nor Rebels).
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you guys have to see the other side.

now that this huge spyoperation is unveiled what do you think will terrorist(if they exist) do?
avoid the internet?
avoid phones?
find other solutions?

PROBABLY!

so if there is a threat of terrorism......

it will get much harder to cover them after snowden spoke out.
i bet he didnt think about this when he decided to talk.

we all do not know for sure which threats are out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


The terrorists IS the government.
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So this morning i get up and see my friends and family saying rot in hell Snowden! You traitor! Etc.

Wtf? What angle are they viewing this from? They are mostly conservatives but a few libs. He's not a traitor hes a whistleblower. The difference is he revealed what the govt was doing TO US. He seeks asylum because now those he exposed want to hurt him. Running away is the only option.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41941507


ABSOLUTELY! This man is a hero. He sacrificed everything to bring the truth to the American public and they're too blind to see. It's so sad that so much of the American pubic is too involved in sports and television fluff that when true drama plays out, they support the home team without ever looking at the players. The players don't represent your home team because they have a foreign agenda no matter what colors they choose to wear.
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4th Amendment Text
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


Article 3, section 3, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy is an element in the crime of Treason. Aid and comfort may consist of substantial assistance or the mere attempt to provide some support; actual help or the success of the enterprise is not relevant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


On a different note: Al Qaeda and the Taliban are enemies, yet the US government is supplying them with arms and intel and training, which is high treason. And illegal according to International Law, against the Geneva Convention.
Supplying non governmental groups with arms is against the law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42176746



Bingo!!scheming

The West no longer has credibility or authority on the issue of Terrorism and Treason given that the West is currently a state-sponsor of Terrorism via the "Syrian Rebels"(who are neither Syrian nor Rebels).
 Quoting: FreakObserver


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you guys have to see the other side.

now that this huge spyoperation is unveiled what do you think will terrorist(if they exist) do?
avoid the internet?
avoid phones?
find other solutions?

PROBABLY!

so if there is a threat of terrorism......

it will get much harder to cover them after snowden spoke out.
i bet he didnt think about this when he decided to talk.

we all do not know for sure which threats are out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42041786


.... threat?

Think. You're all terrorists now...

War on terror? People thought it was all about what the media portrayed. No. It was a smart way to say, we are going to label you all who are not with us... the few.. the real terrorists. With Obama racism is a thing of the past. Terrorism, beware.
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RTA just reported that in an interview today with the earlier NSA whistleblower, NSA tapped Obama's communications back when he was running for senate. This is getting even weirder now.
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RTA just reported that in an interview today with the earlier NSA whistleblower, NSA tapped Obama's communications back when he was running for senate. This is getting even weirder now.
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What people haven't fully realized is that all of this information the NSA is vacuuming up can be used to influence, bribe and blackmail politicians.
WinterWx
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Still waiting to hear something everyone didn't know already. The guy is a spy.
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"In the summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a forty-some-year-old senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives now would you? It's a big White House in Washington D.C. That's who the NSA went after. That's the President of the United States now."

Tice added that he also saw orders to spy on Hillary Clinton, Senators John McCain and Diane Feinstein, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Gen. David Petraeus, and a current Supreme Court Justice.



Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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RTA just reported that in an interview today with the earlier NSA whistleblower, NSA tapped Obama's communications back when he was running for senate. This is getting even weirder now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42185972


What people haven't fully realized is that all of this information the NSA is vacuuming up can be used to influence, bribe and blackmail politicians.
 Quoting: WinterWx


You think that is only exclusive to politicians?

No one is exempt... No one.
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wooooooooo hoooooooooooo, I hope its true... Godspeed Snowden.....
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Yep, I hope to stays safe.
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"In the summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a forty-some-year-old senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives now would you? It's a big White House in Washington D.C. That's who the NSA went after. That's the President of the United States now."

Tice added that he also saw orders to spy on Hillary Clinton, Senators John McCain and Diane Feinstein, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Gen. David Petraeus, and a current Supreme Court Justice.



Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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Ohhhh, this is getting wery wery interesting...rockonrockon
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RTA just reported that in an interview today with the earlier NSA whistleblower, NSA tapped Obama's communications back when he was running for senate. This is getting even weirder now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42185972


What people haven't fully realized is that all of this information the NSA is vacuuming up can be used to influence, bribe and blackmail politicians.
 Quoting: WinterWx


You think that is only exclusive to politicians?

No one is exempt... No one.
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Oh, I agree with you fully.
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Personally, I'd feel better if Obama were the one fleeing to Russia, or wherever, instead of Snowden. Obama along with his henchmen at the IRS, etc.

How far we in the USA have sunk.






















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thid sicussion could go on forever since we do not know all the facts.

there could be terrorist, or not.
it could be the govt. wants to ensure the system safety, or the safety of its people.

bin ladens 911 was AN INCREDIBLE VICTORY FOR HIM.

WHY?

he has destoryed trust and confidence among the entire world.
against governments, eachother, other religions, people with different opinions.

he has won and probably LAUGHS HIS ASS OFF FROM WHWEREVER HE MAY BE RIGHT NOW.
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RTA just reported that in an interview today with the earlier NSA whistleblower, NSA tapped Obama's communications back when he was running for senate. This is getting even weirder now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42185972


What people haven't fully realized is that all of this information the NSA is vacuuming up can be used to influence, bribe and blackmail politicians.
 Quoting: WinterWx


Maybe Snowden has some of this kind of material. Compiled cover-ups, he would of pulled out alot, everything he could get picked upon information priority/value. He was going to whistle years ago. In his situation you have to know where you're going, and have the upperhand by planning and doing it right the first time!

Heck, maybe it's leading into the biggest false flag yet. Although, I want to believe he is genuine.
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