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the stupidity of the sheeple
on this site, never ceases
to amaze me.
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It is indeed mind boggling! They believe the same news media that covered the truth about 9/11? Amazing!

Snowden is a psyop. Thread: US on PRISM: "Sorry, we are spying on you! Outraged? Wonder why all this is necessary? Dont worry, we'll justify this soon!"

The events transpiring now or at least portrayed to be transpiring is to give the sheeple reasons and to create realities in their minds why the next military engagement of the USA with China and Russia will be bloody beyond measure. You lot are under a spell! You will all expect this engagement due to these stories which may or may not be true, to be bloody which is precisely the outcome of all of these propaganda! Your thoughts create your reality.
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The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts. Reality is, supporting a self professed leaker of govt intelligence is legally considered "aid and comfort" to a traitor.

The US Constitution plainly states it's a crime and all they need is two witnesses. I think the Snowden's videos cover the two witnesses.
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He's not been charged with treason though. He's charged with espionage and theft.
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Isn't there something in the American Constitution about giving "aid and comfort" to a traitor?

Just because you don't like how they interpret the 4th amendment, doesn't mean they can't interpret the aid and comforting a traitor part better.
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It is obvious you are a Johnny Come Lately to this entire discussion about surveillance. Snowden hasn't really revealed anything that hasn't already been claimed by other whistleblowers. Operational capability hasn't been harmed by Snowden. All he's done is provided the ACLU 'standing' since the ACLU is a Verizon Wireless customer. That wasn't by accident, I don't think.

You appear to be of the mind that a cop can't chase a criminal the wrong way down a one-way road. Even in hot-pursuit. You're trapped in a box, and unable to think outside of it. It cannot be a crime to expose crime. That's an asinine position.

Clapper PERJURED himself to the Senate Oversight Committee. At that moment he became a rogue agent running a rogue program.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3264109


The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


You mean the secret courts.
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Snowden was traveling with someone called Harrison.

But is he in A White Bronco?
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Isn't there something in the American Constitution about giving "aid and comfort" to a traitor?

Just because you don't like how they interpret the 4th amendment, doesn't mean they can't interpret the aid and comforting a traitor part better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


It is obvious you are a Johnny Come Lately to this entire discussion about surveillance. Snowden hasn't really revealed anything that hasn't already been claimed by other whistleblowers. Operational capability hasn't been harmed by Snowden. All he's done is provided the ACLU 'standing' since the ACLU is a Verizon Wireless customer. That wasn't by accident, I don't think.

You appear to be of the mind that a cop can't chase a criminal the wrong way down a one-way road. Even in hot-pursuit. You're trapped in a box, and unable to think outside of it. It cannot be a crime to expose crime. That's an asinine position.

Clapper PERJURED himself to the Senate Oversight Committee. At that moment he became a rogue agent running a rogue program.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3264109


Maybe someone should suggest the Judicial Watch shyster sue him for perjury. You know the guy who sued his own mother, Larry something or other.

Seriously, if this Clapper guy did this, then he needs to be charged. After all they got Bubba for lying about a BJ.
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It's odd that people around here still don't understand the worlds a stage.. And countries going "against each other" is an elite ploy.. They created the countries remember.
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It's amazing they don't get it.

Thread: US on PRISM: "Sorry, we are spying on you! Outraged? Wonder why all this is necessary? Dont worry, we'll justify this soon!"

Really a sad day for humanity if this forum is a cross section of the awake in humanity collective. They are all lost. No critical reasoning, knee jerk reactions.....really sad.
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The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts. Reality is, supporting a self professed leaker of govt intelligence is legally considered "aid and comfort" to a traitor.

The US Constitution plainly states it's a crime and all they need is two witnesses. I think the Snowden's videos cover the two witnesses.
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He's not been charged with treason though. He's charged with espionage and theft.
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Charges can be added.
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The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts. Reality is, supporting a self professed leaker of govt intelligence is legally considered "aid and comfort" to a traitor.

The US Constitution plainly states it's a crime and all they need is two witnesses. I think the Snowden's videos cover the two witnesses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


He's not been charged with treason though. He's charged with espionage and theft.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


Charges can be added.
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Indeed, but will they?
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Isn't there something in the American Constitution about giving "aid and comfort" to a traitor?

Just because you don't like how they interpret the 4th amendment, doesn't mean they can't interpret the aid and comforting a traitor part better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


It is obvious you are a Johnny Come Lately to this entire discussion about surveillance. Snowden hasn't really revealed anything that hasn't already been claimed by other whistleblowers. Operational capability hasn't been harmed by Snowden. All he's done is provided the ACLU 'standing' since the ACLU is a Verizon Wireless customer. That wasn't by accident, I don't think.

You appear to be of the mind that a cop can't chase a criminal the wrong way down a one-way road. Even in hot-pursuit. You're trapped in a box, and unable to think outside of it. It cannot be a crime to expose crime. That's an asinine position.

Clapper PERJURED himself to the Senate Oversight Committee. At that moment he became a rogue agent running a rogue program.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3264109


The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


You mean the secret courts.
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No I mean the legal courts. You mean to imply there is a secret court.
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The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts. Reality is, supporting a self professed leaker of govt intelligence is legally considered "aid and comfort" to a traitor.

The US Constitution plainly states it's a crime and all they need is two witnesses. I think the Snowden's videos cover the two witnesses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


He's not been charged with treason though. He's charged with espionage and theft.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


Charges can be added.
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Indeed, but will they?
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


We'll see.
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After reading this thread and other sites even mainstream ones I don't think they could ever bring this kid to trial in America. More than half seem to support him. I think the public would hit the streets for him in huge numbers. I still don't know what to think of this guy[hero or villain} but boy has he struck a nerve. Even the media isn't all on the same page..this morning half are tearing him apart and some are cheering him on.
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The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts. Reality is, supporting a self professed leaker of govt intelligence is legally considered "aid and comfort" to a traitor.

The US Constitution plainly states it's a crime and all they need is two witnesses. I think the Snowden's videos cover the two witnesses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


He's not been charged with treason though. He's charged with espionage and theft.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


Ok so I just heard this on CNN.

They are mad that he spilled the beans on the gov't spying on our emails and phone records.....isn't what he did well....

honorable?

If he is "in the know" and he sees shady ish going down, it's a GOOD THING that he would say and declare to the world that SOMETHING IN THE MILK ISN'T CLEAN.

Informing us that crooks are up to not good should be applauded. Americans do have a right to privacy.....especially if no suspicion is created. Tapping our phone calls, monitoring our records and scanning our emails is downright dirty. If they say he's they guy that told us that's what they're up to...then they are just trying to save face by looking for him....what did he do that was wrong?
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RT breaking /// Snowden already in Moscow///
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It is obvious you are a Johnny Come Lately to this entire discussion about surveillance. Snowden hasn't really revealed anything that hasn't already been claimed by other whistleblowers. Operational capability hasn't been harmed by Snowden. All he's done is provided the ACLU 'standing' since the ACLU is a Verizon Wireless customer. That wasn't by accident, I don't think.

You appear to be of the mind that a cop can't chase a criminal the wrong way down a one-way road. Even in hot-pursuit. You're trapped in a box, and unable to think outside of it. It cannot be a crime to expose crime. That's an asinine position.

Clapper PERJURED himself to the Senate Oversight Committee. At that moment he became a rogue agent running a rogue program.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3264109


The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


You mean the secret courts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42177325


No I mean the legal courts. You mean to imply there is a secret court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


PRISM: NSA Confirms It's Spying, Using Secret Courts -- But It's All For Your Own Good

[link to hothardware.com]

Secret courts are secret
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The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts. Reality is, supporting a self professed leaker of govt intelligence is legally considered "aid and comfort" to a traitor.

The US Constitution plainly states it's a crime and all they need is two witnesses. I think the Snowden's videos cover the two witnesses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


I know I don't have any say. But I do have the 1st amendment right to express my opinion on the matter. My credentials include a degree in philosophy with 4 semesters of logic and critical thinking classes. I am quite equipped to argue this out logically and from a Constitutional standpoint.

There is absolutely NOTHING in the US Constitution that says that the Government has the right to lie to the people or to Senate Oversight Committees. NOTHING. Clapper is a rogue agent from a legal point of view when he perjured himself. An uninformed Congress cannot properly be said to have given consent -- no matter what some of them say.

Snowden's only crime is that of having embarrassed this administration, and forcing democrats and progressives to defend the indefensible. Neither of which is really a crime.

As I said before, nothing Snowden has revealed can be properly considered 'aid', because it was already known and discussed by other whistleblowers. It had even gone to the Courts, but was thrown out for lack of standing. All Snowden has done is provide that almighty 'standing' by providing actual actionable proof. As for 'comfort' -- you don't seem to know how that has been described in the past. He's not taking in enemy soldiers, giving them a warm bed to sleep in, etc. So really, get real...
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After reading this thread and other sites even mainstream ones I don't think they could ever bring this kid to trial in America. More than half seem to support him. I think the public would hit the streets for him in huge numbers. I still don't know what to think of this guy[hero or villain} but boy has he struck a nerve. Even the media isn't all on the same page..this morning half are tearing him apart and some are cheering him on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41862433


The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts. Reality is, supporting a self professed leaker of govt intelligence is legally considered "aid and comfort" to a traitor.

The US Constitution plainly states it's a crime and all they need is two witnesses. I think the Snowden's videos cover the two witnesses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


He's not been charged with treason though. He's charged with espionage and theft.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


Ok so I just heard this on CNN.

They are mad that he spilled the beans on the gov't spying on our emails and phone records.....isn't what he did well....

honorable?

If he is "in the know" and he sees shady ish going down, it's a GOOD THING that he would say and declare to the world that SOMETHING IN THE MILK ISN'T CLEAN.

Informing us that crooks are up to not good should be applauded. Americans do have a right to privacy.....especially if no suspicion is created. Tapping our phone calls, monitoring our records and scanning our emails is downright dirty. If they say he's they guy that told us that's what they're up to...then they are just trying to save face by looking for him....what did he do that was wrong?
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I suggest you contact your senator and ask him, since most of them voted for this and many have said he should be prosecuted for treason.
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What if Obama knew of the leak, and helped Snowden in a covert way, expossing the " secret government", for which JFK paid the highest price
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Does anyone really believe Snowden didn't have some idea of what he would be doing before he took that job?

So if he knew was it all preplanned to get the dirt and release it?
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What if Obama knew of the leak, and helped Snowden in a covert way, expossing the " secret government", for which JFK paid the highest price
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What if it is a set up for Russia and China to be fed disinfo?
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God bless and God speed, Snowden.
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What if Obama knew of the leak, and helped Snowden in a covert way, expossing the " secret government", for which JFK paid the highest price
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Still amazing how many people in Europe are thinking Obama is somehow the good guy. Must be because he's black.
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What if Obama knew of the leak, and helped Snowden in a covert way, expossing the " secret government", for which JFK paid the highest price
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What if it is a set up for Russia and China to be fed disinfo?
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If this is the case it's not good work. It brings a lot of fallout in your own society.
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The US legal system will determine if Snowden committed a crime. Congress people have stated on the news the monitoring was legal.

Reality is, you have no say in Snowden's charges or Clapper's. It's up to the courts....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


You mean the secret courts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42177325


No I mean the legal courts. You mean to imply there is a secret court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


PRISM: NSA Confirms It's Spying, Using Secret Courts -- But It's All For Your Own Good

[link to hothardware.com]

Secret courts are secret
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Okay, but a MSM link would be a better source for proof that is the official word on it.
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No I mean the legal courts. You mean to imply there is a secret court.
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We have an adversarial legal system. It is a secret court for the simple fact that the government represents its interests before the judge, but there is no advocate defending the people. The decisions are secret. In legal parlance, that is considered a secret court.
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expect more exposure
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What if Obama knew of the leak, and helped Snowden in a covert way, expossing the " secret government", for which JFK paid the highest price
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What if it is a set up for Russia and China to be fed disinfo?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


If this is the case it's not good work. It brings a lot of fallout in your own society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42177325


There is already an intentional push for fall out in our society. Watch Fox News and then MSNBC news. They have one objective, to stir fear, hate and judgement. They don't care who you fear, hate and judge, anyone will do.

Division of the people.
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This is a far different time from the days of the "cold" war.
Most Americans completely distrust their government.
Many have utter contempt for the petty tyrants in the
District of Criminls (Can you tell I'm one of them?)

For the past few decades America has plunged headlong
from a great nation, to an evil empire.

When the Constitution became a relic of the past that
could be ignored, or twisted to suit the new paradigm,
our fate was sealed.
Tyrants do what tyrants have ALWAYS done.
They don't teach history in school anymore
so the younger generations never saw it coming.

The Federal Government is completely morally bankrupt,
and financial bankruptcy ALWAYS follows moral bankruptcy.

In a few years, if we last that long, you will not even
recognize America anymore.
There is no turning back. We've past the point of no
return.

Take care of your families and shield them as best you
can from the chaos that is shortly to ensue.

Buy food, secure water, buy guns, buy plenty of ammo,
and learn how to use them.
Become the best marksman you can be.

Get some Army manuals (they are free on the internet)
and learn how to be an effective guerilla fighter.
Your survival and your families survival will depend
on YOUR SKILLS!

If you live in a major metropolitan area,
God help you.
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That's exactly what ran through my mind as I read this thread. Godspeed, Mr. Snowden.

Interesting how history is repeating but In a topsy turvy way.
There was a time when russians were defecting to west. Western nations were proud to offer so called sancuary to defectors.
How everything has changed around. Who would have thought that one day americans would be running away to russia in fear of oppressors and dictators.
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You mean the secret courts.
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No I mean the legal courts. You mean to imply there is a secret court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42095518


PRISM: NSA Confirms It's Spying, Using Secret Courts -- But It's All For Your Own Good

[link to hothardware.com]

Secret courts are secret
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Okay, but a MSM link would be a better source for proof that is the official word on it.
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Huuum

The judges who preside over America's secret court [link to news.yahoo.com]


Yahoo Was Reportedly Forced To Join PRISM By A Secret Court
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]


Revealed: Yahoo FOUGHT against NSA's warrantless spying program but lost and was forced by secret court to join PRISM
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

MSM enough or do you prefer the words from "Pakistani Times" and "Times of India"?
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What if Obama knew of the leak, and helped Snowden in a covert way, expossing the " secret government", for which JFK paid the highest price
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Still amazing how many people in Europe are thinking Obama is somehow the good guy. Must be because he's black.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42177325


It has nothing to do with race. No one bites the hand that feeds them. Obama is the president of the country obsessed with consumerism. Money talks.

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