There is no HELL ...

Salt, you seem to believe that hell is only reserved for satan and demons, correct?

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

You perhaps cannot imagine the things that I imagine, but I can assure you, hell and demons and all that sort do not exist in my imagination.

I was not the one explaining about a 'rank' system in heaven, you were - I was simply laughing at the idea. I mean, for what purpose are people ranked other than to divide them?

I wasn't insulting you, don't take it personally, but if you read the words again, doesn't it sound just a little funny?

reserved? no.
intended, yes.

According to the Catholic Church (the one, holy, and apostolic Church; the one founded by Christ rather than by protesting heretics) there is a real physical place called Hell. It exists now only in the spiritual realm but at the Last Judgement when everyone - including the damned - are given glorified bodies, Hell will take on a truly horrifying physical dimension. The Church, imitating Christ, teaches the reality of Hell but does not say if anyone ends up going there. It is quite possible that no one will go to Hell and that is what the Church prays, suffers and sacrifices for every day.

The real question is not is there a Hell but rather a question that Father Jose Antonio Fortea has answered: "Why did God not grant all the angels the Beatific Vision from the first moment of their creation? Why did He take the chance that some of them would rebel against Him and become demons?"

Father Fortea answers that:

"God could have created angelic spirits and immediately given them the grace of the Beatific Vision. This was perfectly possible for His omnipotence, and it would have been perfectly just to do so. But there were some powerful reasons for testing the angels before granting them the Beatific Vision.

First, God had to give to each rational being a degree of happiness. Everyone in heaven sees God, but no one can enjoy Him to an infinite degree; this is impossible for a finite being. Each finite creature enjoys to the fullest degree possible without wanting more. A common analogy used to understand this metaphysical concept is that of a glass: God fills each glass (i.e., soul) to the rim but each glass is a specific size based on its degree of glory.

God, in His wisdom, decided that each angel would determine its degree of glory for eternity by its response to a divine test. Each angel determined its degree of happiness by the degree of generosity, love, constancy, and other virtues it displayed in the test. A spirit can grow in its faith and in its generosity toward God before it sees Him. But once admitted to the Beatific Vision, no further growth is possible - there can no longer be growth in faith where there is vision. Above all, the period of testing offered the angels the opportunity to grow in the theological virtues, and some angels would grow more in the virtue of perseverance, others in humility, others in petition, etc.

Offering a being the possibility of faith also supposes the risk that in this same being evil may flourish instead of faith. God, by giving free will to the angels and human beings, knew that freedom, once bestowed, could be used for good or evil. Of course, God could have created the cosmos in any way he liked, without any restrictions or limits. But a saint is not created; one becomes a saint through the action of grace. The gift of freedom allows for a Hitler as well as a Blessed Teresa of Calcutta (Mother Teresa). Once the gift of freedom has been given, consequences—good or evil—flow from every act of the will. In the material cosmos there is no spiritual good; the good of the cosmos is purely physical. Spiritual (or moral) good is qualitatively superior but necessarily requires a free choice. Thus, the appearance of moral evil in no way upset God’s plan. The possibility of evil was already part of the divine plan before the creation of thinking beings.

Finally, the most important and powerful reason for God’s granting angels the gift of freedom was for them to love. God loves His creation, and He desires to be loved in return. But love requires receptivity—it must be received freely (CCC 1828). The same God who can create the cosmos with only an act of His will cannot create that love that is born and proven in the suffering of the faith. The love of God is not created; it must be freely given by a created being."

Also on the topic of Hell, Venerable Fulton Sheen wrote:

"When the egotist is given over to a reprobate mind and left alone, the Lord allows him the desire of his heart. He gets exactly what he wants - and yet he hates himself for wanting it. The sense of despair which the egotist feels is the beginning of his hell. So long as the egotist felt the tension between what he was doing and the feeling that it was wrong, there was hope. But when the tension has ceased, God seems, at least for the moment, to have left him alone, as he wished. But in truth God never abandons him until his final rejection of grace at death. The egoist in his false peace may flatly boast he has quite "outgrown" the thoughts of God and judgment and religion and that he will now enjoy his freedom. With this decision, he enters into that stage of evil of which Nietzsche boasted: "Evil, be thou my good." If he feels frustration, boredom, and despair, he refuses to see these things as the result of having already drunk too deeply from the cup of sin, but seeks to cure them by drinking its dregs. He may acknowledge his boredom - but he fancies that a greater boldness in evil will stimulate his interest in life. As time goes on, the heart of such an egotist becomes more callous, and the tender sensitiveness of his soul is dulled. Faults multiply to a point where, having ceased to fight against evil, he now begins to fight against God. Such is the psychological explanation of atheism in the modern world. For the new atheism is not like the old, theoretical atheism, which prided itself on being intellectually compounded of a little science, anthropology, and comparative religion. The new atheism is not of the intellect, but of the will; it is an act of free and eager rejection of morality and its demands. It starts with an affirmation of the self and the denial of the Moral Law. The new atheist does not "know there is no God," as he tells us. There is no one in the whole world who knows there is no God; but the modern atheist wishes there were no God...The fires of hell will be enkindled from within the self. The unhappiness, the misery, the self-torture that the egotist feels is already a self-burning; hell may be described as a place where the ego eternally burns in its own solitude...There is only one thing that the egotists have in common with one another in hell, and that is the hatred that they bear for one another. This hatred will be intensified there, because each egotist will see in the other that which he hates within himself...Love either cherishes or consumes; it draws us to heaven, or (if we flee from it) it delivers us to hell. For hell is not an experience that begins in the next life; it continues there, but it begins on earth. The despairing and the bored have already had their first knowledge of hell in the final stage of egotism enthroned."

Except the fact, it is you not God, who has a problem. He gave us freewill, hoping we would do the right thing. He sent his son, so you might live. That is you covering and your pardon.

You believe him, you don't want to sin, we all fall short, we are not with out sin and anyone who says we are sinless, because we are believers, is no talking the whole of it. We have to ask for forgiveness or we won't be covered of those sins. When we sin we know we sin and have to repent of them.

He is working on me, makes me like I should be, is right. Thank God for His Son or we could never get into heaven!

We are on trail! When we pass from this world our trail is over, then what we have done here, goes with us.

Make you choice, but don't blame God, he did it right. He knows more than we could ever know, so don't think he is a lair. He isn't man remember that, don't try to put the mind of man on him, it doesn't fit!

I don't know what people think of evil but I have seen more than my share. I don't want to see it when I pass from this world. I don't want to hear about, think about it and if it is that way with me. Just think how God feels about it.

It is not like he will forsake you, even unto death, he will be with you. Everyone has to leave this world but do you want to... get out alive! You sure can't buy your way out. You get it through Grace, Grace sets you free!

Day 5

The Knowing movie was bible symbolism

Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (11) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, (12) Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


This goes with this ...



Last Edited by Lamplite on 06/24/2013 01:39 AM

So are you admitting that humans (not satan or demons)can eventually go to hell?

If so, that completely negates what you said in your other thread you linked here.

Salt. Why do you have a picture of you right eye lit up.

That's clearly accult symbolism there.

for example look a this.

What a lotta catholic BULLSHIT!!

Remember..this crap comes from tards that ALSO beleive THIS...

...that THE most POWERFUL BEING in the universe(God HIMSELF)..pops up on planet earth once a week in millions of locations around the world..to be turned into a BISCUIT..which then gets turned into SHIT.

And they are told if they DONT beleive this..that this all POWERFUL biscuit/shit god is going to burn them alive forever.

negates how?

the illuminati puppets close the eye that i have light illuminating from

no occult here, my av is a message to the contrary
i am an illuminati/NWO researcher

The terms punishment and torture in the bible often come from the word kolasis, which means correction. To correct something. Make it pure.

Rob Bell in his recent book Love Wins refers to the use of the noun kolasis is a term from horticulture. It refers to the pruning and trimming of the branches of a plant so that it can flourish”. He then interprets the phrase eis kolasin to “mean ‘a period of pruning’ or ‘a time of trimming,’ or an intense experience of correction”

This would go with these verses in John.

John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. (2) Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. (3) Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
(4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. (5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. (6) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

I think Christians mistakenly think they will escape the fire and are except because they supposedly believe but the end of the world is about the harvest, it matters not if you believe or not. There is no punishment, if you are not right you will perish and not go on. Nobody goes to Hell.
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Last Edited by Lamplite on 06/24/2013 01:50 AM

From the first page of that thread you linked, you said
;well, let's put it this way. it takes as long as it takes. for some, purification will never happen because they refuse to let go of the evil in their nature. scripture tells us that hell is for Satan, the False Prophet, Demons and death. That whom Hell is designed for. But, some will not be purified. they wont let go.'

Revelation 20 states that the lake of fire was for ALL who fell short and did not repent in the name of Jesus.

You seem to be be indicating in that above post that people can somehow make it out of hell, that it is not eternal. I would be careful with such doctrine, especially when you dont/cant provide any direct scriptural support.

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Hell is eternal.

EVERYONE, including OP. WATCH THIS VIDEO

there are two places being discussed here
hades - the place were purification by divine fire takes place

and hell/eternal lake of fire - the place intended for satan, demons, false prophet, death, the beast.

revelation 20 in no way states that the lake of fire was for ALL who fell short and did not repent. where do you see that?

Hades will no longer be needed after every person is judged.

OP, if you dont mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

Besides preaching anti-Biblical doctrine.

Let me quote it again.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

yeah, there will be some people who will die the second death. scripture reveals that clearly. but, it will be a small population.

i already stated that a few times.

everlasting fire is a rough translation.
this is not to be confused with eternal or the "forever and ever" passages.

go back and read my thread about "the truth about hell"
it gives the proper usage of the word "everlasting"

165. aion ahee-ohn' from the same as 104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):--age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare 5550.

The word also refers to the "Messianic period" ... translational bias can throw these things off sometimes.

The word also has a contextual link to the work "kronos"

5550. chronos khron'-os of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from 2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from 165, which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay:--+ years old, season, space, (X often-)time(-s), (a) while.

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i beg to differ:

There is nothing temporary meant when Jesus said 'everlasting fire'. That is very clear.

I have read enough of your other thread to see that you think people somehow make it out of that lake of everlasting fire, and your above post confirms it. That is not something i would be dogmatic about, given the scripture that was just quoted to you.

No such state exists

:lookie here:

So says the Freemason shill.

You Freemasons certainly do have a hatred of the Eucharist which is most certainly Christ's Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity truly and really present under the appearance of Bread and Wine. That hatred is to be expected given the fact that 1. You worship Satan and 2. that your Masonic lodges are lacking windows making it hard for the natural light of day to enter and illuminate your ignorant minds.

Perhaps it would be better for your simple Freemason minds to think of the Eucharist as the ultimate drug. After all, you drug and sex-addicted Satanists are never going to find real happiness on the paths of Sin. You will only find death and despair. Perhaps you are simply jealous that the Catholics have the Real Presence in the Eucharist - the ultimate good which leads to a pleasure and peace that you wicked Freemasons have been justly denied.

Does this mean DOOM is off ?

Why wouldn't they? Isaiah 60 points out that the reason the gates of new Jerusalem never close is so that the kings and armies of the earth can be brought within.

first of all, Matthew 18:8 reads thus:

If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter eternal life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

it is the hands and feet that contain the sin. if it isn't removed, then the entire body goes to hell

King James version has twisted the greek word for age-lasting and ever-lasting numerous times in the NT.

the word "aianon" means "for an age, or an aeon"
it does not mean eternal.

so, be careful which passages use the greek word for aeon, or age (of undetermined amount of time) for the greek word that means "eternal"

I am NOT a freemason.

I cant stand those pricks because they are part of the NWO.

I hate anything to do with or connected with those pedophile bastards..and that includes the catholic church which IS run and owned BY the masons.

Every cathedral is covered in masonic symbols and yes..they have the trademark pedophilia thing going on as is well known.

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God


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"-Their foot shall slide in due time- Deut. 32:35

In this verse is threatened the vengeance of God on the wicked unbelieving Israelites, who were God's visible people, and who lived under the means of grace; but who, notwithstanding all God's wonderful works towards them, remained (as ver. 28.) void of counsel, having no understanding in them. Under all the cultivations of heaven, they brought forth bitter and poisonous fruit; as in the two verses next preceding the text. The expression I have chosen for my text, Their foot shall slide in due time, seems to imply the following doings, relating to the punishment and destruction to which these wicked Israelites were exposed.

1. That they were always exposed to destruction; as one that stands or walks in slippery places is always exposed to fall. This is implied in the manner of their destruction coming upon them, being represented by their foot sliding. The same is expressed, Psalm 73:18. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction."

2. It implies, that they were always exposed to sudden unexpected destruction. As he that walks in slippery places is every moment liable to fall, he cannot foresee one moment whether he shall stand or fall the next; and when he does fall, he falls at once without warning: Which is also expressed in Psalm 73:18, 19. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction: How are they brought into desolation as in a moment!"

3. Another thing implied is, that they are liable to fall of themselves, without being thrown down by the hand of another; as he that stands or walks on slippery ground needs nothing but his own weight to throw him down.

4. That the reason why they are not fallen already, and do not fall now, is only that God's appointed time is not come. For it is said, that when that due time, or appointed time comes, their foot shall slide. Then they shall be left to fall, as they are inclined by their own weight. God will not hold them up in these slippery places any longer, but will let them go; and then at that very instant, they shall fall into destruction; as he that stands on such slippery declining ground, on the edge of a pit, he cannot stand alone, when he is let go he immediately falls and is lost.

The observation from the words that I would now insist upon is this. "There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any one moment out of hell, but the mere pleasure of God." By the mere pleasure of God, I mean his sovereign pleasure, his arbitrary will, restrained by no obligation, hindered by no manner of difficulty, any more than if nothing else but God's mere will had in the least degree, or in any respect whatsoever, any hand in the preservation of wicked men one moment. The truth of this observation may appear by the following considerations.

1. There is no want of power in God to cast wicked men into hell at any moment. Men's hands cannot be strong when God rises up. The strongest have no power to resist him, nor can any deliver out of his hands.-He is not only able to cast wicked men into hell, but he can most easily do it. Sometimes an earthly prince meets with a great deal of difficulty to subdue a rebel, who has found means to fortify himself, and has made himself strong by the numbers of his followers. But it is not so with God. There is no fortress that is any defense from the power of God. Though hand join in hand, and vast multitudes of God's enemies combine and associate themselves, they are easily broken in pieces. They are as great heaps of light chaff before the whirlwind; or large quantities of dry stubble before devouring flames. We find it easy to tread on and crush a worm that we see crawling on the earth; so it is easy for us to cut or singe a slender thread that any thing hangs by: thus easy is it for God, when he pleases, to cast his enemies down to hell. What are we, that we should think to stand before him, at whose rebuke the earth trembles, and before whom the rocks are thrown down?

2. They deserve to be cast into hell; so that divine justice never stands in the way, it makes no objection against God's using his power at any moment to destroy them. Yea, on the contrary, justice calls aloud for an infinite punishment of their sins. Divine justice says of the tree that brings forth such grapes of Sodom, "Cut it down, why cumbereth it the ground?" Luke xiii. 7. The sword of divine justice is every moment brandished over their heads, and it is nothing but the hand of arbitrary mercy, and God's mere will, that holds it back.

3. They are already under a sentence of condemnation to hell. They do not only justly deserve to be cast down thither, but the sentence of the law of God, that eternal and immutable rule of righteousness that God has fixed between him and mankind, is gone out against them, and stands against them; so that they are bound over already to hell. John iii. 18. "He that believeth not is condemned already." So that every unconverted man properly belongs to hell; that is his place; from thence he is, John viii. 23. "Ye are from beneath." And thither be is bound; it is the place that justice, and God's word, and the sentence of his unchangeable law assign to him..."

That's not the way it would be interpreted though because in your picture your right eye is taken out. And that's suppose to be a sign usually that the person has become perverted in their ways, according to the bible.

The white in your eye is a covering of your eye, in other words that it's not there anymore.

Christians do not do that, they do not have pictures of their eyes distorted in anyway, or flash any accult signs of any type.

It's occult practice.