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BREAKING - Explosion Grain Silo/Plant - Union Mills Indiana

 
Texan Buckeye

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No, there doesn't need to be explosives in a grain bin for it to explode. Grain can and does combust on it's own. It happens in the summer when the humidity, or lack of it, is just right. It's a known hazard of working at a grain elevator.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This isn't the best article about the causes of grain explosions, most of the others are pretty technical. If you want to read more, just search on grain elevator explosions.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


Sounds reasonable i'll fact check it. Wouldn't these dangers be well known by now and accounted for closely? Who wants to lose an entire growing seasons worth of grain
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I don't know if there is any way to stop it. Every tiny town in the Midwest has a grain elevator or multiple ones in their towns though. I imagine something to prevent it may not be cost feasible for most of these places. I don't know a lot about the components that make this happen but grain elevators exploding during harvest time is an annual occurance.
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ok i understand it. The grain or flour creates a miniscule sized dust that perpetually hangs in the air constantly. If this dust is ignited somehow it spreads through the bin igniting all the dust in the air. Now all the energy from the flash fire has no where to go inside this thick concrete structure and essentially turns it into a giant pipe bomb or an overloaded pressure cooker with no release valve.

They try to control this by keeping rocks or metal out of the grain before it is put onto the bin so there is nothing that can inadvertently cause a spark to ignite this flammable dust.

Now the question is how hard would it be create this scenario artificially.
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I honestly don't know. I DO know it happens often enough naturally. It is something the people that work at elevators and the farmers take very seriously. No one wants it to happen. It's a fear that everyone connected with the industry has. I know, because my kid brother worked at a large facility before he passed away. No, he wasn't in an explosion.
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Sounds reasonable i'll fact check it. Wouldn't these dangers be well known by now and accounted for closely? Who wants to lose an entire growing seasons worth of grain
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I don't know if there is any way to stop it. Every tiny town in the Midwest has a grain elevator or multiple ones in their towns though. I imagine something to prevent it may not be cost feasible for most of these places. I don't know a lot about the components that make this happen but grain elevators exploding during harvest time is an annual occurance.
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ok i understand it. The grain or flour creates a miniscule sized dust that perpetually hangs in the air constantly. If this dust is ignited somehow it spreads through the bin igniting all the dust in the air. Now all the energy from the flash fire has no where to go inside this thick concrete structure and essentially turns it into a giant pipe bomb or an overloaded pressure cooker with no release valve.

They try to control this by keeping rocks or metal out of the grain before it is put onto the bin so there is nothing that can inadvertently cause a spark to ignite this flammable dust.

Now the question is how hard would it be create this scenario artificially.
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I honestly don't know. I DO know it happens often enough naturally. It is something the people that work at elevators and the farmers take very seriously. No one wants it to happen. It's a fear that everyone connected with the industry has. I know, because my kid brother worked at a large facility before he passed away. No, he wasn't in an explosion.
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I understand. Thanks for the link and the input. I'm sorry to here about your brother, that sux man.
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I don't know if there is any way to stop it. Every tiny town in the Midwest has a grain elevator or multiple ones in their towns though. I imagine something to prevent it may not be cost feasible for most of these places. I don't know a lot about the components that make this happen but grain elevators exploding during harvest time is an annual occurance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7119662


ok i understand it. The grain or flour creates a miniscule sized dust that perpetually hangs in the air constantly. If this dust is ignited somehow it spreads through the bin igniting all the dust in the air. Now all the energy from the flash fire has no where to go inside this thick concrete structure and essentially turns it into a giant pipe bomb or an overloaded pressure cooker with no release valve.

They try to control this by keeping rocks or metal out of the grain before it is put onto the bin so there is nothing that can inadvertently cause a spark to ignite this flammable dust.

Now the question is how hard would it be create this scenario artificially.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 838992


I honestly don't know. I DO know it happens often enough naturally. It is something the people that work at elevators and the farmers take very seriously. No one wants it to happen. It's a fear that everyone connected with the industry has. I know, because my kid brother worked at a large facility before he passed away. No, he wasn't in an explosion.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


I understand. Thanks for the link and the input. I'm sorry to here about your brother, that sux man.
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The war has begun and we don't even know it!
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^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^
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if you were in charge of keeping
the mass populace under control,
what would be your plan ???

eliminate all means of making
weapons of mass destruction ?

shut off the ammo supply ?

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What's happening with all these plants?
 Quoting: CigarTigher


Grain elevators create dust.

Dust that is often contained in a space.

If proper safety measures are not continuously carried out, and something creates a spark...

BOOM!

It is not uncommon for grain elevators to have explosions and fires.

I used to live in a small farming community in Kinde, Michigan. Supposedly the Navy Bean capital of the world.

Anyway...

townspeople used to tell stories of the entire grain elevator complex burning to the ground in the 1930's. Then it happened again in the late 1970's.

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Re: BREAKING - Explosion Grain Silo/Plant - Union Mills Indiana
Well an explosion in a grain bin would require explosives right? Thats a whole different ball game unless there was something explosive already on site in the bin.

Sometimes i wonder if its as simple as turf wars between the mob and who ever.
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Nope! No explosives needed.

The dust alone can make a bomb on par with a fuel air bomb.
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