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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28109253 United States 06/25/2013 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems to be an established "belief system" here, just like most of the other "places" out there. Quoting: TEOTWAIKI One of those beliefs is that the planetary orbits are always as they should be and the sun has always been the same color... Do not attempt to refute the "belief system"! Provide with some evidence of this. Oh wait, you have none. Go back to being a drooling ignorant imbecile. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32417637 United States 06/25/2013 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems to be an established "belief system" here, just like most of the other "places" out there. Quoting: TEOTWAIKI One of those beliefs is that the planetary orbits are always as they should be and the sun has always been the same color... Do not attempt to refute the "belief system"! Provide with some evidence of this. Oh wait, you have none. Go back to being a drooling ignorant imbecile. AC, TEOF, we know North is racing around at the top of the world, the wobble continues, sink holes and volcanoes are largely ignored by the establishment. I'll keep looking for more posts about the wayward sun, even if they keep shutting down threads. |
Hydra User ID: 42329166 Germany 06/25/2013 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems to be an established "belief system" here, just like most of the other "places" out there. Quoting: TEOTWAIKI One of those beliefs is that the planetary orbits are always as they should be and the sun has always been the same color... Do not attempt to refute the "belief system"! Provide with some evidence of this. Oh wait, you have none. Go back to being a drooling ignorant imbecile. AC, TEOF, we know North is racing around at the top of the world, the wobble continues, sink holes and volcanoes are largely ignored by the establishment. I'll keep looking for more posts about the wayward sun, even if they keep shutting down threads. Could you please show the "wobble" in the pictures below: Taken June 24, 2013: [link to www.flickr.com] Taken June 17, 2013: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] Taken April 27, 2013: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32417637 United States 06/25/2013 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.sciencedaily.com] [link to www.ncgt.org] New Concepts In Global Tectonics If I am not much mistaken, earth's axis must be calibrated on a regular basis. The molten core and movements near the surface continually alter its center of gravity and magnetic poles. Please correct me if I am in error, if earth is a static and unchanging orb, seismic plates don't slide, the moon doesn't affect tides, etc. It is hardly a perfectly round rock, more like a beat-up tennis ball with a soft center. |
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74444 User ID: 74444 United States 06/25/2013 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All right, all right. I am pushing the Sun back into place as quickly as I can while making sure *most* everyone is still happy with it. It's on its way and will be back to Equinox right on schedule. My goodness. So demanding, and not a thank you in sight. |
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usmcvet216 User ID: 29867276 United States 06/25/2013 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looking out at the neighbours roof line; "/\" (shape). Just yesterday the sun rose near the halfway point on the southern slope "\" of the roof. This morning it came up on the farthest point on the northern slope "/". The distance apart (at the roofline) is about 30 feet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42304932 Has anyone else notice such a change? This sounds like a fine opportunity to document your observations and test to see if the sun is behaving normally. Would you be up for this. Starting tomorrow morning take a picture of this sunrise when you first see the sun peek over said roof. Do this for 7-10 days in a row. This should be enough time to ascertain movement. Are you game? best comment i read today |
Arete11 User ID: 8545334 United States 06/25/2013 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You aren't going to get affirmation from those that stick with the archontic scientific view that our solar system is predictable and unchanging. Untroubled, Scornful, Outrageous-That is how Wisdom wants us to be! White Genocide: 1900AD @ 35% - Today less than 8% of the earth's population Sophia's Correction |
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skydiva User ID: 41679761 United States 06/25/2013 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42289351 ^this ...and the sun is now white and always has been. Everything is fine. Go back to sleep, sheople. This thread will be deleted in 3...2...1... ...just like the other one. What is the status of your sun over there in Germany? Anything look out of place? it's white as it should be. rose and set where it should have. everethings fine. </SARCASM OFF> And please point out when the sun used to be yellow? I remember it as "white". Can we please see pictures of this yellow sun? Im sure people claiming this have evidence right? Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32938997 United States 06/25/2013 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems to be an established "belief system" here, just like most of the other "places" out there. Quoting: TEOTWAIKI One of those beliefs is that the planetary orbits are always as they should be and the sun has always been the same color... Do not attempt to refute the "belief system"! Provide with some evidence of this. Oh wait, you have none. Go back to being a drooling ignorant imbecile. How about a vision of a fried earth? |
74444 User ID: 74444 United States 06/26/2013 12:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^this ...and the sun is now white and always has been. Everything is fine. Go back to sleep, sheople. This thread will be deleted in 3...2...1... ...just like the other one. NO, it has NOT always been white! Well, get a prism. Compare past spectra with current spectra. There's your answer. |
Setheory User ID: 41894184 United States 06/26/2013 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looking out at the neighbours roof line; "/\" (shape). Just yesterday the sun rose near the halfway point on the southern slope "\" of the roof. This morning it came up on the farthest point on the northern slope "/". The distance apart (at the roofline) is about 30 feet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42304932 Has anyone else notice such a change? This sounds like a fine opportunity to document your observations and test to see if the sun is behaving normally. Would you be up for this. Starting tomorrow morning take a picture of this sunrise when you first see the sun peek over said roof. Do this for 7-10 days in a row. This should be enough time to ascertain movement. Are you game? best comment i read today And yet I haven't gotten a response back from OP. Why would someone be afraid to test their assumptions? I think I know why......... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40892135 United States 06/26/2013 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Setheory 22372062 What is the status of your sun over there in Germany? Anything look out of place? it's white as it should be. rose and set where it should have. everethings fine. </SARCASM OFF> And please point out when the sun used to be yellow? I remember it as "white". Can we please see pictures of this yellow sun? Im sure people claiming this have evidence right? I was there man, for 30+ years. It was yellow, from sunrise to sunset, with the occasional orange and red. Never bluish white, not ever, til just a few years ago. Not once, from any part of the world I traveled to. |
#Geomagnetic_Storm# User ID: 36140692 United States 06/26/2013 05:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42289351 it's white as it should be. rose and set where it should have. everethings fine. </SARCASM OFF> And please point out when the sun used to be yellow? I remember it as "white". Can we please see pictures of this yellow sun? Im sure people claiming this have evidence right? I was there man, for 30+ years. It was yellow, from sunrise to sunset, with the occasional orange and red. Never bluish white, not ever, til just a few years ago. Not once, from any part of the world I traveled to. That's not really proof at all. The sun has always been "white". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1066920 Germany 06/26/2013 06:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm# And please point out when the sun used to be yellow? I remember it as "white". Can we please see pictures of this yellow sun? Im sure people claiming this have evidence right? I was there man, for 30+ years. It was yellow, from sunrise to sunset, with the occasional orange and red. Never bluish white, not ever, til just a few years ago. Not once, from any part of the world I traveled to. That's not really proof at all. The sun has always been "white". Sorry, that's BS. ---snip---- I do believe that most of you are under the age of 35, so maybe you were too young to notice the change...... but, IMHO, around the year of 1992 give or take 2 years, our sun went from yellow to WHITE. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Interesting FACTS about temperatures & colors of stars... Color: temp. example _______________________________________ Blue..........20,000-45,000F....Rigel Blue-white....14,500-20,000F....Sirius White.........11,000-14,500F....Polaris Yellow-white..9,000-11,000F.....SUN Orange........6,500-9,000F......Aldebaran Red...........5,500-6,500F......Betelgeuse (Source: An Instant Guide to Stars & Planets....Gramercy Books, NY Pub. 1992) _________________________________________ OUR SUN ´S (SO CALLED) TEMP. AS OF 1992: 10,800F So, our so-called yellow-white sun is only 200F away from being a WHITE SUN. All it would take is for our sun to go from 10,800 degrees F to 11,000 degrees (surface temp) to become a WHITE SUN. _______________________________________ at this time (2005) many scientists and accepted scientific institutions will tell you that the surface of the sun is 11,000. 11,000 degrees on the surface EQUALS WHITE SUN. ---- Now the surface has 6000 deegrees Celsius (11,000 F): [link to www.solarviews.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1066920 Germany 06/26/2013 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm# And please point out when the sun used to be yellow? I remember it as "white". Can we please see pictures of this yellow sun? Im sure people claiming this have evidence right? I was there man, for 30+ years. It was yellow, from sunrise to sunset, with the occasional orange and red. Never bluish white, not ever, til just a few years ago. Not once, from any part of the world I traveled to. That's not really proof at all. The sun has always been "white". In this link and this NASA picture, it is stated the sun is "yellow". Back in the year of 1996 an alumni of Cal State Northridge asked, "Why is the Sun yellow at high noon but red at sunset"? Even Phil Plait of BABB acknowledged the yellow Sun on his website with this web page only to have some astronomers from his forum flip flop on the issue a year later in 2004. What most have to realize is that the Sun internal reactions have intensified and its color has changed from yellow to white, which has occurred over a year. The establishment first denied the change, but as time went on and the intensity just increased it was agreed among all in charge to present a front that the Sun normal color was always white. Does this pattern seem familiar? It should, with the current trend in storms being presented as the high end of a normal hurricane season. Where denial of Global Warming thru the dismissal of the Kyoto treaty was accepted, it is now seen as a foolish response in light of the 3 super storms that occurred in the Gulf during 2005. When will the changes slow? They won't until mankind gets the message that he must change from the inside out, expect more as new event categories join the mix. [link to www.grantchronicles.com] |
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Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 06/26/2013 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To settle this debate, I am in search of those who have the equipment to objectively measure over a period of time, the relative color of the sun at various locations on our planet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1502252 In the past, the acceptable "daylight temperature" I believe ranged from 5800-6300•K (degrees Kelvin). Does anyone have substatial proof that the light emitted from our Sun has varied greatly from this standard? Yes, anecdotally, we all "think" it appears more "white" vs yellow. However, there are spectometers to measure this; I simply dont posses the equipment. Therefore, are there people measuring these readings? If so, and you have such data or have found a site that has this data listed, please post it here. Thank you... it may help our belief that the sun has changed, or our atmosphere, or both. I looked up the classification of the sun (Sol) in an astronomical book from 1933: "Lehrbuch der Astronomie, Elis Strömgren, Bengt Strömgren, Verlag Julius Springer, Berlin 1933" The classification of stars are the same as today: O=blue, B=blue-white, A=white, F=yellow-white, G=yellow, K=orange, M=red The classes B to K were subdivided by numbers, O and M by lower case letters back then. Today all classes are subdivided by numbers, followed by a subclass (Roman numerals) plus three more classes describing (at that time unknown) red and brown dwarf stars: L, T, Y In the above book the sun (Sol) was classified as follows: Class: G0 Color temperature: 6400 K (daylight) Temperature: 5740°K Please keep in mind, that the technical capabilities compared to today were limited - e.g. 1933 they could distinguish for the G-type class only G0 and G5. Keep also in mind, that the classification of a star has little to do with the apparent color of this star. Let's compare the old classification with todays classification from Wikipedia: Class: G2V Color temperature: 6500 K (daylight) Temperature: 5778°K Thus, given the technical capabilities of 1933, this is an almost perfect match with todays data. Conclusion: No, the sun has neither changed in color nor in brightness or temperature. <sarcasm> And for the sun-tards: No, the sun is not whiter today - to the contrary it went from G0 to G2, what means it is 2/10 more to orange today than 80 years ago. </sarcasm> . Some emphasis added, for the sun-tards... :) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42347714 Germany 06/26/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To settle this debate, I am in search of those who have the equipment to objectively measure over a period of time, the relative color of the sun at various locations on our planet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1502252 In the past, the acceptable "daylight temperature" I believe ranged from 5800-6300•K (degrees Kelvin). Does anyone have substatial proof that the light emitted from our Sun has varied greatly from this standard? Yes, anecdotally, we all "think" it appears more "white" vs yellow. However, there are spectometers to measure this; I simply dont posses the equipment. Therefore, are there people measuring these readings? If so, and you have such data or have found a site that has this data listed, please post it here. Thank you... it may help our belief that the sun has changed, or our atmosphere, or both. I looked up the classification of the sun (Sol) in an astronomical book from 1933: "Lehrbuch der Astronomie, Elis Strömgren, Bengt Strömgren, Verlag Julius Springer, Berlin 1933" The classification of stars are the same as today: O=blue, B=blue-white, A=white, F=yellow-white, G=yellow, K=orange, M=red The classes B to K were subdivided by numbers, O and M by lower case letters back then. Today all classes are subdivided by numbers, followed by a subclass (Roman numerals) plus three more classes describing (at that time unknown) red and brown dwarf stars: L, T, Y In the above book the sun (Sol) was classified as follows: Class: G0 Color temperature: 6400 K (daylight) Temperature: 5740°K Please keep in mind, that the technical capabilities compared to today were limited - e.g. 1933 they could distinguish for the G-type class only G0 and G5. Keep also in mind, that the classification of a star has little to do with the apparent color of this star. Let's compare the old classification with todays classification from Wikipedia: Class: G2V Color temperature: 6500 K (daylight) Temperature: 5778°K Thus, given the technical capabilities of 1933, this is an almost perfect match with todays data. Conclusion: No, the sun has neither changed in color nor in brightness or temperature. <sarcasm> And for the sun-tards: No, the sun is not whiter today - to the contrary it went from G0 to G2, what means it is 2/10 more to orange today than 80 years ago. </sarcasm> . Some emphasis added, for the sun-tards... :) The only interesting thing is: this is quoted from the deletd thread. How can you quote this if you are the normal user that you always claim to be? |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 06/26/2013 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To settle this debate, I am in search of those who have the equipment to objectively measure over a period of time, the relative color of the sun at various locations on our planet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1502252 In the past, the acceptable "daylight temperature" I believe ranged from 5800-6300•K (degrees Kelvin). Does anyone have substatial proof that the light emitted from our Sun has varied greatly from this standard? Yes, anecdotally, we all "think" it appears more "white" vs yellow. However, there are spectometers to measure this; I simply dont posses the equipment. Therefore, are there people measuring these readings? If so, and you have such data or have found a site that has this data listed, please post it here. Thank you... it may help our belief that the sun has changed, or our atmosphere, or both. I looked up the classification of the sun (Sol) in an astronomical book from 1933: "Lehrbuch der Astronomie, Elis Strömgren, Bengt Strömgren, Verlag Julius Springer, Berlin 1933" The classification of stars are the same as today: O=blue, B=blue-white, A=white, F=yellow-white, G=yellow, K=orange, M=red The classes B to K were subdivided by numbers, O and M by lower case letters back then. Today all classes are subdivided by numbers, followed by a subclass (Roman numerals) plus three more classes describing (at that time unknown) red and brown dwarf stars: L, T, Y In the above book the sun (Sol) was classified as follows: Class: G0 Color temperature: 6400 K (daylight) Temperature: 5740°K Please keep in mind, that the technical capabilities compared to today were limited - e.g. 1933 they could distinguish for the G-type class only G0 and G5. Keep also in mind, that the classification of a star has little to do with the apparent color of this star. Let's compare the old classification with todays classification from Wikipedia: Class: G2V Color temperature: 6500 K (daylight) Temperature: 5778°K Thus, given the technical capabilities of 1933, this is an almost perfect match with todays data. Conclusion: No, the sun has neither changed in color nor in brightness or temperature. <sarcasm> And for the sun-tards: No, the sun is not whiter today - to the contrary it went from G0 to G2, what means it is 2/10 more to orange today than 80 years ago. </sarcasm> . Some emphasis added, for the sun-tards... :) The only interesting thing is: this is quoted from the deletd thread. How can you quote this if you are the normal user that you always claim to be? Not the brightest crayon in the box, are you? Click the little page icon next to Hydra's name at the bottom of the quote. It takes you to where I actually quoted it. Thread: SUN COLOR: Has it changed? Scientific Responses Only (Page 2) Idiot. Last Edited by Astromut on 06/26/2013 11:05 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42347714 Germany 06/26/2013 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not the brightest crayon in the box, are you? Click the little page icon next to Hydra's name at the bottom of the quote. It takes you to where I actually quoted it. Quoting: Dr. Astro Thread: SUN COLOR: Has it changed? Scientific Responses Only (Page 2) Idiot. Hit a nerv, huh? Su you're quoting the same BS on every thread and you're salivate every time the bell rings, interesting. [link to www.nobelprize.org] |