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Regarding The Lake Erie UFO's - Do you believe Mufon or their bosses Bigelow Aerospce? Or the Actual Cleveland FAA/Airports of Mufon?

 
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In the year 2010, there was a Massive ten day sighting of UFO's over Lake Erie, Then the disinformation started to set into place.

Mufon came on the scene and declared they were only airplanes and "Case Closed".

I have the most footage of these objects ever filmed, I was not contacted by them for that investigation at all and I never gave them any of my footage to examine yet still my own footage has seemed to be lumped in with the disinfo now circulating reagrding the Lake Erie UFO's so I would like to set the record strait. As you will see, there was a lot more to the story that was never included in Mufons investigation.

I do not have anything against Mufon, I actually have many friends who are members, but when these falsehoods are being thrown my way, I will back up my side with DATA that is not debatable, Evidence I will share with you right now.

Tom Wertman of Mufon declared "They are Airplanes"

Too bad he didn't contact the Cleveland Airports and the FAA just like MSNBC did, he would have found out the following...

FAA & Cleveland Airports report Lake Erie UFO's Not In Normal Flight Paths, Not Showing Up On Radar and Nothing They Are Doing!!!

MSNBC contacted the FAA and all local Cleveland Airports who said These objects are not in normal flight paths, NOT FAA Light Configurations that none of these objects were anything they were doing and these objects were not showing up on any of the airports radar as well!



And Tom Wertmans Bosses "Bigelow Aerospace" did not agree with Wertmans conclusion and were very vocal about it!

here is that proof...

Friday night on The Alien Agenda radio, both Eugene Erlikh and Michael Lee Hill were featured on the show. Both had filmed unknown multicolored orb/craft over Lake Erie and coincidentally live within 5 minutes of each other in Cleveland. Michael's videos go further back to 2006 and Eugene's are more recent. On April 6, 2010 Michael and Eugene unknowingly and simultaneously filmed similar multicolored orb/craft on the same night and at the same time or within minutes of each other. Both videographers made this discovery just yesterday as well.

According to Erlikh, at approximately 6:45pm EST, on Thursday night (April 8, 2010) a private telephone call came into his residence. Eugene answered and the man on the other end assumed to know it was Eugene and called him by name. The man identified himself as a member of Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, his name is Investigator Garu Hernadez. In fact, His name is linked to the BAASS.ORG domain name and now featured on the Skinwalker Ranch website. He asked Eugene a number of questions pertaining to the sightings over Lake Erie. The man then demanded Eugene give up the exact coordinates of the location the lights are appearing. When Eugene questioned the man, Gary Hernandez stated he knew the lights were not terrestrial or from this planet and there's big money involved in obtaining that technology. He instructed Eugene to email him the coordinates. Eugene immediately hung up the telephone.


The host of the Radio show then E-mailed this BAASS Investigator and asked, "Hey, why are you guys calling Egene when Mufon already Stated that these are just Airplanes "Case Closed"?"

This is Bigelow investigator Gary Hernandez actual response.

In Regards to the Lights over Lake Erie I am not absolutely convinced that they are coming from conventional aircraft. As an investigator I must be completely objective with any UFO's reported which has multiple witnesses. BAASS employees are paid professionals, all the investigators are former law enforcement detectives who have a higher level set of skills and experience. MUFON Takes anyone who pays the money and passes the test and works for free. That does not make them a credible source for information for me to except they're conclusions. - Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies Investigator

Interestingly enough, Tom Wertman of Mufon had publicly released the following statement a day before his handlers told him what they wanted him to say it seems like....

Just after 8 p.m., Tom Wertman said he was able to see "something very faint, like the head of a pin, pop in, and pop out."

So what exactly is this object?

He says the movement of the first sighting "was way too quick" for conventional aircraft. "It went from 10 degrees to 290 degrees and disappeared in a matter of just a few minutes," Wertman said.

He (Wertman) said that during the second sighting, the object was "too stationary for too long. It didn't act like a normal aircraft. If it was making a loop turn and heading back to the airport, the landing light would be getting brighter, not dimmer. And if it was moving away, wouldn't the light we were seeing be facing the other direction?"
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Source - [link to www.examiner.com]

Hmmmm I wonder what made him change his tune Laugh

I have so much more info from Investigator Hernandez as well, but that will do for now.

Don't believe the Disinfo!
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Holy crap. How many times are you going to post this? And if you hate MUFON so much why are you speaking in Pittsburgh?
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Holy crap. How many times are you going to post this? And if you hate MUFON so much why are you speaking in Pittsburgh?
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I will keep posting it as many times as you people keep claiming they are planes ;-)

As I stated, I have many friends in Mufon, nothing really againt Mufon, I am against Dis-info.

You know I just talked with Eugene who is a Paramedic, A very responsible young man and in my mi9nd a very credible witness, he told me the following...

Q to Eugene - So you never confirmed with him you were looking at the same objects? So Tom Wertman is flat out lying then? that sucks. You know I talked to that Bigelow guy a few times, dude, he told me they know they are real Alien craft!

A - Eugene Thomas Erlikh - Yes, we never confirmed anything, he just happened to say that planes were out at the same times that I said I saw the lights. But I have filmed many planes out with them pretty much all the time. he (Wertman) was on the phone & looking at the airport not at the sky lol

Then he told the rest of the MUFON investigators to look at the airport for incoming planes... and yes you will see planes landing, it's Cleveland!
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Sorry, that's BS.

Wertman was on the phone with Eugene confirming which lights he was watching and cross referencing them with flight tracking software and witnesses on the ground.
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And you still haven't answered why you're speaking at a MUFON conference after all your badmouthing of them as disinfo agents.
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Sorry, that's BS.

Wertman was on the phone with Eugene confirming which lights he was watching and cross referencing them with flight tracking software and witnesses on the ground.
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Not according to Eugene, The FAA, The Cleveland Airports, Etc. it seems like.

And where were the witnesses at

Not the actual location correct?
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And you still haven't answered why you're speaking at a MUFON conference after all your badmouthing of them as disinfo agents.
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I thought it was clear clear, some of them, not all of them. As usual.
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Meanwhile right Across Lake Erie on the Canada Side ;-)




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Mind you those Vid's and reports coming in from the Canada side are the exact same thing being filmed and witnessed on the USA side!
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And if you want to know who Bigelow Aerospace is who stated...

"In Regards to the Lights over Lake Erie I am not absolutely convinced that they are coming from conventional aircraft. As an investigator I must be completely objective with any UFO's reported which has multiple witnesses. BAASS employees are paid professionals, all the investigators are former law enforcement detectives who have a higher level set of skills and experience. MUFON Takes anyone who pays the money and passes the test and works for free. That does not make them a credible source for information for me to except they're conclusions." - Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies Investigator

Here is a Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory Episode on Bigelow Aerospace and the Skinwalker Ranch!

If anybody where to know the truth, these would be the people!

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Oh, And let's NOT forget the fact these exact same Orbs of light are showing up not only Lake Erie but Worldwide!

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And you still haven't answered why you're speaking at a MUFON conference after all your badmouthing of them as disinfo agents.
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I thought it was clear clear, some of them, not all of them. As usual.
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In other words those who disagree with are disinfo agents. Just the kind of attitude that's basically helped ruin ufology.

And if you think Wertman's research is bogus, why haven't you or anyone else done their own? Eugene's lights have continued to appear every night for THREE YEARS. Why don't you or some of your famous buddies get some flight tracking software and a laptop and go out there and become famous?

They dont because everyone knows they're just planes and no one wants to ruin a good story.
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And you still haven't answered why you're speaking at a MUFON conference after all your badmouthing of them as disinfo agents.
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Because they're giving Mikey money, and, more importantly, the attention he so desperately and pathetically needs.
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And you still haven't answered why you're speaking at a MUFON conference after all your badmouthing of them as disinfo agents.
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I thought it was clear clear, some of them, not all of them. As usual.
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In other words those who disagree with are disinfo agents. Just the kind of attitude that's basically helped ruin ufology.

And if you think Wertman's research is bogus, why haven't you or anyone else done their own? Eugene's lights have continued to appear every night for THREE YEARS. Why don't you or some of your famous buddies get some flight tracking software and a laptop and go out there and become famous?

They dont because everyone knows they're just planes and no one wants to ruin a good story.
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Actually they are not there every single night, So did the airports shut down on those nights? They did not show up for an entire year at one point, nothing at all, I guess the Airport closed for a year ;-)

Believe what you want, even if it is wrong I guess.
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And you still haven't answered why you're speaking at a MUFON conference after all your badmouthing of them as disinfo agents.
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I thought it was clear clear, some of them, not all of them. As usual.
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In other words those who disagree with are disinfo agents. Just the kind of attitude that's basically helped ruin ufology.

And if you think Wertman's research is bogus, why haven't you or anyone else done their own? Eugene's lights have continued to appear every night for THREE YEARS. Why don't you or some of your famous buddies get some flight tracking software and a laptop and go out there and become famous?

They dont because everyone knows they're just planes and no one wants to ruin a good story.
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Actually they are not there every single night, So did the airports shut down on those nights? They did not show up for an entire year at one point, nothing at all, I guess the Airport closed for a year ;-)

Believe what you want, even if it is wrong I guess.
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Learn a little about aviation Mike.

Weather patterns and traffic dictate where they stack planes for approach.
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I thought it was clear clear, some of them, not all of them. As usual.
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In other words those who disagree with are disinfo agents. Just the kind of attitude that's basically helped ruin ufology.

And if you think Wertman's research is bogus, why haven't you or anyone else done their own? Eugene's lights have continued to appear every night for THREE YEARS. Why don't you or some of your famous buddies get some flight tracking software and a laptop and go out there and become famous?

They dont because everyone knows they're just planes and no one wants to ruin a good story.
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Actually they are not there every single night, So did the airports shut down on those nights? They did not show up for an entire year at one point, nothing at all, I guess the Airport closed for a year ;-)

Believe what you want, even if it is wrong I guess.
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Learn a little about aviation Mike.

Weather patterns and traffic dictate where they stack planes for approach.
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I have been down there on the lake hundreds of times, I have seen and filmed them enter and leave the water, Do you understand?

Nothing you can say will ever bring me to believe they are airplanes because I know better.

And just how do you think these are airplanes, They appear from nowhere, form into formations and slowly hover around, One Orb shows up right down on the water?

The footage we have been waiting for! This is a little hard to explain ;-) And the typical explanations that these are Chinese Lanterns or Flares or airplanes do not fit the behavior of these objects in this video at all!

The Sphere/Orb of light that appears out of nowhere at 13 seconds into the clip on the left side of the screen begins moving to the East or Right (on the screen) and continues East until it stops dead in it's tracks and then just hovers there near the first object when a 3rd Orb of light appears from nowhere and the three Orbs join into a Triangular formation.

Then a 4th Orb of Light appears right down on the surface of Lake Erie.

So 3 of these 4 Orbs of Light appeared from nowhere!



Ya just Airplanes laugh
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And why are you ignoring the fact that these same exact objects are being reported in record numbers right Across Lake Erie on the Canada Side ;-)






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In other words those who disagree with are disinfo agents. Just the kind of attitude that's basically helped ruin ufology.

And if you think Wertman's research is bogus, why haven't you or anyone else done their own? Eugene's lights have continued to appear every night for THREE YEARS. Why don't you or some of your famous buddies get some flight tracking software and a laptop and go out there and become famous?

They dont because everyone knows they're just planes and no one wants to ruin a good story.
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Actually they are not there every single night, So did the airports shut down on those nights? They did not show up for an entire year at one point, nothing at all, I guess the Airport closed for a year ;-)

Believe what you want, even if it is wrong I guess.
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Learn a little about aviation Mike.

Weather patterns and traffic dictate where they stack planes for approach.
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I have been down there on the lake hundreds of times, I have seen and filmed them enter and leave the water, Do you understand?

Nothing you can say will ever bring me to believe they are airplanes because I know better.

And just how do you think these are airplanes, They appear from nowhere, form into formations and slowly hover around, One Orb shows up right down on the water?

The footage we have been waiting for! This is a little hard to explain ;-) And the typical explanations that these are Chinese Lanterns or Flares or airplanes do not fit the behavior of these objects in this video at all!

The Sphere/Orb of light that appears out of nowhere at 13 seconds into the clip on the left side of the screen begins moving to the East or Right (on the screen) and continues East until it stops dead in it's tracks and then just hovers there near the first object when a 3rd Orb of light appears from nowhere and the three Orbs join into a Triangular formation.

Then a 4th Orb of Light appears right down on the surface of Lake Erie.

So 3 of these 4 Orbs of Light appeared from nowhere!



Ya just Airplanes laugh
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In other words those who disagree with are disinfo agents. Just the kind of attitude that's basically helped ruin ufology.

And if you think Wertman's research is bogus, why haven't you or anyone else done their own? Eugene's lights have continued to appear every night for THREE YEARS. Why don't you or some of your famous buddies get some flight tracking software and a laptop and go out there and become famous?

They dont because everyone knows they're just planes and no one wants to ruin a good story.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41317422


Actually they are not there every single night, So did the airports shut down on those nights? They did not show up for an entire year at one point, nothing at all, I guess the Airport closed for a year ;-)

Believe what you want, even if it is wrong I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42405944


Learn a little about aviation Mike.

Weather patterns and traffic dictate where they stack planes for approach.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



I have been down there on the lake hundreds of times, I have seen and filmed them enter and leave the water, Do you understand?

Nothing you can say will ever bring me to believe they are airplanes because I know better.

And just how do you think these are airplanes, They appear from nowhere, form into formations and slowly hover around, One Orb shows up right down on the water?

The footage we have been waiting for! This is a little hard to explain ;-) And the typical explanations that these are Chinese Lanterns or Flares or airplanes do not fit the behavior of these objects in this video at all!

The Sphere/Orb of light that appears out of nowhere at 13 seconds into the clip on the left side of the screen begins moving to the East or Right (on the screen) and continues East until it stops dead in it's tracks and then just hovers there near the first object when a 3rd Orb of light appears from nowhere and the three Orbs join into a Triangular formation.

Then a 4th Orb of Light appears right down on the surface of Lake Erie.

So 3 of these 4 Orbs of Light appeared from nowhere!



Ya just Airplanes laugh
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Those lights are BLINKING! Just like aircraft lights. And aren't you supposed to be the emmisary of the aliens? Aren't you supposed to be getting telepathic commu nication about when they appear? And this is the best footage you've got?

I've got a hundred bucks that says anybody can go to that beach on any given night and get exactly the same footage.
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Actually they are not there every single night, So did the airports shut down on those nights? They did not show up for an entire year at one point, nothing at all, I guess the Airport closed for a year ;-)

Believe what you want, even if it is wrong I guess.
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Learn a little about aviation Mike.

Weather patterns and traffic dictate where they stack planes for approach.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



I have been down there on the lake hundreds of times, I have seen and filmed them enter and leave the water, Do you understand?

Nothing you can say will ever bring me to believe they are airplanes because I know better.

And just how do you think these are airplanes, They appear from nowhere, form into formations and slowly hover around, One Orb shows up right down on the water?

The footage we have been waiting for! This is a little hard to explain ;-) And the typical explanations that these are Chinese Lanterns or Flares or airplanes do not fit the behavior of these objects in this video at all!

The Sphere/Orb of light that appears out of nowhere at 13 seconds into the clip on the left side of the screen begins moving to the East or Right (on the screen) and continues East until it stops dead in it's tracks and then just hovers there near the first object when a 3rd Orb of light appears from nowhere and the three Orbs join into a Triangular formation.

Then a 4th Orb of Light appears right down on the surface of Lake Erie.

So 3 of these 4 Orbs of Light appeared from nowhere!



Ya just Airplanes laugh
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...


Actually they are not there every single night, So did the airports shut down on those nights? They did not show up for an entire year at one point, nothing at all, I guess the Airport closed for a year ;-)

Believe what you want, even if it is wrong I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42405944


Learn a little about aviation Mike.

Weather patterns and traffic dictate where they stack planes for approach.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



I have been down there on the lake hundreds of times, I have seen and filmed them enter and leave the water, Do you understand?

Nothing you can say will ever bring me to believe they are airplanes because I know better.

And just how do you think these are airplanes, They appear from nowhere, form into formations and slowly hover around, One Orb shows up right down on the water?

The footage we have been waiting for! This is a little hard to explain ;-) And the typical explanations that these are Chinese Lanterns or Flares or airplanes do not fit the behavior of these objects in this video at all!

The Sphere/Orb of light that appears out of nowhere at 13 seconds into the clip on the left side of the screen begins moving to the East or Right (on the screen) and continues East until it stops dead in it's tracks and then just hovers there near the first object when a 3rd Orb of light appears from nowhere and the three Orbs join into a Triangular formation.

Then a 4th Orb of Light appears right down on the surface of Lake Erie.

So 3 of these 4 Orbs of Light appeared from nowhere!



Ya just Airplanes laugh
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Those lights are BLINKING! Just like aircraft lights. And aren't you supposed to be the emmisary of the aliens? Aren't you supposed to be getting telepathic commu nication about when they appear? And this is the best footage you've got?

I've got a hundred bucks that says anybody can go to that beach on any given night and get exactly the same footage.
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laugh

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Mind you those Vid's and reports coming in from the Canada side are the exact same thing being filmed and witnessed on the USA side!
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Yep!
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WTF

Do you EVER talk about ANYTHING but YOU????
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WTF

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Pathetic. Easy fake. For guys who see this often they sure seem shocked. I saw a craft that listened to my plea to turn 180 degrees. Seen a lot as a night worker who runs home. 1 am to 6 am 5 times a week. Seen a few things that I eventually debunked my self.
If they record alot why no tripod or 360 swivel head. Nope just another dark shaky easy to hoax video.
BTW, ending up on the news these days means little. They screw up info daily yet if they show a video u like it's validation?
Even if it was the real deal can you so called men keep calm. It's just another space faring species...could be future humans on a time travel trip.
Like I said pathetic.
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You just don't understand. MLH is the anointed one. He hasn't grown up yet but by the time he gets out his childhood bit like-it's all about me, I need attention, I start threads so I can preach, I don't need a job, he will be a good person. LOL
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