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Typical knee-jerk reaction.
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higherconscience - yes I believe in second chances. Just not with child sex offenders.

They repeat always. Six years in jail doesn't cure them.

Educate yourself.
 Quoting: Sloane


You shouldn't use such absolutes.

Educate yourself.
 Quoting: higherconscience


And six years does not cure a child of the psychological problems they incur at the hands of a sexual predator. Most are haunted for life, and many live at a fraction of their potential, or become offenders themselves. The cost to society is huge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545892


It seems that this guy was falsely accused in the first place, hence none of what you say applies in this case.

I won't even go in depth about how the "haunting" you speak of is a result of how Western society deals with such things in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying I condone such behavior or acts- but there are plenty of cultures where two consenting people regardless of age ain't nothin' but a thing.

Perhaps it's "society" that has the problem...

On a level that most people cannot or will not stop to think about rationally, provided two people regardless of age consented to such behavior and it wasn't "forbidden"- there really isn't as much "wrong" with it as one would think.

Besides possible impregnation between two blood relatives causing DNA or other related problems, anyways.

In the animal kingdom these acts are perfectly natural. Spare me the lecture about how we are different as humans. If you don't understand my point, then just skip past this post.
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higherconscience - yes I believe in second chances. Just not with child sex offenders.

They repeat always. Six years in jail doesn't cure them.

Educate yourself.
 Quoting: Sloane


You shouldn't use such absolutes.

Educate yourself.
 Quoting: higherconscience


And six years does not cure a child of the psychological problems they incur at the hands of a sexual predator. Most are haunted for life, and many live at a fraction of their potential, or become offenders themselves. The cost to society is huge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545892


It seems that this guy was falsely accused in the first place, hence none of what you say applies in this case.

I won't even go in depth about how the "haunting" you speak of is a result of how Western society deals with such things in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying I condone such behavior or acts- but there are plenty of cultures where two consenting people regardless of age ain't nothin' but a thing.

Perhaps it's "society" that has the problem...

On a level that most people cannot or will not stop to think about rationally, provided two people regardless of age consented to such behavior and it wasn't "forbidden"- there really isn't as much "wrong" with it as one would think.

Besides possible impregnation between two blood relatives causing DNA or other related problems, anyways.

In the animal kingdom these acts are perfectly natural. Spare me the lecture about how we are different as humans. If you don't understand my point, then just skip past this post.
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That says it all.

Pedo sympethizer.
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Interestingly, there are only two links to this story on the google news search.

If you don't believe we are already in a fight between good and evil, you haven't been paying attention.
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I was not in the court room , I didn't not hear either case.
Ill leave the judgments to the professionals.Im sure the judge had all parties best interest at heart.
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Good fucking lord.

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You shouldn't use such absolutes.

Educate yourself.
 Quoting: higherconscience


And six years does not cure a child of the psychological problems they incur at the hands of a sexual predator. Most are haunted for life, and many live at a fraction of their potential, or become offenders themselves. The cost to society is huge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545892


It seems that this guy was falsely accused in the first place, hence none of what you say applies in this case.

I won't even go in depth about how the "haunting" you speak of is a result of how Western society deals with such things in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying I condone such behavior or acts- but there are plenty of cultures where two consenting people regardless of age ain't nothin' but a thing.

Perhaps it's "society" that has the problem...

On a level that most people cannot or will not stop to think about rationally, provided two people regardless of age consented to such behavior and it wasn't "forbidden"- there really isn't as much "wrong" with it as one would think.

Besides possible impregnation between two blood relatives causing DNA or other related problems, anyways.

In the animal kingdom these acts are perfectly natural. Spare me the lecture about how we are different as humans. If you don't understand my point, then just skip past this post.
 Quoting: higherconscience


That says it all.

Pedo sympethizer.
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Sure does. Hope he falls face first into a tree chipper.
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I was not in the court room , I didn't not hear either case.
Ill leave the judgments to the professionals.Im sure the judge had all parties best interest at heart.
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You can't be serious? Not in today's world.
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And six years does not cure a child of the psychological problems they incur at the hands of a sexual predator. Most are haunted for life, and many live at a fraction of their potential, or become offenders themselves. The cost to society is huge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545892


It seems that this guy was falsely accused in the first place, hence none of what you say applies in this case.

I won't even go in depth about how the "haunting" you speak of is a result of how Western society deals with such things in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying I condone such behavior or acts- but there are plenty of cultures where two consenting people regardless of age ain't nothin' but a thing.

Perhaps it's "society" that has the problem...

On a level that most people cannot or will not stop to think about rationally, provided two people regardless of age consented to such behavior and it wasn't "forbidden"- there really isn't as much "wrong" with it as one would think.

Besides possible impregnation between two blood relatives causing DNA or other related problems, anyways.

In the animal kingdom these acts are perfectly natural. Spare me the lecture about how we are different as humans. If you don't understand my point, then just skip past this post.
 Quoting: higherconscience


That says it all.

Pedo sympethizer.
 Quoting: *Evan


Sure does. Hope he falls face first into a tree chipper.
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lol, that might be a bit harsh...
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You shouldn't use such absolutes.

Educate yourself.
 Quoting: higherconscience


And six years does not cure a child of the psychological problems they incur at the hands of a sexual predator. Most are haunted for life, and many live at a fraction of their potential, or become offenders themselves. The cost to society is huge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545892


It seems that this guy was falsely accused in the first place, hence none of what you say applies in this case.

I won't even go in depth about how the "haunting" you speak of is a result of how Western society deals with such things in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying I condone such behavior or acts- but there are plenty of cultures where two consenting people regardless of age ain't nothin' but a thing.

Perhaps it's "society" that has the problem...

On a level that most people cannot or will not stop to think about rationally, provided two people regardless of age consented to such behavior and it wasn't "forbidden"- there really isn't as much "wrong" with it as one would think.

Besides possible impregnation between two blood relatives causing DNA or other related problems, anyways.

In the animal kingdom these acts are perfectly natural. Spare me the lecture about how we are different as humans. If you don't understand my point, then just skip past this post.
 Quoting: higherconscience


That says it all.

Pedo sympethizer.
 Quoting: *Evan


How do you come to that conclusion, Jack? I guess you only read what you want to read, and jump to conclusions.
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More harsh than supporting child rape? I think not.
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And six years does not cure a child of the psychological problems they incur at the hands of a sexual predator. Most are haunted for life, and many live at a fraction of their potential, or become offenders themselves. The cost to society is huge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545892


It seems that this guy was falsely accused in the first place, hence none of what you say applies in this case.

I won't even go in depth about how the "haunting" you speak of is a result of how Western society deals with such things in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying I condone such behavior or acts- but there are plenty of cultures where two consenting people regardless of age ain't nothin' but a thing.

Perhaps it's "society" that has the problem...

On a level that most people cannot or will not stop to think about rationally, provided two people regardless of age consented to such behavior and it wasn't "forbidden"- there really isn't as much "wrong" with it as one would think.

Besides possible impregnation between two blood relatives causing DNA or other related problems, anyways.

In the animal kingdom these acts are perfectly natural. Spare me the lecture about how we are different as humans. If you don't understand my point, then just skip past this post.
 Quoting: higherconscience


That says it all.

Pedo sympethizer.
 Quoting: *Evan


Sure does. Hope he falls face first into a tree chipper.
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Well that would be lovely, I'm sure.
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More harsh than supporting child rape? I think not.
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You all skipped right over the part where I clearly said multiple times I DO NOT CONDONE SUCH BEHAVIOR!

Sheesh.. y'all are blind as bats!

No, you're actually just too stuck in your ways and like to jump on people any chance you get as long as it fits your agenda.
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You have got to be fucking shitting me
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More harsh than supporting child rape? I think not.
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You all skipped right over the part where I clearly said multiple times I DO NOT CONDONE SUCH BEHAVIOR!

Sheesh.. y'all are blind as bats!

No, you're actually just too stuck in your ways and like to jump on people any chance you get as long as it fits your agenda.
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Yeah I skipped right to the part where you were all happy about some cultures being fine with no age limits.

Fuck them and fuck you.
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More harsh than supporting child rape? I think not.
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You all skipped right over the part where I clearly said multiple times I DO NOT CONDONE SUCH BEHAVIOR!

Sheesh.. y'all are blind as bats!

No, you're actually just too stuck in your ways and like to jump on people any chance you get as long as it fits your agenda.
 Quoting: higherconscience


Yeah I skipped right to the part where you were all happy about some cultures being fine with no age limits.

Fuck them and fuck you.
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1. I never claimed to be happy or not happy with it. Just giving you some information.

2. How kind of you, sweetheart. Maybe one day you'll open your eyes. Maybe it will take death of your physical body to see clearer. Who knows?

I'll send some positive energy your way, AC. Seems you need it more than I.
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Keep your energy. It's filthy.
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Keep your energy. It's filthy.
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I'm shocked by the courts decision to return his biological daughter in sole custody of a sentenced phedophile. I have no words.
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You shouldn't use such absolutes.

Educate yourself.
 Quoting: higherconscience


And six years does not cure a child of the psychological problems they incur at the hands of a sexual predator. Most are haunted for life, and many live at a fraction of their potential, or become offenders themselves. The cost to society is huge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545892


It seems that this guy was falsely accused in the first place, hence none of what you say applies in this case.

I won't even go in depth about how the "haunting" you speak of is a result of how Western society deals with such things in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying I condone such behavior or acts- but there are plenty of cultures where two consenting people regardless of age ain't nothin' but a thing.

Perhaps it's "society" that has the problem...

On a level that most people cannot or will not stop to think about rationally, provided two people regardless of age consented to such behavior and it wasn't "forbidden"- there really isn't as much "wrong" with it as one would think.

Besides possible impregnation between two blood relatives causing DNA or other related problems, anyways.

In the animal kingdom these acts are perfectly natural. Spare me the lecture about how we are different as humans. If you don't understand my point, then just skip past this post.
 Quoting: higherconscience


That says it all.

Pedo sympethizer.
 Quoting: *Evan


But...but...but.....they're BORN that way.

/s
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She was returned to the father so she could be raised as a sex slave for the political elites.
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To the negative rep faggots... where did I say I condone rape of a child? You jump to conclusions too much, dip shits.
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I agree with ya,...
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Parental rights are fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution.

The fundamental liberty interest of natural parents in the care, custody, and management of their child does not evaporate simply because they have not been model parents or have lost temporary custody of their child to the State. Even when blood relationships are strained, parents retain a vital interest in preventing the irretrievable destruction of their family life. Santosky v. Kramer, 455 U.S. 745 (1982)

In a long line of cases, we have held that, in addition to the specific freedoms protected by the Bill of Rights, the "liberty" specially protected by the Due Process Clause includes the rights . . . to direct the education and upbringing of one's children. Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997)

The liberty interest at issue in this case-the interest of parents in the care, custody, and control of their children-is perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty interests recognized by this Court.
In light of this extensive precedent, it cannot now be doubted that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment protects the fundamental right of parents to make decisions concerning the care, custody, and control of their children. Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57 (2000)

The test in determining whether a fundamental right has been violated is strict scrutiny the highest level of review that an appellate court may use in reviewing a law or decision with regard to that right.

In short, children are not fully considered citizens under the law. That is the reality. They are in effect chattel of their parents. There is a "best interests of the child standard" but that has to be weighed against the fundamental rights of the parent to exercise their parental rights with regard to that child. Those rights are not easily deprived given that standard.

Had the mother really wanted to protect the minor child from the biological father, she could have remarried and had the step-father adopt the little girl, at which time the biological father's rights could have been terminated. There is a presumption under Oklahoma law that a person who is a convicted sex offender and has offended against the minor child or a sibling of the minor child cannot object to an adoption of that child. So the adoption could have proceeded over his objections, assuming the mother and adoptive father could have shown a court it was in the minor child's best interest. Title 10 O.S. §§ 7505-4.2(I)and (J).

Family law is one of the most frustrating areas of legal practice that there is. Every day there are good decisions and bad decisions. Typically judges do not have backgrounds in counseling, early childhood development, social work, sociology, psychology--all areas of education and play an important part in the issues arising from divorce, paternity and guardianship cases.

Some states have laws that allow a parent to effectively terminate the other parent's rights absent an adoption. Oklahoma repealed those laws in the early 1990s because too many women were doing that at the behest of the biological fathers. It would prevent the state from being able to go after them for repayment of welfare benefits and absolve the men from having to pay child support.
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Parental rights are fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution.

The fundamental liberty interest of natural parents in the care, custody, and management of their child does not evaporate simply because they have not been model parents or have lost temporary custody of their child to the State. Even when blood relationships are strained, parents retain a vital interest in preventing the irretrievable destruction of their family life. Santosky v. Kramer, 455 U.S. 745 (1982)

In a long line of cases, we have held that, in addition to the specific freedoms protected by the Bill of Rights, the "liberty" specially protected by the Due Process Clause includes the rights . . . to direct the education and upbringing of one's children. Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997)

The liberty interest at issue in this case-the interest of parents in the care, custody, and control of their children-is perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty interests recognized by this Court.
In light of this extensive precedent, it cannot now be doubted that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment protects the fundamental right of parents to make decisions concerning the care, custody, and control of their children. Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57 (2000)

The test in determining whether a fundamental right has been violated is strict scrutiny the highest level of review that an appellate court may use in reviewing a law or decision with regard to that right.

In short, children are not fully considered citizens under the law. That is the reality. They are in effect chattel of their parents. There is a "best interests of the child standard" but that has to be weighed against the fundamental rights of the parent to exercise their parental rights with regard to that child. Those rights are not easily deprived given that standard.

Had the mother really wanted to protect the minor child from the biological father, she could have remarried and had the step-father adopt the little girl, at which time the biological father's rights could have been terminated. There is a presumption under Oklahoma law that a person who is a convicted sex offender and has offended against the minor child or a sibling of the minor child cannot object to an adoption of that child. So the adoption could have proceeded over his objections, assuming the mother and adoptive father could have shown a court it was in the minor child's best interest. Title 10 O.S. §§ 7505-4.2(I)and (J).

Family law is one of the most frustrating areas of legal practice that there is. Every day there are good decisions and bad decisions. Typically judges do not have backgrounds in counseling, early childhood development, social work, sociology, psychology--all areas of education and play an important part in the issues arising from divorce, paternity and guardianship cases.

Some states have laws that allow a parent to effectively terminate the other parent's rights absent an adoption. Oklahoma repealed those laws in the early 1990s because too many women were doing that at the behest of the biological fathers. It would prevent the state from being able to go after them for repayment of welfare benefits and absolve the men from having to pay child support.
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If we just killed pedophiles, we wouldn't have to worry about their parental rights. So your whole post is BULLSHIT.
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If we just killed pedophiles, we wouldn't have to worry about their parental rights. So your whole post is BULLSHIT.

My post is not bullshit. It was written in response to someone who inquired what the legal precedents were that would allow such an outcome.

Until the law is changed, pedophiles cannot be killed for their crime, so that is not a viable option.
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Never fuck with a father

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

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Written by a fucking MAN!
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Do we know what his allegations against the mother are that he won, in-spite of his conviction for sexual assault on a minor? Do we know his argument(s)? I read the article and it didn't see a wit about that.

And, for those saying we need to keep our noses out of this, isn't it the law that it's our obligation as adults aware of such activity to report it? Can't we be jailed for withholding information about a suspected child abuser? Granted he's been reported, done his time. Still, he's a registered sex offender. If it's something made public, the public is allowed their reaction to said news.

On top of that, the girl says her step brother touched her inappropriately. Where did HE learn that (do we know how old he is)??? So, it's OK to take her away from her mother, send her across the nation to live with an child sex offender whom she barely knows, and a step brother that touches her? Great.

Unless there is some dirt on the mother that is more disgusting than pedophilia, this is a huge pile of shit for the little girl. Far as I can discern, we've not heard why she's unfit to continue to raise this child. Where's the back-story on this part? Since it's not being shared, I'll bet it's a "real pip" (sarcasm).
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If we just killed pedophiles, we wouldn't have to worry about their parental rights. So your whole post is BULLSHIT.

My post is not bullshit. It was written in response to someone who inquired what the legal precedents were that would allow such an outcome.

Until the law is changed, pedophiles cannot be killed for their crime, so that is not a viable option.
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Then we should change the law. Or make it 'common law'.
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I was not in the court room , I didn't not hear either case.
Ill leave the judgments to the professionals.Im sure the judge had all parties best interest at heart.
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Except the child you fucking paedophile!

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