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Christians... The church is dead.

 
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My father was a Urantian... It is more channelled new age garbage... Sorry...
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I was fourty seven when i discovered this book after being a bible reader for more than therty years. I was not member of a church when i discoverd it and took the time to read it slowly and comparated it with my bible knowledge. I acepted it as a guenuine revelation of truth. Remember that Jesu/Michael has all the power...remember the Daniel's prophety etc..

The Urantia book is my new Bible for eight years now.
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The Urantia book is a result of one of the Kellogg brothers... It was all supernaturally channeled... It has the allure of truth because of some scientific matters that were not comprehended at the time.. Like plate tectonics. However.. The fact remains that the book was channeled.. It is demonic. Jesus did NOT die by accident... There are not multiple worlds where "Jesus's" are sent... Urantians are some of the most arrogant lost fucks I have ever met.
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Huh I didn't know that. That's interesting OP. I've seen Urantia mentioned around the net for years but never bothered to follow up much on it cause I got that certain vibe about it if you know what I mean. Not necessarily good or evil, just didn't resonate with me.
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The Urantia book is a result of one of the Kellogg brothers... It was all supernaturally channeled... It has the allure of truth because of some scientific matters that were not comprehended at the time.. Like plate tectonics. However.. The fact remains that the book was channeled.. It is demonic. Jesus did NOT die by accident... There are not multiple worlds where "Jesus's" are sent... Urantians are some of the most arrogant lost fucks I have ever met.
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And now your judgment comes out. Guess you are no different, eh?
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I was raised in the church and turned away from God in my teens and early twenties for all the reasons you stated here. :(

I got lost in the New Age and God convicted me and brought me back to him. It's been almost three years now and I've done more Biblical study a week than I work at my job lol. I find it sad too that I would say 90% of my beliefs are in stark contrast to the organized church because I simply do not see their doctrines supported in the Bible. Most of it is man's traditions, man's ego and pride, man's greed. I had to totally empty my mind of what was indoctrinated into me as a child to see clearly what was being taught in the scriptures. And let me tell you, it is a beautiful, redemptive, and powerful story. :)
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Similar story until I just started learning about the Orthodox Church - I am beginning to believe that they still hold to original Christianity. They are also the ones that are suffering the most horrendous persecution. That alone should say a lot.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
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You are one of the lost in the new age... I've read the garbage too... Jesus is NOT Michael. Honestly.. This thread has no time to be hijacked by the new age crap... We are talking about black and white here... Sinners and how they are saved... Not convoluted bullshit that does nothing but detract from the message of salvation.
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I was raised in the church and turned away from God in my teens and early twenties for all the reasons you stated here. :(

I got lost in the New Age and God convicted me and brought me back to him. It's been almost three years now and I've done more Biblical study a week than I work at my job lol. I find it sad too that I would say 90% of my beliefs are in stark contrast to the organized church because I simply do not see their doctrines supported in the Bible. Most of it is man's traditions, man's ego and pride, man's greed. I had to totally empty my mind of what was indoctrinated into me as a child to see clearly what was being taught in the scriptures. And let me tell you, it is a beautiful, redemptive, and powerful story. :)
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Similar story until I just started learning about the Orthodox Church - I am beginning to believe that they still hold to original Christianity. They are also the ones that are suffering the most horrendous persecution. That alone should say a lot.
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They slaughter JW's as well..does not make em right.

Getting killed does NOT mean you have the actual truth.
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I don't judge Urantians I was just raised around it.. I know it is a lie and very dangerous to walk towards.
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WoW, I pray you all find peace in this life for the next.

It's very difficult I can sympathize with the many posters in here. I gave my life to Jesus may,16th, 2011 and have lost many worldly things. Yet, I've gained soooo much more. I too drank (alcoholic) smoked cigs (pack ana half/day) used drugs (many kinds) hated my job even though it paid well and many other shackles society in general offers.

We are under HEAVY Satanic influences and it's not easy to get out from under it. Op, God bless you for wanting to change and realizing your sins and having the courage to repent.

All I can offer you is encouragement and prayers that Jesus help you on this narrow path.

For me less is more, be quick to listen and slow to speak, so many times my tongue got me in such terrible situations. And finally slow to anger, my temper is vastly improved and is still very much a work in progress.

Best wishes, brother, David.
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^^ here is a Christian^^
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Agreed. and there are many, many more. Even in churches sometimes! :)
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Turn to the word... It warns against channeling.. It represents itself... It testifies that it is the truth.. Nothing needs to be added or detracted. I judge no man... Shit I'm half lit off a half pint of vodka while my wife is bitching at me to move the washer... I'm just here to say what is the truth as I know it.
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I was raised in the church and turned away from God in my teens and early twenties for all the reasons you stated here. :(

I got lost in the New Age and God convicted me and brought me back to him. It's been almost three years now and I've done more Biblical study a week than I work at my job lol. I find it sad too that I would say 90% of my beliefs are in stark contrast to the organized church because I simply do not see their doctrines supported in the Bible. Most of it is man's traditions, man's ego and pride, man's greed. I had to totally empty my mind of what was indoctrinated into me as a child to see clearly what was being taught in the scriptures. And let me tell you, it is a beautiful, redemptive, and powerful story. :)
 Quoting: LunaRabbit


Similar story until I just started learning about the Orthodox Church - I am beginning to believe that they still hold to original Christianity. They are also the ones that are suffering the most horrendous persecution. That alone should say a lot.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


They slaughter JW's as well..does not make em right.

Getting killed does NOT mean you have the actual truth.
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Didn't say it was - just that if you look at who is getting their heads chopped off, you may be able to further discern - it's obvoius that it's not the prosperty and feel good Christian Churches.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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Are you a drug abuser? Welcome to the thread! Had a dick in your mouth or butt? Been there too... Ever robbed someone, hey let's rejoice together. Light can shine in the dark my friends... And it will.
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I was raised in the church and turned away from God in my teens and early twenties for all the reasons you stated here. :(

I got lost in the New Age and God convicted me and brought me back to him. It's been almost three years now and I've done more Biblical study a week than I work at my job lol. I find it sad too that I would say 90% of my beliefs are in stark contrast to the organized church because I simply do not see their doctrines supported in the Bible. Most of it is man's traditions, man's ego and pride, man's greed. I had to totally empty my mind of what was indoctrinated into me as a child to see clearly what was being taught in the scriptures. And let me tell you, it is a beautiful, redemptive, and powerful story. :)
 Quoting: LunaRabbit


Similar story until I just started learning about the Orthodox Church - I am beginning to believe that they still hold to original Christianity. They are also the ones that are suffering the most horrendous persecution. That alone should say a lot.
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They slaughter JW's as well..does not make em right.

Getting killed does NOT mean you have the actual truth.
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Didn't say it was - just that if you look at who is getting their heads chopped off, you may be able to further discern - it's obvoius that it's not the prosperty and feel good Christian Churches.
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Yeah. I know what you mean.

When they finally get slaughtered it wont be because they were christians. It will be because they were anything but.

The world loathes hypocrites.
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I don't judge Urantians I was just raised around it.. I know it is a lie and very dangerous to walk towards.
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THE TIMING OF THE URANTIA BOOK

(Generally designated as)

The Publication Mandate


"We regard the Urantia Book as a feature of the progressive evolution of human society. It is not germane to the spectacular episodes of epochal revolution, even though it may apparently be timed to appear in the wake of one such revolution in human society. The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow the conclusion of the present ideological struggle. That will be the day when men will be willing to seek truth and righteousness. When the chaos of the present confusion has passed, it will be more readily possible to formulate the cosmos of a new and improved era of human relationships. And it is for this better order of affairs on earth that the Book has been made ready.

"But the publication of the Book has not been postponed to that (possibly) somewhat remote date. An early publication of the Book has been provided so that it may be in hand for the training of leaders and teachers. Its presence is also required to engage the attention of persons of means who may be thus led to provide funds for translations into other languages....

[link to www.urantia-canada.org]
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I want to keep this going... All can chime in. I love my atheist brothers as much as I love my fellow Christians. Mind you I smoke pot and have done ALL manner of drugs... Have watched people die from the barrel of a rifle... Have had gay sex... Several times... I am about as holy as an old pair of jeans. I love Jesus.. I just hate modern "Christians". Nuff said.
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First of all if you say you love Christ then do yourself a favor and start acting like Him. If you love Christ like you said you wouldn't be so belligerent towards the Father by using His name in vain, that is a commandment afterall. Thirdly, I have likewise done everything you have done, but my mouth will not defile me as yours is defiling you.
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Did tall hear about the religious(don't remember which one) husband and wife who wouldn't take their son with appendicitis to the hospital? Apparently they thought only praying would heal him. Religion and stupidity don't mix. It's terrifying.
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Did tall hear about the religious(don't remember which one) husband and wife who wouldn't take their son with appendicitis to the hospital? Apparently they thought only praying would heal him. Religion and stupidity don't mix. It's terrifying.
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Forgot the most important part...the son ended up dying.
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I don't judge Urantians I was just raised around it.. I know it is a lie and very dangerous to walk towards.
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THE TIMING OF THE URANTIA BOOK

(Generally designated as)

The Publication Mandate


"We regard the Urantia Book as a feature of the progressive evolution of human society. It is not germane to the spectacular episodes of epochal revolution, even though it may apparently be timed to appear in the wake of one such revolution in human society. The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow the conclusion of the present ideological struggle. That will be the day when men will be willing to seek truth and righteousness. When the chaos of the present confusion has passed, it will be more readily possible to formulate the cosmos of a new and improved era of human relationships. And it is for this better order of affairs on earth that the Book has been made ready.

"But the publication of the Book has not been postponed to that (possibly) somewhat remote date. An early publication of the Book has been provided so that it may be in hand for the training of leaders and teachers. Its presence is also required to engage the attention of persons of means who may be thus led to provide funds for translations into other languages....

[link to www.urantia-canada.org]
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Did tall hear about the religious(don't remember which one) husband and wife who wouldn't take their son with appendicitis to the hospital? Apparently they thought only praying would heal him. Religion and stupidity don't mix. It's terrifying.
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Religion is what is killing this world
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I don't judge Urantians I was just raised around it.. I know it is a lie and very dangerous to walk towards.
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THE TIMING OF THE URANTIA BOOK

(Generally designated as)

The Publication Mandate


"We regard the Urantia Book as a feature of the progressive evolution of human society. It is not germane to the spectacular episodes of epochal revolution, even though it may apparently be timed to appear in the wake of one such revolution in human society. The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow the conclusion of the present ideological struggle. That will be the day when men will be willing to seek truth and righteousness. When the chaos of the present confusion has passed, it will be more readily possible to formulate the cosmos of a new and improved era of human relationships. And it is for this better order of affairs on earth that the Book has been made ready.

"But the publication of the Book has not been postponed to that (possibly) somewhat remote date. An early publication of the Book has been provided so that it may be in hand for the training of leaders and teachers. Its presence is also required to engage the attention of persons of means who may be thus led to provide funds for translations into other languages....

[link to www.urantia-canada.org]
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Thank you
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Christ came for a threefold purpose into this world. To share the manifest glory of God in the flesh. To teach and lead by example the way of righteousness and humility, and finally to be condemned and rejected for the sins of the world. The church today has become a far cry from these initial precepts of faith. It is a rotten corpse that scarcely resembles anything truly "Christian". Today it is about "feeling" not faith. A typical church today is concerned with attendance and green paper. They achieve the first by spouting a hollow, generic "feel good" message that tip-toes on scripture like a robber in your home. They maintain the second by reminding you of your destination if you falter from THEIR definition of faith. Any true Christian today should be not only disgusted by the wickedness of the world at large... It should abhor the very four walls that have the audacity to call themselves a church in the first place. I instead call it a God rackett. Apostasy has set in like gangrene... Listen to any radio "ministry" you can always get the pastors message for a donation of X... God's word and message are the good news... Free to all who have ears to hear. Do you think when Christ sent out the apostles by 2's that after telling them NOT to take a coat... No money... No staff... That he finished with "and make sure you extort those who listen... You know to maintain your ministry". The fact that those who are proclaimed Athiests or agnostic have such a hard time digesting the truth of the word does not surprise me... The typical "Christian" today is a joke... A person who likes to compare clothing on Sunday. A person so brainwashed by religion they don't even know what they believe. Walking in Jesus is not easy... And defending the faith is even harder. I was saved because God found me... Not because I was pressured to walk forward to a pulpit. I haven't set foot in a "Church" in over 15 years... And you won't find me in one until we all make an account of our lives before God himself.
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Frankly I think there are too many "brethren" like you who thinks you're better and more holy than all the others. You have your own ministry of pointing out whats wrong with others. Get a real ministry and until then shut the pie hole.
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You must go to church with a REAL convincing "pastor"
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Um no bubblehead. I have not attended in maybe 7 years but not because Im so much better than all of them.
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Similar story until I just started learning about the Orthodox Church - I am beginning to believe that they still hold to original Christianity. They are also the ones that are suffering the most horrendous persecution. That alone should say a lot.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


They slaughter JW's as well..does not make em right.

Getting killed does NOT mean you have the actual truth.
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Didn't say it was - just that if you look at who is getting their heads chopped off, you may be able to further discern - it's obvoius that it's not the prosperty and feel good Christian Churches.
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Yeah. I know what you mean.

When they finally get slaughtered it wont be because they were christians. It will be because they were anything but.

The world loathes hypocrites.
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according to Revelations, it's the real Christians that are martyred - others die but not because they are Christians
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Did tall hear about the religious(don't remember which one) husband and wife who wouldn't take their son with appendicitis to the hospital? Apparently they thought only praying would heal him. Religion and stupidity don't mix. It's terrifying.
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Forgot the most important part...the son ended up dying.
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And this is your excuse for asking Jesus to save you? That won't fly on your judgement day. Be sure you also tell Jesus about the inquistions, bad preachers, nasty nuns, lying and cheating in the body of Christ. Maybe He'll letcha slide....not!
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I was just going to post a thread " why know one goes to church anymore"

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Haven't gone in years , not going back!

I don't see one pastor in this nation telling it how it really is!

Well? Maybe one in Scottsdale AZ, he goes around terrorizing cops and Government authorities , he has videos up on dork tube!

If Pastors decided they were not afraid anymore and started telling it straight people would come back!

Some one posted above about Christians being afraid of this or that?

Behold .......I was born on April,19 1974 that was Easter Sunday , my mother was hit by a car and forced into labor ........I fear nothing

Thank you for posting this thread, I agree the Church is dead but " Christ" is still King!
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Did tall hear about the religious(don't remember which one) husband and wife who wouldn't take their son with appendicitis to the hospital? Apparently they thought only praying would heal him. Religion and stupidity don't mix. It's terrifying.
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Forgot the most important part...the son ended up dying.
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And this is your excuse for asking Jesus to save you? That won't fly on your judgement day. Be sure you also tell Jesus about the inquistions, bad preachers, nasty nuns, lying and cheating in the body of Christ. Maybe He'll letcha slide....not!
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correction: for NOT asking Jesus to save you, lol!
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They slaughter JW's as well..does not make em right.

Getting killed does NOT mean you have the actual truth.
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Didn't say it was - just that if you look at who is getting their heads chopped off, you may be able to further discern - it's obvoius that it's not the prosperty and feel good Christian Churches.
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Yeah. I know what you mean.

When they finally get slaughtered it wont be because they were christians. It will be because they were anything but.

The world loathes hypocrites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35536879


according to Revelations, it's the real Christians that are martyred - others die but not because they are Christians
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Thats what I meant.

They will die because they are hypocrites.

The world will turn on them for being the lying two faced hypocrites they are.

They wont die easily either.

The true chistians will just be beheadded.

The fake ones will be tortured to death.
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I was just going to post a thread " why know one goes to church anymore"

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You may be interested in reading this book: "So You Don't Want to Go to Church Any More." You can even read it online if you don't want to buy a copy.

[link to www.jakecolsen.com]

At the bottom of the page, you can click on links for each chapter.
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I was just going to post a thread " why know one goes to church anymore"

Logged in and thank you for posting!

Haven't gone in years , not going back!

I don't see one pastor in this nation telling it how it really is!

Well? Maybe one in Scottsdale AZ, he goes around terrorizing cops and Government authorities , he has videos up on dork tube!

If Pastors decided they were not afraid anymore and started telling it straight people would come back!

Some one posted above about Christians being afraid of this or that?

Behold .......I was born on April,19 1974 that was Easter Sunday , my mother was hit by a car and forced into labor ........I fear nothing

Thank you for posting this thread, I agree the Church is dead but " Christ" is still King!
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74 was a special year! There are some that were born in this year that have been awakened from their sleep. I, myself, being one of them.
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Didn't say it was - just that if you look at who is getting their heads chopped off, you may be able to further discern - it's obvoius that it's not the prosperty and feel good Christian Churches.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Yeah. I know what you mean.

When they finally get slaughtered it wont be because they were christians. It will be because they were anything but.

The world loathes hypocrites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35536879


according to Revelations, it's the real Christians that are martyred - others die but not because they are Christians
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Thats what I meant.

They will die because they are hypocrites.

The world will turn on them for being the lying two faced hypocrites they are.

They wont die easily either.

The true chistians will just be beheadded.

The fake ones will be tortured to death.
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Got it

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
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or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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The church invisible is simply the body of Christ, it doesn't require bricks and mortar.
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Re: Christians... The church is dead.
Christ came for a threefold purpose into this world. To share the manifest glory of God in the flesh. To teach and lead by example the way of righteousness and humility, and finally to be condemned and rejected for the sins of the world. The church today has become a far cry from these initial precepts of faith. It is a rotten corpse that scarcely resembles anything truly "Christian". Today it is about "feeling" not faith. A typical church today is concerned with attendance and green paper. They achieve the first by spouting a hollow, generic "feel good" message that tip-toes on scripture like a robber in your home. They maintain the second by reminding you of your destination if you falter from THEIR definition of faith. Any true Christian today should be not only disgusted by the wickedness of the world at large... It should abhor the very four walls that have the audacity to call themselves a church in the first place. I instead call it a God rackett. Apostasy has set in like gangrene... Listen to any radio "ministry" you can always get the pastors message for a donation of X... God's word and message are the good news... Free to all who have ears to hear. Do you think when Christ sent out the apostles by 2's that after telling them NOT to take a coat... No money... No staff... That he finished with "and make sure you extort those who listen... You know to maintain your ministry". The fact that those who are proclaimed Athiests or agnostic have such a hard time digesting the truth of the word does not surprise me... The typical "Christian" today is a joke... A person who likes to compare clothing on Sunday. A person so brainwashed by religion they don't even know what they believe. Walking in Jesus is not easy... And defending the faith is even harder. I was saved because God found me... Not because I was pressured to walk forward to a pulpit. I haven't set foot in a "Church" in over 15 years... And you won't find me in one until we all make an account of our lives before God himself.
 Quoting: ThoughtFelony


"Do you think when Christ sent out the apostles by 2's that after telling them NOT to take a coat... No money... No staff... That he finished with "and make sure you extort those who listen... You know to maintain your ministry"."

you imply that they were never intended to have things.
I guess you missed reading this part of the Gospel:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you forth without purse, and wallet, and shoes, lacked ye anything? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 And he said unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet; and he that hath none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword.
Not that I don't entirely agree, that there are to many charlatans and to much greed going on.
Yet there is a place for donations to the church and to pay for a pastor.
Ministries that pay their leaders in the 6 figure bracket are a problem. So are any non profits, like Goodwill Industries that pays similarly, though.

Not all Pastors or Ministries are in it for the money, but it has corrupted many a man and ministry.

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