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Christians... The church is dead.

 
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Are you a drug abuser? Welcome to the thread! Had a dick in your mouth or butt? Been there too... Ever robbed someone, hey let's rejoice together. Light can shine in the dark my friends... And it will.
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Well that was edifying.

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The only time i go to church is when the circumstance puts me there. There is nothing new to learn from the church, and i feel that the majority of the people who go also have a "I'm holier then thow" complex. I have learned all i need to know and no longer feel that it has anything to teach me. I harbor no hatred towards those who chose to go but choose not to myself.
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Indeed. One of my favorite quotes is something along the lines of "Religions are playpens designed to keep us out of trouble until we mature enough to climb out and walk with the Father"
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yeah, school for sinners type of thing.
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Christ came for a threefold purpose into this world. To share the manifest glory of God in the flesh. To teach and lead by example the way of righteousness and humility, and finally to be condemned and rejected for the sins of the world. The church today has become a far cry from these initial precepts of faith. It is a rotten corpse that scarcely resembles anything truly "Christian". Today it is about "feeling" not faith. A typical church today is concerned with attendance and green paper. They achieve the first by spouting a hollow, generic "feel good" message that tip-toes on scripture like a robber in your home. They maintain the second by reminding you of your destination if you falter from THEIR definition of faith. Any true Christian today should be not only disgusted by the wickedness of the world at large... It should abhor the very four walls that have the audacity to call themselves a church in the first place. I instead call it a God rackett. Apostasy has set in like gangrene... Listen to any radio "ministry" you can always get the pastors message for a donation of X... God's word and message are the good news... Free to all who have ears to hear. Do you think when Christ sent out the apostles by 2's that after telling them NOT to take a coat... No money... No staff... That he finished with "and make sure you extort those who listen... You know to maintain your ministry". The fact that those who are proclaimed Athiests or agnostic have such a hard time digesting the truth of the word does not surprise me... The typical "Christian" today is a joke... A person who likes to compare clothing on Sunday. A person so brainwashed by religion they don't even know what they believe. Walking in Jesus is not easy... And defending the faith is even harder. I was saved because God found me... Not because I was pressured to walk forward to a pulpit. I haven't set foot in a "Church" in over 15 years... And you won't find me in one until we all make an account of our lives before God himself.
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Good on ya OP you understand at last the TRUTH..and here it is..the TRUTH about the modern church.

The modern Christian

1)First ya have to say a sinners prayer.

2)Then you have to go to church three times a week(At least)..each time giving ten percent of whats in your wallet to the fat dude up the front who drives luxury cars and lives in a mansion.

3)Then you have to learn to hate everyone else thats NOT a fundie seeing them as doomed and not worth your trouble to love or help or feed..as ALL your time and money gets dedicated to the fat greedy pastor up the front..

4)After a while you have to learn to HATE all other fundies or denominations with a PASSION and see THEM as wrong and DOOMED as well..if they so much as disagree with your denominations view on what day to worship..or what to eat..or the rapture debate..or even if adam had a belly button. (Ive seen churches coime apart over this..seriously)

5)You also must LOOK like the world...dress like the world..act like the world...set your church up to look like a rock concert hall..and fornicate and divorce and sleep around with all the women in the church..all the while condemning others of the world who do this. In short..you have to be as CLOSE as possible to what the world IS..but EXCUSE all your "Sins" with the "Im not perfect..just forgiven CRAP"

After doing all of this..THEN..you just might..according to THEM..be worthy of heaven.

THEN...if you do what THEY do (FORGET what they SAY..if you DO what THEY do)..you will feel offended by simple truths like this....

I remember reading in there somewhere where Jesus was having trouble with the puffed up pharisees..who JUST like todays modern so called "Christians"..were giving him a hard time over “doctrinal” issues..and he said to them..something like..

"The drunkards and the prostitutes and the tax men swindlers will get into the kingdom before you."

From what I can ascertain from it..its the ORDINARY "Sinners" who Jesus was referring to who would be more WORTHY of the kingdom then the pharisitical religious ones of the day.

I suppose its because its better to be an HONEST sinner than a DISHONEST lying saint in the end.

God will save according to whats on the heart..ACCORDING to the bible..JESUS own words..yep..he SAID it...

Something about sheep and goats...one lot GAVE a toss about others...and another lot DID NOT..

It said NOTHING about "Did you say a prayer and accept Jesus into you heart"..THAT rubbish aint even IN the Bible..id LOVE to know where they got the "Sinners prayer" GARBAGE from..cause it just aint IN there.

NO..from what JESUS himself actually SAID...its sheep..or its GOATS..right?..and WHAT was the DIFFERENCE between these sheep and goats??

ON the surface..NO difference..BOTH lots claimed "Salvation"....and BOTH used his name..and did miracles..and this and that IN Jesus name..

..so WHY were ONE lot sheep..and the OTHER lot GOATS?????

BECAUSE..ONE lot was UNSELFISH..CARING..VISITED POOR DUDES IN PRISON..CLOTHED THE NAKED...GAVE TO THE POOR AND NEEDY..AND ASKED NOTHING IN RETURN..they were HUMBLE..and POLITE and full of LOVE.

The GOATS..SAID all the "RIGHT" words...they SPOKE the LINGO..but they just DID NOT GIVE a FLYING @&^$ about ANYONE but themselves. They spent their time debating and arguing or do any GOOD for anyone..they just DID NOT CARE about ANYone but THEMSELVES...

And if these goats DID do something..cause they all said something like "But Lord..we did many miracles in your name..and cast out demons and stuff..AD NAUSEUM.."

They did it FOR SELFISH GAIN..to be NOTICED....or to make LOTS OF MONEY from MOVIES and BOOKS and NEW AGE GARBAGE like the "LEFT BEHIND" series which made MILLIONS..while the poor and the needy STARVED AND DIED!..they have ZERO Love..ZERO humility..and STUFF ALL COURAGE...they IGNORE the POOR..live in multi million dollar MANSIONS.


While SO many are STARVING..NEW AGE WOLVES like COPELAND and HINN and DUPLANTIS and that DOLLAR viper..live like KINGS on the MONEY they BILKED AND CONNED out of the "NEW AGE SHEEP....who followed so BLINDLY that lakeland CRAP which was the EPITOME of UTTER HIPOCRISY...

What does Jesus say to these NEW AGE "BELIEVERS" EH???

DEPART from me ye WORKERS of utter GARBAGE AND LIES....cause I NEVER KNEW YOU...

Jesus said something about VOMITING these greedy self serving creatures out of his mouth.

Week after week you turn up..hand over all your money for new seats and screens and better air con..while the poor and the hungry just down the road STARVE!!!

While the fat assed pastor..fat gutted and lazy..preaches about FASTING??...and MORE money..and MORE money..for the never ending BUILDING program that all churches seem to have.

STUFF the poor..WHO CARES about the needy..and TOUGH LUCK for the people of the world..cause they are all gonna BURN right??

ALL YOU have to do is keep turning up with wallet OPEN..and BRAIN disengaged..to feed the never ending circle of NEW AGE EASY LISTENING FLESH PLEASING GARBAGE..GIVE to get...get PISSED on the holy spirit..ALWAYS about FEELING GOOD..SELF SELF SELF..always thinking of your SELF!!!

This lot ONLY care about what THEY can get..they dont give a flying *#$% about the hurting,,the needy...the downtrodden..they FLY IN THE FACE OF EVERYTHING JESUS EVER TAUGHT!!!

IN the name of MONEY!!!

MONEY and FEELINGS is their GOD!!!!

"BUt but..we give money to the poor"....they might say..

WHAT OF IT??

They DO it ONLY to win a few more BROWNIE POINTS...they DONT do it cause you really CARE!!!!..they do it ONLY so they have a better chance of being raptured..or getting some reward..or feeling better..or being blessed more..

THEY JUST DONT CARE!!!...and when they DO..its all a NEW AGE FEEL GOOD "BLESS ME BLESS ME" SHOW!!

They have turned the TRUTH into a way to FEEL GOOD..ESCAPE DOOM..and MAKE MONEY..and GET BLESSED!!!

THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING EXCEPT what THEY WANT to hear..and they KNOW ONLY WHAT THEY HEARD!!

They WILL ignore everything I am saying now FOR THIS REASON!!

They will READ this...and say "THATS NOT ME..I DONT DO THAT!!

Well...every time they walk into a church and open their wallets up..

THEY DO!!

THEY FEED THE MACHINE..the money making machine..IDOLATRY!!!!

WHEN will these new age easy road zero suffering fat lazy so called christians realise its NOT A GAME!!!

ITS NOT a "BLESS ME FEEL GOOD CLUB"

But thats how its TREATED.

I went to these churches,, ..for the last 40 years..ive seen em all slide into utter hypocrisy..thinking they are OH so HOLY..and going to heaven.

WHAT JOKE its become...

And they will ALWAYS EXCUSE this with..

"WE ARE NOT PERFECT..JUST FORGIVEN"

WHAT a lot of GARBAGE,,a SELF justifying concience excusing load of UTTER CRAP!!

Jesus had something to say about this shit..here..ill spell it out in todays lingo..to fit todays circumstances.

MATTHEW 23
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.


Yeah..this lot LOVES to preach a whole lot of HIPOCRITICAL CONDEMING SOUL TEARING MIND NUMBING CRAP which turns people AWAY from the TRUE way...with smooth deceptive words and well worded sermons designed to feed their WALLETS..and make MILLIONS from the endless LIES of TWISTED SCRIPTURE(The left behind movies and books)....

WHY wont they do what he SAYS?..They wont enter in THEMSELVES..and by their UTTERLY ABOMINABLE BEHAVIOUR AND EXAMPLE...no one ELSE wants to either because they LOOK at these pathetic easy living cowardly liars and think..RIGHTLY SO..that CHRISTIANS are NOTHING BUT A PACK OF ARGUING SELF CENTERED GREEDY ADULTEROUS LYING HYPOCRITES


14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Yeah..they just LOVE the OH SO HOLY prayers..babbling away in tongues and blaspheming the holy spirit with their UTTER ABOMINATIONS (Getting DRUNK on the holy spirit)..THIS according to THE BIBLE is what they do..USING something HOLY to make MONEY..is BLASHEMY..and using the holy spirit to promote your MONEY MAKING LIES is BLASPHEMY against the HOLY SPIRIT...ACCORDING to THEIR OWN BIBLE...they DO feed on widows houses..they rake in offerings year after year..from old widows who are too weak to resist the SNARES you set..SHAME on them...these pathetic LIFE destroying VIPERS!!

But wait,,,there is MORE.....

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Yeah..they do this too..seeking ever more victims...who start out as ordinary people...they prey on their fear..their terror..with stories of DOOM and HELLFIRE..you convert them..and then turn THEM TOO..into the SAME brand of UTTER HIPOCRITES AS THEM!!!

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Yeah,,they LOVE to rake ya tithes in dont they??..they ONLY pay it to get BLESSED..its all based on GREED and SELFISHNESS.IF they really GAVE a toss about anyone but themselves..they would GIVE that money to the POOR and the HUNGRY..BUT NO..they give it to these SWINDLERS to put new STAGES and SCREENS in their churches..to buy in the latest christian ROCK BAND..so they can ACT just like the WORLD they always CONDEMN....


BUT the list of their SHAME goes ON..(I could write a BOOK on their long trail of HIPOCRISY..)

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Yeah..they LOVE to turn up to church..all spiffy looking..all smiles...but within its all pure HELL..as they battle with the FACADE..hoping the REAL human they are deep inside does not SHOW..as they battle with LUST and ANGER..and HATE..and all the while jealousy and envy grows..and greed..and slander....while church after church falls apart as minister after minister is caught YET again with their cock frimly planted in the vagina of a woman who is NOT THEIRS...HINN..SWAGGART..all of em..BENTLY..what a total FARCE you vipers are...and you know what????ONE common DENOMINATOR among all of these CHARLATANS???.....MONEY MONEY GREED AND MORE MONEY..and ADULTERY

BUT the list goes ON.....

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

They look all clean..but inside they are DIRTY LUSTFUL COWARDLY SELFISH VIPERS.

And THIS according to THE BIBLE..is WHAT Jesus is gonna DO to LIARS LIKE THEM....

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Let me break this down a bit so these heartless vipers can FINALLY understand it eh??


8 But the fearful,

(YEP..thats THE NEW AGE CHRISTIAN RAPTURE ADDICTS..always AFRAID and wanting to get OUTTA here while everyone else BURNS

and unbelieving,

(Yep..thats this lot TOO..cause if they actually BELIEVED the bible like they SAY they do..they would NOT be such a bunch of loveless lying hipocritical LIARS)

and the abominable,

(Yes..thats this lot too..their behaviour towards their brothers and the rest of the world is just ABOMINABLE!...an ABOMINATION!!

and murderers,

(HOW many widows have died in their homes..MURDERED by their lack of funds for more medicine because THEY conned them out of their money??..or told sick people to STOP taking their medicine because if they did NOT they lacked FATH and God would not heal them..PURE rubbish and LIES..they are WORSE than JWS refusing blood to dying children in need of a blood transfusion)

and whoremongers,

(Yep..how many of them secretly sleep around..or lust after women or men in their heart?..whoreing after flesh or money..or gain..THIS is what it means..a deep endless lusting to GRATIFY THEMSELVES)

and sorcerers,

(AHH yes..the MAIN one that the pastors of these illuminati NEW AGE CON artists love..sorcery..beguiling with words..using the "Anointing" like a drug..when its ALL just a manufactured atmosphere brought about to BEWITCH and SWINDLE..and THIS is what it means)

and idolaters,

(Idolatry..the modern churches FAVOURITE passtime..they worship WORSHIP..and FEELINGS..and PEOPLE..and MONEY..and BOOKS..and MOVIES..seems they idolise ANYTHING..but GOD..what a bunchh of UTTER AND TOTAL LIARS)

and all liars,shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

SELF explainatory is it NOT?)

8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Need I say more???
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I want to keep this going... All can chime in. I love my atheist brothers as much as I love my fellow Christians. Mind you I smoke pot and have done ALL manner of drugs... Have watched people die from the barrel of a rifle... Have had gay sex... Several times... I am about as holy as an old pair of jeans. I love Jesus.. I just hate modern "Christians". Nuff said.
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Absolutely. I was an alcoholic veteran sitting on my couch wondering why I had done the things I had done... Wondering what the hell we were doing as a nation. Then I just became "aware". I'm still an alcoholic... Still struggle with life as a whole. But I know the truth... It has set me free.. And I firmly believe the greatest damage being done to Christianity today is not from the world... Not from non-believers... It comes from the places that call themselves a Church. A bunch of smug walled up assholes anymore. I want to see Joel Osteen welcome a filthy vagrant into his 50,000 plus congregation and share the gospel with him without shame. I bet there is more cash flow in just attire and vehicles on a Sunday at his fortress than the GDP of some small nations.
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add Joyce Meiers to that list too. Millionare pastors lving amongst the poor. Hmm, James 5 anyone?

Many blessings to you guys in the Name of our Lord
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Absolutely. I was an alcoholic veteran sitting on my couch wondering why I had done the things I had done... Wondering what the hell we were doing as a nation. Then I just became "aware". I'm still an alcoholic... Still struggle with life as a whole. But I know the truth... It has set me free.. And I firmly believe the greatest damage being done to Christianity today is not from the world... Not from non-believers... It comes from the places that call themselves a Church. A bunch of smug walled up assholes anymore. I want to see Joel Osteen welcome a filthy vagrant into his 50,000 plus congregation and share the gospel with him without shame. I bet there is more cash flow in just attire and vehicles on a Sunday at his fortress than the GDP of some small nations.
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add Joyce Meiers to that list too. Millionare pastors lving amongst the poor. Hmm, James 5 anyone?

Many blessings to you guys in the Name of our Lord
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Yep..she is part of the farce.

Add her name into the list and anyone else you can think of.

Copy it..print it out..email it our to the world as much and as fast as you can.

MAKE a difference.
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74 was a special year! There are some that were born in this year that have been awakened from their sleep. I, myself, being one of them.
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many precursors in that year

The only time i go to church is when the circumstance puts me there. There is nothing new to learn from the church, and i feel that the majority of the people who go also have a "I'm holier then thow" complex. I have learned all i need to know and no longer feel that it has anything to teach me. I harbor no hatred towards those who chose to go but choose not to myself.
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The One and Only reason every Christian should feel to go to mass is to remember Jesus, and eat His Holy Body...

Still today exist Holy Servants where Transubstantiation take place, just find them
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I never understood why people would want to eat the body and drink wine. I never felt like it was the right thing for me to do.
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The blood is the spirit and the body is the Word! The Roman Church changed it into the sac religious Pagan Act of perpetual death. Anyone with an IQ over 45 can see this.
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Well that explains why i never wanted to do it...lol its just frackin wierd
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The One and Only reason every Christian should feel to go to mass is to remember Jesus, and eat His Holy Body...

Still today exist Holy Servants where Transubstantiation take place, just find them
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Nothing more then a Satanic ritual at best. It completely goes against the words spoken by the Savior Himself, it is over and finished! Yet, you're blood thirsty cult formed by Constantine made it into a Pagan Ritual.

Breaking of bread is only suppose to occur on Passover. What celebration/Feast was Christ celebrating that night? Passover, duh!

Christ was and is the new covenant, the Passover Covenant, duh!


- Maybe u r an apostle reincarnated, please provide hints of that night, im open minded...

- new covenant, yes...prophesied by several prophets...the One israelites are still waitin for

"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him."

John 6,54-56


The One and Only reason every Christian should feel to go to mass is to remember Jesus, and eat His Holy Body...

Still today exist Holy Servants where Transubstantiation take place, just find them
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I never understood why people would want to eat the body and drink wine. I never felt like it was the right thing for me to do.


To try to provide him/herself Holy Mystical Union
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Christ came for a threefold purpose into this world. To share the manifest glory of God in the flesh. To teach and lead by example the way of righteousness and humility, and finally to be condemned and rejected for the sins of the world. The church today has become a far cry from these initial precepts of faith. It is a rotten corpse that scarcely resembles anything truly "Christian". Today it is about "feeling" not faith. A typical church today is concerned with attendance and green paper. They achieve the first by spouting a hollow, generic "feel good" message that tip-toes on scripture like a robber in your home. They maintain the second by reminding you of your destination if you falter from THEIR definition of faith. Any true Christian today should be not only disgusted by the wickedness of the world at large... It should abhor the very four walls that have the audacity to call themselves a church in the first place. I instead call it a God rackett. Apostasy has set in like gangrene... Listen to any radio "ministry" you can always get the pastors message for a donation of X... God's word and message are the good news... Free to all who have ears to hear. Do you think when Christ sent out the apostles by 2's that after telling them NOT to take a coat... No money... No staff... That he finished with "and make sure you extort those who listen... You know to maintain your ministry". The fact that those who are proclaimed Athiests or agnostic have such a hard time digesting the truth of the word does not surprise me... The typical "Christian" today is a joke... A person who likes to compare clothing on Sunday. A person so brainwashed by religion they don't even know what they believe. Walking in Jesus is not easy... And defending the faith is even harder. I was saved because God found me... Not because I was pressured to walk forward to a pulpit. I haven't set foot in a "Church" in over 15 years... And you won't find me in one until we all make an account of our lives before God himself.
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Dead because they drove out grace with hell.
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I had a thought about the Resurrection of the dead brought about by the Apocalypse... but what if it isn't a physical Resurrection of the dead but just that the Resurrection itself was meant to mean that it was the return of something that had already happened in the past with the same people playing it out. It was just a thought.

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74 was a special year! There are some that were born in this year that have been awakened from their sleep. I, myself, being one of them.
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many precursors in that year

The only time i go to church is when the circumstance puts me there. There is nothing new to learn from the church, and i feel that the majority of the people who go also have a "I'm holier then thow" complex. I have learned all i need to know and no longer feel that it has anything to teach me. I harbor no hatred towards those who chose to go but choose not to myself.
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The One and Only reason every Christian should feel to go to mass is to remember Jesus, and eat His Holy Body...

Still today exist Holy Servants where Transubstantiation take place, just find them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42465734

I never understood why people would want to eat the body and drink wine. I never felt like it was the right thing for me to do.
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The blood is the spirit and the body is the Word! The Roman Church changed it into the sac religious Pagan Act of perpetual death. Anyone with an IQ over 45 can see this.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Yup...

"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted"

Mt 23, 12

"Once more the humble will rejoice in the Lord;
the needy will rejoice in the Holy One of Israel."

Isa 29,19
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the bible says where two or three are gathered together in my name, there will I be also.

It is important to note here, Jesus Christ does not like you to be alone. Your faith in Jesus Christ means nothing if you are alone.

I believe it is better to meet with 2 or 3 people, everyday, than to meet with hundreds for one hour a week, during which you don't really talk to eachother.
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the bible says where two or three are gathered together in my name, there will I be also.

It is important to note here, Jesus Christ does not like you to be alone. Your faith in Jesus Christ means nothing if you are alone.

I believe it is better to meet with 2 or 3 people, everyday, than to meet with hundreds for one hour a week, during which you don't really talk to each other.
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Otherwise, fellowship devolves to staring at the back of the head of the person in the pew in front of you.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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the bible also says, where you are gathered together. Meaning in eachother's physical presence. not on the internet. Gathered together on the internet is pretty meaningless, because where 2 or 3 are gathered on the internet, there will be gobs of trolls and demons trying to rent asunder anything you try to achieve, and you are letting the demons eavesdrop on your conversations.

Understand demons cannot penetrate your minds when the HOly Spirit is with you and that is very important, the shield of the lord is just as important as the sword.
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the bible also says, where you are gathered together. Meaning in eachother's physical presence. not on the internet. Gathered together on the internet is pretty meaningless, because where 2 or 3 are gathered on the internet, there will be gobs of trolls and demons trying to rent asunder anything you try to achieve, and you are letting the demons eavesdrop on your conversations.

Understand demons cannot penetrate your minds when the HOly Spirit is with you and that is very important, the shield of the lord is just as important as the sword.
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I disagree. Didn't Paul meet with the Corinthians "in spirit" and by letter? Trolls or not, fellowship is fellowship, a meeting of minds and hearts. And people can meet in private chat rooms or message boards if they want to. Also, are you saying demons can't listen in if people are physically near each other? There is no proof that this makes any difference. They can hear as well as read.

The Holy Spirit is not limited by distance.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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it is important to remember that Satan controls the world banking system and through this he can buy people with big buildings, renting big concert halls.

most of your big churches are built with loans from masonic banks. Masons preach Jesus Christ is a myth, and you will see in those buildings all sorts of blasphemy encoded into the architecture.


I saw one church where the altar was cleverly disguised as a woman's vulva, the ceiling lamps where made to look like breasts, it was all so subtle yet unmistakable.
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it is important to remember that Satan controls the world banking system and through this he can buy people with big buildings, renting big concert halls.

most of your big churches are built with loans from masonic banks. Masons preach Jesus Christ is a myth, and you will see in those buildings all sorts of blasphemy encoded into the architecture.


I saw one church where the altar was cleverly disguised as a woman's vulva, the ceiling lamps where made to look like breasts, it was all so subtle yet unmistakable.
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Yep ive seen that in stacks of churches.
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Christ never taught in a church, they gathered in people's houses and he taught crowds in the outdoors.

I believe he did that for a reason, to show that money should not be your consideration for who to follow, do not follow someone because they got money to build a big building, better you ask where they got the money from.

Satan uses the power of money to lead the majority astray, through the wide path to destruction, and that means with the big buildings and the televangelist prosperity messages with their jet airliners and mansions.

You may say why doesn't Jesus strike those people dead for mocking Christianity, why are there soooo many that seem to mock Christianity? It almost seems like that is the actual Christian religion, Christianity IS a mockery of true Godliness and goodness. You might just come to that conclusion. That it is a trick of the devil to turn you into a fool.
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Christ came for a threefold purpose into this world. To share the manifest glory of God in the flesh. To teach and lead by example the way of righteousness and humility, and finally to be condemned and rejected for the sins of the world. The church today has become a far cry from these initial precepts of faith. It is a rotten corpse that scarcely resembles anything truly "Christian". Today it is about "feeling" not faith. A typical church today is concerned with attendance and green paper. They achieve the first by spouting a hollow, generic "feel good" message that tip-toes on scripture like a robber in your home. They maintain the second by reminding you of your destination if you falter from THEIR definition of faith. Any true Christian today should be not only disgusted by the wickedness of the world at large... It should abhor the very four walls that have the audacity to call themselves a church in the first place. I instead call it a God rackett. Apostasy has set in like gangrene... Listen to any radio "ministry" you can always get the pastors message for a donation of X... God's word and message are the good news... Free to all who have ears to hear. Do you think when Christ sent out the apostles by 2's that after telling them NOT to take a coat... No money... No staff... That he finished with "and make sure you extort those who listen... You know to maintain your ministry". The fact that those who are proclaimed Athiests or agnostic have such a hard time digesting the truth of the word does not surprise me... The typical "Christian" today is a joke... A person who likes to compare clothing on Sunday. A person so brainwashed by religion they don't even know what they believe. Walking in Jesus is not easy... And defending the faith is even harder. I was saved because God found me... Not because I was pressured to walk forward to a pulpit. I haven't set foot in a "Church" in over 15 years... And you won't find me in one until we all make an account of our lives before God himself.
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Good on ya OP you understand at last the TRUTH..and here it is..the TRUTH about the modern church.

The modern Christian

1)First ya have to say a sinners prayer.

2)Then you have to go to church three times a week(At least)..each time giving ten percent of whats in your wallet to the fat dude up the front who drives luxury cars and lives in a mansion.

3)Then you have to learn to hate everyone else thats NOT a fundie seeing them as doomed and not worth your trouble to love or help or feed..as ALL your time and money gets dedicated to the fat greedy pastor up the front..

4)After a while you have to learn to HATE all other fundies or denominations with a PASSION and see THEM as wrong and DOOMED as well..if they so much as disagree with your denominations view on what day to worship..or what to eat..or the rapture debate..or even if adam had a belly button. (Ive seen churches coime apart over this..seriously)

5)You also must LOOK like the world...dress like the world..act like the world...set your church up to look like a rock concert hall..and fornicate and divorce and sleep around with all the women in the church..all the while condemning others of the world who do this. In short..you have to be as CLOSE as possible to what the world IS..but EXCUSE all your "Sins" with the "Im not perfect..just forgiven CRAP"

After doing all of this..THEN..you just might..according to THEM..be worthy of heaven.

THEN...if you do what THEY do (FORGET what they SAY..if you DO what THEY do)..you will feel offended by simple truths like this....

I remember reading in there somewhere where Jesus was having trouble with the puffed up pharisees..who JUST like todays modern so called "Christians"..were giving him a hard time over “doctrinal” issues..and he said to them..something like..

"The drunkards and the prostitutes and the tax men swindlers will get into the kingdom before you."

From what I can ascertain from it..its the ORDINARY "Sinners" who Jesus was referring to who would be more WORTHY of the kingdom then the pharisitical religious ones of the day.

I suppose its because its better to be an HONEST sinner than a DISHONEST lying saint in the end.

God will save according to whats on the heart..ACCORDING to the bible..JESUS own words..yep..he SAID it...

Something about sheep and goats...one lot GAVE a toss about others...and another lot DID NOT..

It said NOTHING about "Did you say a prayer and accept Jesus into you heart"..THAT rubbish aint even IN the Bible..id LOVE to know where they got the "Sinners prayer" GARBAGE from..cause it just aint IN there.

NO..from what JESUS himself actually SAID...its sheep..or its GOATS..right?..and WHAT was the DIFFERENCE between these sheep and goats??

ON the surface..NO difference..BOTH lots claimed "Salvation"....and BOTH used his name..and did miracles..and this and that IN Jesus name..

..so WHY were ONE lot sheep..and the OTHER lot GOATS?????

BECAUSE..ONE lot was UNSELFISH..CARING..VISITED POOR DUDES IN PRISON..CLOTHED THE NAKED...GAVE TO THE POOR AND NEEDY..AND ASKED NOTHING IN RETURN..they were HUMBLE..and POLITE and full of LOVE.

The GOATS..SAID all the "RIGHT" words...they SPOKE the LINGO..but they just DID NOT GIVE a FLYING @&^$ about ANYONE but themselves. They spent their time debating and arguing or do any GOOD for anyone..they just DID NOT CARE about ANYone but THEMSELVES...

And if these goats DID do something..cause they all said something like "But Lord..we did many miracles in your name..and cast out demons and stuff..AD NAUSEUM.."

They did it FOR SELFISH GAIN..to be NOTICED....or to make LOTS OF MONEY from MOVIES and BOOKS and NEW AGE GARBAGE like the "LEFT BEHIND" series which made MILLIONS..while the poor and the needy STARVED AND DIED!..they have ZERO Love..ZERO humility..and STUFF ALL COURAGE...they IGNORE the POOR..live in multi million dollar MANSIONS.


While SO many are STARVING..NEW AGE WOLVES like COPELAND and HINN and DUPLANTIS and that DOLLAR viper..live like KINGS on the MONEY they BILKED AND CONNED out of the "NEW AGE SHEEP....who followed so BLINDLY that lakeland CRAP which was the EPITOME of UTTER HIPOCRISY...

What does Jesus say to these NEW AGE "BELIEVERS" EH???

DEPART from me ye WORKERS of utter GARBAGE AND LIES....cause I NEVER KNEW YOU...

Jesus said something about VOMITING these greedy self serving creatures out of his mouth.

Week after week you turn up..hand over all your money for new seats and screens and better air con..while the poor and the hungry just down the road STARVE!!!

While the fat assed pastor..fat gutted and lazy..preaches about FASTING??...and MORE money..and MORE money..for the never ending BUILDING program that all churches seem to have.

STUFF the poor..WHO CARES about the needy..and TOUGH LUCK for the people of the world..cause they are all gonna BURN right??

ALL YOU have to do is keep turning up with wallet OPEN..and BRAIN disengaged..to feed the never ending circle of NEW AGE EASY LISTENING FLESH PLEASING GARBAGE..GIVE to get...get PISSED on the holy spirit..ALWAYS about FEELING GOOD..SELF SELF SELF..always thinking of your SELF!!!

This lot ONLY care about what THEY can get..they dont give a flying *#$% about the hurting,,the needy...the downtrodden..they FLY IN THE FACE OF EVERYTHING JESUS EVER TAUGHT!!!

IN the name of MONEY!!!

MONEY and FEELINGS is their GOD!!!!

"BUt but..we give money to the poor"....they might say..

WHAT OF IT??

They DO it ONLY to win a few more BROWNIE POINTS...they DONT do it cause you really CARE!!!!..they do it ONLY so they have a better chance of being raptured..or getting some reward..or feeling better..or being blessed more..

THEY JUST DONT CARE!!!...and when they DO..its all a NEW AGE FEEL GOOD "BLESS ME BLESS ME" SHOW!!

They have turned the TRUTH into a way to FEEL GOOD..ESCAPE DOOM..and MAKE MONEY..and GET BLESSED!!!

THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING EXCEPT what THEY WANT to hear..and they KNOW ONLY WHAT THEY HEARD!!

They WILL ignore everything I am saying now FOR THIS REASON!!

They will READ this...and say "THATS NOT ME..I DONT DO THAT!!

Well...every time they walk into a church and open their wallets up..

THEY DO!!

THEY FEED THE MACHINE..the money making machine..IDOLATRY!!!!

WHEN will these new age easy road zero suffering fat lazy so called christians realise its NOT A GAME!!!

ITS NOT a "BLESS ME FEEL GOOD CLUB"

But thats how its TREATED.

I went to these churches,, ..for the last 40 years..ive seen em all slide into utter hypocrisy..thinking they are OH so HOLY..and going to heaven.

WHAT JOKE its become...

And they will ALWAYS EXCUSE this with..

"WE ARE NOT PERFECT..JUST FORGIVEN"

WHAT a lot of GARBAGE,,a SELF justifying concience excusing load of UTTER CRAP!!

Jesus had something to say about this shit..here..ill spell it out in todays lingo..to fit todays circumstances.

MATTHEW 23
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.


Yeah..this lot LOVES to preach a whole lot of HIPOCRITICAL CONDEMING SOUL TEARING MIND NUMBING CRAP which turns people AWAY from the TRUE way...with smooth deceptive words and well worded sermons designed to feed their WALLETS..and make MILLIONS from the endless LIES of TWISTED SCRIPTURE(The left behind movies and books)....

WHY wont they do what he SAYS?..They wont enter in THEMSELVES..and by their UTTERLY ABOMINABLE BEHAVIOUR AND EXAMPLE...no one ELSE wants to either because they LOOK at these pathetic easy living cowardly liars and think..RIGHTLY SO..that CHRISTIANS are NOTHING BUT A PACK OF ARGUING SELF CENTERED GREEDY ADULTEROUS LYING HYPOCRITES


14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Yeah..they just LOVE the OH SO HOLY prayers..babbling away in tongues and blaspheming the holy spirit with their UTTER ABOMINATIONS (Getting DRUNK on the holy spirit)..THIS according to THE BIBLE is what they do..USING something HOLY to make MONEY..is BLASHEMY..and using the holy spirit to promote your MONEY MAKING LIES is BLASPHEMY against the HOLY SPIRIT...ACCORDING to THEIR OWN BIBLE...they DO feed on widows houses..they rake in offerings year after year..from old widows who are too weak to resist the SNARES you set..SHAME on them...these pathetic LIFE destroying VIPERS!!

But wait,,,there is MORE.....

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Yeah..they do this too..seeking ever more victims...who start out as ordinary people...they prey on their fear..their terror..with stories of DOOM and HELLFIRE..you convert them..and then turn THEM TOO..into the SAME brand of UTTER HIPOCRITES AS THEM!!!

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Yeah,,they LOVE to rake ya tithes in dont they??..they ONLY pay it to get BLESSED..its all based on GREED and SELFISHNESS.IF they really GAVE a toss about anyone but themselves..they would GIVE that money to the POOR and the HUNGRY..BUT NO..they give it to these SWINDLERS to put new STAGES and SCREENS in their churches..to buy in the latest christian ROCK BAND..so they can ACT just like the WORLD they always CONDEMN....


BUT the list of their SHAME goes ON..(I could write a BOOK on their long trail of HIPOCRISY..)

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Yeah..they LOVE to turn up to church..all spiffy looking..all smiles...but within its all pure HELL..as they battle with the FACADE..hoping the REAL human they are deep inside does not SHOW..as they battle with LUST and ANGER..and HATE..and all the while jealousy and envy grows..and greed..and slander....while church after church falls apart as minister after minister is caught YET again with their cock frimly planted in the vagina of a woman who is NOT THEIRS...HINN..SWAGGART..all of em..BENTLY..what a total FARCE you vipers are...and you know what????ONE common DENOMINATOR among all of these CHARLATANS???.....MONEY MONEY GREED AND MORE MONEY..and ADULTERY

BUT the list goes ON.....

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

They look all clean..but inside they are DIRTY LUSTFUL COWARDLY SELFISH VIPERS.

And THIS according to THE BIBLE..is WHAT Jesus is gonna DO to LIARS LIKE THEM....

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Let me break this down a bit so these heartless vipers can FINALLY understand it eh??


8 But the fearful,

(YEP..thats THE NEW AGE CHRISTIAN RAPTURE ADDICTS..always AFRAID and wanting to get OUTTA here while everyone else BURNS

and unbelieving,

(Yep..thats this lot TOO..cause if they actually BELIEVED the bible like they SAY they do..they would NOT be such a bunch of loveless lying hipocritical LIARS)

and the abominable,

(Yes..thats this lot too..their behaviour towards their brothers and the rest of the world is just ABOMINABLE!...an ABOMINATION!!

and murderers,

(HOW many widows have died in their homes..MURDERED by their lack of funds for more medicine because THEY conned them out of their money??..or told sick people to STOP taking their medicine because if they did NOT they lacked FATH and God would not heal them..PURE rubbish and LIES..they are WORSE than JWS refusing blood to dying children in need of a blood transfusion)

and whoremongers,

(Yep..how many of them secretly sleep around..or lust after women or men in their heart?..whoreing after flesh or money..or gain..THIS is what it means..a deep endless lusting to GRATIFY THEMSELVES)

and sorcerers,

(AHH yes..the MAIN one that the pastors of these illuminati NEW AGE CON artists love..sorcery..beguiling with words..using the "Anointing" like a drug..when its ALL just a manufactured atmosphere brought about to BEWITCH and SWINDLE..and THIS is what it means)

and idolaters,

(Idolatry..the modern churches FAVOURITE passtime..they worship WORSHIP..and FEELINGS..and PEOPLE..and MONEY..and BOOKS..and MOVIES..seems they idolise ANYTHING..but GOD..what a bunchh of UTTER AND TOTAL LIARS)

and all liars,shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

SELF explainatory is it NOT?)

8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Need I say more???
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ABSOLUTLEY FUCKING NAILED IT BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Again no goddamn wonder the godless hate us.
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Absolutely. How can non-christians want a damn thing we have to offer? We don't have any genuinely Good News - just a grim ultimatum. And maybe a Starbucks in the foyer.
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nothing more christian than long robes, rituals and Mary.... pssh Catholics.
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It's a majority of conservative-right, who don't realize that "Big Government" is synonymous with "Big Corporations." This thinking of believing that the government is an entity unto itself will continue to divide conservatives and liberals, who will not open their eyes.

The lower classes are being manipulated by ideological proxy wars, due to their own blind stupidity. The lower classes should find what they have in coming and select a politician that will follow through on their issues as best as possible. Or both sides could continue their own pipe dreams of believing that one side will gain an advantage over the other side and their dreams will all become reality. That's not going to happen, if both sides are divided by no common ground.
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It's a majority of conservative-right, who don't realize that "Big Government" is synonymous with "Big Corporations." This thinking of believing that the government is an entity unto itself will continue to divide conservatives and liberals, who will not open their eyes.

The lower classes are being manipulated by ideological proxy wars, due to their own blind stupidity. The lower classes should find what they have in coming and select a politician that will follow through on their issues as best as possible. Or both sides could continue their own pipe dreams of believing that one side will gain an advantage over the other side and their dreams will all become reality. That's not going to happen, if both sides are divided by no common ground.
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Politics is the religion of man's ego, the belief he knows what is best instead of being led by the Spirit (or lying about being "Christian").
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If a church has 501(c)3 status, it is a corporation.

A "church" is automatically exempt from taxation according to I.R.S. code.

So why are all churches today non-profit corporations?

Simple. It's all about the money. Period.
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The Urantia book is a result of one of the Kellogg brothers... It was all supernaturally channeled... It has the allure of truth because of some scientific matters that were not comprehended at the time.. Like plate tectonics. However.. The fact remains that the book was channeled.. It is demonic. Jesus did NOT die by accident... There are not multiple worlds where "Jesus's" are sent... Urantians are some of the most arrogant lost fucks I have ever met.
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indeed

yet will they be stopped in their tracks

in their very midst

as Death is swallowed up in Victory, YET AND AGAIN

by that true Virgin Church which will comprise the root and branch of the New Jerusalem yet to come

which will indeed "come down" from Above

and with it will the incoming Light overwhelm and overpower all that of darkness remains

selah
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If a church has 501(c)3 status, it is a corporation.

A "church" is automatically exempt from taxation according to I.R.S. code.

So why are all churches today non-profit corporations?

Simple. It's all about the money. Period.
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Churches never had to pay taxes. Then Senator LBJ and his buddies talked churches into accepting this stupidity because it would allow the church-goers a tax discount for donating. Everyone likes to see the 1950s as a good time, but the seeds of destruction were laid during the complacency of that period.
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christ is fiction

the discovery of this fact is why your church is dead
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christ is fiction

the discovery of this fact is why your church is dead
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The church will come back and be stronger if it stands up against homosexuality
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christ is fiction

the discovery of this fact is why your church is dead
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The church will come back and be stronger if it stands up against homosexuality
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It cant.

Its too busy singing happy songs...getting fatter and richer..and condemning everyone else to hell while they party on using God as some sort of invesment policy.

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